Facebook Is Not Letting the Story of the Vet Who Killed a Cat With a Bow and Arrow Go

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By now, you’ve probably heard of Kristen Lindsey. She’s the veterinarian from Brenham who’s given more bad press to the state than Blue Bell after she posted a picture on Facebook of herself, smiling and holding an arrow with a dead cat on the end of it:

 

Her “vet of the year” award never came—and, in fact, her status as a veterinarian was rescinded, at least temporarily, when the animal clinic at which she worked fired her once the photo went viral. 

There are questions over whether or not the “feral tomcat” in the photo is really a feral tomcat; a neighbor of Lindsey’s who cat-sits an orange-and-white cat on the same street the photo was taken told KTRK that that cat has been missing. Regardless, the idea that someone whose job is to care for the health of cats, dogs, and other animals would think that “the only good feral tomcat is one with an arrow through its head” is one that plenty of people are having a hard time justifying. 

Lindsey has no real defenders to speak of. Hunting advocates have not jumped out to support her, and the usual culture war nonsense that comes into play when people are outraged is not happening. Liberal or conservative, or anywhere in between, everybody loves their pets. There is no GoFundMe page to help her get back on her feet after losing her job. A Facebook page called “Support for Kristen Lindsey” has been removed, and the comments on it by the 143 members when it was active mostly continued to chastise her even as they urged people not to carry out the death threats she’s been receiving. Another “Kristen Lindsey Fan Page” has fewer than 100 members and appears to be the project of 4chan-style trolls. 

There are plenty of people who find the fact that she merely lost her job to be insufficient, though. A “Justice for Cat Murdered by Kristen Lindsey” Facebook group has 44,000 members (and a profile image of Jesus snuggling an orange-and-white tabby), while one urging that “Police in Texas Prosecute Kristen Lindsey for Animal Cruelty” has 6,500. 

The two groups are surprisingly sober—there are of course a few semi-coherent posts declaring Lindsey a monster and many posts from people sharing photos of their own pets with the hashtag #IAmTiger (the name of the cat that went missing on her block), or from people organizing cat food and cat toy drives. But there’s also a push to examine all of Lindsey’s social media accounts and look for clues that indicate that she’s a clear sociopath. Witness this widely shared post from the viral news site Inquisitr.com, which runs under the supremely clickable headline “Kristen Lindsey Dreamed of Being a Vet and Killing Animals, According to Old Blog.” 

If you clicked that link expecting to find a rant about her desire to murder animals in her care, you’ll be out of luck. Instead, she merely mentions an interest in hunting, unrelated to her desire to pursue a career as a veterinarian: 

“Current interests: Living my days to the fullest, finding the meaning of happiness, killing things or trying to kill things (animals, a full glass of whiskey, hangovers, etc), my friends (both near and far), spending time with my dad, the outdoors in general, fly fishing on Shell Creek until it’s too dark to see, hunting with my dad and better yet…learning from my dad as we hunt.”

In other words, the Internet-age condition through which we look to create absolute monsters out of people appears to be in effect with Lindsey too. Certainly, what she did was reprehensible, and in addition to being fired, it seems fairly unlikely that she’ll find work as a veterinarian again—any veterinary office that googles her name will see the photo of her holding the arrow, and it’s very difficult to imagine that leading to an employment offer when there are presumably other candidates who haven’t bragged about killing a cat. 

If police do decide to prosecute Lindsey on animal cruelty charges, we won’t shed any tears. But it’s worth comparing the ire that she’s receiving to the reactions to the horrific vet story out of Fort Worth last year. In that case, a veterinarian was alleged to have tortured animals he had promised to euthanize, keeping sick animals in feces-packed cages after taking them from their owners and using their blood for transfusions. The veterinarian charged with animal cruelty in that case, Dr. Lou Tierce, lost his license and faces a criminal case—but 44,000 people didn’t lobby on Facebook for his punishment. 

There is, of course, something viscerally horrible when someone appears gleeful about killing an animal. We imagine our own beloved pets on the end of the arrow (#IAmTiger), and we desperately want to see some sort of justice. The idea that Lindsey is unlikely to work with animals again may not be enough for people—but it’s also worth noting that we tend to react especially strongly to these stories when there’s a woman involved. Like the language used against Kendall Jones, the Texas Tech cheerleader/big-game hunter who shared photos online of herself with dead animals, the language used against Lindsey—“bitch,” “tramp,” and comments about her lookssuggests that some people are reacting even more strongly because she’s a woman. 

There’s no question that killing cats—feral or domestic—with a bow is not becoming of a veterinarian. But while the Austin County district attorney’s office reviews the police investigation to determine if criminal charges are appropriate, it’s worth considering how much justice we can really expect for Tiger. 

(Photograph via Flickr. Not the cat Lindsey shot.)

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  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    For me, more moronic than brutally killing your neighbors cat, is the fact that she showed an ASTOUNDING level of stupidity by posting the picture on facebook. We all know what the word “viral” means, we’ve all seen videos and pictures of people who posted something that blew up in their face (like the guy who yelled at the ChicFila employee in the drive thru). Kristen Lindsey (as a vet) knows how much people love their cats. As a vet, she knows this isn’t the proper way to dispose of any animal.

    What part of “World Wide Web” didn’t she understand? And her idiocy has been seen and commented on from people around the world – and from around the world, the message is the same – UNACCEPTABLE.

    Yup, maybe she faces jail, likely she will not practice vet medicine again…either way, SHE is the only one to blame for this. As John Wayne once said, “Life is hard…It’s even harder if you’re stupid”. I’d like to add to Mr. Wayne’s slogan with, “Life is hard…It’s even harder if you’re stupid and brag about being stupid on the internet”.

    • Shana Lee

      That’s the problem here, I don’t think she does know how much people love their cats, she didn’t think there was anything wrong with what she did! Her own mother didn’t think there was anything wrong with it! There’s a mental component missing here.
      But I do agree with you on the rest, I just think she is lacking somehow.

      • Father “Spergie” Makian

        Lacking is a good word….She did a horrific thing…and instead of showing remorse, instead of taking ownership, she’s hired a lawyer. This all could have been over by now, had she just said, “I made a terrible mistake, I am so sorry”. The attorney she has now should have issued a statement. They should have returned Tiger’s body. If Kristen made an apology, and said she was going to donate 10% of all her future earnings to a Feral Cat Rescue, she’d spend less money in legal fees than she’s going to spend fighting it. But she is lacking…lacking any sense of remorse, lacking any idea how to help Tiger’s owners get closure, lacking any idea of how easily she could have made this go away by taking ownership and accountability. Yup, you nailed it…something is missing.

        • laurelei

          I agree, but remorse for something she took such glee and pride in would be false, and she knows it.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            True..I wouldn’t believe any apology she gave at this point.

          • DS

            At this point she is just sorry she posted it on Facebook because I guarantee you she still doesn’t think she did anything wrong and is playing the victim!

          • Chris Busby

            hang the bitch now

          • Barry

            My grandfather was a farmer, a good man, he thought nothing of killing inconvenient animals.

          • artfuldgr

            thanks barry for pointing out what i am going to be lambasted for pointing out… in the city, its one thing… and not good.. in the country a feral cat can cause lots of damage and trouble and the owner of said animal will refuse to fix or pay for the problem!!!!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Dear lord…lordie, lordie, lordie….city or country, too many cats is bad, too few cats is bad. Some cities use feral cats to control the rat problem. Rats carry human diseases…the biggest decline in human history was from a disease spread by rats.

            There was no feral cat problem on Kristen Lindseys property. In the country, cats have natural predators…they are healthy for those predators.

            This is grade school common sense stuff.

          • FeelALot

            And that same common sense should also tell them Tiger wasn’t feral to begin with, and if there HAD been any feral cat ‘problem’ on KL’s property, the food that Tiger’s sitter kept putting out for days afterwards, in hopes that he’d return home to be fed, would have been EATEN BY ANY HOMELESS CAT that was around there.

          • FeelALot

            Ferals don’t HAVE “owners.” Gawd, get it STRAIGHT, will you?

            And if I purport that YOU caused damage of whatever, can I deliberately trap you first, then shoot you in your face and through your skull with an arrow because I think of you as an “inconvenience”? Good to know!

          • sundrop

            you do realize that “feral” are wild domestic cats. they have no owners.

          • Sparky

            Several feral cat colony supporters have admitted to
            feeding them and releasing them after vet care.
            That defines ownership in most places.
            And legal liability.

          • Dutches62

            Sorry , I was born in a 500+ acre ranch on the Brazos and my grandfather would not have done this to a cat . Much less with a bow and arrow and he had a lot to take care of . My dad who hunted all over the world would have had absolutely no interest in bothering a cat . He did shoot a rabid raccoon .. but like a normal person he used a gun and it was lights out . This woman is cruel and dangerous
            .

          • pam masse

            Thank You! I was raised on a farm and we had 11 Barn Cats that did their job well keeping mice (rats) at bay..we were never cruel to them and fed them as well. My dad taught all us kids to treat the animals with respect, they would be our food and to be thankful for them. To this day, I remember his words.
            All my loving pets today are rescued and I am a vegetarian..
            I told Dad as a young adult, “I can’t eat animals anymore” and he understood because it became hard for him to continue raising the animals only to be our food. And yes, if you need to take the life of an animal, you do it in a humane way…be it a rabid raccoon or farm animals.

          • Bwayne

            When I was growing up in the 1950s, no one in his right mind would consider paying hundreds of dollars on an injured cat or dog If they were ill or injured, and no one thought that it was ‘bad’ to kill wild animals. There’s always plenty more free cats and dogs available.

          • Kat

            With all due respect, it’s most likely that his name was Tiger and he was very well loved and not expendable to those grieving for him now.

          • Sparky

            How long was this “Tiger” running around outside, by the way? Have the owners been charged with animal neglect yet?

          • FeelALot

            That’s an idiotic statement that makes it abundantly clear you’ve not been following or even aware of what the entire scenario was.

          • Sparky

            How so?

          • Sparky
          • be kind

            What does that tell us, other than that our society has evolved in the last 60 years or so?

          • be kind

            That probably wasn’t in 2015. And he wasn’t a veterinarian.

          • Sparky

            To the obsessed cat people nothing but cats matter!

        • DS

          The problem is she isn’t sorry one bit. When people started calling her out on it and demanding she be fired she snubbed her nose at those claims that her employer would fire her by stating that she was awesome, they would never fire her… but fire her they did. She is a criminal and animal abuser. She will never be a vet again if any of us can do anything about it. Commit her name to memory in case she weasels her way into a Vet Clinic again – don’t let her touch your animals!

          • FeelALot

            Better yet, commit her FACE to memory, in case she tries to change her name!

          • DS

            Except that faces can be changed and since they are stating that they believe she has fled Texas… my guess is she may consider that.

          • FeelALot

            Yah, *sigh,* but it would cost a lot of money to change your face pretty radically, so one can only hope…

          • Sparky

            Yeah because animal rights terrorism so becomes you.

            FeelALot wrote:
            Better yet, commit her FACE to memory, in case she tries to change her name!

          • FeelALot

            Oh, phhhhhtttt. Terrorist-shmerrorist. What utter claptrap.

            Quit trying to drum up something that isn’t appropriate or based in reality. You’re just another ridiculous troll.

          • Sparky

            Do your pets ever kill rodents or rabbits?
            Explain your ethical contradictions.

            No wait, you didn’t even try to say your
            issue was ethics or animal cruelty, but
            more about a projection of yourself.

        • Micah Carey

          “Her future earnings?” How many clinics do you think would now hire her?

        • Sparky

          You actually want to pretend that your ilk
          would forgive her if she apologized? Liar.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Ohhhh, Sparky….you said Tiger was abandon for three years. Talk about a liar, you are the biggest one on this board. It’s sad me slapping you around means so much to you. Get on with your life, there are much more important things in your own life….move along.

          • Sparky

            Jeff Makian wrote: “This all could have been over by now, had she just said, “I made a terrible mistake, I am so sorry”.”
            Your pretense that the internet forgives was a blatant lie.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Your statement that “the internet forgives” is incorrect. The internet has no feelings, it’s a communication device.

            Also, my use of the word “could” means there is a level of uncertainty. Now, had I said “would” you’d be right. This is basic stuff, Sally.

            You have to stop stalking me now…I’m tired of correcting basic mistakes for you, and what happened and is going to happen to Kristen now isn’t important. Move along, Sally – I know it stings, but letting one person on the internet upset you is not healthy, and could get you in trouble again.

          • Sparky

            > I know it stings,

            Nope.

            > but letting one person on the internet upset you

            Nope.

            > is not healthy, and could get you in trouble again.

            Again? Nice try!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            oohhhhhh, you are not being honest again! It does sting, that’s why you post on the 4th of July, post late at night, and post on a topic after 2 months. I stung you good, real good, and you have let me own you because of the slapping you got.

          • Sparky

            You flatter yourself.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            no sport, I don’t. The facts are, you have stalked me for 2 months. That means I got you real good. you can pretend all you want, but every reply speaks the facts…if you weren’t hurt, sally, you wouldn’t post after 2 months, you wouldn’t type in all caps, you wouldn’t post on holidays, or late at night. Pretend all you want, but you know I know.

          • Sparky

            You seem to have a bizarre definition of what comprises stalking.
            Please keep stroking your own ego in public.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Another late and lonely post from a loser with no life.

          • Sparky

            Jeff Makien wrote “Another late and lonely post from a loser with no life.”
            I did not accuse cat hoarders of those things.
            Do you have any idea how EASY that would have been?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            wrong again, it would have been very, very hard for you to accuse cat hoarders of posting late at night here, alone and on holidays. In over two months, sport, you are the only lonely loser who has done that.

          • Sparky

            Nice try!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            no, not a nice try, it’s a hard fact based on the times you’ve posted…..sorry.

          • Sparky

            How many cats do you have?

          • Sparky

            How hard was it?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            hey, did you hear the awesome news about Kristen Lindsey?

            She changed her name and re-opened her facebook page!

            https://occupytexasanimalwelfare.wordpress.com/2015/07/04/shes-back-back-on-facebook-after-no-charges/

            After 3 days, she and everyone on her “friends” list got death threats from around the world, and had to take her facebook page back down!!! Remember, I told you that would happen!

            That dipshit is going to be getting justice the rest of her life! Isn’t that great news?!

          • Sparky

            So 500 people agreed with her actions, eh?
            You whined about cats ”
            injured or killed by, gun, bow and car.” ? “car”???
            How does cat owner blame of cars work??

            Please tell me some more about people who are butt hurt by their
            cat getting hit by a car after they set their cat up to roam outdoors?

            Tell me though, if you had a cat outside running loose and it gets
            hit by a car, would you really think that’s somehow the
            fault of the car driver? Seriously? Would you ever accept
            any responsibility for YOUR actions in letting a cat roam?

            From the occupytexasanimalwelfare petition site:
            “After all, who could possible hate her, for killing a voiceless animal
            right? Apparently, 500 and more people agree with her actions, yet what
            about the others. Those who do not hate cats, those who experienced
            horrible events after the meeting took place. Those who had their cats
            injured or killed by, gun, bow and car.”

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Sally, where did you get 500 people? 300000 people liked the pages set up to follow her. What are you talking about cars? Are you off your meds again?

            How freakin awesome is it that hundreds of thousands of people from around the world are watching her every move? Didn’t you and us royally agree she was monster?

          • Sparky

            The wordpress “petition” mentioned that 500 people agree with her actions.

            The wordpress “petition” page mentioned cat people who have
            lost cats from various deaths including “cars”.

            Tell me though, if you had a cat outside running loose and it gets
            hit by a car, would you really think that’s somehow the
            fault of the car driver? Seriously? Would you ever accept
            any responsibility for YOUR actions if you let a cat roam?

            Jeff Makian wrote:
            Sally, where did you get 500 people? 300000 people liked the pages set up to follow her. What are you talking about cars? Are you off your meds again?
            How freakin awesome is it that hundreds of thousands of people from around the world are watching her every move? Didn’t you and us royally agree she was monster? 2:08 p.m., Wednesday July 8

            She’s Back: Back On Facebook After No Charges
            July 4, 2015 86 Comments
            Kristen Lindsey is back on Facebook. Under the name of Kristen Erin, after all the commotion and ongoing protest, she has the courage to set up her account again, under a semi different name.

            After all, who could possible hate her, for killing a voiceless
            animal right? Apparently, 500 and more people agree with her actions, yet what about the others. Those who do not hate cats, those who experienced horrible events after the meeting took place. Those who had their cats injured or killed by, gun, bow and car.

            Smile – you are on candid camera. The whole world will continue to keep their eyes peeled on you for the dastardly despicable deed you have done.

            With recent events, such as the Grand Jury trial finding Ms. Lindsey innocent, these actions have open the door for psychopaths to hunt down and either injure or murder our companion animals in the State of Texas.
            Ever since the Grand Jury meeting ended, many have reported incidents of cats being injured or killed with guns, bows and even purposely ran over with a car. For the Grand Jury to take an unsworn testimony in as a truth and evidence breaks, all meaning of what justice stands for.

            The statement that was not sworn in was the following:

            “Kristen Lindsey was defending her own animals from a rabid feral cat.”

            Tiger, the cat murdered was not rabid, and a simple necropsy would have confirmed this. However, where is Tiger’s body? Why hasn’t a necropsy been done in the first place?

            With the Animal Legal Defense – now becoming involved and asking for the documents of the trial, the community of Texas and worldwide now await in anticipation for some kind of hopeful news. However, we as a community feel that it is up to Mr. Paxton to review this issue with an open mind and to see that justice is done.

            Being that the Austin County authorities swept this under rug fully
            it is most likely that Mr. Koehn will not acknowledge the ALDF’s request and ignore much as he has done with others.

            Fact of this matter they wish for all of this to go away. We cannot
            let this happen, as Tiger’s family needs to see Justice. We need to push for change, so incidents like this can never happen in the future.

            Due to this debacle – Austin County authorities have
            shamed the state of Texas. The only way to rectify what has been tarnished is for the governing officials or Attorney General Ken Paxton to take action and work with Animal Legal Defense to fully investigate Koehn and those who played their part in Kristen Lindsey’s defense.

