Pew: Immigration from Mexico falls to zero–or even less
A report by the Pew Hispanic Center finds that the huge wave of immigration from Mexico not only seems to have come to an end but is also reversing itself. This is a remarkable development, one that would have seemed unthinkable even five years ago. Illegal immigrants are self-deporting back to Mexico.
One of the reasons is the softness of the U.S. housing market. The housing industry was a magnet for immigrants, and now the jobs aren’t available. The reverse migration will change politics. Border security and illegal immigration will diminish as front-burner issues. The border wall will turn out to have been unnecessary. The outflow of workers to Mexico will hamper the recovery of the housing market, and it will make new homes less affordable. Local schools and hospitals will be less burdened as the immigrant population disperses. These are just a few of the consequences that are foreseeable in the short term. Illegal immigration will continue to be an issue, but much of the heat will dissipate.
Tagged: immigration
Bodhisattva says:
Also, count on the like of Rep. Leo Berman and Rep. Debbie Riddle to take credit for “running off the illegals.”
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Dave says:
I don’t expect to see a reduction in the rhetoric just because the facts change. Voter ID laws are all the rage even though there is almost no evidence of crimes that Voter ID would prevent.
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Art Reply:
April 27th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Dave is right. Some rightwing whacko is going to take credit for this in some odd way….probably our sweet governor. Maybe he was a-sittin’ in a deer blind with his trusty Ruger laser sighted coyote killer and it scared all them Messicans back where they belong!
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Blue Dogs Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:50 am
Yet the Latinos are becoming the fastest growing ethnic minority group in the nation in which the Republicans are scared to death of losing their racial majority in 30 years from now and Dems, well you know.
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Tim says:
I thought the more interesting part was the fact that birth rates have fallen as well. Which means not only may this trend keep immigrants out of the US, but it may also mean that once the economy starts roaring again there might not be any local workers to import. We might have to have guest worker programs like Europe.
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Distinguished Gentleman says:
How do we know:
(a) that this assertion from the Pew Hispanic Center is accurate; and
(b) that, if accurate, this is a permanent (rather than merely temporary) shift?
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paulburka Reply:
April 27th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Pew is a very respected think tank. They don’t cook numbers.
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Robert Morrow Reply:
April 28th, 2012 at 12:45 am
Pew Foundation gave us that anti-free speech travesty known as McCain-Feingold. Ford, Carnegie and Soros were all in it to, ginning up an astroturf campaign to slit the throat of political commentary.
The reason Citizens United had to sue was because they could not even make a hit job documentary on Hillary without breaking federal law.
Pew has their agenda … not saying they are cooking the books on this particular poll, but they definitely have an “agenda.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1375354/posts
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John Johnson says:
Let’s give credit where credit is due. Pres. Obama gets all the kudos for this. He failed to keep promises on resurrecting the economy because he doesn’t know how to turn it around. This is the reason for the immigrants’ departure, and should be a lesson to us. If we keep our economy and standard of living low, we won’t have to worry about pourous borders. Problem solved. Hail to the Chief!
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
April 27th, 2012 at 10:04 am
bullseye, the man’s a genius
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Art Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Give the credit where credit is due now boys….George W. Bush killed the economy.
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Alan Reply:
April 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
No president has the power to “resurrect” an economy. To the extent that Barack Obama – and just about everyone else who runs for president – made that promise, it was to placate ignorant voters who really think that’s the case.
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Fiftycal Reply:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Yah. Socialists DO have the “power” to RUIN an economy. To wit, OURS! Of course O Hussein Obama could lower the price of gas by $2.00 overnite by approving the Keystone pipeline and ordering the EPA to end the useless practice of “blending” hundreds of different formulas for gasoline.
Would he do it? Well, remember this quote “Your energy prices will necessarily skyrocket”.
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Art Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Sir, you simply have no concept of how gas prices work. The Keystone pipeline will not lower gas prices at the pump a farthing. Niether will EPA regs.
Anonymous Reply:
April 27th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
I’ll grant you that Obama should’ve done more while he had 60 D’s in the Senate. His stimulus wasn’t big enough. But since Brown became the 41st vote in the Senate, the R’s have blocked every effort to do anything positive for the economy. They’d rather sacrifice the country and play to idiots who blame the guy at the top for not doing what Congress won’t allow him to do.
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John Johnson Reply:
April 27th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Please elaborate. What economy boosting bright ideas have been blocked? The money down the toilet deals to all the Green companies ? Expanding unemployment benefits? Letting banks use our money to speculate on oil instead of loaning it out to small businesses? Enlighten us.
