CNN: Perry 28, Romney 21
A lot of people are writing Perry off after his awful performance in the Florida debate, but this poll was taken AFTER the disastrous debate.
Perry is not a good debater. He is no match for his rivals, who know federal issues better than he does, and are much better at the tactics of debate. But the debate portion of the campaign is going to come to an end at some point, not too far distant, and when that happens, the focus will shift to meet-and-greets in Iowa and New Hampshire and other swing states. Perry is much better at connecting with people than Romney is. We can all make sport of Perry, but he is still in great position to win the nomination. Connecting with people is his specialty. Romney lacks the common touch.
Tagged: CNN poll, mitt romney, republican presidential primary, rick perry
Red says:
If he makes it that far. There are what, 3 more debates? Three more disastrous performances and the money will dry up. His bundlers can’t shoulder it all, and Mitt Romney can just cut himself a check any time he needs.
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Reminder says:
Perry will connect one on one in the states. If he can keep up with the states out on the campaign- he wins. If his organization can’t keep up- then he will have a problem. Despite stories of his demise- he is still way up!
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Robert Morrow says:
Admitting that anything can happen in politics and that fortunes can change rapidly, having qualified that: Rick Perry’s presidential campaign is over.
Perry has committed a FATAL mistake. He has disqualified himself in the minds of many critical GOP opinion makers and big time donors. Simply put, after Perry’s weird, disjointed, blathering performance on Thursday, they think the man is a moron with marbles rolling about in his head. And only a head 1/2 full of marbles at that – just kinda sloshing around.
Aside from the fact, they (like Karl Rove has been preaching) now think this nitwit – they literally think Perry is a nitwit- could explode in spectacular fashion over the key swing states of Florida, Ohio, Colorado, Wisconsin, New Mexico, Nevada, etc. More importantly, they can’t see the man as rational enough to have his fingers on the nuclear button.
Those CNN polls mean almost nothing. The GOP opinion makers and big donors were jolted with some heavy voltage re: Perry in the past 3 debates, especially on Thursday. Those are the ones who will be actually shaping those “CNN polls” or “Rasmussen polls” in the future. And they are not going to give dumber than dirt Perry any money or opinion maker love to allow him to get traction any more. That well has gone as dry as a nun’s ….
So go to Intrade and watch how the real political fortunes are performing and Perry stock is quite cheap and I think still quite over priced.
Exhibit 1: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64295.html
Perry’s bomb on Thursday, combined with his political and personal baggage is enough to knock him out of the race in 2 months. Low blood sugar as an excuse for Thursday? The man looked like he was on drugs. Or not on drugs, when he should have been on drugs. Or severely mentally handicapped. Perry was like one of Nurse Ratched’s patients in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. “Chief” after he was lobotomized comes to mind.
I think psychological issues are weighing heavily on Rick’s mind. I think he fears hugely embarrassing personal destruction, not just permanent political destruction. Political narcissists like Perry conflate the 2 things.
Eventually an article delving deeply into Perry’s so-called personal life is going to drop like an anvil on his head. And that is not going to be fun. Perry & his campaign knows it’s coming; and not being able to do a darn thing about it must be excruciating. No telling what is going to be belched up. Good God, I know so much about Perry’s life and I am not a reporter or professional investigater. And now Larry Flynt, experienced at cutting out politician’s innards with a carving knife, is in the game.
Obama attacked Perry today. And he did that because he is desperately trying to prop up an easy kill in the general election. Obama wants to engage Perry to allow Perry to engage HIM, to somehow if O is lucky, to somehow help Perry.
I’m convinced Perry is acting spacey because he is worried about the personal stuff. Perry did NOT want to run this race, but the donors & groupies just HAD to drag him in. In any event, blockbuster story or not, the rumors on Perry’s so-called personal life are going to be running like a wildfire through Iowa and New Hampshire and that will definitely drag his campaign down.
I predict that these so-called *rumors* about Perry will be raging at such a level by January (if he is still in the race) that the MSM will
forced into covering them. They cannot be contained and there are too many campaigns with vested interests to spread them: Bachmann, Santorum, Paul, Romney.
So Bachmann will beat Perry in Iowa. (If he is even in the race then. Probably not.)
Romney and Paul and maybe Huntsman will beat him in New Hampshire. And hilariously Romney will beat Perry in South Carolina. And the rest will not matter.
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Alan Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
“I am not a reporter or professional investigater (sic).”
That doesn’t stop you from posting a whole article’s worth of your ramblings on this blog nonstop, not counting whatever Paul deems unfit to print.
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Credentials Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
God, no kidding, Alan. Amen to that.
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John Johnson says:
Paul, I keep waiting on someone to dispute my charge that independents and moderates are never going to vote for Perry, and without those votes he is never going to win. You, obviously feel differently about it, so wish you would explain how you think this is going to happen.
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Robert Morrow Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 12:31 am
Independents and moderates are never going to vote for Perry. Perry is radioactive to them. The neocons and theocons – that is Perry – are the 2 most toxic political groups in American politics. I would vote for Obama over Perry in a 2 man race.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Even after 40 years as a Republican I too would vote for Obama over Perry. Idealogues that barely graduated from a cow college, disrespect science and the environment and spout religious nonsense are toxic to anyone educated or sensible. We need the middle, now more than ever.
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joe blow says:
I am amazed that you are considered a serious journalist. Paul, the “debate portion” does not end. If you recall the 2008 contest, the candidates debated throughout the primary season–in the case of the dems, right through the March primaries in Texas and Ohio. Given the likelihood that this race will be remain closely contested, Perry will be bumbling along in debates long after the initial voting begins. Moreover, his retail strenths have been oversold. Yes, he’s skilled on hay stacks in Iowa, but his down home schtick is not translating into support in New Hampshire where he lags Romney by double digits. And, on super Tuesday and in larger primary states, the race will be largely decided based on organization, money, (think TV)and momentum from earlier contests, not back-slapping. Perry is poised to do well in Iowa, but we know how unreliable a predictor that state is in determining the nominee. Moreover, your focus on national polls is misplaced at this stage of the game. Again, 2008 is instructive. Clinton dominated the national polls even after losing in Iowa. On the eve of the Iowa caucus, when polls were obviously tightening in Iowa, she continued to maintain a double digit lead over Obama in national polls. Likewise, in the current GOP race, the polling in individual states shows a much closer race, with Romney leading in NH and gaining ground on Perry in other early states. In other words, Perry is starting to flat-line, if not lose ground. What’s ominous for Perry is that he has peaked early and is poised to come down even more as attacks on his candidacy escalate and scrutiny of his record intensifies. I swear you have this twisted, man-crush, defensive attachment to Perry. You obviously don’t think much of him intellectually or as a leader but you marvel at his overrated political skills like some squealing school girl and want to see him succeed just to vindicate your so-called analysis. Or maybe its a protective Texan thing–yeah Perry is a bumbling joke, but he’s our bumbling joke.
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Robert Morrow says:
The people investigating Perry have gone far beyond this from 2004: http://www.opednews.com/thoreau022704_texas_governor.htm
Things that were hazy or not understood 5 years ago or even 2 years ago are much clearer now. People are talking; it’s just a matter of how many of them are willing to go on the record.
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donuthin says:
Kinda interesting perspective. Most in Texas seemed to hold their nose when voting for him. Rarely find anyone who think of him as a friend. Many compare Perry with GWB, implying that they are much the same and if Bush could be elected with poor debate performance, so can Perry. I see one fundamental difference. Most seemed to instinctively like Bush, but not the case with Perry.
At least as Governor, Bush was much more of a statesman than Perry is. Bush’s worked hard on relationships, even with conservative D’s like Laney and Bullock. Perry, it seems, from the start, set out to alienate anyone who was not a Republican. Maybe it was because he had that luxury since the Republican party had become so dominant.
Some do it with good looks and charm. Perry will have to do it with good looks alone.
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anita Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
More importantly, GWB had a name and a brand. I didn’t support him, but I knew that if things got a bit too extreme, his father would lean on him to do the right thing. Not so with Perry.
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Dave says:
This poll was not limited to registered voters, much less primary voters, so I wouldn’t read too much into these results without another poll confirming.
I was surprised that Perry didn’t drop off by much, but also that Palin’s support was cut in half in the same time period. I thought that she might tick up on the Rick’s weakness, but no. Gingrich is the only one to have a significant uptick, so maybe he’s cutting into her bomb-thrower vote.
