GOP electors go off the reservation
The internal rifts within the Republican party are getting more frequent and more serious. From an AP story in yesterday’s Statesman:
At least three Republican electors say they may not support their party’s presidential ticket when the Electoral College meets in December to formally elect the new president, escalating tensions within the GOP and adding a fresh layer of intrigue to the final weeks of the White House race.
Supporters of Ron Paul have expressed their frustration against the Republican Party’s refusal to give them a voice in their own party. The Associated Press reports: “’They’ve never given Ron Paul a fair shot, and I’m disgusted with that. I’d like to show them how disgusted I am,’ said Melinda Wadsley, an Iowa mother of three who was selected a Republican elector earlier this year. She said she believes Paul is the better choice and noted that the Electoral College was founded with the idea that electors wouldn’t just mimic the popular vote.”
The electors — all are supporters of former GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul — said they are exploring options should Mitt Romney win their states.
One of the electors who is threatening to go rogue is from Texas. Her name is Billie Zimmerman, and she calls the RNC “a shocking display of deception and treachery and cheating.”
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And another report, this one from the Web site AllVoices.com, about how America could end up with a Republican president and Democrat for vice president:
This may seem like a far-fetched idea, but it is possible. As the rift within the Republican Party continues, this unexpected possibility is rearing its head. This may be the best chance our nation has to re-establish a sense of unity instead of allowing further division to continue to grow.
Supporters of Ron Paul have expressed their frustration against the Republican Party’s refusal to give them a voice in their own party. The Associated Press reports: “’They’ve never given Ron Paul a fair shot, and I’m disgusted with that. I’d like to show them how disgusted I am,’ said Melinda Wadsley, an Iowa mother of three who was selected a Republican elector earlier this year. She said she believes Paul is the better choice and noted that the Electoral College was founded with the idea that electors wouldn’t just mimic the popular vote.”
At least three electors for the Republican Party have expressed this sentiment. This raises some new concerns for the party as well as voters nationwide. At this time, no formal discussions have been held by Paul supporters on a national level.
So how would we end up with a Republican president and a vice president from the Democratic Party? If Romney or President Obama fail to receive the necessary Electoral College votes in December, it would force the House to determine who wins the presidency. If the House were to remain in the control of the Republican Party, they would most likely elect Romney. The Senate would then be called upon to elect the Vice President. If the Democrats maintain control over the Senate, they would most likely elect Joe Biden. This would leave America with a Republican president and a vice president who is a Democrat.
The Associated Press reports, “The last time multiple electors defected was in 1896, when William Jennings Bryan was the presidential candidate of both the Democratic Party and the People’s Party, with both parties choosing different vice presidential picks. Twenty-seven electors in that race chose the People’s Party ticket, even though it didn’t win the popular vote.”
Voters have always considered the votes cast by the electors as symbolic. However, laws are in place in approximately one half of the nation to require electors to cast their vote with their party, leaving the electors in remaining states with the power to cast their vote the way they choose. However, for example, the law in Nevada carries no punishment for failure to comply. This may leave America in a situation that would be extraordinary, to say the least.
Electors have started to speak out on this issue. Nevada’s electors are a unique group. Four of the six slots are filled by Ron Paul supporters. Jesse Law is one of them. The Associated Press reports: “Jesse Law, an elector and Paul supporter, said he may have qualms with Romney but has always intended to cast his electoral vote for the party nominee. ‘I just want to beat Obama,’ Law said. But Ken Eastman may not cast his Nevada electoral vote for Romney, if the former Massachusetts governor wins the state. Eastman said he wants to explore options with Republican leaders in Clark County, a group now dominated by Paul supporters. ‘I’m undecided at this point,’ Eastman said, adding that he’s ‘pretty disgusted’ with the national Republican Party and how it has worked to suppress Paul’s grassroots movement. He said the GOP has not been open to an influx of people with different ideas.”
Nevada’s Ken Searles expressed interest in casting his vote for Paul if it would not affect the final outcome of the election as a method of protest against his party. Billie Zimmerman, an elector from Texas, called the RNC a “shocking display of deception and treachery and cheating.” Zimmerman is undecided on how to cast her vote. Alaska’s Kathleen Miller has also expressed the possibility of casting a vote for Paul if it would not affect the final outcome of the election. Her vote would be cast in protest against leaders of the Republican Party’s “shenanigans.”