            On the other hand, we can always hold out for the FBI in 2016. While continuously rallying in front of your offices, It’s your choice –
            Handle the situation now, or be bombarded by the community for Justice to be done until the FBI’s animal abuse investigations take full effect.

            What needs to be done from here – Is to contact the Governor of Texas and Attorney General Mr. Paxton, everything written to them needs to be civil and factual. We will do our part, by writing in to them, and possibly try to make a visit to the Governor and Paxtons office. Face-to-Face communication usually has a bigger impact on decision-making.

            We are here to work with our community as a team, if there is
            anything that you wish to be stated to the Governor and Paxton please let us know. However, we must stress this – EVERYTHING said must be in a civil diplomatic tone.

            We are patiently waiting for an update from ALDF, we will update with more information when we obtain it.

            Side note- Please do not contact Lindsey.

            Please do the following – Fill out the Complaint form:

            http://www.veterinary.texas.gov/documents/forms/Complaint_Form_Licensee_rev_03-2015.pdf

            Contact the Governor’s Office:

            http://gov.texas.gov/

            Contact the Attorney General Office

            https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/contact-form/

            As is we are having a couple of our admins make the 4 hour trip to the Governor and Attorney General office within the next couple of days/weeks, with a letter from the public. We are hoping with a civil diplomatic meeting they will review what has been ongoing.

            So please – do not contact Lindsey, as this would give her the
            opportunity to file harassment charges. Which in the end would give her the upper hand, and look bad upon the community. Again, this article is a warning of her being back and helpful information for the public to contact the links above.

            As said- We will not keep silent or forget this tragedy.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Glad we at least agree she is a monster. I’m mean, 500 people on the planet compared to hundreds of thousands is really a comical amount.

            Sally, you do realize that hitting a cat with a car (by accident) is an accident, and killing a friendly neighbors cat, with intent for joy, and posting it, makes a monster, right?

            I mean, 99.9% of the population thinks that is something a monster does, the other .01 have mental issues, and stalk people…you get that she’s a monster, right? Please tell me you get why torturing a gentle cat is not the same as hitting it with a car….please tell me you aren’t really that stupid.

            We thank you in advance!

          • Sparky

            No, I do not agree that she is a monster.
            You linked to a web page that griped and
            moaned about cats who got hit by a car.
            But you disagree with their gripe about cars?

            Beside not blaming motorists for killing cats
            with their car, the courts sometimes hold cat owners
            responsible for any damage the cats cause to the car
            or otherwise.

            Your pretense at statistical basis is absurd as well as pointless.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            That’s your pretense. I’m totally on board with cat owners being held accountable for damages to cars. I never said I agreed or disagreed with anything..I just posted the link to get you to click it!

          • Sparky

            I hope you like chasing down proxies! LOL

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            LOL! It was my favorite thing to do when I was in the service! LOL!

          • Sparky

            Why bother claiming what you can’t prove, Jeffy?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Ohhhhh, sparky…I don’t have to prove anything to halfwit like you. I did notice you didn’t click the second link:)

          • Sparky

            Why make claims that are impossible to prove?
            You’re quite a bluffer, Jeffy!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Whatever you need to tell yourself, sport. And no one is posting about you on the other Facebook pages, and a bolt is really an arrow, and not a compressed air gun, and 300,000 to 500 isn’t a majority, and we should change our laws on humane disposal of pets because other countries eat cats.

            Enjoy you night, sport – I’m happy to slap you around and share your fucktard statements with the royal we tomorrow! LOL!

          • Sparky

            What do you call an arrow when you shoot it from a crossbow?

          • Sparky

            Jeff Makian wrote:
            …”300,000 to 500 isn’t a majority”…

            Really Jeffy?

          • Sparky

            It is estimated that around 4 million cats are eaten in China each year

            It’s legal to eat dogs and cats in 44 states (of the USA)
            The meat can’t be sold commercially but feasting on Fido is perfectly legal in many locales

            Guardian, February 4, 2015
            Vietnamese authorities have buried thousands of seized cats–many
            believed to have been alive at the time–that were smuggled from China to
            feed the illegal cat meat trade.

            A truck carrying three tons of live cats crammed into bamboo crates
            was impounded in the Vietnamese capital, Hanoi, on Tuesday. On Wednesday
            a police officer said they had been buried in accordance with
            Vietnamese law on smuggled goods.

            ASPCA Stats: 1.4 million cats euthanized per year in USA

            Of the cats entering shelters, approximately 37% are adopted, 41%
            are euthanized, and less than 5% of cats who came in as strays are
            returned to their owners.

            It is impossible to determine how many stray dogs and cats live in the
            United States; estimates for cats alone range up to 70 million.

            The average number of litters a fertile cat produces is one to two a
            year; the average number of kittens is four to six per litter.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            another absurd, moronic post. We don’t live in China. I’ve been to China. Most of the people live in shanties, and sleep on the floor, and have no running water or electricity. By your statement, we should lower our advanced standard of living and laws down to a 3rd world country. So in Kabul, if a woman cheats on her husband, she can be honor killed by stoning – legally. So since it’s legal in Kabul, if a husband catches his wife cheating in the US, it’s okay because they do it in other places. Absolutely moronic – maybe your top 10 dumbest.

            When you take an oath (as Kristen did) to protect and help all animals, and, for fun, you torture one with an inhumane arrow (not a captive bolt), and you brag about, it makes you a monster. I know you aren’t smart enough to understand, but lucky for me, everyone else is smart enough to get it. Hundreds of thousands of people from around the world get it…you and 499 other don’t.

          • Sparky

            Did you overlook the USA numbers I posted?

          • Sparky

            How many cats do you have in your hoard, Jeffy?

          • Sparky

            If that proxy chasing is going down with military precision then what’s taking so long, Jeffy? Announce what you found out about my IP address! LOL

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Fucktard, why haven’t you dazzled the world with our petition? Chop chop!

          • Sparky

            So you’re worked up about an internet petition?
            You DO know that those carry no legal weight, right?

            Plus, if you really were the MAJORITY you would not
            need such a petition to be heard.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Worked up? Laughing my ass off!

            No shit, Fucktard, of course legally they mean nothing. But they do show how the majority feels, and show that the majority is right.

            No more excuses, Fucktard…now is your time to dazzle the world, and show them how right and smart you are!!!! LOL!

          • Sparky

            If you’re so powerful then why are you so grumpy?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Look, Fucktardo, online petitions have changed elections, changed policy, laws, had products removed from shelves…below is a great example of an online petition changing a network.

            Fucktardo, with all your logic, and smartness, it makes no sense for you NOT to start a petition!!!

            http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/132388-social-justice-warriors-go-after-new-nickelodeon-program-due-to-racists-messages.html

          • Sparky

            If you’re so powerful then why are you so grumpy?

          • Sparky

            Wow! You seem to be heavily emotionally invested
            in the internet. You’re a bit spergy aren’t you?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Not as much as you. 5 posts late into the night!?! You’ve posted in dozens of message boards, and came here and trolled a topic that was dead for months. Kristen Lindsey getting what she deserves bunched your panties up real good.

            Look, Fucktard, I’m just helping you. This petition with all your good, smart legal points and logic is going to finally show the world how smart you really are! Think of how much Kristen will be indebted to you!

            Thanks for the name suggestion, we love it! It would be super cool if you changed your name to Fucktard or Fucktardo! TIA

          • Sparky

            In a forum called:
            “Facebook Is Not Letting The Story Of The Veterinarian Who Killed A Cat With A Bow And Arrow Go”

            you accuse me of being obsessed?

            Why DID you change your nym, “Jeff Makian”?
            Did it have anything to do with what you found
            when you did a traceroute? LOL

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            We thought your Commodore comments here funny! He’s a famous Commodore from the UK! I might change it to Spergy Makian…but only if you change yours to your real name, “Fucktard”…deal?

          • Sparky

            When you were posing as cat obsessed but actually tried
            to downplay massive cat death and cruelty, just to obsess
            with the one cat killed by a veterinarian with an arrow,
            that’s when I recognized your brain disorder.

            Thanks for admitting it though.

            Sir Commodore AKA Jeff Makian wrote:
            Yeah, F__tardo, I did spergy this morning! I do tend to spergy very much!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            wow, Fucktardo, you sound like a crabby housewife!

            Sport, you came here and decided to start this shit with me. This stupid story was over 2 months ago, but for some reason, Kristen getting what she deserves totally fucked your sad, stupid world up.

            LOL!

          • Sparky

            If you’re so triumphant then why are you angry and swearing?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            I never a met a sailer worth his salt who didn’t swear….and I like swearing at you because we know it makes you upset!

          • Sparky

            I bet you’ve called lots of men “sailors” Jeffy!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Only the one who change their “nyms”! LOL@U!

          • Sparky

            You don’t like people much do you Jeffy?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Geez! What are you talking about! Do you have any idea how much pussy a guy can get if he takes care of stray pussies? Have you seen how many people have upvoted my comments? Including me upvoting myself, I’m so popular, you’d think I was Jesus!

            Fucktardo, you are acting like the person who shoved the shit filled sock in your cunt is pushing it further in your cunt. I’m in the middle of crafting your petition…if you keep bothering me, how am I going to capture the genius of you?

          • Sparky

            But you don’t like people much do you Jeffy?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Jesus Christ! Are you kidding me? I love people. I donate my time at a homeless shelter at least 10 hours a month. Unlike most of these crazy cat nuts, I love people more than pets. Just not a dipshit cunt asshole like Kristen Lindsey. As much as people want to see her dead, I still pray for her. I think having to live in her parents basement for the rest of her life wondering who is trying to kill her is punishment enough, don’t you, Fucktardo?

          • Sparky
          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Fucktardo, what in the world are you talking about selling? Who the heck is Becky Robinson? Does she think you are a dipshit also?

          • Sparky

            I am quite certain she does!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Smart lady! 264k also think so! That’s why I’m helping you with the petition…We are going to change all that!

          • Sparky

            Couldn’t you just tilt at windmills like the other lunatics?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            ummm, Fucktardo – I’m doing this petition for you. This has your panties so bunched and jammed up your asshole, you’ve pissed and moaned like a fucking cunt for 2 months!

            Now lets talk about the petition we are starting for you…so far we have 4 main points for Kristen keeping her license.

            1) Chinese people (and people from around the world) eat and torture cats
            2) Tiger was not fixed, and was feral (this one is going to be tuff, since he’d been to the vet 11 months before he was killed
            3) State and Federal Laws says a captive bolt to the head is humane, and “caselaw” says a crowbow bolt is the same.
            4) Tiger’s owners should face charges for leaving him for 3 years (I’m having a hard finding a source for that, but since you said it, we can run with it).

            Add whatever you want…if you add nothing, I’ll fluff out these main points, and go with what we have. I’m glad you’re on board with this!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Fucktardo, I gotta run. I’ll work on your petition when I get back. I just got his nice 4k TV (not sure if it’s a TV or if you’d call it a monitor?) Anyways, I gotta run it to the beach house and set it up…

            Try and do just one post tonight, and don’t post all night long. Next week is going to be a big one for you, and we need you rested up.

            You’re a good fucking asshole, Sparky…I’m glad you reached out to me after all this time. This petition of yours is going to change your life, and THE WORLD!

          • Sparky

            How nice for you!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Thanks, Fucktardo, it is nice for me, you are correct.

            I’m going to be perfectly honest with you….we are a little disappointed in the edits and additions you made to your petition. I’m going to take the bull by the horns for you, and author this petition for you, in your name, based on your posts here, and on other boards.

            Petition for Kristen Lindsey to Keep her Vet License.

            Several months ago, Kristen Lindsey posted a picture of herself after killing a feral cat. Since that photo, the “TNR” lead by Becky Robinson and the Ally Cat Alliance have gone on a PR Campaign to distort the truth and laws in an effort to destroy the innocent, kind Lindsey.

            Kristen Lindsey killed a feral cat with an arrow (also known as a “bolt”). Federal and State law (as defined and ruled) by case law clearly states that use of a bolt in killing an animal is humane. Kristen Lindsey acted in a humane and professional manner when she shot Tiger.

            Tiger’s owners should have been charged with abandonment. Tiger was abandoned by his owners over three years ago….this was the reason he became feral. Due to the TNR’s campaign, the charges against Lindsey were over exaggerated, and the charges against Tiger’s owners were dropped.

            In China, and many other countries, cats are food. Since the majority of the world eats cats, it is okay for a Vet to humanely kill a feral cat.

            In conclusion, Kristen Lindsey killed a feral cat in self defense, and the TNR “kooks” have tainted the worlds perception of the event with lies and self severing untruths.

            Please take the above facts and case law into account before ruling on Lindsey’s license.

            Once the world sees your petition, Fucktardo, they will see how smart you are, and how stupid they were. You are going to change millions on minds with your brilliance. I’m glad we could work together on this.

            My best, Spergy

          • Sparky

            I don’t think you have enough education to
            properly lampoon somebody, Jeffy.

            That is what this thing you claim you are trying
            to do is called. A parody or lampoon.

            You would need more education for that to work properly.

            Usually it helps to know the political landscape.

            For example, when you tried to argue that I am wrong
            because of your numbers versus my side.
            44,000 or 300,000 (probably artificially inflated)
            versus 500, so you claimed superiority.

            But you know that’s not an accurate portrayal
            of the numbers is it, Jeffy?

            When I tried to get you to re-affirm that argument
            you backed away from it quietly.

            Oh sure the cat obsessed freaks can get
            very militant and make lots of noise about
            their cat obsessed crusade but your side
            has been taking a few really big hits lately.

            Even a few people who have run TNR colonies
            have started to attest that it does NOT work.

            Politicians in New Zealand have spoken
            AGAINST TNR there, Australia has such
            a feral cat disaster on their hands that
            TNR doesn’t stand a chance.

            The US CDC has spoken against TNR, as
            both a failed method and a danger to
            human health.

            Cat are now 4x as likely to carry rabies as
            they were before.

            How did they ever resolve that problem
            in Miami with TNR cat feces in the beach sand
            infecting huge numbers of people with hookworm?

            Did they shoot every last TNR cat?

            Certainly Miami would not have much patience
            with TNR cats threatening TOURISM!

            Hunters, wildlife managers and PETA are
            all against TNR.

            Meanwhile Becky’s sitting on MILLIONS
            from 2011 and paying herself 130K/year
            and a NICE expense account to travel
            around selling her disproven BS.

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            Alley Cat Allies (ACA) does not meet the following 5 Standards for Charity Accountability.

            Standard 1: Oversight of Operations and Staff – Organizations shall have a board of directors that provides adequate oversight of the charity’s operations and its staff. Indication of adequate oversight includes, but is not limited to, regularly scheduled appraisals of the CEO’s performance, evidence of disbursement controls such as board approval of the budget, fund raising practices, establishment of a conflict of interest policy, and establishment of accounting procedures sufficient to safeguard charity finances.

            ACA does not meet this Standard because its board of directors does not:

            Review the performance of the chief executive officer at least once every two years.

            Standard 4: Compensated Board Members – Not more than one or 10% (whichever is greater) directly or indirectly compensated person(s) serving as voting member(s) of the board. Compensated members shall not serve as the board’s chair or treasurer.

            ACA does not meet this Standard because:

            2 members out of the 5 member board of directors (40%) are compensated directly. One of the compensated board members is the chair of the organization.

            Standard 6: Board Policy on Effectiveness – Have a board policy of assessing, no less than every two years, the organization’s performance and effectiveness and of determining future actions required to achieve its mission.

            ACA does not meet this Standard because:

            The board of directors does not have a written policy stating that, at least every two years, an appraisal be done assessing the organization’s performance and effectiveness and determining future actions required to achieve its mission.

            Standard 14: Budget – Have a board-approved annual budget for its current fiscal year, outlining projected expenses for major program activities, fund raising, and administration.

            ACA does not meet this Standard because, when the organization provided budget information, it indicated that the budget:

            Did not identify total projected fund raising expenses.
            Did not identify total projected administrative expenses.
            Did not breakdown expenses by major program categories (i.e. law and policy, education and awareness, etc.)

            Standard 16: Annual Report – Have an annual report available to all, on request, that includes: (a) the organization’s mission statement, (b) a summary of the past year’s program service accomplishments, (c) a roster of the officers and members of the board of directors, (d) financial information that includes (i) total income in the past fiscal year, (ii) expenses in the same program, fund raising and administrative categories as in the financial statements, and (iii) ending net assets.

            ACA does not meet this Standard because the 2011 annual report did not include:

            Total expenses for each program in the same categories that appear in the organization’s financial statements.

            In addition, the BBB Wise Giving Alliance requested but did not receive complete information on the organization’s finances and solicitation materials and is unable to verify the organization’s compliance with the following 3 Standards for Charity Accountability: 8, 13, and 15.
            ACA meets the remaining 12 Standards for Charity Accountability.
            Purpose

            Year, State Incorporated: 1991, Delaware

            Affiliates: None

            Stated Purpose: “to transform and develop communities to protect and improve the lives of cats.”
            Programs

            Through advocacy campaigns, ACA works with grass-root rescue groups and individual caregivers to fight against feeding bans and other ordinances that endanger cats. The organization reports operating and maintaining a feral friends network of 2,000 individuals and organizations who are involved with issues relating to the management of feral cat colonies. ACA has also developed a network of veterinarians who are willing to neuter and treat feral cats, often at a discount and thus provide referral service for caregivers (many of whom are low or fixed income) with feral cats who require treatment. The organization publishes and distributes fact sheets on topics related to feral cats and it also publishes a quarterly newsletter, “Alley Cat Action.” Through ACA’s shelter and animal control program, the organization reaches out to shelters in order to promote nonlethal feral cat programs. ACA also helps shelters and animal control agencies to implement nonlethal feral cat control programs that strive to effectively solve the overpopulation crisis in a cost effective way. The organization reports that it offers free consultation to animal control agencies and humane societies across the United States in order to facilitate the implementation of trap-neuter-return method of feral cat population control. Some ($710,968 or 18%) of ACA’s program activities are conducted in conjunction with fund raising appeals.