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Anonymous Reply:
April 27th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
President Obama’s efforts have indeed been too modest — an effort to “compromise” with a Party that expressly made his failure their top priority. But why bother to put anything more on the table? Even his modest proposals have been rejected, to say nothing of his efforts to achieve a modicum of deficit reduction by asking those who have more to give more (when tax rates are at their lowest in decades and income inequality is at its highest in a century). If you want to keep digging your own grave and that of your grandchildren Johnson, vote Mitt Romney. The GOP will make sure only multi-millionaires have a pot to pi$$ in.
John Johnson Reply:
April 27th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I am truly concerned about my grandsons. That’s why our give-a-way president needs to get the boot. How many billions has he dumped into dark holes like Solyndra? More people on the dole than ever before. Romney will create private sector jobs; Obama only job proposals have revolved around government manufactured jobs paid for with taxes. There is a job boom in ND that could be expanded right now. Duh….see Cool Breeze making the moves to get it done?
Col. Mike Kirby Reply:
April 27th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
How?? He’s a pump and dump man. He doesn’t give a shit about jobs, just cash.
Anonymous Reply:
April 27th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Romney will do exactly what the GOP Congress wants him to do — Ryan Plan. Good luck if you aren’t already rich!
Anonymous Reply:
April 27th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Can’t take you seriously anymore, Johnson. Romney is the picture of everything you pretend to oppose — BIG. He couldn’t be more identifiable if it were written on his forehead. Venture capitalists are the Bain of American democracy…and you’re apparently ready to sell your grandkids down the river. You personify everything that’s wrong with Texas.
Blue Dogs Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:50 am
Obama LIED to Latinos about doing immigration reform: he’s been there for 3 years and hasn’t done squat.
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longleaf says:
Even Rick Perry knows that Ben Bernanke with his artificial zero interest rate policy is the only person propping up the economy at this point. That’s why he threatened to kill him last summer if he “printed” more money. It is in the GOP’s interest for the economy NOT to improve here for a while until they can take over the White House again.
The Wall Street banks wrecked the economy and they will keep it wrecked for as long as it takes for them to build themselves back up to wherever they want to be. They are the self-proclaimed Masters of the Universe. If they want another war or two to be started as a distraction, they will start.
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Tom says:
It is pretty sad when so many wake up every morning hoping the country will go to hell, just so they can defeat the President.
And they would rather see the country go to hell than have the President re-elected.
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Fiftycal Reply:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Ah, another economic illiterate. Tell me which is bigger, $10,000 from 1,000,000 millionaires or $1000 from 80,000,000 “middle class”? Who benefitted the most, percentage wise, from the “Bush” tax cuts? Answer, the lowest earners had their taxes cut 40%. Question, when the government is borrowing/printing $1,500 BILLION, 47% of every dollar spent, HOW is raising taxes 80 billion going to help? With a deficit that big, $80 billion is just a rounding error.
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John Johnson says:
That’s a cute statement, Tom.
The country has been going south for some time now. It started with Bush, and Obama has taken it even further. The first two years, when he could have done something postive about the economy, he chose to spend all his time getting us deeper in debt. Now that he has lost a congressional majority, he uses this as an excuse. Clinton didn’t. He chose to compromise. Not this president. He’s either too cool to stoop that low, or he is an ideological loon. I personally think that it is a combination of the two.
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Col. Mike Kirby Reply:
April 27th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
that’s a cute statement, please elaborate on each piece of legislation how the President has refused to compromise?
The bank bailout with no rules or penalties was pushed for and passed under bush. So please explain how the Obama should “force” banks to make loans? Wouldn’t that be the government taking over the financial industry?? Wouldn’t that be socialism???
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Pennyforyourthought Reply:
April 28th, 2012 at 12:01 am
He hasn’t come close to compromising. You have to communicate and build a relationship with the opposition first. He sits in his office or flys to fundraisers. He is condescending, cocky and makes promises he hasn’t kept.
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Anonymous Reply:
April 28th, 2012 at 11:33 am
How do you compromise with people whose stated goal is your failure no matter what the cost to the country?
JohnBernardBooks says:
I went to a stimulus giveaway meeting this week. “Isnt there something you people need that we can throw money at?”
Its all dems have….buying votes from the stupid.
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JohnBernardBooks says:
The Obama administration wants to crucify companies that hire people. Guv Perry advocates bringing jobs to Texas.
Looks like I’ll be supporting Guv Perry again.
Dems still don’t know why they’re losers.
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Anonymous Reply:
April 27th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Typhus Fem knows exactly why “we’re” losers — guys like you and Johnson who think they think.
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Anonymous Reply:
April 27th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Sort of like my iPhone, which “thinks” “this Dem” should be “corrected” to “Typhus Fem.”