To win the election, a candidate must receive 270 of the 538 electoral votes. In 1825, the House selected John Quincy Adams when none of the candidates received the number of votes that were necessary. Electors have cast votes outside their party’s line in more recent history as well. In 2004, John Edwards received one elector vote in Minnesota. In 2000 an elector abstained in protest of what was perceived as a lack of congressional representation in their district.
As we rapidly approach the Presidential election of 2012, this new possibility will make voters stop to ponder the idea of a White House split between the parties. Although this possibility does not seem realistic, it leaves one wondering if this might be just exactly what our nation needs. If we have leaders setting the example of working together, it may set the bar for Americans nationwide.
Tagged: 2012
Ben Quick says:
we love America! and the Political system?
reminds me of the James Dean group
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Who cares? says:
Maybe if Ron Paul actually supported the Republican Party, voters would be willing to support him. He’s like the child who constantly needs attention when around others. He’s lost how many Republican primaries, and how many times has he actually supported the Republican candidate? He endorsed multiple candidates in 2008. One of which was the crazy Cynthia McKinney.
He wants attention. That’s all. His son Rand Paul has more of a chance to be the nominee because he’s willing to fight with the Republican Party.
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Robert Morrow Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
See my comments below.
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Blue Dogs Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at 10:37 am
My message to the Ron Paul folks is this: STOP BITCHING and unite behind Romney.
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Ben Quick says:
that should have been Howard – a slip?
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Distinguished Gentleman says:
Just another reason to have direct election of the President and Vice-President, instead of the out-dated Electoral College, which should be abolished as soon as possible.
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Blue Dogs Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at 10:38 am
That will NEVER ever happen.
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Distinguished Gentleman Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
You are not able to predict the future, Blue Dogs.
Some day, direct election of President and Vice President indeed COULD happen.
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Robert Morrow says:
I have a scorched earth policy with the Republican party, especially the Mitt Romney campaingn and the RNC. I personally am rooting for Obama to win and maybe the GOP to take the Senate so both sides can twist themselves into knots.
Billie Zimmermn is the mother of Don Zimmerman, for SREC from SD 14. Billie Zimmerman is also a very fine lady. She calls the RNC “a shocking display of deception and treachery and cheating.”
I do agree and the Republican party needs to pay for it in a big way. They way I take it out on them is in the general election, not with the electors.
Also, I have been watching all the unhinged comments on the War Channel lately (aka FOX). The barking hysteria of Michelle Malkin, Sean Hannity who likes to pal around with terrorist Oliver North. Then Col Ralph Peters who wants to kill 400 of “the enemy” (whoever they are) for every 4 Americans killed.
The sum total of all this war mongering from the GOP along with the continual dirty tricks played on and cheating of the Ron Paulers during the entire primary process adds up to we need to do everything we possibly can to stop Mitt Romney in the general election.
The GOP has not learned its lessons & maybe they are incapable of learning lessons, in which case we may have to go neocon on them.
I wish I had some more venom to direct to the GOP, but fingers are tired of typing …
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Robert Morrow Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Here is Billie Zimmerman’s real estate web site -
http://www.zimmermanrealestateteam.com/
She is fine, well respected lady. Hates taxes, too.
Maybe she could cast her electoral vote for me.
I think it is lovely that Romney has to sweat all this stuff out. Maybe Romney “wins” the general election 270-268 … except that for 3 Ron Paul electors decide to vote for Captain Kangaroo. So Obama wins 268, Romney 267 and Captain Kangaroo dials in at 3.
This is better than most porn fantasies.
Btw, I am convinced that Rick Perry will be voting for Gary Johnson when he steps in the booth.
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WUSRPH Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Only if some member of his staff tells him who Johnson is before the election. You really do not expect Gov. Oops to know that himself do you?
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WUSRPH Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
I know I have said way, much more than I should…but one more:
I have always found it humorous that people in the real estate/home building “industries” (such as Ms. Zimmerman) can be such big Government HATERS, when their professions are SO, SO DEPENDENT on evil “SOCIALIST” programs such as the FHA, VA, Fanny-mae, govt. provided tax exemptions and, most recently, the Federal Reserve buying up mortgages to keep the interest rate down…and on and on program after program.
