National Guard Troops on the Border

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It is one thing to institute a DPS “surge” on the border; it is quite another to send the National Guard there, a thousand strong, as Perry intends to do. What is the purpose of sending the Guard to the border? The National Guard is a military force. Is its mission military or humanitarian? Who is the giving the orders? What are the rules of engagement? Who is the enemy? Are the troops going to cross the border and invade a foreign country, as Pancho Villa did in Columbus, New Mexico, during the Mexican Revolution? Meanwhile, what happens to the refugees? And, by the way, what is this going to cost? These are good questions in search of answers.

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  • buyaclue

    Dog and pony show for the rubes. I predict it will be a huge success.

  • WUSRPH

    Can’t you just see the great photo ops? General Rick leading his troops onward to push the invaders back beyond the Sierra Madre Oriental to make America safe and, once and for all, establish a Cordon Sanitarie along our borders with the rest of the world. Canada watch out, you are next.

    Of course, because he is calling out the Guard the State of Texas is going to have to cover the cost…which could be as much, according to some estimates, as $400 million…but anything to make Rick look strong, handsome and like a leader.

    Perry talked about the possible need to send troops INTO Mexico to “help” the Mexican govt. fight the drug cartels when he ran for president the last time. So the idea of “send in the troops” is not new with him……But this time he has gone beyond talk….

    • Kozmo

      Yes, and all to impress the primary voters in Iowa and New Hamps., who are scared, presumably, at the idea of drug cartel infant criminals pouring over the Rio Grande unhindered.

      • Blue Dogs

        We also need to secure the Northern border too and do it with brute force if necessary.

        STATES’ RIGHTS NOW
        STATES’ RIGHTS TOMORROW
        STATES’ RIGHTS FOREVER!

        • Indiana Pearl

          I’m up on the Canadian border right now and I can assure you old white boys in Texas that there are NO Canadians rushing to get into NY state.

        • Gunslinger

          No we don’t.

          • Blue Dogs

            We need to secure both the Mexican and Canadian borders because we don’t want another 9/11 happening again. Besides, I’m sure there were terrorists planning on sneak through Canada, etc..

          • Gunslinger

            What does ‘securing the border’ mean to you? What would a ‘secure border’ look like?

          • WUSRPH

            East German frontier with the West…..

          • Beerman

            And, how about all those aliens sneaking in on Flying Saucers from outer space?

          • Kozmo

            The Canadians are massed like Zulu impis, on the march south, and nothing can stop them! Except Super Perry!

        • Beerman

          BD, DON’T YOU MEAN STATES RIGHTS EXCEPT FOR:
          Social Security, Medicare, VA benefits, flood relief, wild fire help, national defense from a Nuclear threat, bank failure bailouts, hurricane relief, food safety, etc etc etc.

          Kid, come back to the real world.

    • Blue Dogs

      You mean El Generalissimo Perry ?

    • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

      Thank goodness President Obama isn’t into photo ops…..hahaha

  • nickthap

    I’m sure it’ll be fantastic until someone gets shot.

  • jerry patterson

    This is a pittance. Almost exactly 100 years ago President Wilson sent 100,000 national guard soldiers from all over the US to protect our southern border with Mexico. The Texas legislature made large appropriations to provide for border security establishing new special Ranger units. There was a mass humanitarian exodus from Mexico because of violence between the various revolutionary groups (cartels?) who began to fight among themselves. There was smuggling of arms and cattle, and drugs (actually sotol whiskey). There were cross border raids by Francisco “Pancho” Villa forces killing Americans in Columbus NM, and several ranches in Texas. There were terrible tragedies such as occurred at Porvenir when The Texas Rangers and the US Army massacred 14 innocent unarmed men in the middle of the night after separating them from their families in the farming Village where they eked out an existence. Deja Vu all over again?

    • WUSRPH

      Don’t forget that we had seized Vera Cruz BEFORE Villa attacked the U.S. when Wilson refused to accept an apology for a local Mexican commander temporarily arresting some U.S. sailors. President Wilson was going “to teach Mexico a lesson”.

      • John Johnson

        Are the guardsmen even going to be armed? I heard they may not be. I understand that Perry’s calling up the guard only allows them to support other state entities already there…the DPS and TP&W officers. They can have no interaction with the Border Patrol unless Obama mandated it so. Chill out and wait and see what the details tell us. Yours, and quite frankly, Col. Patterson’s history lessons are interesting, but moot. We are addressing here, for the most part, unarmed women and children who are looking for someone to turn themselves in to. Are you expecting them to shoot kids off their rafts, or push them back into the river?

        • Blue Dogs

          I’d say bring back the Texas Sovereignty Commission just like the good ole days.

          • WUSRPH

            Your sarcasm is getting almost believable…..seems like you are tyring to out do JBB and he believes his stuff.

          • Blue Dogs

            WUSRPH, We need to secure our borders and stop the invasion NOW.

          • WUSRPH

            Who doesn’t believe that? I don’t know anyone….but you have to be sarcastic with some of this stuff.

        • Beerman

          JJ, well said, as usual.

        • Jon

          Are you expecting them to shoot kids off their rafts, or push them back into the river?

          Politico reporter Roger Simon is.

          (Roger’s out-of-state attitude towards Texas in general means his dislike of Rick Perry translates into the fact he doesn’t think twice about basically calling Texas National Guard members potential child killers. It’s why Wendy Davis fouled up so badly when she opted to run a campaign to please people like Simon and other New York-Washington-California media and political donor types.)

    • Kosmo

      Don’t have to go that far back: May. 1997, U.S. Marines killed 18 year old American, Esequiel Hernandez while he was herding goats near Redford, TX.

      • Kozmo

        I’m glad some mentioned this crime. Thanks, Kosmo (not to be confused with “Kozmo”).