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John Johnson Reply:
April 27th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
I’m not big Romney fan but he looks really good when compared to the over rated, under performing, cool cat we now have in office. He’s a loser with excellent verbal skills. Most shysters have silver tongues. In my mind, he’s worse than Carter. Sorry, Jimmy.
Earl says:
He eats dog. Nuff said.
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anita says:
So while we are pondering the latest from Pew, the Dew demonstrates that scaring White people with the fear of a Hispanic invasion is the best way to motivate Republican primary voters — using a friendly Super PAC to claim Tom Leppert supports and ran a “sanctuary city”.
Of course, Leppert claims no such thing — similar to another Texas big-city mayor recently running statewide.
We’re supposed to believe that R’s care about the concerns of the Hispanic community, when they use us as their bogeymen to rally their base? Seriously?
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JohnBernardBooks says:
Actually we’re not terrified of a Hispanic invasion however we are against democrats who want to cruficy businesses.
“I apologize to those I have offended and regret my poor choice of words,” Region 6 EPA Administrator Al Armendariz”
Marxist bureaucrats like Al Armendariz have the attitude that “there’s no amount of tax dollars we won’t spend to get companies.” Another loser bites the dust.
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anita Reply:
April 28th, 2012 at 10:12 am
And R’s love crony capitalists like Harold Simmons who literally want to cover portions of Texas in nuclear waste. What part of “pro life” is high cancer rates due to unsafe industrial sites, old technology power generation, and pollution? Perry’s “business” agenda has never said no to any of these, despite their long-term impacts to our environment, and our ability to recruit other business.
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Fiftycal Reply:
April 29th, 2012 at 11:15 am
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Nuklear waste in the far west Texas desert, hundreds of miles from any population center. Yah, those old latex gloves and gowns that “glow” have a nuclear radation level of ZERO at 5 feet. Way to raise a RED HERRING, but in the desert?
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Brown Bess Reply:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Yeah, except when they hit the water table right underneath the dump site. Those million dollar welfare farmers will never know what hit them until its too late.
Art Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 8:35 am
I liked his words. Crucifying a few oil companies seems like a good thing.
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Anonymous Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 4:57 am
Armendariz’s words about the oil industry are in part why the Democrats in Texas will continue to have limited relevancy, because they create the sense among the majority of the state’s population that the party at the national level really doesn’t like the state or its economy all that much
(And if you look at a map of where the big shale oil plays in the state are right now — the Eagle Ford south of San Antonio and the Wolfbone in the western Permian Basin — the vast majority of the plays are in Hispanic-majority counties, most of those which have been historically poor by Texas standards but are now seeing huge booms and jobs in the $40,000-$80,000 range for its residents. How in the hell does the Texas Democratic Party think they’re going to win back the state if people like Al Armendariz are trying to kill off tens of thousands of well-paying oil industry jobs held by Hispanic workers the Democrats will need in future elections?)
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hispanic in exhile says:
Could it be that Mexican families are self deporting to find their loved ones deported by the Democrats and the Obama administration? Remember Obama has deported more families, dReam act kids and English only speaking children to Mexico where they have no passport or ties to that Country. Obama has moved to the right of all Republicans in deporting more hispanics in the history of our Country! Let’s end Obama’s war on hispanics and follow Sen. Marco Rubio’s plan with solutions to the immigration problem!
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anita says:
I don’t believe Sen. Rubio would approve of the Dew’s latest tactic:
“Rubio, 40, the son of Cuban immigrants, ran as a Tea Party favorite and avowed conservative. Since then, he has softened his position, having publicly urged fellow Republicans to tone down their hostile rhetoric about illegal immigrants.”
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hispanic in exhile says:
So do you believe that deporting 1.2 million hispanics amounts to a war on hispanics? Especially since he promised to draw up a bill to handle comprehensive immigration reform in his first year? Obama has lied to the hispanic community and in OUR culture a man’s word is everything! Deport Obama back to Chicago! Romney/Rubio 2012!
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anita Reply:
April 28th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Nope, I don’t. And you don’t, either.
And everyone with a lick of sense knows that as long as R’s continue to demagogue this issue, like Perry and Dewhurst have, there won’t be comprehensive immigration reform.
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jpt51 Reply:
April 29th, 2012 at 1:55 am
Especially since he promised to draw up a bill to handle comprehensive immigration….
Why bother when Republicans uniformly oppose compromise?
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Blue Dogs Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:52 am
Hispanic Exile, I assume you backed Hillary in 2008′s Democratic primary for Prez over Obama.
If he gets re-elected, what are you going to do ?
SWITCH PARTIES ?
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Dave Francis says:
The Litmus Test called ARIZONA.