It is an overwhelming example of hypocrisy at its worst.but, of course, they believe they are “independents” with no reliance on evil govt. in any way…Isn’t it funny how easy it is for them to delude themselves.
Tim Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
I’ve always been baffled why libertarians took up with the Republicans. Blue-dog Democrats look a lot more like libertarians than a Republican does.
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Terry Nixon Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Don’t worry. Romney and his smirk is as gone as the NRO.com contributors and Rich Lowry are. Rest easy!!
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Tex says:
Amen Morrow, your not as crazy as I thought.
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
liberals think like morrow…oh yeah!
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Robert Morrow says:
“A candidate must receive an absolute majority of electoral votes (currently 270) to win the Presidency. If no candidate receives a majority in the election for President, or Vice President, that election is determined via a contingency procedure in the Twelfth Amendment,”
So maybe if Romney & Obama are tied at 269-269, one of the Ron Paulers votes for Obama. You have to have 270 or else it goes to the House of Representatives I think.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)
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Distinguished Gentleman says:
So, if it goes to the House of Representatives, then Romney would be declared the winner assuming, of course, that the House remains in Republican control.
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WUSRPH Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
The House could be under GOP control and Romney could still lose because the voting in the House is “by state” with each state getting a single vote not by how many of the total house are members of his party. Thus, the Republicans could win every single congressional race in the South and still get only 13 votes…In states where the delegation is split, the party with the most House seats wins…no matter how many people in that state voted for the other guy. This could even happened if he eventual loser in the House vote carried the state in the popular vote…altho some congressmen migth feel obligated to follow the will of the voters, there is nothing to make them do it….Another wasted history lesson
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Indiana Pearl Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Dream on, folks! Check out Nate Silver’s blog 538 in the NYT. This isn’t going to the electoral college. Dem voters will not tolerate another debacle like the 2000 election.
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Tex says:
Ummm, JBB, you are hilarious. Comparing Morrow with Obama, really? You neo-cons are simply amazing. Too bad Perry didn’t make it to the White House so we could re-invade Iraq. You guys are brilliant.
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Anonnymoose Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Don’t feed the trolls.
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WUSRPH Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
I know he would want to do it, but I wonder where Gov. Oops would get the troops to invade Libya…since he had already called for staying in Iraq PLUS attacking Iran and invading Mexcio…What I am sure of is that he would always find “reasons of state” that would keep him from leading the troops over the top…That is what virtually all the GOP leaders (sic) except for Daddy Bush and John McCain (and Sam Johnson of Texas) have done since the Korean War….while was the Kerrys (both of them)and the Robbs were doing the fighting…
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Terry Nixon Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Love it Tex. Talk about delusional–can he read a poll?
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 16th, 2012 at 7:33 am
why would dems want to reinvade Iraq so they can declare it lost again?
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Tex says:
JBB, etal?
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 6:48 am
I can read a democrat skewed poll reported by the liberal media but uninformed democrats fall for them everytime. Democrats leaders and the media think the average voter is stupid and they’re partially right. Pres Obama is one term and done.
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WUSRPH says:
You know this happened once…in 1796 when John Adams wound up with his biggest political enemy, Thomas Jefferson, as his VP….Then we had Jefferson as president with Aran Burr as VP…That happened because the original system had the president being the top vote getter in the electoral college and made the second place candidate the VP. The back-to-back screwups in 1796 and 1800 were the reason the the Constitution was changed to make the election of President and VP separate. Jefferson spent most of his term as VP at home in Virginia plotting against Adams…Burr spent his being tried for treason (acquited) and killing Alexander Hamilton….I would expect better from Joe Biden.
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JohnBernardBooks says:
Yanno the conservatives are gonna have to rethink this war thingy, after we’re attack and we win, liberals surrender.
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WUSRPH Reply:
September 14th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
I guess that explains Eisenhower agreeing to a truce in Korea and Nixon pulling out of Vietnam…I never knew that they were liberals until your comment…but, then, you are always right, aren’t you.