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Mr. Smith says:
To the question whether moderates and independents will vote for Perry, the answer is no. Perry performed far worse than the rest of the Republican ticket statewide, and especially in swing ditrics, where he ran about seven points lower than the average Republican. But in a primary, where independents and moderates don’t vote, or at least not in substantial numbers, Perry does well. As is shown in every poll so far. Paul is right, Perry is well positioned to win the nomination. Then, in the general, all of these supposed liabilities, like HPV and immigration, evaporate. He just pounds Obama on jobs, jobs, jobs, and moderates and independents hold their noses, and vote for who they think is the lesser of two evils. It’ll be closer than it should be, but Perry wins the general unless the economy really picks up, which it hasn’t shown signs of doing so far.
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Blue Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 10:19 am
My assessment exactly, should he win the nomination. I’m a persuadable moderate who reluctantly voted for Obama and who is just itching to vote for ANYONE beside him right now. (Except Palin.)
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Jed Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
your persuadability apparently extends to persuading yourself that you are a moderate, if this is your stance.
obama is a moderate. based on your past posts, you are to the right of nixon.
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
“obama is a moderate”
Obama had the highest liberal vote rating of all democrats including socialist Bernie Sanders, when he was in the US Senate. When did he become a moderate?
Anonymous Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
don’t you get tired of lying constantly? perhaps that’s why you still live in your mom’s basement with only your right hand as your BFF. I’d ask for a link but don’t bother. I don’t want to see pictures of your colonoscopy.
Blue Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
I voted for Bush I, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Bush 2, and Obama.
That’s “right of Nixon”?
JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 6:17 am
“The political magazine National Journal rated Obama the most liberal senator for 2007″
Liberals hide behind anonymous because they lie, are so uninformed they appear to be stupid, however some are just stupid.
Jed Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
it isn’t necessarily to his left, blue.
Anonymous Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Moderates and independents will turn out in droves for primary voting if they think that Perry will win if they don’t.
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Blue Dogs Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Mr. Smith, if Dewhurst wins KBH’s Senate seat (more likely) and Perry wins the White House, who would pick their successors as Governor and Lieutenant Governor ?
You know Abbott is plotting for 2014 to move into the Governor’s Mansion.
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JohnBernardBooks says:
Conservatives will have so much motivating them, with one huge motivator being Justice Kagan ignoring the US Constitution and voting for Obamacare right before the election.
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The House is Not a Home Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Anonymous @ 1:32, JBB is right. In 2007, the National Journal (very respected magazine that publishes partisan ranking of each Member of Congress each year) ranked Obama as the most liberal Senator. Why don’t you do your homework before you start deciding who is lying and who isn’t, jackass.
Oh, and read National Journal, you might learn something.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Read something beside rush limpdick’s talking points and you might learn something.
One analysis by one publication, the National Journal, using votes from one year ranked Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama as the most liberal senator in Washington.
And Republicans have been repeating this ranking as fact ever since.
The American Conservative Union, however, ranks Obama as the 16th most liberal senator in its lifetime rankings.
Obama is the 27th most liberal senator according to Progressive Punch’s analysis of his Washington career voting record (and a mushy-moderate 45th when the chips were down). VoteView ranks him 11th. Americans for Democratic Action gave Obama a 75 percent score in 2007 (putting him in a four-way tie for 42nd most liberal senator) and a 95 percent score in 2006 (putting him in an eight-way tie for 13th place).
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The House is Not a Home Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
I actually read the National Journal, not the stuff ACU puts out, because its true.
How do you know so much abut Rush’s privates? Do they spend a lot of time in your mouth?
Anonymous Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Try to learn something about your hero.
Limbaugh was detained for more than three hours Monday at the airport after returning from a vacation in the Dominican Republic. Customs officials found the Viagra in his luggage but his name was not on the prescription, said Paul Miller, a spokesman for the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office.
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The House is Not a Home Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
Who is who’s hero?
Credentials Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
The level of discourse you bring to this conversation is truly staggering, House, but aside from your ridiculously juvenile comments about Rush’s genitals being in someone’s mouth (stay classy, dude!) here’s the original question:
When did Obama become a moderate?
Here’s an answer: WHEN HE GOT TO THE WHITE HOUSE. Or haven’t you and your foul-mouthed cronies been listening to a) your own party and b) the other side for the past four years?
And I don’t even know what your own party is. I just know that both sides have acknowledged that he’s disappointed the “professional left” since he got there. His Senate votes are ancient history.
Or do you regularly use five-year-old information to back up your arguments?
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1776 says:
Perry favors in-state tuition for illegals, while legals can’t afford to send their own kids to college?
And anyone who opposes this notion “doesn’t have a heart,” according to Perry?
In the GOP Primary, this is a lethal, heat-seeking missile. Stick a fork in him. Tis why Dewhurst rapidly came out as being against in-state tuition for illegals, which is laughable given that Dewhurst is the sitting Lt Gov and had plenty of opportunities to push a repeal thru the Senate and didn’t lift a finger on the issue.
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Perry locked up the illegal vote with his stance, thats gotta hurt huh dems?
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Kenneth D. Franks Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
There is no illegal vote that I am aware of despite your comment. There will be voter suppression however due to the new Texas picture I.D. Law.
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 6:31 am
yes there is no vote harvesting in south Texas. Pay no attn to the trials.
Credentials Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
In case House doesn’t check back, JBB, this is for you:
Getting back to your original question:
When did Obama become a moderate?
Here’s an answer: WHEN HE GOT TO THE WHITE HOUSE. Or haven’t you been listening to a) your own party and b) the other side for the past four years?
And I don’t even know what your own party is. I just know that both sides have acknowledged that he’s disappointed the “professional left” since he got there. His Senate votes are ancient history.
Or do you regularly use five-year-old information to back up your arguments?
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Anonymous Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 11:37 am
so what are you upset about? that “illegals” CAN afford to send their kids to college? (remember they have to pay in-state rates, they don’t go for free), or that “legals” can’t afford to send their kids to college. Which means they are part of the Texas Miracle and are working a minimum wage job?? Or that you just want someone below you on the shit pile and if a person gets a college education that’s one less body underneath you???
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 11:50 am
“Or that you just want someone below you on the shit pile”
hard to argue with such a well thought out sound argument.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
no one is asking you shit for brains. go back to eating cheesy poofs and beating your meat.
JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
“no one is asking you shit for brains”
another well thought out “moderate” comment
Jesus Wordsworth says:
Perry getting the nomination = another four years of Obama = appointing China as financial conservator of the USA
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Vernon says:
From what I’ve seen, the media is now enjoying the story of Perry being written off or falling out of favor with the primary voters (despite Perry’s polling numbers to the contrary). That media focus will have some effect on primary voters. When even Fox News airs negative stories, negative comments and negative pundits against Perry; that message will sink in to some degree. But I don’t know how much that will effect who wins the primary.
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Vernon says:
I’m more fascinated by the Republican voters’ attitude toward Romney through all of this back and forth, love/hate affair with the other candidates. They’ve courted these substantial (but flashy) candidates and build them up; Thompson, Giuliani, Palin, Perry. But when they aren’t absolutely perfect, they quickly move on to another who might be. Yet they can’t bring themselves to abandon Romney. I think it’s because they know he’s they’re best bet if their shooting stars burn out…so to speak.
It’s a lot like a typical 80′s, teen movie. The sweet girl who runs the math and science club asks her long-time friend and neighbor to the big dance. But he’s dead set on taking a cheerleader to bolster his popularity. Rejection after rejection, failed scheme after another; he soon realizes that his cute neighbor (the one who never left his side through the whole ridiculous ordeal) is truly the one he should take. They go to the dance, find One-Eyed Willy’s treasure, and make out in a Camero. Roll credits over a Huey Lewis and the News song.
I think the primary electorate wants Romney deep down, but they just have to get the whole cheerleader thing out of their system first. No pun intended.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 11:38 am
I’m sure you meant yell leader.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Huh? I love you right wing constitutional scholars! So much to learn from you! Consevatives, for the most part are tools and sheep, doing things as told. Intellect ain’t a hallmark….
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Anonymous Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Yell leader is cheerleader. Aggies have these odd proclivities…and ugly women.