The Tea Party will enforce our immigration laws, that will represent the people, will introduce a well regulated farm bill so Guest Workers can arrive here and mandatory depart after their contract expires, with no amnesty and benefits compulsory paid by agricultural industry. There will no importation of poverty anymore, with any more access to welfare programs. Another set of regulations to amend, would be a careful examination of the current visa system allowing around a million legal immigrants annually into the U.S. No further violation can be tolerated from businesses and we should only allow the highest echelons of Engineers, Scientists, and mathematicians and technology persons to immigrate. Incidentally anybody who believes illegal alien numbers are only 12 million, I have a bridge they can buy on the planet—MARS?
With the state of Arizona fighting for its very existence from the illegal alien occupation, and the influx of criminals that swept throughout America, then additionally having to defend its immigration enforcement law, known as SB70. That is when Arizona came under fire from the Obama administration’s Justice Department and has stood cautiously to strong-armed behavior of a radicalized Attorney General Eric Holder and his Liberal peons. Arizona is looked upon with respect by the majority of states by going it alone and not being humbled by the U.S. Government. But not the mainstream media who has a deep core of Leftist editorial staff who are very persuasive, with their unreported news of the incessant rise of illegal migrant and immigrant drunk driver, splashing citizens blood of the highways. The murders, the rapes, the robberies, child molestations, Identity theft, voter fraud of criminals and where many have been released back into society or have even returned after deportation numerous times. Even a more dangerous threat is the Democrats and Liberals luring illegal aliens into voting in the Presidential election. With organizations as ACORN in the lead, could cause major problems in even state races, where evidence has proved voter fraud has taken place in Virginia, Colorado, New York state, Florida and many county election.
Sanctuary states like California, Nevada, New York and cities as San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Denver are very critical of police enforcement in other states. These Liberal strongholds have rushed to use incendiary remarks, against Arizona and its counterparts in the Southeast. It seems logical that their Sanctuary State arguments are in fact inflammatory, because their leniency has caused the overwhelming effect of foreign nationals pouring into their states and their overlooked pandering of these people. Now they are very nervous because with the promise that with SCOTUS approval for Arizona to enforce the majority if not all its statutes, they will finally have to deal with their own illegal alien issue. This administration Homeland Security and ICE have allowed Sanctuary Cities to thrive and have done nothing to admonish these unlawful ordinances.
But under the growing numbers of Tea Party membership growth in thousands of chapters nationwide, the Democratic obstructionists could be unseated from Congress, along with the Liberals disguised within their ranks. With the very probability of SCOTUS pronouncement being for Arizona, it could send a ripple effect for the majority of the 50 states, to enact similar policies. STATES AS CALIFORNIA WOULD FIND EVEN MORE FOREIGN NATIONALS ARRIVING AND THEIR HUGE WELFARE DEFICITS SKYROCKETING. This being true a mass exodus could be accomplished as large enough numbers of illegal aliens unable to survive, would decide to leave the country. This would save the country an estimated $113 billion a year for public assistance programs, which would be an advantage for our own low income poor and disabled. All the unfunded mandate money would remain in State coffers.
The comprehensive law, as written, accomplishes four main things:
1. Requires police officers to check the immigration status of any individual during “any lawful stop, detention, or arrest … in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance” where the officer has reasonable suspicion that the individual is an illegal alien. If it’s determined that the individual is an illegal alien, Immigration and Customs Enforcement or Border Patrol must be notified.
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3. Forbids any state agency, county, city, town, or political subdivision from enacting sanctuary policies for illegal aliens.
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5. Requires all aliens to carry their registration document at all times.
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7. Makes it a misdemeanor crime for any individual picking up day laborers to block or impede the flow of traffic and also makes it a misdemeanor crime for an illegal alien to look for work in a public place or block or impede traffic in the pursuit of work.
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The lead attorney Paul Clement, for the State of Arizona, pushed two arguments at the hearing. First, this administration failure to enforce immigration laws has caused a calamity in Arizona that made it indispensable to enact SB 1070. Second, SB 1070 is not preempted since it does not conflict with federal law or fabricate its own system of immigration rulings. Instead it emulates federal law and aids the central government to impose it.
The recent poll about the Arizona’s Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act, SB 1070 shows:
• 65% of voters favor the law, while 31% oppose it.
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• 84% of Republicans favor Arizona’s law, while 46% of Democrats do. A 51% majority of Democrats opposes the law.
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• Independents favor the law by a 40 percentage-point margin, 67% in favor, 27% in opposition.
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• 72% of voters who live in the West and 69% of voters who live in the Midwest approve of the Arizona immigration law, compared to 61% of voters who live in other regions of the country.