    • Blue Dogs

      Commissioner Patterson, we need to send a strong message to both Mexico and Canada that we’re going to SECURE the borders with military force if necessary.

      • Beerman

        BD, maybe the USA could borrow the blueprint from North Korea on how to secure our borders?

        • Kozmo

          Yes, we should start shelling Nuevo Laredo! That will show ’em our Manly Resolve!

          • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

            I’ve noticed democrats who bomb the pentagon, police stations etc can become college professors, but democrats don’t want to put troops on the border. I guess its a matter of priorities

          • buyaclue

            Wow, even though there is extremely stiff competition, that may be the dumbest thing you’ve posted yet.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Oh, he never fails to entertain.

          • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

            Bill Ayers is a disgrace and a democrat.

          • Unwound

            Timothy McVeigh was a registered Republican, NRA member, and mass murderer. Whats your point?

          • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

            many liberals are republicans what’s your point?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Get back on your Atavan. You’re really lunatic these days.

  • Wilson James

    Slick Rick needs to throw some bones to the redmeat wingnuts to revitalize his failed Presidential hopes. Here ’tis.

    • Kozmo

      There’s always state money for stunts like this, but not for education, transportation, health and safety issues, or living wages for workers.

      Priorities, y’see.

  • Beerman

    Gov Oops, thanks a million, I feel so much safer now. In fact, the feeling is very similar to May, 1970, when Nixon sent the National Guard to help at Kent State………

    • WUSRPH

      Sorry, but as much as Nixon is justly disliked, he does not get the blame for Kent State. They guard was sent there by the Ohio governor…..Of course, it was Nixon’s actions the students were protesting when the Guard opened fire on them.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings.

      • Beerman

        I believe that you are right, thanks for correction.

        Also, I am a confident that the Texas National Guard would not shoot mothers/children, unlike what happen to college students in Ohio.

        • Jed

          yeah, you never can tell with ohio guardsmen.

          way more out of control than the texas types.

      • Blue Dogs

        Ohio Governor Jim Rhodes (R), was the one who sent the OH National Guard to Kent St.

  • José

    Who is paying for these troops? The expenses should be covered by Slick Rick’s campaign coffers.

  • John Johnson

    I will defer personal judgement until I see how they are utilized, but it has all the earmarks of being simply a political move that will get Perry more Hannity facetime. The guy is a charlatan. Can’t believe more can’t see through this man’s motives and actions.

    • Indiana Pearl

      He looks really lame tooting around the Rio Grande in a rubber boat.

      • WUSRPH

        You weren’t impressed by that machine gun over his shoulder. He had to hold that pose for 20 minutes to get the picture right for his campaign ads.

  • dpcesq

    And the self destruction of “Perry 2016″ begins. Only one thing is certain -Gov Oops will make a bad situation far worse.

    • Blue Dogs

      All of this is Obama’s fault.

      • Indiana Pearl

        When Dogs has an ingrown toenail, he blames it on Obama.

        Actually, it started in the 1980s during St. Ronnie’s reign. Do your homework.

        • Beerman

          My neighbor’s dog pooped on my front lawn this morning, that damn Obama, it’s his fault because he will not work with Congress to pass a law on dogs pooping……..probably because he is a Muslim born in Kenya?

          • Kozmo

            D__n that O___a! That dog of his came and pooped in MY yard today!

          • Beerman

            Saw it live on Fox News……

          • WUSRPH

            Then you have no one but yourself to blame for being so badly misinformed.

          • Beerman

            Sarcasm and a taunt toward the Fox propaganda machine…….

          • WUSRPH

            Actually, they can’t even get that right. When he was supposedly born there the town in question was park of Tanganyika (now Tanzania). It got moved into Kenya several years afterwards when both were granted their independence by the British who adjusted the map boundaries at the time.

          • Beerman

            Facts are not important to the TP’ers and Fox News. Those folks are proving that if you throw enough crap on the wall, that some of it will stick….and, of course that would be Obama’s fault….

  • Kozmo

    The BBC is reporting this initially like this: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28414189

    I find it hard to believe a quarter of a MILLION people are in now Texas prisons as “criminal aliens” as King Rick claims. This is surely a wild figure designed to stoke panic among suburban voters.

    I wish some investigative journalists would look into this whole affair, because I smell Mendacity all over the place. Fear-mongering and mendacity. What is the Guard really going to do down there? Act tough, play cards, drive around, wave guns, and waste taxpayer money?

    Texas has money to spare for police state work but ot for health care, unemployment benefits, schools, or transportation? This makes me sick and angry.

    • WUSRPH

      The folks at politifact looked into these claims when Dan Patrick was making them…..they found they more than doubtful….but that does no stop them from being made and believed by those who want to believe them

      So did the Texas Tribune and it found Patrick’s claims to be FALSE.

      http://www.texastribune.org/2014/07/17/truth-teller-dan-patrick-at-republican-convention/

      • Beerman

        It’s got to be true, I heard it on Fox News………..

        • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

          MSNBC….hahaha

  • Blue Dogs

    I support Governor Perry’s move on sending the National Guard to the border.

    I applaud this move and send ALL of the immigrants back where they came from; while we’re at it, let’s send those Haitian and other immigrants from the African countries back whether they belong!

    • Indiana Pearl

      Let’s let Dogs go back where he came from!

    • buyaclue

      The rubes are lapping it up, just as I predicted.

    • ReplyToCreepyOldGuy

      ‘Whether they belong!’ ? Did you mean, they’re not white, so gots to go whether here legally or not?

      • Beerman

        :-)

    • WUSRPH

      Does that mean we have to dig up your great grandparents and send them back?