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Robert Morrow says:
Hey, is there a debate coming up soon? Those things are fun! I think the next one is Oct. 11th …
My favorite part in the last one is well described by Eugene Robinson:
“Perry got off to what his supporters consider a strong start, which means he spoke in complete sentences. After the first hour, however, he began to slip into gibberish — as when he said his program for controlling the border with Mexico without building a fence includes putting “the aviation assets on the ground,” and when he described the nation between Afghanistan and India as “the Pakistani country.”
Then he wound up for his big attack on Mitt Romney as a flip-flopper. This is what came out:
“I think Americans just don’t know sometimes which Mitt Romney they’re dealing with. Is it the Mitt Romney that was on the side of — against the Second Amendment before he was for the Second Amendment? Was it — was before — he was before the social programs from the standpoint of — he was for standing up for Roe versus Wade before he was against Roe versus Wade? Him — he was for Race to the Top. He’s for Obamacare and now he’s against it. I mean, we’ll wait until tomorrow and — and — and see which Mitt Romney we’re really talking to tonight.”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/09/27/nothing_but_dogs_in_this_hunt_111484.html
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AreYouKiddingMe says:
The only polls that matter are state by state polls that predict who actual primary voters would vote for. You would have to poll Republican primary voters in each state and give them the full field of candidates. These push poll numbers mean nothing nor does a national poll of far right wing Republicans. The tea partiers and right wing wackos are always going to poll for the most extreme candidates. They are also the one’s booing soldiers and yelling out “let him die” regarding a person with no insurance… That’s what these early polls mean; absolutely nothing.
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Anonymous says:
People in this country are idiots. No one cares what Perry says in the debates or what he has done as Governor. He will be the Republican nominee and he will beat Obama.
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donuthin Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
If he gets the nomination, that is proof positive that we are idiots.
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Crazy Uncle Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
No.Carter and Obama has already done that.
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Blue Dogs Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Anon, if Obama CHOKES to Romney (my personal pick) or Perry, you know the Dems will try to get Cuomo to run in 2016.
I don’t see Hillary running in ’16 if Obama loses because folks inside the Democratic Party are kinda getting tired of the Clintons.
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John Johnson says:
This is the 2nd time I’ve posted this. Didn’t get response from Paul, so maybe one of you others who are continuing to say that Perry will be the Repub’s choice might enlighten me.
“Paul, I keep waiting on someone to dispute my charge that independents and moderates are never going to vote for Perry, and without those votes he is never going to win. You, obviously feel differently about it, so wish you would explain how you think this is going to happen”.
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Robert Morrow Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Another key point, with no contested Democratic race, a lot of independents will be voting in the New Hampshire GOP primary. And they LOVE Ron Paul and HATE Rick Perry.
Question: has Rick Perry officially withdrawn from the POTUS race? Because his campaign is dead with nothing but post mortem twitching going on.
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Reminder Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Maybe Robert, you should start your own blog.
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AreYouKiddingMe says:
Independents and moderates will never vote for Perry. Nor will they vote for Paul or Bachman. No chance, and no matter how many times you say it, doesn’t change that fact (that is an old Perry tactic). Romney will do much better with these groups. He comes off as a normal guy who is likeable. I even liked the New Mexico guy. He doesn’t have a chance, either, but I liked him.
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Kenneth D. Franks says:
Perry winning the nomination would mean four more years for Obama. He is probably the preferred candidate for Republicans for most Democrats.
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Jim says:
Connecting with people is Perry’s strength? Admittedly, I’ve only seen one debate, but I find this hard to believe. He comes across as arrogant, dumb, and over-coached. Romney, on the other hand, comes across as smart, funny and pleasant. I know Romney is the perfect politician and quite slippery, but all the same when it comes to working a room my money would be on Romney way before Perry. If Perry were judged purely on the debates thus far, rather than being crowned the GOP front-runner for unknown reasons, he’d be behind Bachmann and Santorum.
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ellie says:
Let’s say that Perry makes it through the GOP debates, by some miracle. Yes, he can meet-n-greet with the best of them, turning on the good ole boy charm. But, he will get whipped like a puppy that didn’t go on the paper if he has to debate Obama. I think Perry’s lazy. Too much came too easily to him in Texas and he has coasted this far with little preparation. I don’t see that changing.
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Crazy Uncle says:
Looks like Morrow is off his Meds again.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
The complete lack of self awareness among the wingnuterati is truely astonishing.
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Robert Morrow says:
I’m having a *great* week. How’s YOUR week going, Perrybot?
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Anonymous says:
Paul is right. The Perry camp is not responding to charges that Perry has no chance because he will never get any of the moderates and independents it will take to win. Don’t they know that the TeaParty crowd is truly just a small faction when compared to the moderate/independent numbers who will be electing the Republican candidate? Even Paul won’t respond and answer why he is still showing Perry as a possible winner.
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The House is Not a Home says:
Are independents and moderates going to vote for Obama after four years of his bullshit?
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donuthin Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Those who watch Perry objectively will certainly vote for Obama if is should come to that. Hopefully not.
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Robert Morrow says:
Perrybot hack Douglas MacKinnon chimes in on the *real* conservative he supports Slick Perry. Doug MacKinnon used to be a press secretary for that grassroots conservative legend and electoral powerhouse Blob Dough. MacKinnon is here to help us pick some winners:
http://www.investors.com/newsandanalysis/article/586006/201109261423/Conservatives-Mustnt-Let-Media-Pick-The-Candidate.aspx?ven=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EditorialRss+%28Editorial+RSS%29
The funny thing is there really isn’t much difference between Mitt Romney and Rick Perry, except that one went to Harvard and the other is mentally retarded.
After Perry drops out, Ron Paul is #2. Now THERE is your *real* conservative, also known as a classical liberal. Think Thomas Jefferson.
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anon-p says:
I was actually pleased to hear the governor mention a closer relationship with India as an antidote to Pakistan problems. Even though he didn’t really answer the 3 am question.
The 3 am imminent threat question was bogus anyway. Only Ron Paul would have said something unusual in response, and I’m not even sure he would have deviated from the standard “bomb stuff until the immediate threat is neutralized” response.
The in-state tuition business for illegals is kind of a red herring anyway and more of a talking point. Having worked at UTexas (Austin), my observation was that only chumps pay the out-of-state rate. There were so many loopholes exploited to “earn” in state tuition rates that the out of state rates might as well not have existed. I suspect an audit of the university’s financials would reveal the same.
I find it highly amusing that Mitt Romney can cast himself as to the sympathetic to the right of Rick Perry.
With respect to Social Security, it is more akin to a Ponzi scheme than it isn’t, and I think the governor has plenty of fertile ground to exploit.
The funny thing is, Perry doesn’t need to have anything concrete. All he has to do is point out the “fixes” Social Security has had, the fact that it’s still not fixed, the current tax rate of 12.4%, its insufficiency, and how a private investment alternative could be a huge economic boon while also confining the federal budget writers to living more within their means. The debate lines almost write themselves:
“Historically, reforming Social Security has meant reducing benefits and raising the tax rate. Social Security began with a 2% payroll rax rate, and it is now at 12.4% and still underfunded. It fools federal budget writers into thinking they have extra money when they do not, thus leading to myths such as the Clinton surplus and present day realities such as the Standard and Poors downgrade. Transitioning to a private investment scheme could be a huge economic boon by moving money out of federal debt and into businesses, and as President, I will seriously entertain any reasonable plan to replace Social Security with a better alternative while proposing a few ideas of my own.”
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anon-p says:
If only the Presidency could be won by having a good showing at debates… I think that’s a pleasant media fiction begun in 1960 with the Nixon/JFK televised debates. The media likes to feel they’re the most important part of the political process, what with all that fourth estate talk, and this is one of their pet projects.
While I thought Perry would have been better coached for the debates, he still has a long way to fall.
A poor showing in the subsequent debates merely means he’ll have to fight for the nomination. Better debate performances and an approximate replication of his historical campaign success will mean a fairly trouble free path to the nomination, barring a deus ex machina.
It still feels like a concerted effort is being made to knock out Perry early, and I think it’s a miscalculated waste of ammo by the anti-Perry forces.
I think Michael Tomasky’s “Daily Beast” take on it is right -
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At least Mr. Tomasky’s willing to admit he’s a liberal but can see the other point of view:
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anon-p Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
My quotes didn’t quite work out:
From http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/23/romney-unacceptable-to-conservatives-time-to-buy-rick-perry-stock.html :
“On the other hand, Perry strikes me as more likely to pass—among Republicans—the old “do I want this man in my living room for the next four years?” test than Romney is. Who can possibly really like Romney? He’s like your boss, or the regional supervisor who comes by the office a few times a year. You tolerate him and suck up to him, but the experience is completely phony and awkward.”