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• No administration or its predecessors have secured the border fence. Both political parties have failed miserably to protect this country from the illegal alien occupation. Additionally the American voter must push, track and use the severe pressure of their vote to verbally intimidate every Republican, Democrat and Liberal, informing them that they will unseat them. It is imperative that whatever the outcome of the Arizona court conflict, is to force passage of E-Verify. E-Verify mandated law would authenticate whether somebody can get employment or not? Other persons flagged will have the choice of clearing up their problem with the Social Security administration near them?
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• Voters must demand from GOP House speaker John Boehner, to stop blocking the bipartisan E-Verify “THE LEGAL WORKFORCE ACT” from being initiated in Congress by Texas Senator Lamar Smith. Taxpayers are continuously afflicted at the hands of dishonest politicians who have sold us into financial bondage by allowing illegal immigration to persist almost unimpeded in coming here. A second law to support The Legal Workforce Act H.R. 2885 is to amend the Birthright Citizenship Act of 2011 (H.R.140); the country cannot maintain in subsidizing billions of dollars being extracted from the 50 states? Not just the bad politicians should be thrown out of office, but state Governors, Mayors, Judges and all elected officials, and substitute them with Fresh Tea Party leaders who will insure everybody gets their fair share of the American Dream and enforce all laws attributed to the Constitution and the Rule of Law.
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• Their seemingly no consequences of expectant Mothers smuggled across our border fences, who fly in just to take advantage of the U.S. unfunded mandates laws for hospital deliveries and that taxpayers are on the hook for years. Don’t know who to phone in Washington, and then call 202-224-3121? The switchboard will connect you with your Representatives aid, and then you tell him you’re angry? Every prospective contender, including Mitt Romney would be well advised to read the immigration sullen statistics advanced by “The Heritage Foundation”. According to American Federation of Immigration Reform (FAIR) there is a 2.5 Trillion dollars price tag to legitimize the 20 million plus Illegal’s who have already settled here? All patriotic Americans, citizens or legal residents and should join your local TEA PARTY chapter. The Tea Party is the people’s party and it welcomes every citizen and lawful resident who came to America legally. On the American Patrol website, covers the illegal alien issue, but a daily helping of the e-media from the National media, revealing everything that is against “the Rule of law’ and the sovereignty of this nation, constantly apathetic by Obama people.
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Art Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 8:36 am
Uh, oh.
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JohnBernardBooks says:
Nothing will change until you rid the government of democrats.
Some democrat thought it was a good idea to advertise on the Texas Health Services website that tou do not have to be a US Citizen to get goodies. How stupid, no wonder dems haven’t won a statewide office since 1994.
“Live in Texas. WIC clients usually receive services in the county where they live. U.S. citizenship is not a requirement for eligibility.”
How stupid stupid stupid.
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Longhornfan says:
Dave F, If the Texas economy is so bad that even the wet backs who are here are leaving and those who would come are having second, third, and tenth thoughts!
Let’s all rejoice! Thank God for Gov. Ooops Perry and his leadership of the economy of Texas!
God forbid if despite his policies, Texas would ever return to a region where illegals would risk their lives and freedom to cross into our border for $7.25 per hour.
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Blue Dogs Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:53 am
Longhornfan, watch your language and keep the racist comments at a minimum.
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Simon says:
You can pass all the laws you want.
You can build all the walls you can afford.
You can post soldiers every fifty feet on the border.
But the only thing that slows the tide of illegal immigration is economics. Everything else is a wasted effort.
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el_longhorn Reply:
April 29th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
That’s the most intelligent comment in this whole thread.
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anita Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Agreed.
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John Johnson Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 7:43 am
If you keep your kitchen counter clean a few ants might show up, but if you leave some spilled sugar, you have a whole host of them running to and fro. Jobs and freebies are spilled sugar; citizenship to children born to aliens in the U.S. is spilled sugar.
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anita Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Not really . . . the ‘spilled sugar’ is actually a trail laid by a number of industries who don’t want to pay wages that citizens would demand, nor maintain working conditions that are a tenet of our society. Agriculture, meat production, home building/construction, janitorial services — all of these industries seek and utilize non-citizen labor.
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John Johnson Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Damn, Anita, spilled sugar is spilled sugar; an incentive offered by anyone for any reason is an incenitve. What about this do you not understand? You keep wanting to add “yeah, but’s”, but it is already reduced to its lowest denominator. They come for the sugar and really don’t care whose hand is broadcasting it.
Col. Mike Kirby Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Damn Anita, stop correcting grandpa when he’s wrong. It’s impolite and you are going to confuse him with your facts.
John Johnson Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Hail to the King of ad hominem posts. Giving credit, where credit is due…I salute you.
Col. Mike Kirby Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
It’s obvious that you and JBB are the same person. No two people could be that irony impaired.
Anonymous Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 10:04 am
You are correct Simon.