            For the fiscal year ended July 31, 2011, ACA’s program expenses were:

            Humane care and outreach 2,876,571
            Education and awareness 766,162
            Law and policy 293,438
            Total Program Expenses: $3,936,171
            Governance & Staff

            Chief Executive : Rebecca R. Robinson, President
            Compensation*:
            $134,714

            Highest Paid Executive: Donna M. Wilcox, Vice President
            Compensation*: $139,650

            Chair of the Board: Donna M. Wilcox
            Chair’s Profession / Business Affiliation: Vice President of Alley Cat Allies

            Board Size: 5

            Paid Staff Size: 30

            *August 1, 2010 – July 31, 2011 compensation includes annual salary and, if applicable, benefit plans, expense accounts, and other allowances.
            Fund Raising

            Method(s) Used:

            Direct mail, print advertisements, grant proposals, Internet appeals, planned giving, and membership appeals.
            Fund raising costs were 12% of related contributions. (Related contributions, which totaled $5,903,254, are donations received as a result of fund raising activities.)
            ACA incurred joint costs of $1,105,350 for informational materials and activities that included fund raising materials. Of those costs, $710,968 was allocated to program expenses and $394,382 was allocated to fund raising expenses.
            Tax Status

            This organization is tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. It is eligible to receive contributions deductible as charitable donations for federal income tax purposes.
            Financial

            The following information is based on ACA’s audited financial statements for the fiscal year ended July 31, 2011.

            Source of Funds
            Contributions and donations 4,180,374
            Legacies and bequests 1,414,806
            Federated and nonfederated campaigns 288,784
            Investment and royalty income 63,356
            Merchandise sales 45,042
            Grants and foundations 19,290
            Other income 15,761
            Net realized and unrealized losses on investments -927
            Cost of goods sold -29,823
            Total Income $5,996,663

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            Uses of Funds as a % of Total Expenses

            Programs: 77% Fund Raising: 14% Administrative: 9%

            Total income $5,996,663
            Program expenses $3,936,171
            Fund raising expenses 722,887
            Administrative expenses 440,448

            Total expenses $5,099,506
            Income in Excess of Expenses 897,157
            Beginning net assets 3,767,613

            Ending net assets 4,664,770
            Total liabilities 332,159
            Total assets $4,996,929

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          • Sparky

            Are you sure that your nym change didn’t have
            anything to do with what you found when you
            did a traceroute, Jeffy? LOL

            Did you know Captain Crunch wore a Commodore hat?
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          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            I can change it back if it upsets you…we did it to make you less cunty!

            Sport, you aren’t the 1st cherry I’ve popped. The Commodore has been to a lotta proms, been in charge of a lotta kids, and listened to a lotta Anthony Robins books on tape about “Win/Win/Win”.

            You brought up some really smart points again today, and I still can’t figure out why you won’t start a petition. Your fear is the success your petition will bring you…the cheers, the applause, the accolades, the fame!

            So the royal we have decided to let the Commodore hold your hand, and help you. We are going to draft a petition on your behalf, in your words, with your logic, and set this wrong right!

            Now, I know what you are thinking….you’re thinking, “the good Commodore sounds too good to be true, and is going to STEAL my ideas and take the credit!” No sport, this draft is going to come from you. The Commodore just hates to see kids fail because they don’t have a strong hand to guide them.

            How awesome am I? You are welcome!

          • Sparky

            Are you sure that your nym change didn’t have
            anything to do with what you found when you
            did a traceroute, Jeffy? LOL

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Fucktard, are you off the meds again? This is the third time I’ve told you, we loved the name you created for us. I can change it back if you want. I was thinking “Jeff Spergum Makian”. Why are you acting like a bitch who had a shit filled sock jammed in her cunt?

            Stop worrying about the link you clicked, you’ve cried about it at least 8 times! Once you get 100k signatures on your petition (the one you said you wanted us to help you with), I’ll send you your IP, okay?…we have a deal, I gave you my word. Now stop worrying about it, Fucktardo, what’s done is done.

          • Sparky

            Whew! You sure are into scatology aren’t you?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Hey, come one now, be nice. I’ve been working on your petition you wanted us to create for you! You will LOVE it! We are going to post it here…https://www.change.org/

          • Sparky

            They’ll love your scat language. Why wait?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            No, the scat language is only for you, because we know it really bothers you. In all your posts (here and everywhere else) you’ve gone out of your way to delete dirty words, even when you quote someone.

            It wouldn’t be fair to misrepresent you in that way. Fucktardo, I am only going to use your words and logic in this petition.

            I’m glad you are on board and approve of me posting this petition for you! Now pull that bloody, shit and piss filled sock out of your cunt and turn that frown upside down!

          • Sparky
          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            yes, I bet she is. Well, at very least more proud of me for being smart enough to know what an ignorant fuck anyone who think’s what Kristen did is okay…so at least I bet she’s more proud of me than you, Fucktard!

          • Sparky

            You’re kind of sounding spergy again!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            I haven’t spergied since this morning!

          • Sparky

            Repeatedly.
            But it’s not all bad.

          • Sparky

            Morality is not exactly the strong suit of people with your brain disorder, Jeffy!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            can we use your quote in your petition?

          • Sparky

            Nope. you’ve been playing fast and loose with bad paraphrases as “hyperbole”.
            You are too late. You were fired Jeffy!

          • Sparky

            Why is that proxy chasing taking so long?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            I’ll make you a deal. I’ve had it for over a week. Once you get just 100,000 signatures on your petition, you have my word as a retired Naval Officer, I’ll send it to you.

            Deal?

          • Sparky

            Yeah, you’ve “had it” alright, Commodore! LOL

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            I still can’t believe there are dipshits, in this day and age, who click links in message board forums.

          • Sparky

            Just a little bit spergy?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Sparky, of course she is a monster. Only a monster takes pleasure in torturing a small animal. That’s why the entire world hates her, and we hate morons like you. I’ve shared some of your posts with the royal we, and they think you are either really stupid, or a very close friend to Kristen.

            Here is one of the pages we mention you…Spark, hundreds of thousands of people around the world think you are as much of a fucktard as Kristen. How proud your parents must be!!! LOL!

            https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kristen-Lindsey-cat-killing-vet/812367285526268?fref=ts

          • Sparky

            According to both Texas law and Federal law, a bolt to the head
            is a humane way to put down an animal, ie: not “torturing”.

            You hate me. So? You claim a gang that hates me. So?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            You dolt! You’re confusing a captive bolt compressed air gun with an arrow. Captive bolts are close range instruments…here, click this link…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr00arV2XIw

            I don’t hate you, you entertain me….you see, any fucktard who thinks everyone else is wrong, and they are smarter than 99.9% of the population is someone worth having fun with…and we are going to have fun, fun, fun! Even more fun, you started with me! LOL!

            Now you should read some of the comments about you from the folks on the “kill kristen” pages…some of those folks are scary. I’ll pray for you tonight.

            Don’t stay up too late!

          • Sparky

            But naturally you think you represent 99.9% of the population on this issue.
            Laughably absurd.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            ummm, sport, I don’t think I do – I know I do. Hundreds of thousands of Tiger supporters from around the world signed petitions, and Kristen had 500.

            300,000 to 500. Do the math, you dolt! Sport, what is laughable is that you think you’re smarter than everyone else from around the world. Go look up captive bolt and educate yourself before you open your stupid pie whole and make us laugh!

          • Sparky

            “pie whole”? LOL Genius!

            Jeffy: The bolt to the head thing is a legal issue presented by the DA.
            If you want to refute that, try Shepardized case law (Lexis/Nexis) and keycites (Westlaw).

            So 44,000 signatures got inflated to 300,000?

            You know, Jeffy, I took my position on this long before the
            Grand Jury handed down the “no bill” verdict.

            So doesn’t that make the 500 who chose right
            smarter than the 44,000 or 300,000 who
            chose wrong?

            Remember you’re the one arguing that a
            minority opinion is therefore wrong.

            Did you really think that line of reasoning would end well for you?

            Please flesh it out!

          • Sparky

            You mention “around the world” to support your position
            but you try to put down foreign and US numbers
            I posted as not being relevant. How CONVENIENT for you!

          • Sparky

            How many people who eat cat voted with you on your worthless petition?

          • Sparky

            Captive bolt vs crossbow bolt vs arrow

            It all comes down to the exact wording of the laws and
            caselaws doesn’t it Commodore?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            That’s the spirit! Now let’s turn your frown upside down and get to work on your petition!

            Fucktard, make sure when you start the petition you put in all you comments about what the laws say about the “bolts” okay? Because we really want to show all those folks from around the world how smart you are, and how stupid and wrong they were.

          • Sparky

            Apparently the internet is everything to you. Spergy much?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Yeah, Fucktardo, I did spergy this morning! I do tend to spergy very much!

          • Sparky

            Your argument style gave that away.

            Sir Commodore AKA Jeff Makian wrote:
            Yeah, F__tardo, I did spergy this morning! I do tend to spergy very much!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Fucktardo, you don’t know the difference between a nym and name! LOL, never mind having the mental horsepower to see an argument style!

          • Sparky

            How nice for you!

          • Sparky

            So, Jeffy, are the MILLIONS of people in the
            world who eat cat meat all monsters also?

            How about the 44 US states where eating
            cat meat is still legal?

            Where ARE your ethical boundaries exactly?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            oohhh, no! My pissing on you and slapping you around struck a nerve! I love owning you!!!! 10 posts in a row? LOL@U! You gotta try and compress your thoughts into one, well thought out and researched posts. I don’t mind helping you and teaching you, but I only have time for one post, and didn’t waste my time reading all 10 of yours. Here, watch and learn how I do it below…1 post.

            No, Fucktard (the royal we voted to make this your new name), state and federal guidelines calling for the use of a “bolt” aren’t referring to a crossbow arrow, it’s a compressed air gun – but thanks for the laugh for not knowing the difference! You can better educate yourself here…http://awic.nal.usda.gov/farm-animals/humane-slaughter

            Yes, lots of folks eat cats from around the world – but even the poorest, most under educated countries in the world have laws against torturing animals, even the ones they eat. People who eat cats, even the poorest ones, do NOT support the monster, Kristen Lindsey.

            Yes, if you kill your neighbors friendly cat, and laugh and post pictures of it, you are monster. No, moron, killing a cat by accident with a car isn’t the same as killing it with a crossbow.

            No, Fucktard, I currently don’t own 1 cat, but do have 3 dogs that were strays, and need homes.

            Yes, 500 Kristen supporters compared to 300,000 educated people (from around the world) put me with the educated majority, and you with the stupids. This is why Kristen not being prosecuted was never an issue (as I had pointed out months ago). She’s been living in fear, hiding at her parents home in Wyoming, the second she pulled her head out from under her rock, thousands and thousands of people outed her new name. There are a hundred groups, pages and websites dedicated to making sure Kristen gets the education she needs for the rest of her life. And that upsets you, because your parents failed to make sure you got a good education.

            We get that you aren’t smart enough to get it. Being in the lower 1% of the IQ pool has you feeling kinda down…check out this website – we’ve shared some of your better dipshit statements here, and several thousand people also think you are stupid (ps, your new name is “Fucktard”). https://www.facebook.com/pages/Remembering-Tiger/369833109877538?fref=ts

          • Sparky

            Jeff Makian wrote:
            “People who eat cats, even the poorest ones,
            do NOT support the monster, Kristen Lindsey.”

            cite?

            When you’re “beating me up” try not to get so upset, Jeffy!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1663199/china-write-animal-welfare-law-first-time

            For centuries, Chinese culture has taught respect and compassion for animals.

            http://www.peta.org/blog/chinas-groundbreaking-animal-protection-law/

            Sad that even a 3rd world country like China has more common sense than you and Kristen Lindsey. LOL!

          • Sparky

            You’re supposedly an animal rights person
            yet you place cats ahead of native species?

            You’re supposedly an animal rights person
            but now you’re trying to minimize the issue
            about Chinese mass consumption of cat meat?

            But I understand, really, you guys are emotionally
            and financially invested in focusing on Tiger.

            You posted a link to a story about animal protection
            laws regarding endangered species in China
            when “boiled alive cat” is still a fairly popular
            menu item there.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Ohhh, Fucktard. Where did I place cats over my native species? Are you off your meds again? We eat cows in the US, but if you posted a picture of yourself holding a sword thru a cows skull and put it on facebook, you’d be a monster. Eating an animal doesn’t make you a monster, it makes you hungry. Killing it and laughing about it makes you a monster. The Chinese aren’t torturing their food before they kill it and posting pictures of the torture.

            Your lack of logic is horrid – your parents should be punished for raising such a fucktard! What shitty public school did you go to??!

            Look, the entire world thinks you are stupid, and Kristen Lindsey is a monster. Because we are smarter than you, we are right.

            BUT, there is something you can do. There is a petition to have Kristen’s vet license taken away. That petition has 264k signatures. Since you are soooooo smart, and you know better than everyone else, start your own petition to SAVE Kristen’s license! Since so many people in China eat cats, you could easily get over 1million signatures!

            Really, Fucktard – all I have to say to you to keep slapping you around and ripping your stupid comments apart is, “look at the scoreboard”. Right now, the score board says “Smart/Good Guys = 264,000″ and “Dummies = 0″. That’s you, the dummies.

            So run along, and get to work. When you get your 1st 10 signatures, come back so we can laugh at you some more.

          • Sparky

            Do you think that a state veterinarians board
            should give a fig about 264K signatures on an
            internet petition?
            What makes you think that a state veterinarian
            board should be subject to a popularity contest?

            Plus, do you REALLY place a lot of stock in the
            response to any internet petition? REALLY??

            Please tell me again now how you are in the
            majority and a minority opinion is wrong!

            Isn’t it painful for the “majority” (obsessed special interest)
            to be proven wrong by a District Attorney and a Grand Jury?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Fucktard, get off your lazy stupid ass and start your own petition! The score is 264k to 0 in favor of us smart folks.

            Yes, I put a lot of stock in the number REALLY, you know why? Because only .01% of the population in the WORLD is stupid enough not to understand WHY torturing a small animal for fun is evil. That’s why YOU haven’t started the petition.

            Stop flapping your retarded mouth, and start working. Be sure to include all your retardo reasons WHY you are so smart (ie, the Bolt, the Chinese, State and Federal Laws) in your plea for signatures.

            Ball is in your court, only takes 1 minute to set up. Don’t be a spineless fucktard your whole life…now is the time to show the world how wrong they all have been!

          • Sparky

            You think starting a meaningless internet petition gives somebody a spine?
            ROFL

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Yeah, that’s what I thought you would say, Fucktard.

            But you are so smart and so right about this, and the petition could have some influence, since you could get so many signatures. Makes no sense why you wouldn’t start one.

            All blow and no go. In addition to stupid, ironically, you are also a pussy! LOL!

          • Sparky

            Jeffy! you seem ..tense.

          • Sparky

            “Chinese aren’t torturing their food before they kill it and posting pictures of the torture.”

            Do you want a video of Chinese cooking showing boiled alive cat?

          • Sparky

            Does it taste like chicken?

          • Sparky

            Jeffy wrote:
            “For centuries, Chinese culture has taught respect and compassion for animals.”

            Like when they make a dish called “boiled alive cat” ? Do you need the recipe?

          • Sparky

            Speaks volumes for the TNR feral cat colony groupies.

            Jeff Makian wrote:
            hey, did you hear the awesome news about Kristen Lindsey?
            She changed her name and re-opened her facebook page!

            https://occupytexasanimalwelfare.wordpress.com/2015/07/04/shes-back-back-on-facebook-after-no-charges/

            After 3 days, she and everyone on her “friends” list got death threats from around the world, and had to take her facebook page back down!!! Remember, I told you that would happen!
            That dipshit is going to be getting justice the rest of her life! Isn’t that great news?! 12:19 p.m., Wednesday July 8

          • Sparky

            I didn’t know that about you.

      • raptor2010

        She is a classic example of a psychopath as she shows no remorse and absolutely NO empathy. Sociopaths can blame their actions on a poor upbringing or childhood trauma; however psychopaths are born that way (they share many of the same traits) and given that her mother encouraged her behavior, AND took the picture, I believe it is safe to assume this is a genetic trait.

        • artfuldgr

          yeah… your right… you hate birds a whole lot and dont mind pet owners killing them by letting their animals out to commit murder.

          Outdoor cats kill between 1.4 billion and 3.7 billion birds a year

          Outdoor cats are the leading cause of death among both birds and mammals in the United States, according to a new study, killing 1.4 billion to 3.7 billion birds each year.

          The mammalian toll is even higher, concluded researchers from the Smithsonian Conservation Biology Institute and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, ranging from 6.9 billion to 20.7 billion annually.

          The analysis, published Tuesday in the journal Nature Communications, suggests that feral and owned cats pose a far greater threat than previously thought. One study in 2011 estimated that cats in the United States kill roughly half a billion birds annually.

          the “vet” knows this even if the people complaining here have no heart for wild animals and dont care what the owner does.

          think that cat would be dead if the owner kept it inside?

          • Seamus

            I agree. We need to change the concept of “pet cat” to only include indoor cats. If so many people didn’t let their family pets be feral, killing native species, we wouldn’t have a lot of the issues we have, including the disagreement over whether this was a “feral” cat.
            In my book, any cat that wanders free is a feral cat and should be fair game for trapping and extermination.
            Dogs aren’t allowed to roam free and as a result, a loose dog is obviously an escaped dog. Feral dogs are treated as such and escaped family dogs are taken to the pound.
            The cat’s owner should have kept it inside.
            The vet should have kept the picture off the internet.

          • Dutches62

            Just because your cat is outdoor or indoor/outdoor doesn’t make it feral at all

          • Sparky

            Outdoor cats should be a felony for invasive species, for harm to wildlife, and for animal neglect because when they pose as wild animals they can end up suffering a slow and painful death from raccoon, possum and other wildlife. The compalints about the ethical aspect of the bow and arrow killing are really just a knee jerk reaction by misfit cat people who see their “outdoor cats” as extensions of themselves.