“Perry? Well, I find him repugnant, of course, but I’m an East Coast liberal. I’m trying to look at this through others’ eyes. And I think he’s the kind of person Southerners in particular but conservatives everywhere, except maybe in the Northeast, can take a shine to. At least he seems to have some shards of personality.”
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Robert Morrow Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 12:30 am
A few quick points. In fact, there IS a concerted effort to knock Perry out of the race early. It is a circular GOP firing squad with Perry in the middle, and instead of defending himself he is committing suicide.
Also, the media elites really are out “to get” Perry. It is fun to watch. This is despite liberals like Tomasky and Chris Matthews, Bob Shrum hoping and praying Rick Perry is the GOP nominee.
As for debates, they do matter if significant things happen in them, and according to Frank Lutz and many professional political observers what they say Thursday was one of the most significant things they have see in 15 years.
And lastly, Tomasky is yet another clueless liberal, a la James Moore, that has no idea of what happens inside GOP primary politics.
Strangely enough Brent Budowsky has been almost clairvoyant on predicting what will happen and why. Budowsky early on detected Rick Perry as a gargantuan fraud, ripe for exposure.
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Anonymous says:
Paul’s right – the debates are overblown and rarely decide elections.
You don’t need a poll to determine the front-runner. He or she is the one that is getting attacked the most.
Why would an independent / moderate vote for Obama based on his record alone? What has he accomplished? Unemployment / economy / gas prices are worse than when he was elected. We’ve had nothing but excuses for 4 years. The only reason to vote for him is his personal likability, or maybe you think that no one can solve the problem.
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Reminder says:
Romney has been running for YEARS and even after Perry’s worst day, Romney is at 21 percent? He has too much John Edwards in him. If the Rs nominate Romney- we get four more years of hoping for change.
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John Johnson Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Hey, Reminder, Romney has been making money in the private sector for years. What many forget is how the winter olympic games in Utah were about to be a total disaster. The wheels had totally come off and Romney was asked to come in and put Humpty Dumpty back together again. He did it.
Ever hear about this? How old are you?
I still want Paul to answer my question.
“Paul, I keep waiting on someone to dispute my charge that independents and moderates are never going to vote for Perry, and without those votes he is never going to win. You, obviously feel differently about it, so wish you would explain how you think this is going to happen.”
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anon-p Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
JJ> “Paul, I keep waiting on someone to dispute my charge that independents and moderates are never going to vote for Perry, and without those votes he is never going to win. You, obviously feel differently about it, so wish you would explain how you think this is going to happen.”
In the general, the attacks from the right will be long gone. At that point, it will be all about jobs and the economy. With maybe some race warfare veiled as class warfare as a subtext by the President.
Independents and moderates will vote for Perry if unemployment is still high. Even more will be turned off by the class+race vitriol that Obama may bring, if the rumors are right.
Perry won’t necessarily carry independents and moderates, but he’ll carry enough to win with the heavy, motivated R turnout. I don’t think Obama’s ground troops will show in anywhere near the numbers they did in 2008.
Especially if the economy’s in the dumps and the President hasn’t at least tried something substantive by then.
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John Johnson Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 7:39 am
I not talking about the Presidential election. If Obama doesn’t pull a rabbit out of the hat, anyone running against him will win.
I’m talking about being nominated the Republican candidate. I’m saying that there is no way Perry is that person because moderates and independents are never going to cast a vote for him and he can’t win without them. If Romney get all these votes and not one TP vote, he wins.
Robert Morrow Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 12:31 am
Not only that Mitt Romney fixed the Big Dig fiasco in Boston, too. Or fixed it as much as it can be fixed.
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Blue Dogs Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Which explains why Romney didn’t have the balls to run for reelection in 2006 as Massachusetts Governor because Deval Patrick would have easily defeated him if the Mittster tried.
Blue Dogs Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Reminder, at least Romney was elected statewide in a Blue State as a GOPer in 2002, but his governorship was mixed.
On former US Senator John Edwards (D-NC): he bailed on the Senate after 1 term because he knew he couldn’t get reelected (the Senate seat had been cursed since 1986 until recently when Burr won re-election last year).
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Bill says:
As to the question about why moderates and independents would vote for Perry: well, that transformation has already begun. Perry will try to be all things to all people. He has already wooed the Tea Party crowd. Now he shows a hint that he’s a moderate! After all, could he really be all that conservative if he promotes in-state tuition for aliens and cancer vaccines?? Perry’s only fault is that he prematurely gave a glimpse of his general election persona and strategy.
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Reminder Reply:
September 27th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Interesting point. Interested to hear what John Johnson has to say-//
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John Johnson Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 7:46 am
Indepdendents, and I would think most moderates, are not for coddling and pacifying illegal immigrants, nor are they for cronyism. He can change his tune all he wants to, but he is branded with the words he had spoken at the first three debates, and they have not been aceepted well.
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Robert Morrow says:
This is an important post. Rick Perry’s campaign has ended. It is like Dead Man Walking. Or more likely a toe twitching in post mortem contractions.
And that is because the GOP elites look at Perry and are horrified at how empty his upper level tin can is. Frankly, even I am stunned at the man’s mental disability. I have been hearing about that for years in Texas, but I never knew just how grave it was. Wow! the people who have been pushing Perry on us for all these years ought to be ashamed of themselves. More so, for this latest farce.
The polls mean nothing because Perry will not have money to run a campaign soon. The 3rd fundraising numbers mean nothing because those are the last pennies Perry will ever get in this race. James Leineiger, Bob Perry and Harold Simmons are not going to be 3 businessmen funding a vanity suicide mission. Mike Toomey’s Super PAC will have no jam on the shelves.
The poll of the key opinion makers at the Huffington Post can be taken as the nation writ large. The opinion makers and donors have permanently discarded Perry. Period – end of story. Mentally retarded and finger on nuclear button are an oxymoron and they know it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/27/rick-perry-mitt-romney-polls-huffpost-patch-gop-power-outsiders_n_983659.html
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Blue Dogs Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Morrow, if Perry’s campaign is ending, then why is he still leading in the polls for the GOP nomination ?
I saw a poll that had Obama leading Perry by 5 points (it’s still EARLY) and Christie will NOT run for Prez, he’s likely waiting on 2016 and betting Perry or Romney choke big-time (ala Miami Heat).
Perry reminds me of the Miami Heat: arrogant and pissing folks off.
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Reminder Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
Are you mentally disabled? It’s not a nice thing/accusation to throw around. It is a serious illness. shame on you.
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JohnBernardBooks says:
Robert you have little if any credibility, quoting Huff Post doesn’t help you. They are as crazy as you are.
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institutionalized Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 7:37 am
BREAKING NEWS: Pot calls kettle black.
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Robert Morrow Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 11:06 am
The Huffington Post has a lot of truth over there. Don’t shoot the messenger; they were simply polling hundreds of REPUBLICAN opinion makers in the key early states, who would now rather slit their wrists than support Rick Perry.
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
There are many “republicans” who used to be democrats before the party left them. They have no where else to go. I can’t speak for them.
What I can say with 100% accuracy is Huff Post is simply more liberal bias.
“The Huffington Post has a lot of truth over there” you may want to put some more thought into that.
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Mr. Smith says:
Thank you institutionalized. I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if his Mom cut the crusts off his french toast this morning. He seems a bit cranky. Oh, I’m sorry JBB, I meant PATRIOT toast.
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 8:51 am
I love Prof Cippola’s Laws of Human Stupidity
This perfectly sums up America in 2011 “In a country which is moving downhill, the fraction of stupid people is still equal to σ; however in the remaining population one notices among those in power an alarming proliferation of the bandits with overtones of stupidity (sub-area B1 of quadrant B in figure 3) and among those not in power an equally alarming growth in the number of helpless individuals (area H in basic graph, fig.1). Such change in the composition of the non-stupid population inevitably strengthens the destructive power of the σ fraction and makes decline a certainty. And the country goes to Hell.”
“A stupid creature will harass you for no reason, for no advantage, without any plan or scheme and at the most improbable times and places. You have no rational way of telling if and when and how and why the stupid creature attacks. When confronted with a stupid individual you are completely at his mercy. Because the stupid person’s actions do not conform to the rules of rationality.
The democrat party now consists of bandits, the helpless and the stupid.