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anita Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
If you can’t acknowledge that the biggest enticement for illegal immigration is a job, when a job is unavailable in the immigrant’s country of origin, you’ll never be able to address the issue.
But let’s be honest — as JBB and others demonstrate daily — it motivates voters to claim that illegals are getting government benefits, when it is illegal to give any benefits to illegals. Similarly, it motivates voters to claim that women are getting government-funded abortions on demand, when it is illegal for the government to pay for abortions.
The truth really doesn’t matter anymore.
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Pennyforyourthought Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Anita, I have said not enforcing laws on the books is the principal reason we have problems. Hiring illegals is against the law. What more can I say? The meat packers and chicken pluckers are sprinkling sugar. They are breaking the law.
JohnBernardBooks says:
Economics is a major part of illegals coming here, but what most people are against is the democrats insisting illegals get taxpayers dollars.
From the Texas Health Services Website:
“Live in Texas. WIC clients usually receive services in the county where they live. U.S. citizenship is not a requirement for eligibility.”
Stupid, atupid, stupid.
Two states, Az and OK, have stopped benefits to illegals and magically they disappear.
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el_longhorn says:
You know what the IC part stands for in WIC? Infant children. As in US citizen infant children. The benefits are for the kids, given to them through their mother.
This is a very pro-family policy, for those that actually care about families.
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 6:03 am
what part of illegal did you not understand?
You’re advocating “illegals” come here to have their babies and get tax dollars? How low will dems go to get back into power? No wonder dems haven’t won a statewide office in Texas since 1994.
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Flip Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Let’s make all this retroactive to when JBB’s parents immigrated here……
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el_longhorn Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:11 am
No. I am just acknowledging the reality that the kids are US citizens and will be sticking around. So might as well make sure they are healthy and educated, as all US kids should be.
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Blue Dogs Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 9:53 am
Bernard, you need to accept the reality that sooner or later, Latinos are going to be the nation’s majority in 30 years and Texas is likely to elect a Latino governor down the road.
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:23 am
A latino Guv? What about a latina Guv?
Just because democrats have created a new county Hispanoamerica doesn’t mean that Mexicans, Spaniards,Puerto Ricans, Cubans, or South Americans believe them.
Distinguished Gentleman Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:41 am
Blue Dogs, you say “…Latinos are going to be the nation’s majority in 30 years…”
Did you actually mean that Latinos are going to the the STATE’S majority?
I don’t anticipate Latinos as the majority of the population in cold, northern states such as Minnesota, for example.
Jerry Only Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:49 am
mandatory abortions for all illegals would stop this, dont you agree?
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vietvet3 says:
Pathetic, phony debate. Both parties are corrupt, co-opted, and corporati$$ed.
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Kenneth D. Franks says:
No one I know is advocating for “illegals,” to come here to have children. The illegal immigration problem was caused by mostly wealthy people not wanting to pay a fair wage. They encouraged illegals to come here to work on their chicken farms and other places where they could hide them out and pay them less than citizens.
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John Johnson Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 11:51 am
See above, KD Franks. You and Anita are having a hard time getting a grasp of this, I’m afraid. 60,000+ illegals delivered children in Texas last year on the taxpayer’s dollar. The “sugar” is the free medical care and the citizenship for their child. No one has to advertise and put up signs along the border to “advocate” or promote the benefits. Word of mouth and having citizenship papers in hand for their baby is all that is needed.
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anita Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Uhh, actually, they get FREE medical care in Mexico.
But yes, American hospitals do perform charity care, for citizens and non-citizens. And doctors will typically assist a non-citizen mother in birth. What options do they have — should they let the mother bleed to death at a bus stop? Should they kick out a newborn to struggle to survive on a cold park bench? Ask any doctor and they’ll tell you they have a moral and ethical obligation to care for a human, regardless of their immigration status.
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John Johnson Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Don’t know why I waste my time responding to you. You are going to hold onto your weak position in any argument and never consider what others have to say. How many of the 60,000+ births do you think were emergency situations as opposed to routine? How many were planned births in U.S. hospitals before they left Mexico? The vast majority. Your turn.
Anonymous Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
If you remove sugar (the automatic U.S. citizenship) from the situation, their would not be 60k illegal mothers flooding into our hospitals.
Distinguished Gentleman Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:57 am
To “Anonymous” on April 30th at 6:45 p.m., assuming that the Federal Constitution’s 14th Amendment was validly ratified (and there actually is some scholarly disagreement as to whether that particular Amendment’s ratification process in the 1860′s was indeed conducted properly) then the only way to “remove sugar”, as far as automatic citizenship by birth, is to change the provisions of the 14th Amendment.