      • Indiana Pearl

        Dogs doesn’t acknowledge his grandparents. He thinks he was a product of Immaculate Conception.

        • WUSRPH

          Actually, “Immaculate Conception” means “conceived without sin”, not conceived without sex. It is the Catholic dogma that Mary did not suffer from the effects of “Original Sin”. ..And it is clear that Dog has plenty of sin in him…both the original kind and those he worked hard to commit.

    • Kozmo

      Agreed! I will return immediately to Europe. Who’s coming with me? Time to give the land back to the rightful owners, the American Indian tribes. They are all sick of the way we’ve brought our criminality, disease, and foreign languages to their sacred soil.

  • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

    Democrats simply cannot understand what Guv Perry is doing as they cannot recognize leadership. However if President Obama had done this they would be cheering.

    • Blue Dogs

      If Obama had some BALLS and start being a leader by kicking out these illegal immigrants back to where they came from, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

      • WUSRPH

        If George Bush had not signed a law forbidding doing that we might not be in this mess….But he did and Obama has to live with it……

        a 2008 law signed by President George W. Bush makes it
        illegal for the U.S. to deport an unaccompanied minor, unless he is coming from a bordering country such as Mexico or Canada and can easily be handed over to officials from his homeland. Children who have made the long, dangerous journey from Honduras, El Salvador or Guatemala by themselves must be given a chance to appear before an immigration judge who will decide whether they would be in danger if they returned home. If so they will qualify as “refugees.” If not, they will be deported.

        While the children await a court hearing, the 2008 bill stipulates that the Department of Health and Human Services must hold them humanely until they can be released to a “suitable family member” in the United States.The law also mandates that HHS ensure “to the greatest extent practicable” that these detained children “have counsel to represent them in legal proceedings or matters” who can explain how to apply for asylum.

        Back in 2008, the law was intended to prevent immigration
        officials from inadvertently sending kids back to pimps and drug violence. For this reason, the bill passed with remarkable speed. Introduced on Dec. 9, 2008, it cleared the House and Senate on the 10th. President
        Bush signed it into law 13 days later.

        • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

          You mean it had nothing to do with the executive order known as the dream act signed by Obama in 2012? Wow the things I can learn here….

          • WUSRPH

            No in this specific instant….He was protesting that Obama wasn’t just sending them back….when he can’t do that because of the Bush Law….You are constantly attacking him for not enforcing the laws but here you seem to be saying that he should ignore the law. Or you are deliberately trying to confuse the facts of the situation by bringing up something that does not fit in this case. The question here is why he can’t send them back immediately, not why they may have come in the first place.

            This isn’t a new trend. CBP has seen an effective doubling in apprehensions of unaccompanied minors from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras for the past few years — even before DACA. The number jumped from just over 4,000 in 2011, to almost 10,500 in 2012, and 26,000 in 2013. This year the current number stands at 39,000 for the same three countries.

          • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

            Are you able to comprehend anything? The law Bush signed specifically addressed those under 14, the majority coming over the majority is over14, so it doesn’t apply.

          • WUSRPH

            That’s funny since THE LAW SAYS 18…but the truth has never bothered you.

            “‘(G) NOTIFICATION OF CHILDREN FOR INTERIM ASSISTANCE- Not later than 24 hours after a Federal, State, or local official discovers that a person who is under 18 years of age may be a victim of a severe form of trafficking in persons, the official shall notify the Secretary of Health and Human Services to facilitate the provision of interim assistance under subparagraph (F).’.”

            http://www.state.gov/j/tip/laws/113178.htm

            “The Department of Justice defines unaccompanied
            undocumented minors as “children, under the age of 18, who have no lawful immigration status in the United States and have no parent or legal guardian the United States to care for them.”

            “The term ‘unaccompanied alien child’ means one who:
            (A) has no lawful immigration status in the United States;
            (B) has not attained 18 years of age; and
            (C) with respect to whom–
            (i) there is no parent or legal guardian in the United States; or
            (ii) no parent or legal guardian in the United States is available to provide care and physical custody.
            See Homeland Security Act of 2002 § 462(g); 6 U.S.C. § 276(g); adopted by TVPRA § 235(g).” (The 2008 Law specifically says this definition applies.)

          • dave in texas

            Dude, stop feeding the troll.

          • WUSRPH

            I would but some easily misled person might believe him…..I guess when we are talking about JBB we have to add to the old saying about their being three kinds of liars: lairs, damn liars and statisticians and make it four kinds:

            liars, damn liars, statisticians and fanatics named JBB

            His pants are on fire so often he carries a fire extinguisher on a loop around his waist.

          • dave in texas

            Fair enough; that’s a good point.

          • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

            I often wonder why liberals who love NAMBLA can cite laws about children

          • WUSRPH

            Did that toilet flush again?

          • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

            Oh I don’t mind he’s a harmless old liberal on a government pension.

          • buyaclue

            On a government pension, you mean like Cheney and his little dog W?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Bush is a Fortunate Son.

          • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

            That’s funny I would have thought you would have used the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act (TVPRA), which the Senate passed by unanimous consent, and was signed by President George W. Bush

          • WUSRPH

            That is exactly what I did and it said 18….by reference to the Homeland Security Act, but then you have enough trouble reading simple things so you obviously can’t read a law. That’s what the first link is too, by the way.

            “filed by an unaccompanied alien child (as defined in section 462(g) of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 279(g))), ” is taken straight from the Wilbeforce Act.

            Since you can’t understand it, I will explain it to you very simply: that means that an unaccompanied alien child under the Wilberforce Act is to be the same as that term in defined in the Homeland Security Act and the Homeland Security Act says it is someone 18 or under. I am sorry that the truth is something you find hard to accept.

            But then as your pal Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov taught you “A lie told often enough becomes the truth.”