            What REALLY happens when roaming cats are trapped and turned over to animal control is that the owners don’t want to claim them because a HUGE portion of those running loose belong to
            people who don;t want to pay for neuter, shots, flea care, etc. Such deadbeats know that if they find their pet at the shelter they have to PAY MONEY to get them out and have to PAY MONEY for the responsible Vet care they must get.

            Lots of these same people who are keyboard commandos and engage in animal rights terrorism are deadbeats afraid of actually having to pay the bill.

            When people who live in town do the
            “outdoor cat” thing it tends to be about shirking responsibility for the bills.

          • Marie M

            Way to stereotype, there.

          • Sparky

            Volunteer in animal shelter intake for a year.
            Then tell me about stereotypes.

          • FeelALot

            This may shock you, but I actually AGREE with a large portion of this, and have personally advocated for years, for far more responsible care and accountability by those with companion animals. I also know full well how heinous many ‘pet owners’ are, and act, and that they are mainly the root cause of the resultant issues and of course, hugely, for the animals themselves.

            HOWEVER…and it’s a BIG “however,” in no way do I ever believe it’s the ANIMALS THEMSELVES who should in any way pay for the crimes and failings of shi**y HUMANS and their shi**y choices and behaviours. But you, by comparison, seem to have some kind of weird disconnect going on there.

            There is also no connection between “animal rights” and “terrorism,” when animal rights activists have gone well BEYOND immature, selfish speciesism, in actually extending their compassion to INCLUDE nonhumans. That in fact is a VIRTUE, not a trait to be condemned or vilified. A very small minority of animal rights activists engage in violent
            tactics, but these few do not represent all activists, and most certainly NOT the majority of them.

          • Sparky

            Why would it shock me?
            You TNR cat people try the dumbest arguments.

            TNR people repeatedly made over simplified
            BLANKET statements about how it is absolutely
            ILLEGAL to shoot cats in every state.

            Nobody had to be a lawyer to know that
            was BS.

            The DA’s report on the Grand Jury “no bill”
            explained the lack of what lawyers call
            “subject matter jurisdiction”. There was
            no proof of where or when the photo was
            taken.

            I had been asking the TNR people to provide
            Shepardized case law (Lexis/nexis) and
            keycites (West Publishing) delineating the
            limits and exceptions to the law.

            Subject matter jurisdiction is far more basic
            though!

            Call around to attorneys for a free initial
            consultation and ask them how important
            subject matter jurisdiction is! LOL

          • Jewel Markess

            Indoor cats can escape too. She had to think the cat could’ve been someone’s pet – she didn’t care.

          • Kat

            feral and stray are not the same thing. My dog’s name is Seamus, he has alot more compassion than you though.

          • Seamus

            I’m sorry you feel that way. But who or what am I not showing compassion towards? And please enlighten me as to the correct metric I am to use to determine that feral cats are worth more to the world than billions of song birds and reptiles, more than the cost of the contamination to the groundwater by thousands of cats evacuating in my and other people’s yards, and more than the potential spread of toxoplasmosis through contaminated garden soil.

          • FeelALot

            Seriously?….LOLOLOL!!!!!! Now it’s “BILLIONS,” is it? And if you want to talk about “contamination,” particularly of groundwater…how about HUMAN activity, or Big Ag from the copious amounts of animal flesh you and your ilk have likely consumed and funded your whole life? Re: toxoplasmosis, you’re clearly not very up on that whole topic, either, but I don’t have all day here to explain everything to dimwits…

          • FeelALot

            Shows how little YOU know, when a true “feral” cat has NEVER been “owned,” but was born in the wild. That’s exactly what the term means. There are also many truly “feral” dogs, born in the wild and never “owned.” And if you naively think that all dogs, including “escaped family dogs” are all “taken to the pound,” you’re sadly mistaken. There is nothing “obvious” about it. Clearly, you have no education or experience in such issues, so this opinion is useless and baseless.

          • FeelALot

            “…any cat that wanders free is a feral cat and should be fair game for trapping and extermination.”
            By that non-compassionate ‘rationale,’ homeless people should also be treated the same. After all, THEY don’t have homes either, are “wandering” freely about, can spread disease due to their own poor health, can pose various threats to others (e.g. due to drugs, alcohol, violence, crime, mental instability), and are not being “productive” in society.

            Yet THEY, TOO, just like either abandoned or truly feral cats (which, I’ll repeat, Tiger was NOT of either), are NOT HOMELESS BY CHOICE. Your lack of moral compass or compassion, as well as your obvious speciesism, is astounding, and frightening.

            “…a loose dog is obviously an escaped dog.”
            Seriously??? You obviously have no knowledge of what happens in both many rural areas, and on Native Indian reserves, in regards to dogs.
            “…and escaped family dogs are taken to the pound.”
            In what dream world are you living??? The one where the vast majority of “authorities” are actually trained to tell the difference, AND where they actually care anyway? Or the one where these dogs, too, are NOT shot on sight, as if they’re “vermin” as well?
            And AS IF the average “pound” is some kind of holy salvation for any who make it there. Wow, what an utter ignorance of reality.
            Basically, you’re purporting that any living creature who is PERCEIVED (even falsely) as any kind of ‘threat’ or inconvenience should be blithely “exterminated.”

            No wonder this is such a cruel, callous, indifferent, and hellish world, with people like you and Kirsten Lindsey, et. al., running amok.

          • Jerome Drossart

            This cat was well fed and belonged to somebody, you pillock. Let’s start culling the herd of the most destructive species on the planet, shall we? What cats do naturally is minute, compared to the spectacular destruction caused by humans, responsible for the 6th Great Extinction(the very first anthropogenic mass extinction in the history of the planet), happening right now, due to exploding human populations, loss of habitats, climate change, deforestation, littering, the use of chemicals and so on.

          • FeelALot

            Hear-hear, Jerome! The absolute lack of accountability/blame these fools illustrate, but love to project onto everyone but themselves or the human species as a whole, would be gut-splitting if it weren’t all so serious in its implications. Just as the truly insane are the only ones who don’t question and can’t recognize their own insanity, yet everyone else can, same story here. They just don’t “get it.” So they make up stories, and use already-debunked, shoddy and obviously organization-biased studies as trumped-up ‘proof’ of their wild claims (e.g. the Smithsonian junk science ‘study’). Meanwhile, they just haven’t got a bloody clue. In essence, they just hate cats, but don’t want to come right out and say that.

            Hey, let’s all build a time machine and send them back to ancient Egypt, where they can all be slain for their heresy against the deservedly revered felines. On the way, we’ll pick up some persecuted ‘witches’ of yore from Salem as their traveling companions, to provide them a taste of their own medicine.

          • Marie M

            Well said! And high time somebody said it!

          • Sparky

            Well that completes the “cat lady syndrome” sociopathy!

            To use an anti-human environmental kook argument
            to support humans releasing an invasive predator to
            damage many native species is bizarre indeed!

            Marie M wrote:
            Well said! And high time somebody said it!
            11:48 p.m., Sunday May 10

            Jerome Drossart 13 days ago wrote:
            This cat was well fed and belonged to somebody, you pillock. Let’s
            start culling the herd of the most destructive species on the planet,
            shall we? What cats do naturally is minute, compared to the spectacular
            destruction caused by humans, responsible for the 6th Great
            Extinction(the very first anthropogenic mass extinction in the history
            of the planet), happening right now, due to exploding human populations,
            loss of habitats, climate change, deforestation, littering, the use of
            chemicals and so on.

          • FeelALot

            Bang on. Ironically and infuriatingly, it’s these same “pillocks” who don’t seem to have the capacity to see or fathom the bigger pictures and connections between everything, nor even compare things fairly and reasonably, who are the very types who have ignorantly and self-indulgently CAUSED the dire problem(s) we’re now facing on this planet.

          • Courtney Woods

            wow.

          • Kat

            Birds carry diseases and kill too, if you think about it we all kill or eat living things so who’s to say what living thing’s life is more important? Why should you get the final word? We could argue for insects and plants too? Why do birds get to kill to eat and cats don’t?

          • Seamus

            Because cats are an invasive species that disrupt the ecosystem.
            People aren’t allowed to let their dogs roam and neither should they be allowed to do so with cats. A cat that roams into my yard every day is as much a a nuisance as a dog that does the same, but it has a much higher kill rate on beneficial animals in my yard.
            Who gets to say which animals get to live?
            Well, I guess it’s not me, is it? But every dingus who cares so little about the health and well-being of their (ostensible) pet and the environment seems to think that they sure as hell have the right to. They also seem to think they have a special right to use my property as their “pet’s” litter box and hunting ground.

          • Ash

            My cat..is strictly indoor and she loves our bird friends we have in the house. So you know not every cats a killer…she grew up with my birds and she treats them as she would a kitten. Same as a dog friending a deer or even a cat. Animals learn to work with each other in the wild. lions tigers leopards are all big cats and I don’t see anyone posting about them killing off stock. They kill to eat and same for a feral cat they would hunt the Same. It is a pride mentality they will hunt to feed their pride. we all seem to forget nature has a balance and it is not our responsibilities as humans to step in and start killing things because we think something is suppose to be one way. If it wasn’t for us polluting the world with people and taking over all the indigenous area there would be more room for all the animals to thrive in their own environment but hey we are to worried about the million birds a cat is killing off…even though we should check out some areas where people are decreased and wild is wild bet the 2 million living thriving birds there are doing just fine. In areas with 1,000 of people…wow an over stock of animals with nowhere to thrive. Logically humans are the problem not the animals. i definitely don’t see people complaining over the 100,000 of thousands snakes being killed off each year….and kitty cats aren’t doing that. Or how about the 100’s of seagulls…don’t see to many of them being killed off. Everything has a cycle and nature has it ways….say what you want about cats but everything has a place on this earth and no one has the right to remove them for there own social acceptance

      • artfuldgr

        its city vs country..
        in the city, all animals but the ones you cant imagine affected are important
        in the country, an animal not with its owner and causing issues like killing song birds are a pest, and you get rid of them.
        you think your pet is so special? then dont let it lose to cause trouble!
        i dont see the owners goig to pay for the cats their cat maes having sex. do you?
        i dont see them replacing the song birds… do you?

        its the responsibility of the owner to protect their animals
        its not the responsibility of neigbors to let them murder the song birds, and cause issues, because the owner doesnt care ehnough to keep their pets inside, healthy and desease free.

        hey… if cat caught rabies, brought it in, and bit the baby, would you still think that this is a right thing to do with your pets? how about cat scratch?

        we haev a nut job in our neighborood that thinks that putting out boxes is creating an aniumal shelter, and then leaves food for the cats and rats. since they started their shelter, the feral cats now have kittens and you get to see dead cats all over… as they get run over and momma cat makes more and these losers who “care” for them keep feeding them to make more that the cars run over.

        • Jewel Markess

          This was an owned and likely vaccinated cat, so your rabies example is irrelevant

          • FeelALot

            Correct. Tiger WAS vaccinated.

        • Kat

          You see to all sane people, those”nutjobs’ just care about things other than themselves, I’m sure you’ll never grasp that concept though.

          • FeelALot

            Yes, and lots of us “nutjobs” ALSO campaign for responsible animal (ALL animals) guardianship AT THE SAME TIME AS fighting against animal neglect, abuse, exploitation, and cruelty, AS WELL AS for environmental causes, and a whole lot more. Maybe it’s only us “nutjobs” that are able to see the bigger pictures, all at once, and as a whole.

        • Sparky

          Why do they think they are alleviating the suffering of cats to support these feral cat colonies? Is this obsession with feral cats some sort of extension of their own ego or what? Felony for releasing invasive species, Felony for animal neglect and animal endangerment. Pet cats posing as wild animals die horrible slow and painful deaths so why do these so called cat lovers promote that?

          • FeelALot

            “Felony for releasing invasive species.”
            We’d best get started on covering the bulk of the planet with massive jails then, since human activity is to blame for the majority of that.
            A far more inclusive view and means of rebalancing on all levels would be Social Ecology. “Social ecology aims to replace our mentality of domination with an ethics
            of complementarity. Such an ethics reflects our true role which is
            to create a fuller, richer world for all beings.” And,
            “The problem is that the environmental changes
            we produce are far greater that those of other species. Our ‘second nature’
            has become a problem for ourselves and non-human life. How and why this
            happens is the key to solving our ecological crisis.” – Murray Bookchin

      • JoOV

        Not only did her mother think there wasn’t anything wrong, her friends didn’t think so either! Please see her Facebook screen shot at the end of this article: http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Veterinarian-Brags-About-Killing-Cat-with-Bow-and-Arrow–300293461.html?device=tablet&c=y

      • Micah Carey

        You’re correct. But the fact that she had no insight as to why people may be offended shows there is something very off about her!

    • DS

      But I thank her for posting it on Facebook because without her stupidity she might never have been brought to justice.

      • Sue Lawson

        I know, right? Obviously one of her “friends” didn’t find it so funny.

    • Content Generating Machine.

      I’d like to add to Mr. Wayne’s slogan with, “Life is hard…It’s even harder if you’re stupid and brag about being stupid on the internet”.

      Ahahhahaaa!

    • reneeroseh

      She didn’t have the legal right to “depose” of ANY domestic animal. I believe she knew it was her neighbors cat. Her neighbor watches cats for people all the time. So Tiger sauntered over into her yard. She made sure the next time he did, he would take the bait she had set out. Then with a mangled leg after being trapped, she walked right up to him and shot him with an arrow. This act doesn’t mesh with being a veterinarian. It makes what she did so much worse. I shutter to think what else she has done.

      • Father “Spergie” Makian

        Tiger trusted people…if injured, he likely limped directly towards Kristen. He likely thought she was going to help him, and he died slowly and painfully while she got her phone to take a picture.

      • dje3

        Check out your state laws, depending upon the state you may be totally wrong. IN fact in many states the intrusion onto your property of another’s animal (property) is a violation of your property rights. This is why many states have leash laws even for cats. An owner may have the RIGHT to deal with another’s property ellgally on thiers in many ways including instantaneous disposal.

      • Sam Scot

        You say you believe Kristen knew it was her neighbor’s cat. But first you have to believe it was in fact her neighbor’s cat, which the article doesn’t claim. So you’re believing it for your own reasons. And you know that by now, if it really were the neighbor’s cat, there would have been a public funeral with bagpipes and a minister.
        It’s perverse to get sentimental about feral cats—it’s a mockery of the sacredness of life. They aren’t pets, especially toms. They’re wild animals. There is nothing wrong with shooting them, and there is nothing incongruous about a vet who hunts. Sane people don’t worship animals or confuse them with people. Kristen sounds way saner than the author.

        • brian cox

          “It’s perverse to get sentimental about feral cats—it’s a mockery of the sacredness of life. They aren’t pets, especially toms. They’re wild animals. There is nothing wrong with shooting them, and there is nothing incongruous about a vet who hunts. Sane people don’t worship animals or confuse them with people. Kristen sounds way saner than the author.”

          Let me guess, you’re politically conservative? These words carry the stench of an archaic ideology and a depressingly dated value system (see “conservatism”). I believe the smell was especially strong when you asserted your opinion that “feral cats aren’t pets”. Well yes, sir, by definition a feral cat is not a pet. You’ve not stumbled upon a reveal here. According to the definition, Feral intends to mean “be in a wild state, especially after escape from captivity”, with synonyms including fierce, ferocious, savage and untamable.

          Can you prove that this cat did not in fact belong to the neighbor, or are you merely projecting your own narrative, just as the OP has? Further, can you prove that this cat was “in a wild state, fierce or untamable”? I don’t believe there was mention by Kristen that this cat was a nuisance, or created a hazard for any of us perfect, godlike and ethereal humans. If a cat is outside of a home, who decides it’s feral, you? Gross, I’d hope not. What if a cat was once domesticated but now abandoned, is it now feral? Even though it poses no threat, is it now fair game? Where does your myopic doctrine end?

          This is not about “a vet who hunts”, that dissonance was never even in question, you pulled that out of nowhere as an additional failed attempt to qualify your own bias. Pathetic. A vet who traps a cat, shoots it in the head with an arrow, then poses with the dead animal dangling from the arrow while smiling in a picture underneath a boasted caption is what is being judged here. That’s some weird, sociopathic, apathetic stuff man. And you’re defending what again?

          Sane people do and have worshipped animals for centuries (Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism). These cultures all followed the concept of “Ahimsa”, the refrain of destruction of life. An idea we’ve sort of, just maybe kind of, or maybe absolutely forgotten about in the West… because even though we’re herbivores, “meat tastes good, so screw it cook ’em up”, and even though humans are the most intrusive species on the planet “lesser beings are in the way of our progress, are inconvenient and should be destroyed”. And they did not confuse them with people, you kinda just added that in there to emphasize your fragile point. You’re not as sneaky as you’d like to believe.

          Who are you to decide what is sacred in life? You’re absolutely nothing. I’m nothing. We are not sacred. The only thing sacred in this life is the revolution of earth. Especially not your silly, pathetic and intrusively dogmatic opinions. You’re a gross person.

          • Kat

            Thank you, wonderful comment.

        • Jewel Markess

          Look at the pictures. There is a picture on the web of the neighbor’s cat and there is a picture of this cat, and they are completely identical.

          • Sparky

            Lots of cats are identical. So?

        • Kat

          They are living creatures, different from humans but no less deserving of life. We don’t worship animals because we care. you’re just being ridiculous and way over exaggerating because the facts on their own don’t support your stance.

          • Sparky

            Please resolve the MILLIONS of cats that get the lethal injection each year in the USA before you argue in favor of the sacredness of the life of feral cats.

            Feral cats routinely die in ways that are vastly more painful and slow than an arrow through the skull.

        • Sparky

          Agreed.
          I liked the part about “a public funeral with bagpipes and a minister.”

          I’d like to more fully understand the psychology of these Feral Cat Supporters.
          For them to claim “cruelty” for killing one
          is absurdly contradictory considering how
          feral cats routinely die slowly and painfully.

          They do seem to anthropomorphize them
          and seem to see outdoor cats as an extension of themselves somehow.

          I love dogs and cats.

          I do NOT believe in outdoor or feral cats.

          If they want to help cats they should get rid of feral ones and help friendly ones to be adopted rather than being part of the millions put down each year in the USA alone.