It would require an amendment to the United States Constitution to repeal automatic citizenship-by-birth on U.S. soil.
Anonymous Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 3:22 pm
I think we all understand that, DG. It been done before…and it didn’t take much time to get it done.
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Anonymous says:
It is economics. Our citizens will not do these jobs, even for $15 an hour. I know. They are not tough enough. They want to be inside with a computer making lots of money and not busting their rear outside. There is a lack of workforce to meet the needs of business not on in Texas, but the US. Do you not want a secure food source from this Country? How much do you want to pay for hamburger with all the sides. Take your political bantering and stick it. 90% on the comments on this post are not accurate, its just something you have read, heard in a campaign speach or info someone told you. You are not smart and you have no idea on the maginitue of this debate. I know, I know “what part of illegal do you not understand”. Come on, give me another one. What other tag line can you give us today? Let me help “they send all their money back home” – wait, here is another one – “they are taking jobs away from Americans” Good grief.
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Anonymous Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 11:59 am
I don’t deny that there are jobs for illegals that others “won’t do”. High schools kids used to carry mud to brick masons, shingle roofs, and mow yards. Now, they don’t want to do “wetback labor”. Their parents don’t want them doing “wetback labor”. They sit on their asses all summer, doing nothing.
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Flip Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
So all this is lazy kids fault. A new GOP platform item: “Laziness is killing freedom”.
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Kenneth D. Franks says:
I have done some of these jobs. Yes, they are hard work but there citizens that will do many of them. For the others we should or could have guest worker programs.
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Anonymous Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
The US citizens who will do hard work get drunk most of the time. The anglo workers I have will bust their ass for 2-3 weeks then drink the next week or so and end up in jail for the 3rd week. While the illegal is working the whole time saying “yeah boss man what you want me next”. Its just a fact, you can ask anyone who actually hires people to do real work – not push paper at the capitol like most of you on here.
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Flip Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 8:37 am
Most of thos white drunks voted for Perry.
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Omar Little Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 12:35 pm
For those who fume at the fact that illegals prosper here, blame this guy.
He’s one of your own, you know.
He relies on cheap labor for his livelihood – and hates the government judging by his insult.
While you’re screaming and begging the government to do more and deport illegals.
You can’t have it both ways. You gotta pick one:
1. Cheap labor that boosts businesses’ profit margin.
2. Higher labor costs with less profit.
But you can’t blame liberals, democrats or the President for not fixing the “problem” when your side can’t even agree that there is a problem much less come close to an agreement on a solution.
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John Johnson says:
I am an advocate for the U.S. taking control of the situation. I am an advocate for enforcing the law as written. If the law needs changing, change it, but turning a blind eye, as this current administration is doing, and pounding on AZ for doing the fed’s work for them, is just plain wrong.
I have sympathy for the Alabama immigrant school children in my daughter-in-law’s classes yanked up and moved to Mexico or other states when they passed strict immigrant laws. I have read the reports about tomatos and other crops withering on the vine because the Alabama farmers could not keep citizen workers on the job after the illegal workers left.
We either pay more for labor and consumer prices rise, or we set up a managable migrant worker program. Are there other choices? I don’t think so. Who’s going to get us off high center?
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John Johnson Reply:
April 30th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
And as President Bush and his admin did…and the one before him…and ….
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Kenneth D. Franks Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 7:48 am
Someone here has a few phrases he uses over and over and never discusses the actual issue. It’s just dem this and dem that.
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Jerry Only Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 10:53 am
do you honestly think, JJ, that after the R’s have demagogued this issue to death, that they will provide any sort of meaningful reform if theyre elected in office? the base will revolt if its anything other than shooting immigrants on site.
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John Johnson Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:48 am
Jerry, I honestly don’t know. We have heard all sorts of “fixes” proposed by Repub presidential candidates recently. I believe that most now are pushing for some sort of modified amnesty program.
It’s was tough hearing that a sharp little six year old Mexican girl in Alabama, who was in my grandson’s class, and at his school birthday party that I attended, was pulled out of school and left town with her family shortly thereafter for points unknown. The best bakery and source of good, fresh tortillas in their town is now an empty building.
If the issue becomes personal to you, and not just ideological, most peoples’ attitudes will change. Mine has.
The poor people looking for a better life are not to blame. I would do the same. It started with lax law enforcement. A few crossed the border with no problem; they found jobs with no problem; they set up residences with no problem; and they sent money home with no problem; they conceived kids born as U.S. citizens with no problem; and paying for it all was no problem, because it was free.
Others saw how easy it was and how profitable it was, and the numbers grew…all because we did not
enforce border security and immigration laws already on the books.
I don’t know what we do about those already here, but I do know that we need to remove all the carrots we dangle to entice others to illegally cross our borders. As this thread suggests, our economy is already taking care of this to some extent.