Thanks to liberals Cipolla’s laws have been proven
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Robert Morrow Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 11:08 am
I am a 3 time delegate to the Texas Republican convention 2006, 2008, 2010 and I assure you the Republican base/activists are every bit as stupid/corrupt as anything the Democrats have to offer.
The fact they would even *think* about nominating Rick Perry is prima facie evidence of this mental handicap.
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 11:42 am
Robert
You have a problem with authority. I can’t help you.
Anonymous Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 11:59 am
great description of Perry. First intelligent thing you’ve posted.
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Democrats like LBJ/the Clintons et al get “rich” doing public service. They never have a real job but they accumulate vast sums of wealth. Liberals admire these bandits/looters for their “special skills”.
Perry is a novice compared to these masters of looting.
Anonymous Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
man, you keep coming up with these perfect descriptions of Perry. I’m impressed.
being worse at something (looting) because you’re more stupid than your predecessors isn’t something to be proud of or brag about. If you weren’t so stupid you’d know that.
JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Your point has been acknowledged democrats make better looters. Republicans cannot compete.
Anonymous Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
It’s not for lack of trying, he’s just too stupid. Other repiglicans are doing just fine at sucking on the public teat and taking gobs of cash from “donors”.
JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
yes GE, and Solyndra or examples of republicans sucking on the publics teat…wait those are dems. is that what’s known as croney capitalism? Well I swaney….
JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
a perfect example of a dem’s view “if you aren’t stealing you’re too stupid.”
Could it be that dems just lack values?….nah noway!
Anonymous Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
couldn’t agree more. man, when it comes to documenting corruption you are absolutly nailing Perry and the repiglicans. Good job jbb.
the Solyndra loan guarantee was a multi-year process that the Bush administration launched in 2007
JohnBernardBooks says:
More from Prof Cippola’s research:
“More impressive still were the results among the professors. Whether I considered a large university or a small college, a famous institution or an obscure one, I found that the same fraction σ of the professors are stupid. So bewildered was I by the results, that I made a special point to extend my research to a specially selected group, to a real elite, the Nobel laureates. The result confirmed Nature’s supreme powers: σ fraction of the Nobel laureates are stupid.”
Couldn’t have said it better, especially the part about the pedants.
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retrocon says:
The straightening out of the Winter Olympics should not be overlooked. Romney is about competence and leadership.
Can anyone imagine Rick Perry being called in to rescue those scandal-ridden Olympics? Think about it.
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Romney’s management skills are his strength, his problem is romneycare.
Perry’s handling of Hurricane Ike showed his leadership skills. He kicked the EPA off the job and put TEQC in charge. He also empowered cities to do their own cleanup without EPA interferrence.
management vs leadership skills.
I’ll take leadership over management skills, huge difference.
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John Johnson Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Leadership, JBB? Perry a good leader? I have to disagree. Look at his goofy appointments to all the various state committees and boards. Look at TxDot, our PUC, and the Board of Insurance. All headed in the past by people who don’t know squat about roads, electricity or insurance.
What do we get? Perry pushing toll roads and turning over our highways to a Spanish conglomerate; deregulation of our electricity which has yanked billions out of Texan’s pockets; and insurance rates which are the highest in the country.
We have tort reform which saved the doctors, hospitals, pharmecutical companies and medical device manufacturers money on their liability insurance rates, and the insurance companies billions in payouts, but never made one iota of difference in the premiums we pay. Our premium rates have gone up almost 90% sinc Perry has been in office.
Perry a good leader? He’s everything but, JBB.
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
John
The oldest definition of a leader is simple.
If you start down a path and look behind you and no one is following, much like Prez Obama. then you’re not a leader.
People will follow Perry, especially men.
You can choose who you want as a leader but if you look around and more are following Perry, that should tell you something.
John Johnson Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Sorry, JBB…when I look to see who is following Perrry, I just see a few diehard supporters and a whole bunch of ignorant, uniformed sheep.
One of the things we surely agree on is that the majority of people on both the left and right don’t pay much attention to what is going on. They just “follow the leader” and expect them to do what is “right”. They don’t know issues, they don’t read newspapers, they don’t read books, they don’t watch the news on tv. They are ignorant sheep.
JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
“They are ignorant sheep.”
typical liberal argument.
Blue Dogs Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
John, didn’t Perry debate Hightower in the 1990 Agriculture Commissioner’s race ?
The last time I saw him in a good debate was in 2002 when he ripped into Sanchez’s banking scandals.
John Johnson Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
JBB, I’m no liberal, and I’m not suggesting that Obama followers are any smarter or better informed than Perry supporters. What I’m saying is that the majority of U.S. citizens are ignorant about what is going on around them poltically.
It is like the guy’s post on Burkablog a few weeks ago about his father-in-law who is, or was, a big Perry supporter. The guy mentioned to his FIL that Perry supported state legislators appointing senators that each state sends to Washington taking voters out of the equation. His FIL called him a liar, saying there was no way that Perry would go for that. Now he knows.
Rog says:
Don’t know what you’re smoking, JBB, but FEMA is in charge of cleanup after a hurricane, not EPA. And TCEQ has nothing to do with FEMA.
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anonymous says:
Hey Burka, have you seen the latest Iowa poll showing Romney in the lead? Why no posting about that? Perhaps because it destroys your false narrative about Perry being a “lock”…no, excuse me, now he’s just “well-positioned” for the nomination.
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Jed Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
iowa not equal nomination
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JohnBernardBooks says:
“Don’t know what you’re smoking, JBB, but FEMA is in charge of cleanup after a hurricane, not EPA. And TCEQ has nothing to do with FEMA.”
No, FEMA does not do clean up.
But feel free to chime in, knowledge not required here. However feelings are very important.
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Robert Morrow says:
Harris Poll. Ron Paul 51% Obama 49% – I bet you will see a lot more polls like that.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Ron-Paul-Bests-Obamain-Latest-bw-3821734650.html?x=0&.v=1
LAKE JACKSON, Texas–(BUSINESS WIRE)– In a new Harris Poll, 2012 Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul beats President Obama 51 percent to 49 percent in a general election race.
“This is yet another poll that clearly proves how competitive Ron Paul is against the sitting President,” said Ron Paul 2012 National Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton. “Dr. Paul is making strides, affirming that the American people are looking for conviction instead of the typical status quo rhetoric being offered by establishment candidates.”
These results come just a few weeks after a Reuters/Ipsos survey showed Ron Paul polling within striking distance of President Obama among registered voters. Furthermore, a late August Rasmussen poll showed him within 1 percent of President Obama in a head-to-head matchup.
Another recent Gallup survey, conducted August 17-18, shows Paul only 2 percentage points behind Obama in a general election match-up. In a similar head-to-head survey from last year done by Rasmussen, Dr. Paul drew a statistical dead heat with the President. And earlier this year in a survey by CNN, he did the best out of the other Republicans put up against Obama in a head-to-head poll.
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Blue Dogs says:
Burka, Perry maybe an early favorite to get the GOP nomination, but Republicans need to face reality that Romney is the ONLY one who could defeat Obama while Perry is too controversial and too extreme for those moderate Indy voters in the swing states.
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JohnBernardBooks says:
With comments like this from the left “They are ignorant sheep.”, and Robert Morrow and his buddies Huff Post on the right. That makes conservatives the mainstream moderate.
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retrocon says:
Perry’s “leadership” style seems to be putting himself at the disposal of the powerbrokers. For example, his education policies. He just repeats what his big donors are trying to push with his help (e.g. vouchers).
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JohnBernardBooks says:
When there is no leadership ie obama the void is usually filled by the croney capitalist buddies…ie GE, solyndra etc
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John Johnson says:
Or Pilgrim’s Pride, or Perry Homes, or AT&T, or Energy Future Holdings, or Merck, or Cintra-Zachary, or, or, or, or, or……
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Robert Morrow Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Rick Perry is the MOTHER of crony capitalism and “pay to play.”
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
It’s sad how your bias toward Perry lends you to make stupid statements.
Obviously niether of you have ever seen or heard of Brown & Root and LBJ.
or:
“Sen. Dianne Feinstein introduced legislation to route $25 billion in taxpayer money to a government agency that had just awarded her husband’s real estate firm a lucrative contract to sell foreclosed properties at compensation rates higher than the industry norms.”
or:
Ted Kennedy’s real estate company or his construction company.
or:
The honorable John Murtha. This could continue for years.