      • artfuldgr

        the cat should not have been outside… what is wrong with you people?
        if you left your cat with someone and they let it out, wouyld you blame the person watching? no… you would not mind that the pet you cared for and kept home came back with a parasite for your family… eh?

        • suzyq

          You sir (and I use the term loosely) are a fucking idiot. Agreed that cats are generally healthier and live longer lives when they’re indoor cats. Some people do let their cats outdoors, because love being out doors, and sometimes indoor cats escape. What makes you think nay of us have the right to decide to murder them?

        • Kat

          It is very easy for a curious animal to get loose.

      • Sparky

        Outdoor cats are animal neglect, endangerment and cause more suffering of cats. Raccoons will skin them alive and turn their fur inside out with them alive the whole time. Is that “humane”?

        • reneeroseh

          Doesn’t matter what your opinion is, or even mine. Killing a domestic animal is a jail felony as well as torture. They’re both jail felonies.

          • Sparky

            In what state? What is the legal code number?
            Cars hit them all the time. Jailable felony?

            And they don’t always die instantly, so limp
            away to die slowly and painfully in the brush.

          • Sparky

            What are the exact legal codes you are referring to?

            reneeroseh wrote:
            Doesn’t matter what your opinion is, or even mine. Killing a domestic animal is a jail felony as well as torture. They’re both jail felonies.

        • Marie M

          “Outdoor cats are animal neglect, endangerment”

          As you said, “In what state? What is the legal code number?”

          Otherwise, it’s just your opinion, no more valid than anyone else’s.

          • Sparky

            Please explain how you think “outdoor cats” do not
            represent animal neglect and endangerment.
            I look forward to your arguments.

            Somebody else claimed that killing any domesticated animal is a felony.
            I have seen conflicting claims, some say felony, others misdemeanor.

            In your excitement to try what you thought was turnabout,
            you ended the quoted portion of my post in a way that
            implies you meant to quote me out of context.
            Say it isn’t so!

            Marie M wrote:
            “Outdoor cats are animal neglect, endangerment”
            As you said, “In what state? What is the legal code number?”
            Otherwise, it’s just your opinion, no more valid than anyone else’s.

            Full context that came from:

            Sparky wrote:
            Outdoor cats are animal neglect, endangerment and cause more
            suffering of cats. Raccoons will skin them alive and turn their fur
            inside out with them alive the whole time. Is that “humane”?

    • Barry

      She should have frowned. Then maybe people wouldn’t be talking about it.

      • Father “Spergie” Makian

        No, frowning wouldn’t have helped….what she wrote was overly joyful.

        What a stupid move for someone who took an oath to ease all animals pain. What a dumb move with so many examples of people who’ve had social media blow up in their face.

        Now she’s going to pay for her idiocy…for the rest of her life.

        • artfuldgr

          she saved thousands of birds ands small animals vrom being killed by the cat for nothing… cats do kill for pleasure… and they sometimes bring such kills home to the owner as tribute… does the owner eat them, or say, the cat loves me…let me kiss her and let her get her spit coverd fur in my childrens face?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            wow, unreal. This is a new level of stupid, and given your company, that’s really saying something.

          • Kat

            birds kill, whats your point?

          • Sparky

            Pet and feral cats are an invasive species.
            They are NOT supposed to be part of the ecosystem.

    • artfuldgr

      if the cat was loved so much, why was it out of the house?
      keep your pets inside with you, or on your property, and they wont be pests.
      cats kill birds, voles, mice, etc… and will bring toxiplasmosis gondii back for their owners.
      this parasite affects humans and their mental behavior…

      • Father “Spergie” Makian

        Well, I love my dogs, but I let them outside the house.

        Cats are an important part of the ecosystem. Disney uses cats to control the rat population.

        Common sense. Even if you don’t like any animal, when you take an oath to humanely dispose of them, and you don’t…just moronic.

      • Kat

        birds carry far more diseases and roam on everyone’s property, can I just shoot them then?

      • Sparky

        Maybe you hit on something there.

        Like that fungus that controls the brain of ants and makes them do their bidding, is it possible that these insane Feral Cat Supporters are infected and made to obsess with ferals while MILLIONS of friendly cats are given the lethal injection each year in the USA alone?

        • Marie M

          You seem to be hung up on “friendly” cats being euthanized. I had to have my “friendly” 19 1/2 year old cat euthanized, because of illness and age. It was the humane thing to do, but it broke my heart. “Friendliness” or “unfriendliness” was not a factor. Please get off that broken record.

          • Sparky

            There are some people and even groups who support feral cat colonies. Feral domesticated cats are never truly feral, put a big strain on the indiginous wildlife populations and add to risks for infectious cat diseases and fleases. They are NOT friendly.
            Of the MILLIONS of cats put down in the USA each year, these
            cat colonies should be at the TOP of the list, not promoted or assisted by Trap Neuter Release groups, and not fed by such
            support groups. That is why the “friendly” (herein read adoptable)
            distinction was made. Those people waste resources on cats that are not adoptable and so should be put down.

            My super friendly super smart cat was healthy enough at 15
            that he was expected to hit 20, but an upper respiratory virus
            did him in. I lived in an inner city place where alley cats were very visible and an everyday thing. Medically aware, I was always terrified even when walking him (on harness and leash) that he might touch noses with a cat with Feline Leukemia (cat AIDS). I helped a friendly alley cat or dumped cat to be adopted once. It was a beautiful “Tortie” and turned out to be pregnant.

            I am strongly against “outdoor cats” and feral cat colonies
            because of the risks, medical neglect, their suffering,
            harm to true wildlife and the spread of cat diseases and fleases.

            People over 80 years old might have the old idea that cats belong outside at night. Younger people should not, but some still deliberately release domesticated cats into the outdoors. Some of those people are also deadbeats too broke or cheap to pay for vet care for their cat or cats. I saw at least one person with an “outdoor cat” refuse to pay for vet care by reasoning that it’s only an “outdoor cat”. For some people that is a way to duck vet bills.

            Marie M wrote:
            You seem to be hung up on “friendly” cats being euthanized. I had to
            have my “friendly” 19 1/2 year old cat euthanized, because of illness
            and age. It was the humane thing to do, but it broke my heart.
            “Friendliness” or “unfriendliness” was not a factor. Please get off
            that broken record.

          • Marie M

            It is possible to vaccinate against FeLV.

          • Sparky

            To vaccinate feral cats means you are deliberately releasing
            an invasive species at the expense of native wildlife. Plus:

            Cats running loose “outdoor cats” or feral rarely die happy humane deaths.

            If they are lucky they get killed outright by a car.
            But most hit by cars are injured and die slowly and in great pain.

            Most forms of death for feral cats are cruel and painful.
            Raccoon skinning them alive is only one of the painful ways.

            Snake bite?

            Freezing to death rapidly at -20F would be humane. It induces sleep.

            Slow nagging hypothermia would be a very painful and cruel death.

  • misskitty1209

    Im not a huge fan of punishment for hurting peoples feelings, however, this is a despicable act. Not only the killing of a domesticated pet but the way she bragged about it, posted in social media with other arrogant comments. Eff this chick. Burn in hell.

    • Buford

      I agree. It’s also noteworthy that her ‘current interests’ list included ‘killing animals’. Even if we generously presume that she meant that strictly in the context of legal and licensed hunting, that’s a odd way to describe what she likes to do… and it perhaps belies the fact that she has fundamental flaws in her character. No pity here, whatever happens to her.

  • cincol3r

    She breached every aspect of what a veterinarian stands for. She did not stand up to the DR. in front of her name. There was no complying with the Code of Ethics or Code of Conduct and certainly that is no way of practise towards animals. As a veterinarian, she was also to portray herself as a role model. Some role model. Not even close. If anything, even if Tiger was out in the community on the loose, there was a much nicer way of helping Tiger and that was not with an arrow. What this all comes down to is accountability. If anything, because of this I want to be even a better master. We love our pets and this appreciation for our pets is at an even higher scale than it already was before all this happened.

    • Buford

      Agree, and writing online that your current interests include “killing animals” should have been sufficient to warrant the revocation of whatever vet licenses she holds.

      • Sparky

        Sadly, each vet has to be part of the MILLIONS of friendly cats given the lethal injection each year in the USA. For a vet to not be able to accept the death part of their job would be problematic.

        Her biggest problem is not truly ethical or being humane.
        Her big problem was not understanding PEOPLE
        and running afoul of PUBLIC RELATIONS.

        The Vet INDUSTRY will probably yank her license because they want to protect the PUBLIC RELATIONS image of their INDUSTRY.

        • Buford

          Would you visit a doctor who openly confessed that they enjoyed seeing people die? Of course not. It’s ridiculous to conflate a vet’s necessary role in euthanasia with her getting a thrill out of ‘killing animals’.

          • Sparky

            If a vet says they enjoy killing animals that might be a sarcastic comment about their part in the euthanasia of MILLIONS of friendly cats in the USA each year.

    • dje3

      suggest that you look up the xenophobic disease transmittable by feral cats as well as the destruction enveronmentally that they pose to us. They kill BILLIONS of birds and amphibians and reptiles a year, they are in fact one of the worst environmental disasters that exist in our society. Pleas refer to the Audubon society if you have any questions about the facts involved.

      • cincol3r

        And you better see that the cat she killed was not a feral cat. It was her neighbours cat.

      • Gloria Rockel

        No, they do NOT kill billions of birds every year. That is based on a bad extrapolation, with the one area of data is extrapolated over the whole US, despite huge parts of the US not being inhabited, not having any cats at all, let alone ferals. It would be as if someone stated that there are 5 child molesters per square mile in a certain area and then taking the square miles of the US, multiplying it by 5, and saying that’s the number of child molesters in the US. It doesn’t work.

      • kmeccat

        Wow.
        Suggest YOU look up “xenophobic” :
        Xenophobic definition:
        “unreasonably fearful of or hating anyone or anything foreign or strange.”
        Describing yourself are ya?

        ROFLMAO …try again.

        I’m assuming you meant “zoonotic”?
        Diseases which can be transferred between animals and humans.

        Aside from rabies, and toxoplasmosis, most cat diseases are not zoonotic.
        If you’re worried about your cat contracting FeLV, FIV, FIP, vaccinate your cats and/ or keep them indoors.

        Also, you keep mentioning how many *billions* of birds, etc cats kill. I can assure you that they do not kill a fraction of the amount that hawks, owls, falcons, other predators and, of course, we humans do (poisoning, cars, deforestation/ habitat destruction/ windmills, etc).
        Cats also eat or kill lots of rodents, which is very beneficial to humans.

        • Sparky

          Killing rodents is not always beneficial to humans. Many rodents are not human pests.

      • Kat

        Birds and reptiles are known for their diseases! Both can and do kill other living things also.

  • Crystal Sellers

    the only FB page supporting this psychopath is the “carnivores for Kristen Lindsay” and they all seem to be cat/animal haters in general.

    “Dr. Lou Tierce, lost his license and faces a criminal case—but 44,000 people didn’t lobby on Facebook for his punishment. ” Not as many followers on FB as no dedicated page was opened, most of them went to the Examiner site or directly to the petitions posted in other animals cruelty related groups.

    • John Smith

      Yes- and He didn’t brag like Kristen Lindsey did. Very different circumstances. Kristen’s crime/demeanor/lack of remorse so much more egregious

      • KAE986

        Great point about the other doc you guys. I remember signing that petition when it came out but again as you said, it was not as widely known because he did not make a vile social media post, bragging about the atrocities he was committing.

    • Sue Lawson

      They seem to be doing more harm than good for the psychopath.

  • El Paschall

    she shot that cat as it looked up at her!!! that cat was a pet, it was TRUSTING of humans and she took that shot! she was CLOSE to him…he TRUSTED HER! someone that was sworn to protect and help animals! Yes…we are NOT going to let it go!

    • acninee

      That’s the essence of it El.. the breach of trust. You are so right.

    • jmcsweeney

      First she put out a leg trap to snare it. Then shot him while he was in the trap. Look at the picture. She ripped his leg off pulling him out of the trap. Its all horrifying.

      Ive only heard about shooting tomcats with bb guns in movies from the 50s. No normal person shoots domesticated animals with arrows. Even a feral cat you just catch in a humane cage and neuter then release him. At the most put him to sleep if he has a disease. I can only imagine that some really awful abuse happened to her as a child.

      • Sue Lawson

        I was wondering why he had blood on his leg. Also she shot him in the face, he may have been looking right at her.

      • Sparky

        Releasing feral or pet cats outside should be a felony. Harm to other species, animal neglect of the cat, endangering the cat due to raccoons and other predators or other slow painful death. Feral cats generally do not die humane deaths.
        So why complain about the arrow through the skull?

  • Heather Holland Bearz

    Makes you wonder how many healthy animals she put down at her job? and BTW what a way to make her parents proud….Inexcusable!!!

    • Foster_Mom

      Her parents were proud. Her mother took the picture as her father stood by. They are just as despicable as her

      • Heather Holland Bearz

        My heart just dropped….

        • Lucy Van Pelt

          Her mother took the picture and proudly admitted it under the grotesque picture while gleefully adding that she and “Jack” were there “when it all went down”. The nasty old witch that gave birth to the murderous veterinarian is also the County Treasurer of Big Horn Wyoming. She also needs to lose her job as a public servant. They are a family of elitist,
          entitled, sociopathic pigs.

          • dje3

            got enough venom? how about a few curses too?

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Is that against the law? If not, then MYOB. You are defending the psycho vet and her fugly ass mama???? Just go away

          • Gloria Rockel

            Why are you defending a sociopath/psychopath/narcissistic hateful, evil, killer who is a disgrace to the profession of veterinarians?

          • Sparky

            This is the intersection of the pathology of the internet combined with misfit cat people obsessing with the greatness of supporting Feral Cat Colonies on their neighbors land.

    • Darlene Davis

      Her Mother bragged about being the one who took the photo! So you can see how she was brought up.

      • Sparky

        Killing feral cats is not unethical.
        Her real crime was pissing off the “cat lady” crowd on the pathological internet.

    • DS

      Her mother took the picture and watched as she shot the cat – they could care less… the apple doesn’t call far from the proverbial tree. Who do you think taught her to be so callous and uncaring about animals?

      • Chris Busby

        hang them both scum of the earth

        • DS

          I’m good with that – the dad too…

          • Sparky

            Animal Rights terrorism?

            DS
            I’m good with that – the dad too…

        • Sparky

          Animal rights terrorism?

          Quit encouraging outdoor cats and feral cat colonies.

          Chris Busby

          hang them both scum of the earth

    • Sue Lawson

      I was wondering the same thing.

    • Sparky

      Heather Holland Bearz
      “Makes you wonder how many healthy animals she put down at her job?”

      MILLIONS of friendly cats are given the lethal injection each year in the USA alone.

      EVERY Vet is part of that. It’s part of their job.

      Her parents had to give up one, possibly two jobs and move to another state because of animal rights terrorism and death threats.

  • Sally Waters

    Have the actual owners of Tiger spoken publically?

    • Darlene Davis

      Yes. There is a Youtube video of the owner (Amy Hensell) showing Tiger riding around with her on a tractor with her.

      • Darlene Davis

        She had made a statement on her FB status that if that was indeed Tiger there would be hell to pay.

      • Darlene Davis

        Sorry, her name is Amy Hemsell.

        • Anne Ward

          Hemsell was the cat sitter. Did the actual owners say anything?

          • Sally Waters

            That’s what I was wondering? I mean do we really know that it was someone’s pet? It seems like the owners would have come forward by now. Now…I am not saying it was okay to shoot the cat even if it was feral. I just think there has been no real proof that it was “Tiger” until the owners come forward.

          • John Smith

            Owners have come forward (not in public eye) and I understand are going to press charges against her
            People have compared the pictures-markings are the same, residences in close proximity, timing of cat missing similar.

          • Sally Waters

            I have read the same reports but unless/until the owners come forward it is all just hearsay,

          • Guest

            If ten or a hundred or a thousand people in the town came forward and EACH said “that’s MY orange tabby!” I wouldn’t believe it and it couldn’t be true. I would examine the photos. We have the photos before us now. I don’t think photo evidence is necessarily 100% but there are standards we can all see and agree upon. I would generally much sooner take the photographic records, – as long as it’s not photoshopped- comparing two photographs to identify a more advanced or unique living organism or being (like a cat, a possum, a person- not say, a scarab beetle or bottle fly.) Not just in the absence of witness statements- because often those are unavailable but photo evidence is, not just in legal cases but in life, and also, over witness statements if there were a conflict between witness testimony, and photos. Human cognition is built to filter in all sorts of ways, and human memory is not necessarily accurately enduring. (We all forget or selectively edit or mis-see things, and our memories of say, childhood or so on, fade or alter over time. Photos, unless they color fade, don’t change so radically.) So photos of any unique situation or unique creatures, tend- with exception but generally tend to be more reliable than human testimony. I would not necessarily take photo evidence over witness statements in identifying manmade objects because they are not necessarily unique enough, unless the witness was dubious or unreliable. It’s too easy to fake manmade things. And they’re so indistinguishable with a good fake that I’d prefer someone familiar with the item in real life over a photo, all other things being equal. YMMV.

          • Darlene Davis

            GOOD! About the owners pressing charges, I mean! She deserves jail time!

          • dje3

            This would depend upon the location of the kill and state law. In many states a property owner has the right to protect his property from invasion by anyone or anyone’s property (animals) invading and causing damage.

            If this was diseased animal then ANY of her animals and even herseof was at risk of xenophobic transmission of disease.

            If this was a KNOWN pet of a neighbor who was a responsible pet owner, then that is a different story. Nothing I have read leads me to believe that this is the actual case, all seems to be supposition.

          • Gloria Rockel

            Not in Texas. This cat wasn’t diseased or attacking this maddeningly insane veterinarian. And what’s a “xenophobic transmission of disease?” The phrase doesn’t even make sense. “Xenophobic” means “having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.” Do you think the cat was prejudiced? At any rate, in Texas, you can’t just shoot a cat, feral or not, without the owner’s permission.

          • LFW

            Well, well, well…it looks like it was not Tiger after all.