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Jim says:
@anon 10:17, frustrated you can’t get your slave labor, eh?
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 6:29 am
“@anon 10:17, frustrated you can’t get your slave labor, eh?”
That sums up it, dems cannot discuss an issue.
Dems advertising for illegals with handouts so they will become slaves to the dem party.
They believe the issue is who will make the illegals slaves?
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John Johnson says:
“You never change anyone’s mind after arguing with them.” Thomas Jefferson
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I'm Pavlov. Ring a Bell? Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 8:06 am
That’s not true, my wife changes my mind all the time. Almost every time we argue, as a matter of fact.
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John Johnson Reply:
May 1st, 2012 at 11:12 am
How do we get word to Jefferson?
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Blue Dogs says:
John Bernard Books, Nevada has Brian Sandoval and New Mexico has Susana Martinez as governors, both from the GOP.
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JohnBernardBooks says:
You didn’t know, most states have republican guvs.
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Blue Dogs Reply:
May 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Florida also elected a Latino governor in 1986 with Bob Martinez (R), who some consider one of the Sunshine State’s worst governors ever in state history.
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JohnBernardBooks says:
Illegals do not even have to live in the US to get money from the Obama admin:
“Undocumented workers have been taking advantage of a loophole called the Additional Child Tax Credit, a fully-refundable credit of up to $1,000 per child that was intended to help working families with children living at home. Not only are they claiming children within the U.S., they are also claiming children in Mexico.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/30/irs-loophole-for-illegals-children-costs-taxpayers-billions/#ixzz1tiz8QHwl
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BCinBCS says:
I’ve been lurking on this site for a long time and since Paul is on vacation, I thought that I would propose a solution to a problem rather than hurl insults or mindlessly repeat propaganda from Fox News or MSNBC. This will give us mice something to discuss while the cat is away.
I present to you a solution to the illegal immigration problem.
To get a workable solution, one must fully understand the problem. Alabama has shown that without immigrant workers, crops will not get harvested. The same is true for other labor-intensive, hard, boring work. Some have stated that the solution is simply to increase wages until they are high enough to attract workers. On the surface this sound like a workable solution, the consequence of which would only be an increase in the cost of vegetables, meats, etc. Unfortunately, in a global economy, this high priced produce and meat would be rapidly replaced by less expensive produce and meat imported from countries with cheap production costs and labor (probably the same countries from which our illegal immigrants originate). These imports would cause massive failure of American farms and businesses because they would not be able to compete with the cheaper imports (analogous to what happened to the steel industry).
The solution is to have a guest worker program. With this program, any foreign national could enter the country as long as they: obtain a biometric (fingerprint, iris scan, etc.) I.D. card; obtain work within a reasonable amount of time; and return to their home for at least two weeks every year.
Problems for the state, the employer and the immigrant are solved with this simple plan. The state now has a record of every non-citizen that is in the country, can exclude criminals and can collect all applicable taxes. The employer has a ready supply of cheap, dependable, hard-working labor that will not be a threat to the company because of immigration raids or because of bankruptcy due to high labor costs. The immigrant, having an I.D., can now use the banking system, obtain a driver’s license, work without using a false name or false documents and not have to worry about being deported.
This system also solves the problem of immigrants overstaying their time in the U.S. Most immigrants come to America to get a job so that they can send money back to their family or to save a nest egg to buy some land, a house or a business in their home country. Since it is so hard, expensive and dangerous to illegally enter this country, most do not routinely return to their homes once they arrive here. Doing what comes naturally, they meet someone (frequently a citizen), marry and have children, further impeding their return to their homeland.
Under this program illegals must return to their country, thereby reestablishing ties to their home, family and friends and, if they want, easily, safely and cheaply re-enter the U.S after the mandatory waiting period, using their government issued I.D. card. Once they have accomplished their goals, they have every incentive to permanently leave this country, to live in their homeland, amongst their native people and, because of the low cost of living, in an elevated lifestyle rather than living illegally in America, a foreign land, away from family and friends and, because of the high cost of living, in poverty.
What do you think about this program? I know it might be asking too much, but I would prefer only constructive criticism and advice. Remember, you will never solve a complex problem if you cannot be flexible and accommodate another person’s ideas.
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John Johnson says:
I don’t think this is a new idea. I believe this is the way our initial migrant worker program was structured and one which put Chavez into the limelight.
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rw says:
BCinBCS: I believe the solution you’re mentioning is basically part of the same one that President Bush and the Cato Institute recommended a few years ago which is a good solution. Like most major problems, neither party has the leadership and courage to implement it.
The Republicans in Congress make a huge mistake by not rallying around President Bush in general.
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