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 6:44 am
learn history, immediately after the US won the Tet Offensive, Democrat Sen Church declared “the war is lost” much like the Honorable Democrat Majority Leader Harry Reid declaring “the war is lost in Iraq.”
Dems excel at losing they revel in it, its a character trait.
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Alan says:
This kind of thing is emblematic of the circus the GOP has become. The Paulites and the Tea Partiers launching one insurrection after another, Romney the Establishment pick firing shots at Obama in the dark and shooting himself in the foot – this isn’t the orderly, fall-in-line GOP.
Richard Nixon is rolling in his grave seeing his party being driven off a cliff by rowdy protesters and contrarian college kids.
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WUSRPH says:
The Burr-Jefferson screw-up was the result of both of them getting the same number of votes. This threw the choice into the U.S. House of Represenatives where, with of all things his enemy Alexander Hamilton helping, Jefferson won. The House got to make the choice again in 1824 when it chose John Qunicy Adams over Andrew Jackson…Since then we have avoided this kind of mess…Although we came very close with Hays-Tilden where they avoided going to the House by making a deal to have the electors pick Hays, the Republican, in exchange for pulling Union troops out of the South and ending Reconstruction. That’s your history lesson for the day.
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Tex says:
JohnBernardBooks says:
“Yanno the conservatives are gonna have to rethink this war thingy, after we’re attack and we win, liberals surrender.”
JBB, your ability to express yourself through your writing is simply stunning. I’m guessing you were a speechwriter for Strom Thurmond.
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 6:39 am
I know its my “gay” side coming out
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WUSRPH says:
When it comes down to it it these folks hate President Obama so much that they will wind up voting for Mitt any way. They will talk the big move but “save the country from socialism” if it will make the difference when it comes down to the time to vote. Of course, it looks more like that they will be free to cast their protest votes, if they get the chance, because they would not be enough to put Romney over the top any way. Too bad…It might make it as interesting as the 2000 election…I would love to see it Scalia would do it again..but, it being him, I doubt he would hesitate for a second.
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 16th, 2012 at 7:43 am
“When it comes down to it it these folks hate President Obama so much”
No one knows why liberals aren’t logical we just know they aren’t.
Real Americans don’t like his policies, the out of control spending, his DOJ ignoring our laws and did mention his foreign policies?
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Tex says:
I’d love to see Romney win the “popular” vote and lose the “college” vote. The “Gore Revenge.”
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Gary D says:
There is a long tradition of electors voting their conscience. Good for them. How long must we put up with this stupid electoral college system? Support the National Popular Vote State Compact which has about half the states needed. http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
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WUSRPH says:
If you do away with the electoral college the candidates and parties will be free to absolutely ignore what the voters want in a majority of the states. All you would have to do is concentrate on a selected group of states to win…no other states votes would make any difference…Today you have to at least go after a few of the marginal states to win…
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Distinguished Gentleman Reply:
September 18th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
That is how it is NOW, WITH the Electoral College, WUSRPH.
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Indiana Pearl says:
I want what you’re having . . .
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 15th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
I know you do but welfare won’t get you there….
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JohnBernardBooks says:
lemme see do I follow the our forefather’s lead or the pedants on the left? I know it’s a tuff decision….
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Robert Morrow says:
The “right” especially on neocon foreign policy has become discredited. It was scary to listen to chickenhawk militarist Mitt Romney this week and the spittle tossing commentators on the War Channel (FOX) this week. They want to attack/bomb/blow up something; killing in a 400 to 4 ratio.
“Five Reasons We Can’t Trust Romney With Our National Security”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/five-reasons-we-cant-trus_b_1884366.html
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Mayo Say Tongue says:
JBB is right, crazy looney is crazy looney – whether it be Obama and his people on the left or Robert Morrow and the Zimmerman’s on the crazy libertarian cliff. Insane is insane.
They all need lithium, counseling and electroshock therapy.
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Showmethe$ says:
Mayo, Nice. You and your American Taliban friends rock. I bet you can’t wait to put all of us that don’t agree with you in your re-education camps.