            So go water down your pants again….the flames are getting close to your privates.

          • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

            actually you used the Homeland security’s interpretation but lets not let facts get in the way

          • WUSRPH

            No I used EXACTLY WHAT THE Wilberforce Law SAID TO USE and the EXACT LANGUAGE OF THE LAW. Sorry, if it shoots down your little false claims but that’s just the way the truth is.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Can you keep more than one concept in your brain at one time?

          • WUSRPH

            Pants on Fire….Get the extinguisher.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Google “Reagan El Salvador Civil War Nicaragua.”

            You might learn something.

        • Beerman

          Don’t confuse JBB and his understudy BD with facts………you might get them off-script?

          • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

            what does a drunk racist pedophile know about being confused?

          • WUSRPH

            How’s your rehabilitative therapy coming? Do you still think you are “pretty”?

          • Unwound

            Doubtful, but I’m betting he still thinks Ted Cruz would pose for a photo with him.

          • Beerman

            Cruz staff will make sure that JBB does not get anywhere close to the Senator….that is a fact.

          • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

            actually you’re not entitled to your own set of facts, however you are allowed to have another beer.

          • WUSRPH

            At least he has FACTS, unlike you who lives by MYTHS.

          • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

            The question is why do you think I’m pretty?

          • WUSRPH

            You are the one who described yourself as being pretty.. I can only judge from your behavior and that is downright ugly.

          • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

            wow I’m ugly? do you read the garbage you write here?

          • Beerman

            One night at Cheers, Cliff Clavin said to his buddy, Norm Peterson:
            “Well, ya see, Norm, it’s like this.. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members! ; In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine! That’s why you always feel smarter after a few beers.

          • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

            I’ve known a lot of drunks like you, none were smart just drunk.

          • Beerman

            “I feel sorry for people who don’t drink. When they wake up in the morning, that’s as good as they’re going to feel all day.”
            Winston Churchill

          • Indiana Pearl

            JBB, many smart people can be drunk.

          • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

            Pearl you’ll never be smart but you can get drunk

          • WUSRPH

            You appear to know so much about sexual deviations….that it surely must be based on active experience.

        • Indiana Pearl

          Goes back to St. Ronnie, Nicaragua, Iran, Ollie North . . .

          • John Johnson

            Yeah, so what?

          • Indiana Pearl

            So you’re not considering why everything is the way it is now – Honduras has the highest murder rate in the WORLD! St. Ronnie started this mess, GWB exacerbated it, and it ain’t gonna be easy to unravel.

            By the way, we have two houses of Congress. Why aren’t the Repubes offering legislation?

        • John Johnson

          Please, please stop it. You just can’t help yourself. We all know now that Bush screwed up on several fronts. Using that as an excuse grows very old. Very, very old. Obama can push for the law to be changed. He can get it done in a heartbeat. He won’t right the wrong. It is stupid, and you are, too, for remaining his apologist.

          • buyaclue

            Why doesn’t congress change the law? The Congress is responsible for passing laws in this country. Not sure where you’re from that this must come from the president.

          • John Johnson

            That is a grade school post, Grasshopper. The President is the leader of his party. Normally, he has enough stroke to get his wishes granted. Is Reid running your party or Obama?

          • WUSRPH

            It is in the bill that Con. Cuellar and Sen. Cornyn have proposed, but the GOP House leaders say they are not going to pass a bill for some time to come. So it will have to wait. Obama originally suggested that the Bush law might have to be changed, but has not said anything about it since then. It makes no difference what Reid wants or doesn’t want if the House GOP will not cooperate. It takes both houses of congress to pass a bill, I assume you understand.

            Obama did move more immigration judges to speed up the hearings required by the Bush law and asked the Congress for more money to hire more judges, but, again, the House is going to take a couple of weeks off before even thinking about it. I guess they have forgotten that they the branch of the government that has to come up with the money and is expected to make decisions……

          • John Johnson

            Your condescention is worth noting, so is your obfuscation. Obama said he would; then he doesn’t say anything. He is the key to change. Repub’s want the law changed, as do many Dem’s. You know it: I know it. If he stands up and says that this is numero uno on his list, it gets done. You know it; I know it.
            Why do you insist on adding layers and layers of crap onto any given subject? That is the government way of doing things. Throw out simple and add layers of confusion. I know you can’t see it, but eveyone who is not a career pol or career advisor knows what I am referring to.

          • WUSRPH

            The Republicans want to do it so bad their take several weeks off for a “working vacation”…….Really got their noses to the grindstone working on the problem, night and day without taking a break….

          • John Johnson

            They are a bunch of sheep. I have never defended them so quit responding to my posts as if I had. Obama is the catalyst, if there is one. Reid and Boehner are trading licks and barbs and going nowhere. The worst President in my lifetime simply asks for more newly printed money from Congress and old printed money from contributors. He is a joke.

          • WUSRPH

            So quit accusing me of defending Obama when all I am doing is pointing out the facts…….Without that “newly printed money” he can’t hire the extra immigration judges needed to speedup mvoing these kids thru the system and out to the airport to go home

          • John Johnson

            Go back and read your original post in response to my response to Grasshopper’s. You emanated that O has no role in getting the law changed. That, Professor, is wrong, and also defensive.

            With regards to the money comments, it just shows that instead of attacking and correcting the root problem, he is once again going the spend-money-we-don’t-have route at a rate that is ridiculous for the job at hand.

            You gladly run off in that direction to avoid O’s failure to get the job done. He could, but he won’t. Bottomline.

          • WUSRPH

            I said he had suggested but had not said anything since..That was hardly an endorsement of his action on that issue.

            Of course, he has a role…but he doesn’t get to vote in Congress or set the bill for a hearing..That’s their job…and they aren’t doing it.