Democrats are the masters at looting, its how they make their fortunes while pretending to do government service.
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JohnBernardBooks says:
Its amusing to watch the kooks trying to out prevaricate the nuts in their race to put down Perry.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Didn’t I tell you to stop looking in the mirror???
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Mr. Smith Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
John,
What is the saddest thing about trying to read all of your posts, is your inability to be critical of those you support. Perry is your GOD, and the Republicans your religion. Whenever anyone shows that you have falsified a statement, or gotten your facts wrong, you just say something else about how bad Democrats are. Its such a worn joke, you’re like the kid who loves a football team no matter what. They can do no wrong. Just look at these posts. No one, and I mean no one, takes you the least bit seriously. But if Professor Cibbola taught us anything, its that stupid people are dangerous. JBB, you, and your Republicans can never do wrong religion, are dangerous to a democracy that thrives only when we ask the tough questions of our friends as well as our foes. Your ramblings have no value because they are not the product of intelligent, critical thought.
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Robert Morrow says:
JBB, Brown and Root owning LBJ?
Also Halliburton owning GHW Bush and Cheney. And these folks OWNING Rick Perry. Not to mention many of those same donors to the Republican Governor’s Association when it was controlled by Rick Perry.
Halliburton, the neocons, the military contractors own Rick Perry, too. LBJ, Bushes & Perry all “owned” by pretty much the same people.
Rick Perry is a corporate cronyist NOT a small government free market capitalist.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-fletcher/rick-perry-conservative-o_b_986113.html
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$127,549 Independent Bankers Association Independent Bankers Association
$127,500 Allan Polunsky Polunsky & Beitel LLP
$126,000 William A. & Nancy F. McMinn Sterling Group
$125,000 Gene Phillips Prime Income Asset Mgt
$125,000 Polunsky & Beitel LLP Polunsky & Beitel LLP
$125,000 Texas Automobile Dealers Association Texas Automobile Dealers Association
$125,000 Michael Vollman Vignette Corp.
$125,000 Charles J. Wyly Jr. Ranger Capital
$124,000 Chaz Glace Chasco Contracting Co.
$123,700 Eugene H. Dawson Jr. Pape-Dawson Engineers Inc.
$122,500 Vernon & Emily Reaser III Texas Teachers, LLC
$120,000 Robert Stillwell BP Capital
$120,000 Texas Aggregates & Concrete Association Texas Aggregates & Concrete Association
$119,500 Richard Sheldon Rick Sheldon Real Estate
$116,500 W Jonas Holland & Knight
$115,502 Gordon T. Graves Graves Management, Inc.
$115,000 Richard Fant New Process Steel
$115,000 Farmers Employee & Agent PAC Farmers Insurance Co
$115,000 Julia Jones Matthews Dodge Jones Foundation
$112,500 Baker Botts Amicus Fund Baker Botts LLP
$112,500 Christopher (Kit) Goldsbury Jr. Silver Ventures Inc.
$112,300 Weldon R. Denman Denman & Company
$112,228 Republican Party of Texas Victory 2002 RPT
$112,000 Mike G. Rutherford Sr. Rutherford Oil Co.
$110,848 Thomas O. Hicks Hicks Muse Tate & Furst
$110,250 Toby and Melissa Neugebauer Quantum Energy Partners
$110,000 Teamsters DRIVE Committee International Brotherhood of Teamsters
$109,500 David and Jennifer Spencer Mandelbrot Ventures Inc.
$108,700 John Victor Lattimore Jr. Lattimore Materials
$107,688 Leslie Doggett WL Doggett¿ LLC
$107,500 Gary & Susan Farmer Heritage Title Company of Austin Inc.
$107,083 Winstead P.C. Winstead PC
$106,250 S. Wil Vanloh Jr. Quantum Energy
$106,000 Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP
$105,000 Texas Society of Architects Committee Texas Society of Architects
$104,225 Texas Hospital Association Texas Hospital Association
$104,000 Jack A. Cardwell Petro Stopping Centers
$103,587 William F. Scott Trans-Global Solutions (TGS), Inc
$102,500 Texas Bankers Association Texas Bankers Association
$102,000 Texas Society of Certified Public Accountants Texas Society of Certified Public Accountants
$101,000 J. Kyle Bass Hayman Advisors, LP
$101,000 Ray Davis Energy Transfer Partners
$101,000 Grande Communications Grande Communications
$100,000 ACC Capital Holdings ACC Capital Holdings
$100,000 Sid Bass Bass Brothers Enterprises
$100,000 Glenn Collins NeoDyme Technologies
$100,000 Darwin Deason Affiliated Computers Services, Inc.
$100,000 Dlloyd Investments Ltd. Dlloyd Investments Ltd.
$100,000 Mark W. Eidman Scott Douglas & McConnico LLP
$100,000 Foster Friess Brandywine Financial
$100,000 Marcus Hiles Western Rim Investments
$100,000 Koch PAC Koch Industries
$100,000 Scott Kubitz EP Fitness
$100,000 John McHale Tipping Point Co.
$100,000 Charles & Beth Miller Meridian Advisors
$100,000 Ira Rennert Renco Group
$100,000 Texas Health Care Association Texas Health Care Association
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
Huff Post again? hahaha
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Bill Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Only $100,000 from the Kochs? Wazzup with that?
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JohnBernardBooks says:
I have never said I support Perry not once. I did say with so many democrats saying Perry was so terrible he must be good.
But for a nut to state
“Rick Perry is the MOTHER of crony capitalism and “pay to play.””
Its obvious who’s not playing with a full deck.
I’m just an old country boy who comes here to poke fun of the less than bright and poorly informed democrats. I really enjoy playing the game with democrats as so many have little or no depth.
“Your ramblings have no value because they are not the product of intelligent, critical thought” maybe so, but I wasn’t fooled by Obama and you were. Maybe its time you democrats stop acting so superior and try to figure out what you’re going to do after you lose big in 2012.
As far as a primary election in March, its far to early to pick a favorite, but I promise you it won’t be Obama.
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John Johnson Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
I know where you are coming from, JBB. You are a great rabble rouser and certainly know how to get a rise out of people.
You also know that I am not a liberal, nor a ultra conservative. I just like to call ‘um like I see ‘um.
We are both in the ABO group. Anyone But Obama.
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The Mustache That Dare Not Speak It's Name Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
Successful troll is successful!
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 29th, 2011 at 5:38 am
democrats love to dish it out but can’t take it. How immature.
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The Mustache That Dare Not Speak Its Name Reply:
September 29th, 2011 at 7:43 am
Successful troll builds on his success!
donuthin says:
Leave the idiot alone.
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Dave says:
ARG: Perry third place in Iowa behind Romney and Bachmann
http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/primary/rep/ia/
ARG is a lousy pollster though
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Robert Morrow says:
See those Hunt contributions? That is LBJ contributor bloodlines, there. I assure they are descendents, probably grandchildren of H.L. Hunt. I could be wrong, but I bet I am right.
$369,144 Woody L. & Gayle G. Hunt Hunt Corp.
$265,000 Ray L. Hunt Hunt Consolidated, Inc.
H.L. Hunt, a very close associate of Lyndon Johnson, was one of the BIG players in the JFK assassination. LBJ told his girlfriend Madeleine Brown it was the Texas oil men and the CIA who murdered JFK. From all of my research, I conclude that is spot on. With of course Lyndon Johnson in the very center of the plot.
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Mollie Reply:
September 29th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Ray may be.
Woody Hunt is a real estate guy from El Paso. Was a UT regent. Just a regular Republican ho. I don’t think he has anything to do with the other Hunts.
What’s interesting is that Robert Rowling, who quit the Regents in a huff over compensation to UTIMCO, he was criticized by Perry, and became a backer of KBH for governor, has returned to the fold and is paying out the nose for the privilege
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Anonymous says:
Robert Morrow – you are a nut. Please go away!
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Robert Morrow Reply:
September 28th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Why? Do you have the “hots” for LBJ? You know he murdered John Kennedy, don’t you. As close to pure concentrated evil as there ever was. Lyndon Johnson would have been a Hitler under the right conditions; maybe he was if you factor in how he escalated Vietnam.
He was probably behind the attack on the USS Liberty, too, as a ploy to get the USA to intervene on the side of Israel.
And certainly, the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a hoax.
Didn’t mean to leave out stealing the 1948 election.
Or having a personal hit man Malcolm Wallace.