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JohnBernardBooks says:
re-education camps….hehehe
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Robert Morrow says:
Here is CIA David Dewhurst on (CIA) Obama:
“Our sympathy is extended to the families of Ambassador Stevens and the three Americans who were murdered in Libya. America must deliver a clear, immediate and overwhelming response to these attacks.
The Obama Administration has weakened our nation’s fine military and intelligence agencies, and this tragedy will only embolden our enemies. Americans deserved better, Mr. President.”
http://www.facebook.com/dewhurstfortexas
So what does Mr. Tough Retalitory Response Dewhurst want us to do? Start bombing areas in Libya indescriminately? Murder a few hundred innocent civilians? Like Reagan did in Lebanon after the bomb blew up the Marine barracks in the early 1980′s? The Navy just started bombing neighborhoods.
Note: Ronald Reagan made a quick exit from the Middle East after that.
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paulburka Reply:
September 16th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
I totally agree with Mr. Morrow about Dewhurst’s commentary. This was a gratuitous attempt to use the tragic deaths of patriotic Americans to score points against Barack Obama. As such, it was inappropriate for a state official who has no portfolio to engage in foreign affairs to attack the president of the United States. To resort to pandering political rhetoric, as Dewhurst did, demeans Dewhurst, not the president. Reagan made the wise decision to leave Lebanon immediately after the bombing of the Marine barracks. Reagan’s judgment was always informed by his Hollywood experience: Never do something that isn’t good box office. Getting out of Lebanon was good box office. Reagan knew it. What Dewhurst is suggesting–”a clear, immediate, and overwhelming response to these attacks”–is terrible box office. It raises far more problems than it solves. It prolongs the tensions in Libya rather than easing them. It raises tactical questions that can’t be answered. Respond against whom? In what way? With what exit strategy? Will “a clear, immediate, and overwhelming response to these attacks” improve the situation in Lebanon? Or will it make matters worse? Dewhurst doesn’t ask the right questions or offer any answers. I too extend sympathy to the families of Ambassador Stevens and the other Americans who were killed in Libya. It was a horrible situation. But it was a time to support the victims of the tragedy, not to blame the president of the United States. Dewhurst had his shot at being a United States senator and earning the right to speak out on these issues. He blew it. He should recognize that his assessment of the nation’s military capabilities are not of interest to very many people. This was not the moment for pandering. There is no legitimate reason for a downballot state politician to inject himself into a discussion of the condition of the nation’s military and intelligence agencies. I sincerely join everyone who mourns the loss of the patriotic Americans who were victims of the tragedy in Libya.
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Distinguished Gentleman Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Paul, is your comment yesterday at 2:07 p.m. off-topic for this particular posting?
If it is off-topic, then are you yourself guilty of violating your own recently-reiterated policies about posting issues that must be germane to the topic?
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JohnBernardBooks says:
draw the blinds lock the door turn on the gas it sucks to be a democrat.
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paulburka Reply:
September 16th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
JBB – No more of this. If you wish to make cogent political points, you are welcome to do so. If you just think it’s cute to demean Democrats, then take your commentary elsewhere. I’ve told you this before. This is not a forum for generalized bashing of Republicans or Democrats.
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hooah! Reply:
September 16th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Forget it Paul, that horse has long since bolted the barn and the barn has burned down. Unless you’re willing to have some REAL moderation around here, this place will continue to be a playpen for idiots and bereft of real discussion.
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Anonymous says:
Robert Morrow, I was hoping you could steer me in the right direction. I am seeing conflicting reports out of Lebanon (my home country) that the U.S. ambassador was raped by the Muslim mob before he was killed. Are any of your news sources reporting this?
Also, as a Lebanese descendant, I’d like to think Ronnie Reagan, Hezbollah, and Israel for destroying my home country.
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Robert Morrow says:
“U.S. ambassador was raped by the Muslim mob before he was killed” … I have no idea.
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José says:
‘As we rapidly approach the Presidential election of 2012, this new possibility will make voters stop to ponder the idea of a White House split between the parties. Although this possibility does not seem realistic, it leaves one wondering if this might be just exactly what our nation needs. If we have leaders setting the example of working together, it may set the bar for Americans nationwide.”