            He’s tried to attack the “root problem” (as has the U.S. Senate with GOP votes) by pushing for a real comprehensive immigration. reform bill. That is the only way to address the root problem. But the GOP in the House won’t act–even on one of their “single issue” bills they talked about earlier.

            He’s also moved more border patrol agents and immigration judges to the border to speed up the processing…But he can’t ignore the Bush law….You attack him all the time for not enforcing the laws and now you act like you think he should not enforce this one. You can’t have it both ways….and be honest with yourself.

            He’s talked to all the leaders of the countries involved. He’s publicly declared that the kids will be going back ….the govt. is running media in the affected countries with that message….and kids are going back (8,000 was the count of Honduran kids sent back so far this year a couple of weeks ago)…
            ..
            We’re not talking about what was done before the current time…that’s another subject…but, as I see it and as the facts support, the President has done about what he can without CONGRESSIONAL ACTION since this crisis got into the headlines a month ago.

            You won’t give him any credit for anything…but we expect that from you.

            More Judges, more agents are needed. Someone has to pay for them. He can’t do it with his book earnings…The 2008 law needs to be suspended (at least temporarily) or changed to give the same treatment given Mexican and Canadian kids to those from Central American nations ..He can’t do any of those things without Congress. So, get on the back of your congressman and tell him to do his part of the job.

            As with last week, I feel this subject has again been exhausted. I am moving on to other topics. So don’t expect a response to any of your further positions on this subject.

          • John Johnson

            Blah, blah, blah. He’s not leading. He is a slacker. He could get it done. He’s not.

          • WUSRPH

            I think you need to go read the Federalist Papers to get some limited understanding of how our govt. works. In the meantime,see

            http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Flight-carrying-Guatemalan-families-reverses-the-5639909.php#/0

          • buyaclue

            Gramps will not be dissuaded by facts. He has his opinion and that’s that. Besides Fox says it’s all obama’s fault and like a true trunk to tail republican, that’s all the facts he needs.

          • WUSRPH

            “…one or two of those who make frequent entries on this blog hate him out of disappointment and frustration……They were “true believers” in “we can do it” and we will work together and all the other themes that appeared to make him something new and different as a candidate BUT it did not turn out that way and they hate him for making them believe and then, as they see it, failing them. I saw them pour into the precinct conventions (usually attended by a handful of the same people) literally by the hundreds (in my precinct) full of fire and belief that it could be different and that they could make a difference. So sad now to see them so disillusioned by the realities of the political world…”

          • John Johnson

            Ha, ha, ha. Thirteen? That should show them. I think in the last two years less than 100 out of a reported 90,000 or so have been sent home. That message is weak. Real weak. Let’s see where is goes from here. Since less than half are even showing up for hearings, what does that tell you? Stop the foolish apologies for failed presidential leadtership. It grows old.

          • WUSRPH

            new accounts, which I noted previously, have more than 8,000 having been returned to Honduras this year and that was several weeks ago……

          • John Johnson

            Mind giving me that link again. I missed it. 8,000 children returned?

          • WUSRPH

            The cite was from a couple of weeks ago…I entered it then but I don’t have access to it now…..but the Houston Chronicle says 5,000 but from what I can read of the article I am not clear whether it is simply US returness or a combination of those returned by the US and BY MEXICO…I saw another story which said that the Mexicans had sent back more than that this year alone. Seems they are doing something about the problem at their own border.

            http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Deported-migrants-flood-back-into-Honduras-5587326.php
            I will attempt to go back into the blog’s archives and find it.

          • WUSRPH
          • WUSRPH

            In 2012 the Obama administration spent 18 billion dollars on immigration enforcement programs; more than the budget for all other federal law enforcement agencies that year combined.[1]

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States

          • John Johnson

            Thank you. You support my position, huh? Throwing money at the problem is not going to get the job done.

          • WUSRPH

            Just throwing money never solves anything…>Spending money intelligently does…..But nothing is going to solve this problem until we get: Comprehensive immigration reform that includes more border efforts and incentives to keep people from coming…

          • John Johnson

            Da Da! We agree!

          • buyaclue

            If he stands up and says that this is numero uno on his list, it gets done. You know it; I know it.

            Wow, you are just delusional? Get off the pain killers gramps, you saw what it did the Dick Perry and his failed 2012 presidential run.

          • John Johnson

            You are really dense, Grasshopper. Do I have to explain everything to you? The Repub’s want the law repealed; Obama said he did. The Repub’s don’t want to approve $4B to process, house and feed these kids; Obama wants it. If Obama pushes to get the law changed, as he said he was going to do, then we don’t need the $4B and both the Repub’s and the President are in agreement. Then, only Reid stands in the way. Is Reid in control of the Dem party or is the President?

          • buyaclue

            Obama said he wanted the law modified, not repealed. Gee I wonder how many republicans screeching for the law to be repealed actually voted for it in 2008?? Hmmm, now that’s an interesting question don’t ya think? Turn off fox news mr. elephant.

          • John Johnson

            I gave you the big picture, kiddo. You respond with “he said he wanted it modified”? Repealed or modified, where is he now? Is he talking about it? Of course not… he’s off fundraising again. He just wants to spend the problem away.

            With regards to 2008, I imagine they all voted for it. Now they can see it was a mistake. Anything wrong with correcting a mistake? Learning from our mistakes? That is the difference in a fool and a wise man, Grasshopper.

          • buyaclue

            Republicans don’t want to correct the mistake or make any improvements. They want to pitch a fit over “the border” and send out fundraising letters. Perry wants to play make believe with a gun and a camo hat to pretend he’s not a clueless git. Oh, and also send out fundraising letters. And they love to see the trunk to tail faithful rubes like you, lapping up fox news, having a hissy fit and sending them money.