          • John Smith

            One other thing that makes this especially bad is several vets have seen the picture-based on positioning of cats legs, it was still alive at the time of the picture. I can only imagine the pain. That piece of trash from Wyoming needs to suffer in jail

          • Sally Waters

            I completely agree. She needs jail time for this offense.

          • Guest

            I think the issue is more “who owned Tiger?” rather than “was Tiger the cat who was killed”. I think it’s the same cat. Best I can piece together is that Tiger was rescued (not sure what group, or if Tiger was formally rescued by a register group, or just taken in) – and I can’t tell if there was a legally registered ‘forever’ owner- or if Tiger was a ‘rescued foster cat’- who was under the care of the housesitter. You’re right, killing any random cat you see, and without checking and in a cruel way is wrong. But yes spot-on, there’s a real blur about whether Tiger had an official ‘forever owner’ as such, or was a foster, and if they were rescued by formal animal rescue group, or rescued informally and with a caretaker. Just an opinion- investigation and so on will (one hopes) sort that out. The thing that hurts me, is that it’s wrong, but I feel for the people, whatever the ownership status is- in a legal framework- that people cared about this little guy very much, cared to rescue him and love him. I have loved my foster cats, waiting for ‘forever’ homes and put just as much time and love and money and vet bill and feeding care into them, as my ‘own’ cats. There ARE wierd things about ‘the owner’ flying all over and nobody has a straight story there. But still, this cat was personally cared about. I’d be crushed if a cat in my care went missing and was discovered that way on FB. It makes me afraid for my guys too.

          • Sally Waters

            I agree with you. It was WRONG regardless of whether the cat belonged to someone or was feral. it was inhumane and criminal.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            The owners have come forward and are pressing charges. They live across the street from the murderous veterinarian. They are devastated and are pressing charges, they choose to remain anonymous at this time. Clearly, you have not done your due diligence and learned the FACTS of the case before you go spouting off and chastising everyone else for not “knowing the facts” before they judge.

          • Sally Waters

            Please post your source of information.

          • LFW

            Well, well, well…it looks like it was not Tiger after all despite your certainty.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            New profile stalker???? What happened to Sod??? Or is it Holden???? Or TNR Researcher??? Or Sparky? How many profiles did you actually create to troll this story?

            Let’s get something straight you coward – just because the Austin County Sheriff and the DA didn’t do their job – doesn’t mean that there was no crime committed.

            And the rest of the world is much smarter than you are. So stuff it

          • LFW

            Hahahahaha!! Just can’t seem to admit you were wrong huh?

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            I am not wrong because the sheriff dept didn’t do their job. You are too stupid to know the difference, of course. And still a coward and a stalker.

          • LFW

            By golly you must just be smarter than all of us. Smarter than the entire sheriff’s department, the DA’s office, the grand jury. Well you’re just a god damn genius. A super sleuth.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Yes, I am. I have no hesitation in saying that I am indeed smarter than all of you combined.

          • LFW

            Mmm-hmm you’re a vet, a detective, a legal scholar, and a scientist all rolled into one. You must have dozens of degrees. Tell us all about your extensive credentials please

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            You extrapolated all of that just from my one comment where I state I am smarter than you? LOL And you have the audacity to wonder why I think I am smarter than you?

            Just stop trolling me already Sod, or Holden or sparky or LFW…..Go ask your cat killing girlfriend for a date or something and leave me alone already – I bet there’s a good special at Denny’s.

          • LFW

            So I take it you are NOT highly educated after all. Otherwise I am sure you would have listed your various degrees.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Sure I would have, because you know I need to impress trolls like you who hide behind countless fake accounts to harass and stalk people. LOL Yep, no education at all….and STILL smarter than you and your imaginary friends you troll with.

          • LFW

            That’s what I figured…why do all uneducated people consider themselves more intelligent than others? No doubt your are overcompensating for your inadequacies.

          • Sparky

            All of your opponents are the same person?
            You’re cracked, Becky!

          • Sparky

            I heard that about you, Becky!

            Lucy Van Pelt wrote:
            Yes, I am. I have no hesitation in saying that I am indeed smarter than all of you combined. 5:38 p.m., Wed June 24

            LFW wrote:
            Mmm-hmm you’re a vet, a detective, a legal scholar, and a scientist all rolled into one. You must have dozens of degrees. Tell us all about your extensive credentials please 5:44 p.m., Wednesday June 24

          • LFW

            Who’s Becky?

          • Sparky
          • Sparky

            ROFL Becky Robinson! LOL

            LFW wrote:

            By
            golly you must just be smarter than all of us. Smarter than the entire
            sheriff’s department, the DA’s office, the grand jury. Well you’re
            just a god damn genius. A super sleuth. 5:35 p.m., Wed June 24

          • Sparky

            Nice job Becky Robinson!
            Loved that reward naming the target.
            Later I see it got changed to “perpetrator” LOL
            Lucy Van Pelt wrote:
            New profile stalker???? What happened to Sod??? Or is it Holden???? Or TNR Researcher??? Or Sparky? How many profiles did you actually create to troll this story?

            Let’s get something straight you coward – just because the Austin County Sheriff and the DA didn’t do their job – doesn’t mean that there was no crime committed.

            And the rest of the world is much smarter than you are. So stuff it
            5:19 p.m., Wednesday June 24

          • Sparky

            Amy Hemsell (Tiger’s caretaker) has been keeping
            the names of the seniors who abandoned Tiger
            three years ago a secret.
            They moved from TX to AZ 3 years ago, abandoning Tiger.

            That violates the abandonment clause in the
            Texas animal cruelty statute.

          • Darlene Davis

            I thought Amy was the owner, but I guess not. I just checked her Facebook page, and I guess she’s speaking for the owners. It’s just terrible that this happened. I know how I’d feel if it was a cat of mine! I really haven’t been this upset since my own cat died a couple years ago. Thankfully of old age! I made him as comfortable as possible and told him how much I loved him.

          • Sally Waters

            Good for you. It is truly horrible that this woman shot this cat. I don’t think it really matters whether it was someone’s pet or not. Even if it was feral it was wrong to kill it.

          • Sparky

            Amy Hemsell claimed to be the cat’s caretaker for
            three years, since the senior owners moved from
            TX to AZ and abandoned Tiger the cat.

            That would violate the abandonment clause
            in the Texas animal cruelty statute.

            That’s why Amy is keeping their name a secret.

    • Nicole Wilson

      From what I understood Tiger was owned by an elderly gentleman. If so he probably is very distraught and the elderly don’t usually like that sort of attention.

      • Sally Waters

        That is what we have all “heard”…where is the actual evidence that is true?

        • PhattElvis

          The pet sitter’s word is competent evidence. She knew Tiger. She was charged with his care on a regular basis. Surely, she could identify him.

          • Sally Waters

            People please… I am attorney and I am on your side. Let’s not all get defensive at once. No one can make a reliable id of a cat from a photograph. We are talking are about legally sufficient evidence here…not social media propaganda.

          • Carol Christoforatos

            Tiger and the cat Kristen Lindsey shot have exactly the same unusual white markings on the left back leg. I’d be willing to bet she and her family destroyed the body, so photos are probably all there is to go on.

          • Sally Waters

            That just won’t cut it in court. It’s unfortunate but it is not sufficient proof.

          • Carol Christoforatos

            That’s okay, the court of public opinion will make sure life as she once knew it is over. She’ll be lucky to get a job scrubbing porta potties.

          • Sally Waters

            Is the court of public opinion what do we really want ruling in our society? Perhaps you recall reading about the Salem witch trials in school???

          • Carol Christoforatos

            Best case scenario would be that she’s charged with a crime, prosecuted, given jail time and loses her license, but according to you, that’s not likely to happen because photo’s seem to be all they have as proof. The fact is she’s killed a cat in just about the cruelest way possible after taking an oath to protect animals and to prevent or relieve their suffering. If she’s able to avoid punishment because of a lack of evidence, then yes, I believe the public should treat her like a pariah. We’ve all seen this gruesome photo that she boasted about on her Facebook page. We’ve all seen the comments that her mother posted bragging about watching the whole thing go down and admitting to taking the picture. She may get to walk amongst us, but we will know that she is a monster and she’ll be treated as such. Thankfully, the internet will serve as the record keeper of this disgusting act of cruelty so any potential employer that put’s her name in that Google search box will be able to see exactly the kind of person she is.

          • DS

            They can obtain her FB page from FB via a warrant and confirm that she admitted killing the cat and the picture’s authenticity. Also, I believe she admitted the killing on the Vet’s website too and I believe she also told the authorities she killed the “feral” cat because she is so arrogant that she still believes she did nothing wrong. She is a complete and utter idiot and a psychopath.

          • Carol Christoforatos

            I was watching the comments on the Washington Animal clinic’s sites from pretty early on. I don’t believe she ever commented on there. She did however, comment several times on her own FB page admitting what she had done. The authorities have not said that she has admitted anything. She initially refused to speak with them. She was suppose to be coming with her attorney to speak with the police. The last comment on this that we heard from the Sheriff was she may or may not come in. The sheriff was of the opinion that he didn’t have enough evidence to arrest her. He has since turned over all of the evidence to the District attorney for him to decide how to proceed. They probably wouldn’t need to even go as far to ask FB for her records if they searched her computer and phone. Those records would still be on those devices.

          • DS

            I believe her admissions on her Facebook page will be enough. They can get those from FB and use as evidence. I don’t think there is any doubt she did it – she is way to proud of herself and made the admission to way too many people.

          • Carol Christoforatos

            You’re right about her being proud. I’m willing to bet many of the people she worked with heard all kinds of ghastly stories. I hope they question them. We know for sure that one of her co-workers made a comment on her post.

          • Sparky

            Arrow through the head is most definitely NOT the “cruelest way” for an outdoor or feral cat to die. Raccoons skin them alive turning their skin inside out like a living bloody sock. But that’s NATURE for ya! Predators and even other cats can kill them, and not “humanely”. Getting killed instantly by a car might be the most humane death, but unfortunately cats get hit by cars and often die slowly and painfully. The arrow through the brain pan is more humane than most other deaths for a feral or outdoor cat.

            That’s why shooting feral cat colonies is humane.

            That’s why releasing feral and outdoor cats should get an automatic animal neglect felony.

          • jllutseck

            Why are you attempting to defend her?

          • Sally Waters

            On the contrary, if you bothered to read my other posts I am not defending her her. I think what she did is despicable regardless of whether it was a feral cat or a pet. I just think that sensationalism detracts from our legitimate outrage.

          • Sally Waters

            Do you want to be like those fools in Ferguson that burned down their neighborhood while shouting “hands up, don’t shoot”?

          • Sally Waters

            I just think it is important to get the facts straight before running off on a tangent.

          • Buford

            Interesting… so here you recommend that folks gather all the facts before engaging in knee-jerk reactions, but earlier you plainly stated that you would violently assault anyone who did that to your cat… presumably before you bothered to gather the facts to understand the situation.

          • Sally Waters

            If someone did that to my cat I would already know the facts. I would be able to identify my own cat without any doubt or corroboration necessary.

          • GeorgeReston

            Don’t you have a class to teach?

          • Sally Waters

            Nope…done for the day. Headed to the courthouse to have lunch with my husband.

          • Buford

            … but you wouldn’t know the circumstances behind the act (in this hypothetical). Did your cat attack the killer’s pet bird or hamster, or did it bite their child? Was your cat injured and the killer actually put it out of its misery? Wouldn’t you want to know all the facts that would come from a thorough investigation by some neutral party?

            Apparently not… you’d just resort to violent assault based upon what your presumed to be obvious.

          • FeelALot

            Seriously??!! Put a cat “out of” his/her “misery” by shooting him/her, face-first, at close range, with a bow and arrow? Then holding the cat up, skewered, to gloat, before s/he was even dead?!! Get a grip, man! Those aren’t the kinds of facts that could possibly be construed as some kind of ‘mercy’ killing!

          • Sparky

            Compared to being skinned alive with fur turned inside out like a sock the way raccoons do, the arrow in the brain pan was much less painful.

          • Kat

            What about boasting online about it?

          • Buford

            You’re off-topic… we’re discussing a hypothetical above, not the specific case of this crazy bitch bow hunting her neighbor’s cat.

          • Sparky

            It’s not much consolation but that is the way of internet pathology. Most of them are misfit freaks even aside from the “cat lady” syndrome. They’re regular keyboard commandos posting violent ideation and threats, but in the real world many of them
            have Aspergers and in the real world everybody around them knows better than to pay any attention to their flapping gums.

            They are impotent idiot/savants hoping some fool will listen to their brain rot.

          • Sparky

            So the person citing knee jerk did it themself!
            LOL

          • Pebbles_1969

            Fact is that Kristen Lindsey freely admitted that she killed the cat!
            Fact is that Kristen Lindsey shot an arrow through the little head of the cat from front to back!
            Fact is Kristen Lindsey dangled the cat with the arrow through his head and posed for a photo!
            Fact is that the cat was alive while Kristen Lindsey dangled it from the arrow through its little head!
            Fact is this cat suffered tremendous pain for an unknown length of time!
            Fact is that a smiling Kristen Lindsey posted a photo with of an orange tabby cat with an arrow through its head from front to back dangling from the arrow with a bloody right hind leg and evidence that the cat was still alive!!!!
            These are the facts! It doesn’t matter who the owner is. What matters are the facts!

          • Kat

            There is a clear as day photo with comments backing it up, the place where she worked fired her over this and made a public statement. I have enough to support my outrage

          • Sparky

            Vets clinics and vet associations have
            PUBLIC RELATIONS to maintain for
            business reasons. Her real crime was PR disaster.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            She can’t seem to decide whether to defend her or kill her.

          • Sally Waters

            What is your source on the information stating the owners were filing charges? Was it someone other than the pet sitter? Like the sheriff or the actual owners?

          • Sally Waters

            Still waiting on that source you claim to have…

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            It’s all over the “Justice for Tiger” facebook pages. The owners are speaking through a spokesperson,the pet sitter,Amy. They also have a remembrance page set up for their cat Tiger, but are still choosing to remain anonymous. It was determined from day one through several independent news sources that the cat Tiger belonged to the elderly couple that lived across the street. That might not be good enough evidence for such an esteemed lawyer as yourself, but it is for me at this time.

          • Sally Waters

            So your source is the pet sitter. That’s what I thought. That seems to be the only person that has spoken to the owners. Even the police haven’t interviewed them yet. Odd…don’t you think?

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            How would you know if the police have spoken with the owners? Some lawyer you are. ETA: Just because the police didn’t release that information to the public doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.

          • Sally Waters

            Can you find a statement indicating the police have interviewed the owners anywhere? None of the police statements have indicated they have.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Do I really need to repeat this to you? Just because the police are not releasing that information to the public does not mean they haven’t taken statements or spoken with Tiger’s owners.

          • Angela Smith

            Did you mean Counselor?

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Two different words with two different meanings.

          • Angela Smith

            Yep and clearly don’t understand those definitions,

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Yes, I used the wrong word, I will correct it. Thanks dear!

          • Angela Smith

            Just didn’t want you to make a fool of yourself again. Your welcome.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Yah, sure thing Sally. Glad you went and changed your account.

          • Angela Smith

            Wrong person lady, That must be someone else you are in a battle of nitwits with.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Don’t you mean, “you’re welcome”?

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Speaking of making a fool of oneself and using the wrong word and stuff…..You know?

          • Angela Smith

            Councilor – noun
            1.
            a member of a council.

            Counselor – noun
            a lawyer, especially a trial lawyer; counselor-at-law.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Good thing you are here to school me. I’m so ashamed. I had this one wrong. Flog me…..Grow up Angela.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            But technically, either word still worked in the sentence.

          • Angela Smith

            Nah. It was the wrong word.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            No technically it did. It also works without using either word. Which is how I edited it.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Pop Quiz. Who posted this: “It’s almost as lame as critiquing other people’s grammar in an effort to appear intelligent.”

            Three guesses.

            But seriously, leave me alone unless you have something to add to the discussion regarding the murderous veterinarian.

          • Angela Smith

            Sounds like something you would say.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Might want to check your own comment history. I hear you find yourself highly attractive as well. I’m glad someone does.

          • Angela Smith

            Damn lady…are you some kind of stalker? Crazy cat lady perhaps?

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Pot, meet kettle. Go away Sally. How sad.

          • Angela Smith

            You are a typical bully. You can dish it out but you can’t take it. You are ridiculous.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Try me.

          • Angela Smith

            What you gonna call my boss too and try to get me fired? Good luck with that.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            If you commit a felony crime and are a public servant I might. Otherwise, why should I give a crap about you? You think far too highly of yourself there, big baddie.

            Can someone tell me if you are able to block or ignore a user on Disqus?

          • Kat

            She’s the bully? She has clearly stated her reason for coming here, all I’ve seen you do is argue about how people are arguing while adding nothing to the topic at hand at all.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Don’t you mean, “your ridiculous”? lol Give it up. Big baddie coming to defend the cat killer and Sally. BTW, you are not better looking than me…..

          • Angela Smith

            At least I’m not ashamed to put my pic on here.

          • Kat

            What a substantial being you must be.

          • Sparky

            Internet Aspies commonly get very angry about spelling and word choices.

          • Kat

            Way to get hung up on technicalities there Angela.

          • Sparky

            Aspergers on the internet?

          • Sparky

            Wrong word! That’s a CRIME almost as bad as spelling errors according to internet Aspies!

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Might want to look it up before you make a fool of yourself again.

          • GeorgeReston

            Oh give me a break! The witches who were persecuted at Salem didn’t torture animals and boast about their evil deeds on FB. Kristen isn’t the victim here.

          • Sally Waters

            Seriously…that’s your retort?

          • GeorgeReston

            Troll.

          • Sally Waters

            You’re right…no one from the Salem witch trial era was posting anything on FB….hahahahaaaaa

          • GeorgeReston

            You’re losin’ it there, Sally. Go ahead and focus on the FB tidbit rather than the crux of the argument if it makes you feel better. This case has nothing in common with the Salem witch trials. The individuals persecuted at Salem were falsely accused. They were innocent. Kristen killed an animal in an inhumane way and provided proof of that fact. So, unless you can provide proof that the picture Ms. Lindsey posted was fabricated and her mother’s testimony as to the picture’s authenticity was also fabricated and the Sheriff’s forwarding of the case to the DA was done cavalierly, then you don’t have a leg to stand on.