The essay from AllVoices.com is sweet but naïve. Can anyone envision President Obama and VP Ryan hugging and singing Kum-Bah-Yah? This isn’t an equal partnership, folks. Like any other member of the administration, the VP is expected to carry out the President’s agenda. A more likely result is that the Vice Presidency would become even more irrelevant than John Nance Garner ever imagined.
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Robert Morrow says:
Here you go, JBB. Have fun with it.
“Russian ships displayed at DNC tribute to vets”
http://www.navytimes.com/mobile/news/2012/09/navy-russian-warships-displayed-dnc-veterans-tribute-091112
On the last night of the Democratic National Convention, a retired Navy four-star took the stage to pay tribute to veterans. Behind him, on a giant screen, the image of four hulking warships reinforced his patriotic message.
But there was a big mistake in the stirring backdrop: those are Russian warships.
While retired Adm. John Nathman, a former commander of Fleet Forces Command, honored vets as America’s best, the ships from the Russian Federation Navy were arrayed like sentinels on the big screen above.
These were the very Soviet-era combatants that Nathman and Cold Warriors like him had once squared off against.
“The ships are definitely Russian,” said noted naval author Norman Polmar after reviewing hi-resolution photos from the event. “There’s no question of that in my mind.”
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JohnBernardBooks says:
you should have thrown the obvious 3rd, “U.S. ambassador was raped by the Muslim mob before he was killed”.
see how easy that was liberals?
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JohnBernardBooks says:
When FDR went to Yalta for the Crimea Conference he had so infuriated his State dept with his plans to worship Stalin, bow down to China, and punish Churchill that his State dept stayed behind.
At the Tehran conference FDR pledged his support to Iran.
Liberals learn your history and you want be so uninformed.
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Robert Morrow Reply:
September 16th, 2012 at 10:13 am
So what do you suggest: FDR fight war over post WWII boundary lines with both Russia and China?
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JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at 6:44 am
Both Patton and MacAuthur warned dems about Russia and China. Dems laughed and said but they’re our friends. How is that working out?
Appeasement never works.
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paulburka Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at 9:06 am
JBB — Did you read my warning to you yesterday? I’m serious about this. If you insist upon pointless commentary trashing Democrats, I’m going to remove your posts from the blog and send them to trash.
JohnBernardBooks Reply:
September 17th, 2012 at 10:01 am
no I didn’t read your warnings, did I upset some bored state workers?
John Johnson says:
All the civil posters are gone. Looks like a handful of diehards remain. Burka is threatening JBB for making harmless curt remarks about Dem’s, yet he still allows Morrow to submit vile, off topic comments at will as exemplified on the previous thread.
This blog is now a mere shadow of its former self. I have lost all respect for Paul. He has shown me that he has no backbone whatsoever.
He once called me an old codger. Well Paul is now showing signs of being a big sissy.
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Robert Morrow Reply:
September 16th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
JJ, do you know what is “off topic?” Personal attacks on me, that is off topic.
What would be interesting is measuring the numbers of web page hits on Burka Blog. I have a hunch that people read my stuff. Agree with me? Perhaps not, but I definitely bring some informative, interesting and entertaining topics to the fore.
I accept the personal attacks as a badge of honor; you take flak when you are over the target.
And more more thing – many of our *highest* elected officials (including those from Texas) are anything but civil. Some of them are murderous, criminal and the less malevalent of the lot are just outrageous hypocrites.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 16th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Tic tic. Tic toc. Tic toc. (this is the countdown to death of a blog site)
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Showmethe$ says:
“John Johnson says:
“All the civil posters are gone.” Really? So you think that Robert Morrow is non civil compared to your American Taliban friend JBB. Jeez, for God’s sake man. just look at JBB posts and Morrow posts.
Paul, love the blog. Keep it rolling.
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mr anon says:
John, if you aren’t happy here, I’m sure fortbendconservative.org would appreciate its inaugural reader.
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JohnBernardBooks says:
watching the dems whine….ahhh victory is sweet.
Now you bored state workers get to work.
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orale! says:
Billie Zimmerman and her husband have always been at odds with the party and part of the John Birchman society. Billie knew what she was doing when she was elected elector at CD 35 caucus but she probably never led anyone to believe she would go rogue. It’s time for these malcontents to find a new party and stop trying to hijack either party.
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