            But keep thinking if only Obama would close his eyes and click his heels 3 times we would all have ponies and rainbows in Washington. You must be on some mighty powerful drugs at the home gramps.

          • John Johnson

            Same old, staid, angry response from you.

            I will repeat. Obama said it; then disappeared and came back ignoring that he said it, and simply asked for $4B. That is fact. Can we agree on that?

            Repub’s say they dont want to give $4B without reforming the law. Do you agree that this is the case?

            What Obama originally said he wanted to do is what th Repub’s have always said they wanted. Correct?

            If this is all true, where is Obama? He is out raising money and ignorng the fact he ever said he would push for the law to be changed. Is this true?

            You can scream all you want to about the Republican congressional leaders. They are hardcore political animals, no doubt about it, and they don’t like O, his administration, or Reid or Pelosi, but he can put a sock in their mouths and/or make them look even more petty that they are on occasion, if he would propose a change in tthe law as he origially advocated.

            This impasse is on him, Grasshopper….not the mean, old Republicans. The ball is in his court.

          • John Johnson

            Where did you go? I was kinda expecting a response to my last post, below.

          • buyaclue

            NFLAOF

          • John Johnson

            Even though you won’t acknowledge it, I think you finally understand the situation. You don’t need to thank me.

          • buyaclue

            NFLAOF

          • John Johnson

            Here…let me post it again for you. Read it over and over again unitl it sinks in. It might take you a day or two.

            I will repeat. Obama said it; then disappeared and came back ignoring that he said it, and simply asked for $4B. That is fact. Can we agree on that?

            Repub’s say they dont want to give $4B without reforming the law. Do you agree that this is the case?

            What Obama originally said he wanted to do is what th Repub’s have always said they wanted. Correct?

            If this is all true, where is Obama? He is out raising money and ignorng the fact he ever said he would push for the law to be changed. Is this true?

            You can scream all you want to about the Republican congressional leaders. They are hardcore political animals, no doubt
            about it, and they don’t like O, his administration, or Reid or Pelosi, but he can put a sock in their mouths and/or make them look even more petty that they are on occasion, if he would propose a change in tthe law as he origially
            advocated.

            This impasse is on him, Grasshopper….not the mean, old Republicans. The ball is in his court.

          • buyaclue

            Repub’s say they dont want to give $4B without reforming the law. Do you agree that this is the case?

            Republicans want to repeal the law where as Obama wanted to modify it slightly but most democrats want to keep the law as is and put resources in the area to speed up the review process. Republicans will do nothing without the law being completely repealed. This is unacceptable to both Obama and the democrats. Ok, now what? Leadership in the house will NOT allow any bill to come to the floor that does not include repealing the 2008 law. What magic do you expect Obama do perform? Why on earth do you think republicans care if Obama makes them look petty?? What planet are you from?? This is a fucking badge of honor for them. They have the fundraising letters all made up. “Obama wanted to let baby rapers into the U.S. and I stood up to him Give me $$$”. I can’t decide if your stupid, naive or just a troll like jjb?

          • WUSRPH

            He declared immigration reform to be his top priority some time ago and the CONGRESS did not respond (i.e.—the House did not)…He can’t make them do it if they don’t want to..
            On the 8,000 figure…It came from a story out of Honduras about the first lady setting up a program to receive the kids…but with the return stories from this week..and her meeting them at the airport…a google search is not going back far enough to find it….I will continue to try.

          • buyaclue

            It’s too bad you’re too ignorant to know how laws are passed in America. What country are you from again?? Why don’t you watch this video. It’s geared for 10 year olds so it may be a little over your head. Hopefully someone at the home can help you with it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otbml6WIQPo

          • John Johnson

            No need, Grasshopper. You just need to acknowledge that a President is normally the head of his party and capable of getting what he wants from his party. It should then all fall into place for you. Get your mother to help you if you continue to have problems.

          • donuthin2

            Sorry JJ, you are losing the argument again, even when in fact, you may be fundamentally correct. Just not good at arguing against those who can articulate their position.

          • John Johnson

            I understand where you two are coming from. “This is the way the law is written. Congress passes laws, the President can sign off on them or veto them”. I’ve got it. What you two don’t, or won’t, seem to acknowledge is a President’s strength in forming and getting legislation passed as head of his party and by negoitating with the oppostion leader. I can’t overcome “hardheaded”; neither can you.

          • buyaclue

            Go ask Mitch Mcconnell or the orange boner how “willing” they would be to negoitate with Obama. Didn’t Mitch say his only goal was to make Obama a 1 term president. And now that’s past it’s to never give Obama a legislative victory. Now that’s someone you can reason with! NFLAOF

          • John Johnson

            All he needs to do is what he said he was going to do….work toward changing the law. If the Repub’s balk at that, they are due all the scorn and harassment we can all muster.

          • buyaclue

            NFLAOF

          • buyaclue

            You realize that we have a 2 party system of government, right? Did you recently arrive from a one party state? Russia perhaps? And that a law, or change to an existing law must pass BOTH houses of congress, one of which is control by the opposition party? You either didn’t watch the video or it went completely over your head. Man, you are dumber than I thought.

  • WestTexan

    Why not really do something. Call the Legislature into session and appropriate the money you are going to spend on the National Guard to assist local sheriffs in hiring additional deputies. Now THAT would have a chance of making a difference.

    • WUSRPH

      Because that would not give him the big headlines and the opportunity for some really great photo ops to use in his campaign for president.