Or that Ray Hill says Lyndon Johnson admitted having sex with his grandmother in a sexual history interview with Alfred Kinsey.
That is just a starter list on LBJ.
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Robert Morrow says:
Herman Cain – JBB, another big Huffington Post liberal:
“Today I could not support Rick Perry as the nominee for a host of reasons,” Cain told CNN host Wolf Blitzer on Wednesday.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64662.html#ixzz1ZJCxAS5w
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Robert Morrow says:
Our local political journalists really are a bunch of hacks. And, God, and they giving some home gym refereeing to Rick Perry.
Hack Harvey Kronberg the latest today: I was listening to him on the radio explaining to me that a mentally retarded monkey Rick Perry is somehow still in the lead in the GOP race.
It’s not how bad the episode was but how quickly he recovers and gets his footing again,” Kronberg said.
Kronberg said in the end, the debates will mean little to both voters and to the overall election.
“If I’m right he’s going to show a huge amount of money on his finance report and that’s going to wipe away all the bad news of the last four days,” said Kronberg.
And we have resident blogger Paul Burka living in denial, too. Name 10 others.
As for Demo consultant Jason Stanford he does not believe a word he is saying; he’s just praying Perry is let out of the aslyum for the GOP nomination.
http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/politics/perry-still-at-the-top-after-debates
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Robert Morrow says:
Here is highly acclaimed political analyst Jennifer Donahue a little over a month ago – 8/15/11 – making a fool out of herself as she practically screams Rick Perry is not just the Republican nominee, but the next president.
http://freedomslighthouse.net/tag/jennifer-donahue/
Folks, that means you Burka, Kronberg, Donahue, Halperin, and all those *genius* insider political reporters around the dinner table, you have to dig a little deeper than just talking to a few donor bundlers to analyze a race. The slightest investigation of cogitation about Perry would reveal the man has tremendous political and personal baggage for national politics.
Beating Democrats in Texas does not count. Bob Dole won Texas. Beating a scared little school girl about to wet her pants in a Republican primary does not count either. Raising $100 million in Republican Texas when the Democrat always looks at the state level and with rare primary opposition does not count either.
A lightweight, career politician.
There is a reason why for decades, political folks at the Capital would just chuckle whenever the topic of Rick Perry’s “depth” would come up. Literally these folks would laugh, belly laugh, at the thought of Rick Perry in national politics.
Not to mention the *rampant* rumors (true or not, everyone agrees rampant) about Perry’s so-called personal life that have been running for 15 years.
There are only so many religious whackos to go around – even in Texas, Iowa and South Carolina. There are only so many billionaires to fund vanity or suicide missions.
When are you folks gonna QUIT treating Rick Perry as a serious candidate and START treating Ron Paul as one? Sound of crickets …
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JohnBernardBooks says:
I’ve been telling you democrats this day was coming. Its called pushback, sorry if you don’t like it. Learn how to have a discussion like a grownup.
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Dave says:
Polls since last debate:
Perry by 8 – CNN
Romney by 4 – Fox
Romney by 5 – YouGov
Romney by 6 in Iowa – ARG (Perry in third)
Romney by 6 in Florida – PPP
Romney by 4 in Ohio – Quinnipiac
Romney by 2 in Pennsylvania – Quinnipiac
Smooth sailing for the Good Ship Perry.
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Robert Morrow Reply:
September 29th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Without money for Perry – and I don’t care what his 3rd quarter numbers are, because that is the LAST he is getting – without money, those poll numbers for Perry are only going to get worse.
It’s over.
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Anonymous says:
Paul, please put Mr. Morrow out of his misery. Administer a little tough love and cut him off. The withdrawal symptoms will not be pleasant, but he will thank you in the longrun. The rest of us will thank you immediately.
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Robert Morrow says:
Anonymous, why don’t you just go somewhere else instead of promoting your totalitarian fantasies?
What political hack/fraud do you work for? It is SO obvious that you do or did. YOU are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
New FOX poll – Obama leads Perry 47-39% in a general election. I think they need to quit polling Perry because we already knew that.
Romney down 42-45% to Obama in general.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-fox-poll-20110929,0,4063197.story
I guarantee you that polling Ron Paul/Obama will give you some pretty sweet numbers (if you are pro liberty/ independent).
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donuthin says:
Probably not fair on my part, but if I look at group of supporters for a candidate and the group looks a little crazy, I immediately project that too the candidate. Perry is looking a little crazy.
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anita says:
So I noticed Perry is now “walking back” his comment on heartless R’s and tuition.
There seems to be a pattern developing of Rick Perry making a very clear, direct statement on an issue, catching some grief for it, and then retreating/recanting.
“I was probably a bit over-passionate by using that word and it was inappropriate,” Perry said in a interview.
I’ve always thought of a campaign as a test to see how a person operates, how they handle the rigors and demands, who they surround themselves with, etc. Rick Perry has had 10 years to ponder this specific issue — he should be able to speak to it without later having to qualify his comments as “inappropriate”. There will be many issues as president that he’d have to speak to without the benefit of 10 years of circumspection. How is this man ready to serve as POTUS?
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Anonymous Reply:
September 29th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
at this rate how long before he starts apologizing for the united states. then what will the wingnuts do? can’t wait to see their heads explode. hahaha
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anon-p Reply:
September 29th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
From 2008:
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“And it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,” Obama said.
Now, Obama is spending time explaining his remarks.
“Obviously, if I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that,” Obama said in a phone interview on Saturday with the Winston-Salem Journal.
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Do tell, anita, do tell.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 7:34 am
that comment explains a lot of the brain dead (cow droppings, 50cal, crazy uncle, jbb) here on this board.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 8:46 am
Happy to . . . and thanks for making the case for me so eloquently . . .
Obama = one comment over 5 years;
Perry = numerous comments over 5 weeks.
Perry is just not presidential timber, which is a fact that I believe even those who agree with him on policy issues are quickly realizing.
And I’d welcome anyone who considers themselves to be a Perry supporter to explain his answers relating to Pakistan and India in the last debate — considering the turmoil in the world today and recent history, especially in this region, it’s scary to embrace a nominee who can’t articulate a vision or a strategy for dealing with nukes.
As Perry says, words have meaning — but as we are quickly finding out, Perry’s words don’t have much meaning, nor do they make much sense.
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Robert Morrow says:
The National Enquirer is all over the Rick Perry/Alice Patterson religious whackjob connection. What swing voter is going to like Alice Patterson sitting in Rick Perry’s lap, whispering spiritual advisor sweet things in his ear? All that crazy religious fundamentalist stuff.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/rick-perry-embraces-demon-seeing-gay-bashing-religious-leader-kkk
Thinking of how the religious whackjobs approach things … Does it seem to you that the damnation of drought and wildfire that has been visited on Texas is God’s response to who we have elected governor?
Meaning is there a reverse Jesus effect going on here, where all Texans pay for the sins and gargantuan hypocrisy of our highest elected official?
Maybe Alice Patterson’s worldview is right after all!!
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Mr. Smith says:
Paul,
Would you please post something on Will Hartnett retiring?
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Robert Morrow says:
Ron Paul (44-45) and Mitt Romney (45-46) only trailing Obama by 1 point in Florida. Yes, Ron Paul will have a hard to getting out the GOP primary; which reflects poorly on the Republican base.
But if he ever did, Ron Paul would make a fine general election candidate. One big reason for that is Paul would stop the endless wars and save us trillions on military spending.
And he free up “liberty” at home. Apparently that message sounds good.
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/poll-ron-paul-v-obama-dead-heat-fla
Rick Perry 43-50 vs. Obama in the must-win state of Florida. The Perry campaign is effectively over.
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Robert Morrow says:
Perry, for once, is telling the truth. He did not want to run president this year (although he has indeed been running for it for 5 years.)
Perry, more than anyone of you reading this, knows how close he came to personal/political destruction in the 2010 campaign. By early 2011, Perry did NOT want to run for president.
But after the Gingrich campaign imploded, the billionaires, millionaires, inner circle political groupies (think Bill Crocker) and Anita “Hillary Clinton” Perry insisted that he do it. With disastrous results.
Anita has skated free so far in this campaign; yet she is a BIG reason for this debacle. Her lust for personal adulation/glory was a big factor in prodding Perry to run, against his better instincts.
Never make someone do what they don’t want to do; their heart will not be in it. Basically, Perry is running a campaign of fear now, knows he is not going to win, and worries just how bad it can get. Is this a “happy warrior?”