          • Sally Waters

            Honestly….the ridiculous responses on this comment thread are undeniable evidence of the “dumbing down” of America. I’m going to bed.

          • GeorgeReston

            Goodnight Sally.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Yes, you have done a great deal to cement that evidence. Learn to copy and paste, and start doing your own research….there have been dozens of videos, interviews and articles over the past week. Even a half wit knows how to copy and paste – but you couldn’t figure it out. No wonder you’re teaching and not doing. And try to be a little more progressive towards women…using offensive derogatory language objectifies women…if you don’t have any respect for yourself, fine, but try and think of the other women you’re offending. Little common courtesy lesson that should be common sense for someone who says they’re as smart as you say you are! LOL!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            I think Sally is a very poor example for future attorneys. She’s used foul language, name called, belittled anyone who disagrees with her. I am going to contact her boss at her college and email him a link to Sally’s comments. If I was the head of a law school, and I had a teacher like Sally, I’d want to know how she interacted with the public. I’ll share it here when I find it.

          • GeorgeReston

            Do you really think Sally is a law student? She (or he) folded like a cheap suit in response to PhattElvis. I’m guessing adolescent male troll.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Law Professor…

          • GeorgeReston

            Hard to believe. Which school?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            No kidding, right? She was calling people dumbass last night, and shouting about being a professor at a school in North Carolina….I refuse to believe any educator would be dumb enough to post in a public forum…her behavior reflects on the school, and reflects poorly.

            Worth noting, she attempted to delete the dumbass post, but it wouldn’t go away. I sent her comments to her dean of school, because I’m concerned this person isn’t really Sally Waters, they are just using her ID. The “real” Sally Waters appears to be a fairly accomplished woman – can’t imagine any professor trolling internet chat rooms, shouting vulgarities and belittling people….just not smart in a public forum like this…seemed like it would be common sense.

          • GeorgeReston

            Pseudonym …Has to be.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Just such a loser. Never say hateful vulgarities in a public forum you have to delete later….not a smart person, not smart at all.

          • DS
          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            if you type the address in, the aerial view on zillow makes it look like her house is directly next to a trailer park – maybe an old address?. I’m starting to get a feeling we’re dealing with someone who might need some help. I almost wish she’d create an alias, we live in an angry, hate filled world (as exampled by Kristen Lindsey)…Sally is going to throw an insult out at someone as unstable as she is, and she’s made herself very easy to find. I don’t like her, but I certainly wouldn’t wish any ill will upon her.

          • DS

            Sad… the trailer park is very telling on her mentality. Attorney or no attorney you cannot take the trailer park out of some people. If she is an attorney that is very scary, if she is teaching that is even worse!!!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Agree. For a brief while in the Navy, I had to live close to a trailer park until on-base housing was available…abuse, neglect, extreme poverty. You don’t find alotta folks living in trailer parks who don’t have one or several mental handicaps or drug addiction.

          • Sally Waters

            Insulting poor people Jeff? That’s not very progressive of you.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Sally, go with God. Move along. I’d never insult anyone based on income. When I lived next to the trailer park, I observed a lot of human suffering, a lot of mental illness. There is no shame in you living next to a trailer park…I’m not judging you, or anyone else in your circumstance. Go with God, go spend some more time with those that love you, and can care for you PLEASE.

          • Sally Waters

            Insulting poor people Debbie? You must be quite the snob. My tenants are mostly college students and very decent people.

          • Sally Waters

            Have you ever been charged with stalking? It is quite disturbing that you are tracking down my address. That address you appear to have found is investment property I own. I don’t recommend harassing my tenants. Many of them have firearms.

          • GeorgeReston

            Lunch plans with hubby fall through?

          • Sally Waters

            He is still on the bench.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            I didn’t track down your address. You’ve thrown out your license number, your vocation, the school you teach at. Sally, you’ve attempted to follow me (which I blocked) and refuse to go away. There is no shame in living in a trailer park. No one is going to harass you at your home…I understand there’s more going on with you, and no one here wishes you ill will. The opposite (at least from me). I truly wish you the very best, and hoped you’d be able to spend more time with your husband today.

          • Sally Waters

            Did your PM tell you all about my husband? If so, I am sure that really got under your skin.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            No one cares, Sally….move along. I’m wishing you the very best…and hope instead of wasting time on the chat board tonight, you’ll spend some quality time with your husband. I hope your husband is a gazillionaire, and I hope he takes excellent care of you.

          • Carol Christoforatos

            Sally, if these people are finding your investment properties so can your tenants and other scumbags that would like to frivolously sue you because they think you have a lot of money. What is an attorney doing letting her junk hang out for all the world to see? You of all people should know how to hide your properties. These are rank beginner mistakes. This really is asset protection 101 my friend. The first rule of real estate investing is to control everything and own nothing. Fix it.

          • LFW

            You are looking at the aerial view of her house on zillow? That is just creepy.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Wow, you’re 1st day on Disqus, and you managed to sift threw 500 comments? Very, very interesting.

            Someone else poster her address…All I did was look it up…this was after she started following me….Now THAT is creepy, huh?

          • GeorgeReston

            Not willing to do anything that might harm the real Sally Waters given what I’ve seen here from the person claiming to be Sally Waters. The person claiming to be Sally Waters couldn’t have passed a bar exam. “Hahahahahahaha” isn’t what you’d expect from a professional or a faculty member. The person claiming to be Sally Waters is a troll.

          • DS

            I totally agree, I would never advocate for hurting anyone. The only reason I wanted to obtain the information is because she gave everyone her state bar number. I wanted to confirm there is an attorney by that name. I like to know who I am dealing with or in this case, if I am dealing with the person they claim to be. I often wonder how some people obtained their law license. I am a paralegal so I have known plenty who, like this person, could not act less like an attorney if they tried. She is attacking everyone while claiming “poor me” because they don’t believe she is an attorney or professor. She has some very serious issues that a therapist should address or she is working for the Vets defense team in some way and posing as someone from out of state.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Ironically, it reminds me a little of Kristen Lindsey…she posted her picture on THE WORLD WIDE WEB. I think Sally really wanted us to know who she was because (for her) being an attorney means she’s smarter than everyone else…Sally, some honest, friendly advice. The world is full of sickos, some who harm people for fun. I hope you will delete your id, and create an alias. You are going to call someone a vulgar name, and that someone could be upset enough to want to meet you.

            I, (and I’m pretty sure everyone here) wishes you NO ill will. I disagree with your approach, I disagree with the way you handle people, and I understand some things might be going on in your life that you could use a little extra help with. We’ve all been there, nothing wrong with it. Go with God, Sally.

          • GeorgeReston

            Has anyone taken screen shots of this person’s comments and claim to be Sally Waters and faxed them to the real Sally Waters? I’d hate someone like this poser pretending to be me. I can’t believe that a faculty member has time to waste on-line. Their continued employment requires publishing and other scholarly activities and doing this ain’t gonna get ya tenure. And how can someone whose billing rate is probably $200+ per hour justify wasting so much time posting “hahahahaha” on-line. Nope… The “Sally Waters” who has been posting here can’t be for real.

          • DS

            Someone did post that they made screen shots and sent to the University so we will see. If this is the really Sally Waters then all I can say is wow… so unprofessional and un-attorney/un-professor-like. She responded to a couple of things that I wrote, but I did not respond. I think she is too scary.

          • Angela Smith

            Why stop there? Call the state bar and get her law license revoked. Maybe you can even get her prosecuted for all the threats she posted.

          • DS

            The person she made threats to would have to file a grievance with the No. Carolina State Bar Association so tell them to make a print screen of the threat/s and use the bar number she freely posted and file a complaint against her. I posted her full State Bar information from the website. The link to file a grievance against her is: http://www.ncbar.com/PDFs/22.pdf

          • Angela Smith

            Yes because those threats were awful Did you read them?

          • DS

            No, I missed them, I will have to go back and read to find them. Someone needs to make screen shots before they are removed.

          • Angela Smith

            Are her posts still up?

          • Angela Smith

            I can;t find the threatening posts. Do you know who it was she threatened?

          • DS

            No, remember, I never saw the threatening posts. I think she has seen what we have been saying and she changed her name to guest and removed her posts. I know she removed the comments she made to me, wherein she admitted she was Sally. Damage control because someone sent her posts to her work too.

          • Angela Smith

            Do you think we can really get her law license revoked? That would be justice.

          • DS

            I have been a part of a disciplinary committee action before in Texas and it is very hard to have a license revoked. That being said, if she made threats, that is assault and is a crime. Whoever she made threats to should file criminal charges against her and file the grievance. If she is convicted then her license would be revoked, but remember this may not be the person she claims to be. It could be someone using her name and her bar number which is easy to gain access to. That does not mean the charges should not be filed because whoever it is making these threats should be punished.

          • Angela Smith

            Are you an attorney too? If so, can’t you find out about her?

          • DS

            I am not an attorney, I am a paralegal. What information are you wanting about her?

          • Angela Smith

            I guess just something to indicate if she was impersonating that lawyer which is what I suspect too.

          • DS

            I don’t have any resources to determine if she is impersonating this woman or if she is the real person. The best thing to do is for the person she made the threats against to file criminal charges and a grievance. The police and their resources can make that determination.

          • Angela Smith

            Well I hope they do. She deserves to have her life ruined just like that vet.

          • DS

            She has changed her account from her name and picture to “guest.” But that is too late because someone already screen captured her comments and sent to the school. I hope they at least will do something.

          • Angela Smith

            I doubt they will be able to figure out who is impersonating her but at least they will be aware of what is happening.

          • DS

            Oh no, they can trace cyber posts now. There are cyber crimes units now. They have all sorts of resources available to trace people.

          • Angela Smith

            I hope you’re right. Especially since she was committing a crime by threatening people on here.

          • DS

            They can still find out who she is so if they file charges against her they can get her info. Besides she gave me her bar # which proves who she is and I posted her contact information from the State Bar Association of NC.

          • GeorgeReston

            Anyone notice that all of Sally Waters’s posts have been taken down? Oh wait… They just stripped the name “Sally Waters” and now list the poster as Guest.

          • Sally Waters

            Yep that’s me. Good job.

          • Sally Waters

            My god…you are still on here? Wow…

          • GeorgeReston

            Irony alert!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Right back at you! You keep telling me I have no life, but you’ve posted more to me than I to you. You sound very, very lonely.

          • DS

            She is probably a troll and if she is I am guessing the school will be very interested in the information. Thank you for passing it along to them. What school is it? You can look up the staff to see if her name is listed as what she says she is. Then if her name is there you have to wonder if it was really her or some poser.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            She said it was North Carolina last night. WCU does show a Sally Waters as an associate professor. I got a PM from someone who claims to know her, and I think there might be some underlying issues going on. I have no ill will against her…she is lonely, and writes like she has some anger issues. This is a way of her getting attention, and it might be time to ignore her.

          • DS

            She clearly has some issues.

          • DS

            There is plenty of evidence in the fact that that Vet admitted on her Facebook page to killing the cat and bragging about it. I don’t think it is a far stretch for us to be able to make an informed opinion about her guilt when she so willingly confessed.

          • Jill

            I’m confused, one minute you say it doesn’t matter if it’s feral or not it’s wrong, then you start defending her. The only facts we have are the words out of her own post and her own pic. That along with her Mom’s post bragging that she took the pic and saw the whole thing. What more do you need? A neighbor has an orange cat that is now missing. I doubt from the pic that this is a fake cat… She should be charged with animal cruelty. She didn’t shoot that arrow from far away through it’s skull on her first try. She had to have done that at close range as it’s very difficult to shoot an arrow through the skull. This woman should lose her vet license….as she enjoys causing animals pain. It goes against what a vet is suppose to be.

          • Sue Lawson

            She did post a picture of a dead cat shot through the face. She did brag and laugh about the picture. She did say she’d gladly accept vet of the year. It is not society that is doing this, it was her fault. This will follow her forever.

          • Sparky

            Oh the usual internet pathologies combined with “cat lady” syndrome have made it almost as bad as the witch hunts. The Mother and Father had to move out of state due to death threats from animal rights terrorists and internet freaks.

            Much worse than “court of public opinion”.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            But it’s still NOT okay – that witch better be indicted on felony animal cruelty charges as she violated at least 3 of them according to Texas penal code Sec 42.092.

            I know you are on the same side as I am, but I will never trust our legal system again if this bitch walks without at least a felony conviction on her permanent record. The laws are already on the books and I’m sick and tired of them being ignored by law enforcement and the Court.

          • Feli

            Fact of the matter is even if the actual owners are talking and just staying behind the curtain due to age/whatever, so far no one has even said they have seen a body and I doubt they ever will so either public opinion will HAVE to do or they will rule from go no body no proof, and I’m sure they have long gotten rid of that.

          • GeorgeReston

            I don’t believe “no body, no proof” is enough to get someone off. That would make it too easy for people to kill, dispose of the body, and get off. Besides, Kristen left ample proof — She committed the act in front of multiple eyewitnesses, one of the eyewitnesses took a picture, she posted an admission on FB to which actual people responded. I can’t imagine how she could have made this any easier for the DA short of inviting him to the event. She’s going to be charged with something, the question is what (felony or misdemeanor). If I were in her shoes, I’d be trying to figure out what I was going to be doing with the rest of my life since veterinary medicine didn’t work out.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Of course that isn’t enough to get a person off. Lack of a body doesn’t mean there was no crime committed. And there is damning evidence of said crime. Please people. Sally is the worst Lawyer EVER. Don’t even give her legal opinion a second thought.

          • Sally Waters

            Right Lucy…I am sure your legal skills and education are far better than mine. Where did you say you went to law school again?

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            I didn’t say that I was a lawyer or went to law school. You surely are a master of deductive reasoning aren’t you?

          • Feli

            Yup and that was pretty much what I was getting at with this “lawyer” who keeps asking for the owners and a body. Worst part is now it looks like she may have even fled the state now since she was not considered a flight risk for some reason. I really hope they nail this psycho down soon.

          • Jin Bean

            Sally it has to be. Even the law accepts statistical improbabilities as evidence. Witness the many paternity suits that only had a 96 or 97% probability of parentage result in rulings by judges that they have to pay child support. Some of those people might very well have been in that 3rd or 4th percentile, yet they are still paying child support, aren’t they? It wasn’t proven 100%, just proven MOSTLY.

            I have had cats for 33 years, rescued cats, fostered cats, interacted with many others who had cats, seen thousands of pictures and videos of cats, and have NEVER, once, in all that time, seen such an unusual banding of white like this. The likelihood that two different cats would be the exact same size, the exact same striped orange color, and have the exact same incredibly unusual marking in the exact same place is so infinitesimally small as to be practically impossible, and for it to happen in a generally confined area located on the same road is just completely impossible. Additionally, for Tiger to have disappeared within a few hours before this picture that was taken by someone who lives near where he was when he went missing is posted with a cat that was NOT Tiger, and Tiger having not shown back up, is also astronomically unlikely. Someone can yell Photoshop all they want, but if you can come up with some fancy lawyer-y explanation as to why someone would deliberately kill a cat that was a stray, then take a picture of themselves with it, then digitally alter it so that it DID look like a neighborhood pet instead of a stray, and then post it on the internet, complete with boasting, in order to deliberately make themselves look like they killed a neighborhood pet instead of a stray, I’ll eat my computer mouse. Her own mother took this pic and she posted it herself with the bragging–apparently thinking she’d done something great. Why would she have thought to or needed to Photoshop it so the stray looked different than it actually was? No, no, and no. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. If Tiger disappeared and a girl that lives nearby posts a picture of herself with a dead cat that she deliberately killed, and it looks like and has exactly the same unusual characteristic markings as TIger, who’s still missing, then it’s Tiger. That’s all there is to it.

          • Jin Bean

            Also, a video was posted by Tiger’s owner of him actually riding on the front of his tractor while he shot the video. It is him showing how funny Tiger was and you can hear the man’s voice talking about the cat and to the cat, referring to him as his cat, and see his hand driving the tractor and at one point petting Tiger, and it is not a young man’s hand or voice. He was owned by an older gentleman.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Really? And the fact that the cat lived across the street from her wont count either I suppose? And you say you are an attorney? What are you Ms. Lindsey’s attorney? Because that’s some serious BS you are sellin’ if you think that photographs comparing the markings of the MISSING CAT WHO LIVED ACROSS THE STREET with the cat viciously executed by the murderous veterinarian “won’t cut it in court”. SMH

          • ConstantReader

            It would cut it in court. It’s a highly unusual marking. We can also see the markings of the face and throat, which make an ID even more certain.

          • FeelALot

            Then the courts are stupid and not educated about cats, since the vast majority of cats with fur patterns and markings have distinct and unique ones, and it would be reasonable to extrapolate that a cat who had lived right next door, went missing the same day, and who had markings that were THIS similar, was most likely the same cat who was murdered.

          • Sparky

            “Then the courts are stupid and not educated about cats…”
            ROFL – “cat lady syndrome”

          • Sue Lawson

            Does it look like the right leg is missing? Or maybe just covered by bushes? Does look like blood on the leg.

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            The right leg is not missing, but bloody and you cannot see the foot.

          • Carol Christoforatos

            I think part of the leg is covered by bushes, but that’s definitely blood.

          • Pebbles_1969

            Why did you remove your profile picture and change your name to Guest?

          • Angela Smith

            Clearly she was impersonating the person and didn’t want to get in trouble.

          • Pebbles_1969

            After reading through the majority of comments, I found that someone had reported some of her comments to the school where she works. Now it makes sense…..trying to cover her tracks by changing her ‘identity’.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            I sent an email to the law school Sally claimed to work for. Basically, I was concerned this person was not the real Sally Waters, and was using her ID. My second concern, if this WAS the real Sally Waters she was reflecting very poorly on WCU – It’s a public university, and a professor shouting insults and calling people “dumbass” on a public forum is something the school should be made aware of.

            When I told Sally I was forwarding her vulgarity to her school, she
            immediately attempted to have it taken down…but she could not.