  • WUSRPH

    Did you see that Perry has set the special election for Senator Duncan’s for Sept. 9th? He
    could have set it for the same day as the November General Election but that
    might have increased the turnout and made it harder for the real crazy to win.
    Our governor seems to be afraid of large turnouts for some reason…the fewer
    the better…but what would you expect from a man who wants to take the right to
    elect U.S. Senators away from the voters and give it to the Legislature?

    • Beerman

      Mr. 39%er knows about election timing…..

    • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

      yawl try to stay on topic, or are you tired of getting your azz kicked.
      I was discussing how Guv Perry was a leader and President Obama didn’t like photo ops.

      • WUSRPH

        Oh, did JBB say something? I thought a heard something but I assumed it was a flushing toilet……

        • http://www.fortbendconservative.org/ John Bernard Books

          ahhh grade school humor

          • WUSRPH

            that makes it about 32 grades above your sexual innuendoes.

        • Beerman

          :-)

      • Unwound

        Apparently Ted Cruz doesnt particularly like photo ops either…..

  • dave in texas

    Ya know, I always thought that when a humanitarian crisis was going on, the solution was to send in the Red Cross, not the damned National Guard.

    • donuthin2

      They do not have a clue about what kind of constructive role they can play. Just trying to fulfill the fantasies of the Governor, their commander and chief.

      • WUSRPH

        bad joke:

        I hear Gov. Rick was really upset when they told him that he couldn’t get a picture of himself leading the Texas National Guard in a bayonet charge against the evil invaders. Seems nobody uses bayonets any more…Damn, it would have made such a good poster! Can’t you see those little kids scattering like sheep in front of our beloved leader?

  • José

    Word is that SlickRick will try to get the feds to pay for his foolish campaign stunt. When that fails, who’s going to hold Gov. MoFo accountable? Does the TexLege have an oversight committee that can go all Issa on him?

    • WUSRPH

      I see no reason to expect that either the Obama Administration or the Congress are going to be interested in coming up with the money to pay for Rick’s photo ops.

      If he can’t get it from the Feds, try to use what is called Interim Budget Execution to get the money. He originally said he would pay for it that way, before saying he would ask the feds for the Money. It is possible that IBE could be used, but it would be really stretching the law. It would just be inviting a law suit that, if successful, could undermine a bunch of things the Leg. leadership and the governor like to slip by AFTER the budget has been approved. He can also just let the bills pile up and seek an emergency appropriation when the Legislature meets in January to cover the costs…but eventually somebody is going to have pay the bill.

  • WUSRPH

    A few interesting statistics I found while looking for something else:
    —-last year the US returned more than 13,000 “unaccompanied adults” to Mexico…It is easier to do because they are not covered by the 2008 law…only kids from non-contiguous countries. We sent back over 6,000 in the first few months of this year.
    —-last year the US returned more than 37,000 people to Honduras, 47,000 to Guatemala, 21,000 to El Salvador and more than 240,000 to Mexico, but I did not get a breakdown on age. I must assume, however, that most are not children because of the special requirements on how they must be treated including the requirement for a hearing.
    —Overall over 368,000 illegals were sent to their home countries last year.
    —Honduras leads all countries, including Mexico, in the number of children arriving here this year.. Over 15,000 Honduran children have crossed the U.S. border so far this fiscal year, according to Customs and Border Protection figures. That number has already more than doubled over the figure for all of fiscal 2013. About 12,500 Guatemalan children have come to the United States this year, along with 12,000 Mexican kids and 11,500 from El Salvador. (The Mexican kids are sent home fairly quickly as they are not protected by the 2008 law.)
    —-last year the US spent more than $18 billion on immigration enforcement—more than the budget of all other law enforcement agencies combined. This is triple times what was being spent only a few years ago.

    Clearly it isn’t enough,…..but you can’t say that something hasn’t been done.

    • John Johnson

      What percentage of the whole do your numbers represent? They look pretty good standing all alone out there by themselves, but we know that only a small percentage are getting sent back, don’t we?

      • WUSRPH

        As to the number of children returned to Honduras, etc. I think most of these are children that Mexico caught and returned that did not get to the US border. I doubt very many of the unaccompanied have been returned from the US yet…..Those returned appeared to be mothers and children who did not qualify for the unaccompanied definition….I suspect we will begin to see more unaccompanied going back as the hearings get into high gear….but not that many yet…..But, if the reports that the flow has dropped off dramatically are correct, the pressure should be reduced somewhat.
        As to how many total immigrants there were in the year, who knows? Plus some of those being returned were probably folks who entered in prior years and were caught later…..There are some numbers for those turned back directly at the border but I do not have them now.

        • John Johnson

          Points well made.

      • WUSRPH

        I did a quick check and found the following: 135,000 of those “removed” from the US were apprehended in the “interior of the US”. Some 235,000 were caught at the border and sent back. Below is taken from the govt’s report for 2013:

        Enforcement & Removal

        ” FY 2013 ICE Immigration Removals

        FY 2013 ICE Immigration Removals

        Overview

        In addition to its criminal investigative responsibilities, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) shares responsibility for enforcing the nation’s civil immigration laws with U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS). ICE’s role in the immigration enforcement system is focused on two primary missions: (1) the identification and apprehension of criminal aliens and other removable individuals located in the United States; and (2) the detention and removal of those individuals apprehended in the interior of the U.S., as well as those apprehended by CBP officers and agents patrolling our nation’s borders.

        In executing these responsibilities, ICE has prioritized its limited resources on the identification and removal of criminal aliens and those apprehended at the border while attempting to unlawfully enter the United States. This report provides an overview of ICE Fiscal Year (FY) 2013 civil immigration enforcement and removal operations:

        In FY 2013:

        ICE conducted a total of 368,644 removals.

        ICE conducted 133,551 removals of individuals apprehended in the interior of the U.S.

        82 percent of all interior removals had been previously convicted of a crime.