Rick Perry:
“I still don’t wake up every morning and go, ‘Man, being a president of the United States is something I dream about every day,’ no more than, I suppose, a soldier on June the 5th or June the 6th of 1944 looked forward to running up the beach at Normandy.”
Getting slaughtered on a beach at Normandy is the way Perry views this campaign. That is what happens when you let your doormat wife suddenly start being your general.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/republicans/8797753/Exclusive-Rick-Perry-My-wife-prodded-me-to-enter-presidential-race.html
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M says:
Someone asked what President Obama has done to get re-elected.
-improved processes at important regulatory functions, like the FDA, so food-borne illness is better tracked and tobacco can be regulated
-passed consumer protection legislation with regard to the credit card industry (no more outrageous interest rate hikes and exorbitant fees, more notice provided to the consumer)
-reversed the gag rule, so international aid can flow to poor women who live in wretched poverty with their children
-increased fuel economy standards (cheaper and healthier!)
-greatly increased Veterans Affairs funding
-killed Osama bin laden
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Robert Morrow says:
WSJ 9/30/11:
“Wall Street is Bearish on Perry’s Electability”
Expect a lot more articles like this.
Paul Burka and Harvery Kronberg sure do have a lot to learn about politics. The Perry campaign is like the corpse in “Weekend at Bernie’s” and Burka & Kronberg both still think it is driving the car. It is stiff, lifeless and stinking up the place.
Maybe I should pick another metaphor … ok, the Perry campaign is like a watermelon that has been dropped off a 10 story building and its red guts are splattered all over the sidewalk below.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203405504576600834223963972.html
The GOP donors and the elite opinion makers – national journalists, GOP activists have fired Rick Perry. So no money (or rather too little money) or opinion makers are going to prop up this campaign anymore.
They fired him because they don’t they Perry is electable or has the mental capacity to handle the job.
The Texas political journalists will never figure this out. They are too much “homers” …
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Robert Morrow Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 3:52 am
And without the money & opinion makers, Perry’s poll numbers are going to sag, sag as the air comes out of the balloon.
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Anonymous says:
Looks like Burka is planning on shutting this site down, but wants Morrow to do it for him. I think this has all but been accomplished.
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Jed Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 8:24 am
so says the 155th commenter on the thread.
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houtopia says:
If I’m Gov. Perry, I welcome Gov. Christie into the race. Two northeastern moderates splits the country club wing of the party, and offers a clear path to the nomination by consolidating the Tea Party/social conservative vote.
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anita says:
Here’s a timeless classic for the Perry apologists, Gov. Perry in his own words from a mere week ago:
“. . . is it the Mitt Romney that was on the side of (sic) against the Second Amendment before he was for the Second Amendment . . . was it, was it before the social programs before, um, the social programs, from the standpoint of (sic) he was for standing up for Roe v. Wade, before he was against, versus, um, Roe v. Wade, ahh, he was, ahh, for Race for the Top (sic), ahh, he’s ahh, for Obamacare, and now he’s against it, ahh, I mean, ahh, we’ll wait until until tomorrow and and ahh see which Mitt Romney we’re really talking to tonite.”
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Robert Morrow Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Here is another quote from the debate:
Moderator: “If at 3AM in the morning, the Taliban took over the Pakistani nuclear arsenal what would you do?”
Perry: “Let’s just cut to the chase, the FACT of the matter is turnip green soup IS good for you. Yee haw!”
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Dave Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 11:32 am
“What’s good is to get these goats for our computer industry!”
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Robert Morrow Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
What Dave is referring to is the major policy speech that Perry delivered, post debate fiascos, in attempt to salvage his flailing campaign.
I hear that Dave Carney and Ray Sullivan had a major hand in the writing of this comeback address to the nation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhDhDRvHaGs
anon-p says:
Ruh-roh. The new study showing the cost to Massachusetts of 18,000 jobs because of Romneycare doesn’t look good for Mitt.
I was just thinking about Romneycare this morning and how much the program cost Massachusetts alone. According a Boston Globe article this year, the state’s share of the five year program through 2010 was $1.62 billion.
And yet, Perry gets pilloried for in-state tuition for illegals, which, from 2004 to 2008 awarded $33.6 million to students in Texas.
A classic case of worrying about the gnats while the lions are getting your *ss.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Duhhhhh! Massachusetts doesn’t have any oil or gas, anon-p. Where would we be without it?
My f’n insurance premiums have skyrocketed 100% in the last ten years. How about those in Mass? No one pays higher premiums that we do in Texas.
Quit bragging on our governor. Everyone else in the country is finding out how shallow he really is…and along with it, how stupid we are.
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anon-p Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
From http://www.forbes.com/2011/04/25/health-care-mitt-romney_2.html
“Massachusetts taxpayers are not only footing the bill for all this new public spending–they’re also facing higher rates for private coverage. A 2010 study published in the Forum for Health Economics & Policy found that health insurance premiums in Massachusetts were increasing at a rate 3.7% slower than the national average prior to the implementation of RomneyCare. Post-overhaul, they’re increasing 5.8% faster. Annual premium hikes in the state have averaged 7.5% since 2000.
The average employer-sponsored family health plan costs nearly $14,000. That’s higher than anywhere else in the nation.”
So, in Mass, you get the income tax burden -plus- the high premiums.
And now, apparently, a pink slip if you’re one of the 18,000 medical professionals.
w00t!
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Rog says:
Pinko liberal socialist Obama knocks off the two top Al Quaeda targets back to back and the neo-cons don’t say a word. Who is making America safe? Tough talking all hat no cattle war mongers or the current POTUS?
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Robert Morrow Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Neither. Both are for bankrupting imperialism and attacks on civil liberties.
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John Johnson Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Just goes to show that we don’t need boots on the ground getting killed while trying to buyoff backwards, third world crooks, or build their roads, schools, telecommunications and water and electricity infrastructure for them. Bring troops home and use inclandestine activities and drones to get our point across. Won’t sit well with the generals and the defense contractors who hire the generals when they retire, but it will save young lives and save the taxpayers billions, and we will be just as safe as we are now.
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JohnBernardBooks says:
thats exactly what LBJ did in Nam and Sen Church decalared, “The war is lost”.
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Robert Morrow says:
The Huffington Post is doing a really good job of covering Perry.
Rick Perry is the MOTHER of crony capitalism. Dirty real estate deals, very questionable stock purchases (probably insider trading)… not to mention that Texas Enterprise slush fund, HPV and the toll road insanities …. or the roles of Mike Toomey and Dan Shelley.
And these are all issues that are NOT going away for the rest of Perry’s not so long left campaign:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/30/rick-perry-insider-trading-land-deals_n_988207.html
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Robert Morrow Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Question: where is the NY Times or the Washington Post or Politico on campaign coverage? Good God they are awful; I guess writing articles on campaign press releases and leaks is the MSM standard.
The Huffington Post is running circles around the entire rest of the media combined. They are doing what is called “journalism.” The rest is doing what is called “flacking.” Bet you never knew Rick Perry and the east coast media were on the same team, did you?
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Robert Morrow says:
Intrade current 9/30/11:
Rick Perry 19% chance of being GOP nominee. Romney 46%. Palin 4%. Huntsman 4%. Paul 3%. Christie 9%. Cain 6%.
Let’s see where Perry is a month from now on Halloween night. I predict significantly lower. So Perry is a “sell” at these prices. Harvey Kronberg would say a screaming buy.
Nobody outside of Texas thinks this boy has a chance.
http://www.intrade.com
Hermain Cain and Ron Paul are on the upswing.
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Robert Morrow says:
A recent email to me:
“Dick Perry’s 2.2 grade point average in ‘animal sciences’ from Texas A&M isn’t likely to skyrocket before the next debate. Romney went th Harvard… Paul is a doctor… Gingrich is a PhD.. Bachmann a lawyer… Cain a Masters from Purdue. Perry’s mumbling, fumbling debate performance is the reason some GOP’ers are scrambling to push Christie into the race.
Should, by some fluke, Perry be nominated, I think Larry Flynt will make good on his million dollar reward and out Perry for good. That would be a major disaster for the GOP and I think insiders know that by now. Perry is like so many philanderers who think they can screw around forever and not get caught.”
All of that is very true …
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JohnBernardBooks says:
Larry Flynt another decent outstanding citizen democrats admire.
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