        ICE conducted 235,093 removals of individuals apprehended along our borders while attempting to unlawfully enter the U.S. 1

        59 percent of all ICE removals, a total of 216,810, had been previously convicted of a crime.

        ICE apprehended and removed 110,115 criminals removed from the interior of the U.S.

        ICE removed 106,695 criminals apprehended at the border while attempting to unlawfully enter the U.S.

        98 percent of all ICE FY 2013 removals, a total of 360,313, met one or more of ICE’s stated civil immigration enforcement priorities. 2

        Of the 151,834 removals of individuals without a criminal conviction, 84 percent, or 128,398, were apprehended at the border while attempting to unlawfully enter the U.S. and 95 percent fell within one of ICE’s stated immigration enforcement priorities. 3

        The leading countries of origin for those removed were Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador.”

        NB. “crime” here includes having been convicted for illegally entering the US so we are not talking here only about really bad guys.

  • WUSRPH

    It appears that JBB is wrong again (surprised anyone?). Obama isn’t deliberately letting in all those Mexicans and others to increase the voting strength of the Democratic Party as he is constantly claiming…Instead, Obama’s doing it as part of a JESUIT PLOT to have the Catholic Church take over the United States…At least’s that is the “new line” being taken by some kook posting comments over on TT. They guy even gives a website address where we can all read THE TRUTH.

    And all this time people were claiming that Obama was “secret Muslim” but now we know the TRUTH—he’s really a tool of the Jesuits…(One of them is Pope now, you know.)

    Oh well, I guess that this just means there are still some “Know Nothings” alive and well (not mentally, of course) in America. But we kind of hoped that stuff had died out after JFK was elected and the Pope didn’t immediately move to America and take over.***

    ***That is a reference to an old joke out of the 1928 Presidential campaign which was updated after Kennedy was elected in 1960.

    The Democratic candidate in 1928 was Gov. Al Smith of New York State—a Roman Catholic…..During the campaign a bunch of crazy religious types claimed that if Smith were elected the Pope was all packed up and ready to move to America to take over the country. When he lost, the joke went that Smith’s first act was to send the Pope in the Vatican a one-word telegram that said: “Unpack”.

    The joke was updated when Kennedy took office (as the first Catholic to become president) but shortly thereafter came out against federal financial aid to parochial schools like those run by the Catholic Church……When he did that, the new joke had it, that Kennedy received a one-word telegram from the Vatican that said: “PACK!”.

  • WUSRPH

    P.S. Has anyone heard anything from anyone about what, if anything, these troops are actually going to be doing? (At an estimated cost of $17 million per month)

  • Madrigalian

    Wrong questions. Disingenuous stage. How about…

    How did it get to this point in the first place?
    Where is the border security the federal government is supposed to provide?
    Who gave the signal to launch a refugee invasion?
    What steps, short of the National Guard being called up by the state governor, has the federal administration taken to stem the tide?
    How many decades has Texas been pleading for greater border security?
    What is the meaning of a “sovereign” nation?
    Can you be a sovereign nation with open borders and no enforceable immigration laws?

    And so many more, pertinent questions come to mind.

    • WUSRPH

      Fed steps: Tripled spending, the same with the number of border patrol agents; built 400 miles of “Fence” out of a proposed 700 (altho the border is 1,900 no one–Bush or anybody else—has ever proposed more than 700 miles of fence). Caught more than 235,000 at the border last year…a few things like that.

  • Terry Weldon

    Another good question is how long will it take for one of these weekend soldiers, heavily armed, sweltering in the South Texas sun and hyped with rhetoric about our border being under assault, will haul off and shoot someone–and another is whether that someone will be one of those children.

  • WUSRPH

    http://www.news-journal.com/news/local/message-to-simpson-on-border-crisis-constituents-come-first/article_b39953a3-ff56-5710-9048-0cbf3d4450b4.html

    Did you see where State Rep. David Simpson, one of the more conservative members of the Texas House, got jumped upon by some of his constituents because he expressed some compassion for some of the real kids in this migration. It appears that “compassionate conservatism” isn’t totally dead–except with the panickers he represents.

  • WUSRPH

    http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/call/docs/10-16/ch_12.asp

    This site is an official US armed forces briefing on what posse comitatus means. It has come up since it appears, as I reported earlier, that the law does not cover national guard troops while they are in state service (as the 1,000 Perry is calling up will be). They would not have law enforcement powers if they were in Federal Service, but may have them while in state. This means the guard members could probably arrest the illegals as they come across the river. What laws they would be enforcing is unclear—maybe trespassing.

  • WUSRPH

    A friend from the Valley says you can’t drive down the road in Starr County these days without seeing about 4 DPS patrol cars…..They are there…what they are doing is unclear.

  • John Johnson

    Remember all the bitching you Obama apologists did about Cheney running things in the Bush administration? Harry Reid is the new de facto President of the United States. Obama is the head Dem Party fund raiser. When things go bad, he runs away far enough to feel protected by plausible denial; when once in a blue moon positive results occur as a result of others hard work, like the Seals bin Laden operation, he’s takes undo credit. He is the worst President ever. He knew IS extremeists were gathering in Syrian camps months ago for a push through Iraq, but failed to use drones to squash their plans. He is the worst President ever!

    • John Johnson

      Another thing. He turns loose top level terrorists, but does nothing to get Sgt. Tammarissi turned lose from a Mexican prison. Talks to Mexican President yet doesn’t even mention it…wants $4B to take care of immigrant children but won’t press for military man’s release after a simple mistake. He is the worst President ever.

      • buyaclue

        More fox supplied bullshit. Yep, you truely are an independent mind gramps.

        • John Johnson

          You twit. They are getting talking points from me.

  • WUSRPH