            I got a message yesterday that basically said there were some “other” issues…clearly, reading the posts, something was very wrong with this person. I started to feel sorry for her.

            Whoever this person was, she refused to accept the idea that the owners of TIger had come forward. I forwarded her a statement the owners issued, and she refused to believe it was real. Amy Hensell (last week) was interviewed, and clearly stated the owners of Tiger would like to press charges. She refused to believe Amy Hensell was acting in good faith. Amy’s character, by every accounting, is above reproach. A memorial fund was set up for Tiger, and Sally believed it was some way for Amy to scam money…the memorial fund that was set up donates the money directly to a local organization that catches, spays, and releases feral cats.

            Sally demanded I provide her the link that showed the police had contacted the owners. And when I did, she said she could not open the link. There is a 15minute raw interview footage link with the Austin sheriffs department that was created a week ago…they clearly stated they spoke to all parties involved. This person was 100% unwilling to accept or view anything that showed the police had spoke to the owners. So odd.

            I’m a little on the fence as to whether this person was the real Sally Waters. Law School Professors don’t have the time to post on the internet til 1am and start posting again the next day at 6am. She also posted all day yesterday – a school day. The real Sally Waters would not have had time to do that.

            Regardless of who it was, they had some issues…shouting insults at people on a public forum, in this day and age, isn’t smart.

          • LFW

            Dude you seem a little obsessed with this person. Who tries to get someone fired over a chatroom argument???

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Huh? Trying to get her fired? Not at all. She was thrilled at the idea of me contacting her boss. Said she’d have a good laugh with her over it.

            She worked at a public university, her actions are a direct reflection of the school – any good employer wants to know when there employees are shouting vulgarities and insults in a public forum. Common sense, isn’t it?

          • LFW

            How do you shout in a chatroom?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Type in all caps….you didn’t know that?

          • LFW

            So she said DUMBASS rather than dumbass. Sure that is totally different.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Where did I say she said dumbass in all caps? Show me. hmmmmmmm, very, very interesting.

          • LFW

            You said she was shouting vulgarities.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Hmmm, very interesting. Someone mentioned she’d likely come back with another ID and try to start trouble again…not something a Professor would do, don’t you think, LFW?

            Hmmmmmmmmmmm…how odd.

          • LFW

            Was there some other vulgarities in all caps? Which ones? I want to check them out.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Go right ahead, Sally!

          • LFW

            Uh oh…looks like you were lying. You lied to her place employment. Can’t she sue you for that?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            huuuhh? Sue me for what? What was I lying about?

          • LFW

            Pretty foolish to contact someone’s employer and lie about them in an effort to get them fired. Hope you can afford an attorney.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            If you want to sue, Sally, go right ahead. I told no lies…and I wasn’t trying to get you fired. You do know that misrepresenting my intentions is libel, right? Sally, this isn’t healthy for you.

          • LFW

            Your intentions were clear and malicious. You lied even though you won’t admit it now. I hope she does decide to sue you. I’m not an attorney but I know what defamation is.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            You know my intentions? Before you get sued for libel, show me where I said I wanted to get you to get fired? ..nothing I wrote was untrue, and all day yesterday I encouraged you to get help..all day.

          • LFW

            Well give an example of a vulgarity she shouted? You can’t because you lied about that. Right?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Sally, why are you doing this again? I begged you to spend time away from the board yesterday…I pleaded with you spend more time with your family. This isn’t healthy for you, Sally, not one bit.

          • LFW

            Still no example? Lies Lies Lies

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            I will, as soon as you show me where I said I wanted you fired from your job…that’s a very fair deal, isn’t it, Sally?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            We have a deal, Sally – don’t back out, okay? Show me where I said I wanted you fired.

          • LFW

            Was there some other vulgarities she shouted then?

          • Jewel Markess

            You can make a reliable id if the markings are uncommon. You can recognize humans by faces, and pictures in a line up do hold up in court as well as witnesses who say this is the person I saw. In this case the white patch on the paw is not common. There are very unlikely to be two cats with these markings. So I don’t see how the recognition is an issue. Then there is a coincidence, a cat goes missing, and the same day a picture of a killed cat (the same day) that looks exactly the same appears. Please explain, how this wouldn’t convince any jury.

          • LFW

            Well, well, well…it looks like it was not Tiger after all.

          • Sparky

            Pet sitter? For an abandoned intact male farm cat?
            Tiger’s owners abandoned him 3 years ago.

            Where did the older video go with the two senior
            owners and the garden tractor mower?

            I wonder why it was replaced with the Gator video?

            In the end it open season on loose cats when rabies
            breaks out and somebody got hospitalized.

    • GeorgeReston

      Do they teach spelling in law school, Sally?

  • Blake Mitchell

    If there was a photo of Dr. Lou Tierce torturing an animal, his case would have been as big as this.

    • acninee

      I certainly heard of Tierce and signed petitions. I think there is a point where you’ve signed all the petitions you can, and until there is movement on the case.. say a hearing.. there’s not much else to do. But.. that doesn’t mean the issue is forgotten.

  • DS

    I do not believe we react more strongly over a woman doing this than a man. I do the same thing any time a picture crosses my Facebook page whether it is a male or female. I think we just expect it more from a man because men used to be brought up more than women to kill animals, but for survival, for food, not for sport! The male Vet story in Fort Worth was just as strongly shared by everyone, but the difference you see in that story vs. this story is authorities acted quickly to arrest and prosecute him. When that happens thousands do not feel the need to advocate for justice if they feel justice is already being served which is sadly NOT HAPPENING in this case. This is a felony offense whether the cat was feral or not, but certainly if this POS killed a family cat that hurts more to everyone, especially the owner whose cat was simply out doing what cats do. You have an expectation that a Vet, who swore to protect and save animals, would not kill them in a “hunting” style manner and certainly would only kill if they are sick and unable to be saved. She broke every line of the oath she took (I know because I read it) and abuse of an animal, which this clearly is, is a felony offense in all 50 states. Failure on the part of the Austin authority to prosecute her for this heinous and blatant act of animal cruelty will be unconscionable to me and show they are not interested in upholding the law. I too hope that her license will be revoked because she blatantly and with no conscience about killing that poor cat violently, broke the oath she took. I would never take my animals to such a heartless waste of human breathe. Look too at the story about Tim Conatser who murdered 2 neighbor’s dogs a couple of months ago. He was arrested and I am waiting for an update on that… thousands rallied for justice the same as this story. Where is the justice – where is upholding the laws for the voiceless? The legal system needs to protect the animals because they are just as entitled to live on this earth as we are. How arrogant for us to believe our lives are any less valuable than theirs.

  • Chef Rooster Lackey-Bollier

    She murdered a family pet, Tiger. I am happy to be a part of the 44,000 plus who find this act reprehensible. So much violence in the world and if we start turning a blind eye and start shrugging off these pics of animal cruelty, then we will start doing the same with all the other atrocities acted out against children and so on. The fact that her parents were present, and her own mother snapped the picture of poor Tiger, who was still alive, and bragged on it, makes my skin crawl. That parents would encourage this is beyond me. I raised my two to respect animals and people, and First Do No Harm.

    • Lucy Van Pelt

      There is one petition that has 90,000 signatures. There are so many going around about this little witch.

  • Pebbles_1969

    Kristen Lindsey is a monster. She shot Tiger through the front of his head, dangled him with the impeded arrow for a photo op….while Tiger was still ALIVE! Can you imagine the pain and suffering he had endured? A human being who is capable of committing this hideous inconceivable act has absolutely NO compassion whatsoever for ‘life’ and is a narcissistic sociopath!
    Now, the fact she ‘is’ licensed in Verinarian Medicine takes this murder to a whole other level. She took an oath and made a lifetime obligation to protect animals, to relieve them from suffering….to do this consciously and with dignity. INSTEAD this monster did the complete opposite! She shot Tiger for fun, caused him tremendous pain for an unknown length of time:( She betrayed Tiger, his family, her employer, the veterinary profession, the community and the public across the globe!
    Yes I am OUTRAGED! This monster does not deserve compassion, not one ounce! Her license should be revoked permanently and she should serve time in prison for the crime SHE committed!

    • Diane Bergmann

      What she said, only with more outrage.

  • reneeroseh

    Oh, shut up.

  • Vadge Sinclair

    I’ve been thinking a lot about how animals are treated in the meat industry. And to be honest they are treated worse than this tabby. I’ve been thinking a lot about how we say we love animals then we eat meat. Well not anymore. No more meat for me, and I hope others think about and follow suit.

    • Padge Vounder

      Not even if they are free range and killed instantly/painlessly?

  • Eric Matthews

    Very cogent & fair article. While it is true that we probably shouldn’t expect much justice in this case, it’s interesting to note that a) Ms. Lindsey grew up in a place that fosters this type of behavior towards cats, b) the FBI has been showing much more interest in this type of behavior due to the correlation to being a deviant killer (i.e. serial killer), and c) the possibility exists that she advised euthanasia to cat owners for animals that might not really have needed it?

  • Anne

    Good because she was supposed to protecting animals and not shooting them.

  • Elisa Black-Taylor

    I’m keeping this article I wrote up to date with petitions, media releases, Facebook pages and YouTube interviews. Check it daily for updates. http://www.examiner.com/article/news-media-releases-and-info-on-texas-vet-who-killed-cat-and-important-websites

  • justme

    Several vets have stated that the cat in the photo is not dead yet. That makes what Ms. Lindsey did even more horrible.

    • Pebbles_1969

      I agree Tiger was alive and suffering unimaginably and could not do a damn thing about it! The people in his surroundings at that time of being shot made him endure it…its reprehensible! It’s so sad and heartbreaking.
      The position of his front paws is evident. If he were deceased his paws would be limp, and they are not.
      God Bless his soul.

      • Father “Spergie” Makian

        yup. Have been in cat rescue for 30 years. Have had the sad duty of euthanizing cats. When dead, they are like rag dolls…the cat in the picture is pushing out…a final struggle to “push” away from the arrow. Tiger died slowly, and suffered a great deal. This is the height of cruelty, no animal should suffer like this, least of all a tender house cat.

        • Lucy Van Pelt

          While her mother, County Treasurer of Big Horn Wyoming happily took the picture as poor Tiger was still twitching and likely vocalizing in agony. This is why they are the two most hated woman in the world right now.

  • Sally Waters

    I would be in jail for assault if someone did that to my cat. Where are the actual owners? Why hasn’t anyone heard from them?

    • Nicole Wilson

      I believe the owner is a very elderly man who probably can’t handle the attention.

    • Father “Spergie” Makian

      People have been hearing from TIgers owners for several days. The owners put out a beautiful statement about Tiger’s death not being in vain, and that his death might serve to prevent future animal cruelty. They have put their faith in law enforcement, and wish to press charges. This picture (of Kristen with the cat) was taken the same night “Tiger” (Kristen’s next door neighbor’s cat) went missing. Tiger has not been seen or heard from since the photo.

      The owners also had a very tender video of “TIger” riding an ATV with them…looked like a gentle little one. Do a search for “Tiger Riding Gator” on youtube. So cute.

      • Sally Waters

        Please provide a link to the statement from the owners then…

        • Sally Waters

          I’ll be anxiously waiting for that link…

        • Father “Spergie” Makian

          here is the page Amy (Tiger’s owner) set up for him. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Remembering-Tiger/369833109877538

          • Sally Waters

            Sorry…but Amy is some chick that claims she was the pet sitter, not the owner.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Wow,”some chick”…forgive me, I haven’t heard a lady use that term in years…I have many family friends who find that word offensive.

          • Sally Waters

            Well they must be very fragile and delicate flowers then

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            no, just progressive women who don’t like being objectified. Amy was interviewed in the news (link provided below), Kristen lived next to Tiger’s home, and Tiger has been missing since Kristen posted the picture. 100% proof? No. Amy, in other on-camera interviews, stated that the owners wanted to press charges…(you will have to do your own homework and find that one). Would any reasonable jury would think the cat in the photo was Tiger? Yes. Could they find even a half decent forensic investigator to say the markings matched Tiger’s? Sure.

          • Sally Waters

            Any half ass defense attorney could create reasonable doubt if you can’t even produce the cat owner to testify it was their cat. Sorry but that is just reality. This isn’t tv…it’s real life, real lawyers, real rules of evidence.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Sally, a lazy forensic investigator can take a picture of someone’s glasses (at an angle) and determine the exact prescription of those glasses….that’s reality, that’s real life, that is real evidence. Our local police took a picture of a suspects tattoo that was on the inside of his bent arm (opposite his elbow), digitally manipulate the image to show what it looked like when the arm wasn’t bent, and used the image help get the bad guy. Taking a picture of Tiger and getting an expert to digitally match it to the cat in Lindsey’s photo is comically simple, and it’s hard science, backed with facts, not fiction. I’m totally shocked you don’t know this….no wonder you’re teaching and not doing.

          • Sally Waters

            You’ve been watching too much CSI…hahaha.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            ahhahahahhahah…sorry, don’t watch TV. Haven’t see one episode of CSI.

            Again, why are you afraid to share your bosses email, Sally?

          • LFW

            Golly I wonder why they could not prove to the grand jury that the cat was Tiger. You claimed it would “comically simple”. Guess you were wrong.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Wow, you are truly mentally ill. Your still licking your wounds over the verbal ass slicking I gave you over two months ago!

            If you take a second and read the article, the reason they issued a no bill was because they could not prove the internet post on Facebook was real because it was deleted. But Sally, maybe you can provide the link where it’s says they didn’t prosecute because they could not prove it was Tiger.

            What a sad life you have. Time to get over it and move along, Sally.

          • LFW

            Austin County District Attorney Travis Koehn says there was not enough evidence to prove the cat was killed in a cruel manner, where or when it was killed or even confirm the cat’s identity

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Ohhhh, Sally, Sally, Sally, Sally. Are you going to go psycho again and post to me all night and day?

            Sally, I work with the police every day, I’ve personally seen them use angled photos and match them to direct photos. It’s comically simple. Even a 1st year rookie (or 20 year attorney) know how this is done.

            Sally, you bore me…I’m tired of slapping you around, posting with you is like posting with a mental midget.

          • LFW

            Well I guess they should have hired you to prosecute the case…hahaha…I sincerely doubt the police do anything but laugh at you.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Oh, so sad. How sick for a person to get slapped around, carry it for 2 months, and come back to get slapped around some more.

            You’ve let me own you on this, and you aren’t mentally fit, Sally.

          • LFW

            Hardly…the outcome of the case clearly demonstrates that I was right and you were full of it.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            No, Sally. The outcome clearly demonstrates that the resources to prosecute a person for killing a cat aren’t worth it to them. They have people killing people crimes they need to burn resources on. As much as we agree Kristen is monster, it’s not a big case.

            And this isn’t a big deal, Sally. To carry my slapping you around for 2 months, and come back for more is sad and pathetic.

            You do understand how sad it is, right?

          • LFW

            Well the DA disagrees with you and so did the grand jury but I’m sure your delusions of grandeur interfere with your ability to understand what actually happened. But don’t worry you can still feel like a hotshot on the internet where no one can verify your credentials.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Well, Sally, I don’t feel like a hotshot, and proving to you about my creditials isn’t important or matter to me.

            I’m still in shock how much I must have hurt you. How sad you’ve let me own you like this…get some help, Sally.

          • LFW

            On the contrary I m amused. I think it’s hilarious when know-it-alls are proven wrong and then can’t bring themselves to admit it. You’re a laughing stock.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            No, Sally, a laughing stock is someone who gets a beat down, and carries it for 2 months.

            That’s you. By doing this, you’ve shown me how much I destroyed you.

          • LFW

            The only thing destroyed is all those claims you made about Tiger’s owners making public statements and science easily being able to identify Tiger from the photo. Face it. You were just plain old WRONG. It’s hilarious that you won’t admit it.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            No, Sally, not wrong at all. I gave you all the links, you weren’t smart enough to read them. I’m 100 correct about photo identification, there are dozens of programs used everyday. I never said they would prosecute her, as much as me (and the majority of people with a little compassion) wanted it.

          • LFW

            Nice try but the DA’s statement indicated they were unable to identify the cat from the photo. Perhaps they didn’t realize how “comically simple” it was.

          • LFW

            And DAs don’t send cases to the grand jury that they do not intend to prosecute.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            And I never said they didn’t.

            I get it, Sally. The slap down I gave you that cost you the ID has you angry and you’ve carried it for 2 months.

            Pretending like you are laughing, shouting in all caps, making multiple IDs….you have zero creditials, Sally, sorry.

          • LFW

            Oh no zero “creditials”? Hahahaha You can’t even spell.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Yeah, my iPad keyboard isn’t easy to type on, my hands are on the big side.

            Oh, Sally, in your previous posts you screamed about how smart you were. I know how important it is for you. Based only on the fact that you carried this for two months, and read everyone of my posts speaks volumes about how much this means for you.

            Ver, very sad.

          • LFW

            You are certainly a master of deflection. I’ll give you that.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Only to someone with limited reasoning, Sally.

          • LFW

            This has been fun but I must go now. We are at the beach for a week and I have to be up early with the kids for a day of fun in the sun.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Sure, Sally, sure.

            I’ll pray for your family. Try to let it go, the ID, the anger. I’ll pray for them.

          • LFW

            What ID do you keep referring to?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Your Sally Waters ID, Sally, the one you deleted.

          • LFW

            You are so easily misled. I know her but I am only an acquaintance…or maybe a colleague.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Oh Sally, we know it’s you. You sad you had to run along, now run along before I embarrass you again. Go spend time with you family, time with them will hopefully help with this anger you’ve carried.

          • LFW

            I can’t wait to share this conversation with my colleagues. You are hilarious, though somewhat pathetic. Thanks for the laughs. :-)

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Oh, I know you aren’t laughing, not at all. I upset you, and you carried that anger for 2 months. It’s painfully obvious.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            And whatever you do, Sally, DO NOT share this with your colleagues. This entire thread makes you look like a child. They will make fun of you, and wonder what is wrong with a person who creates multiple IDs and lets an internet poster from 2 months ago set you off into psycho stalker land.

          • LFW

            But they got such a kick out of your other paranoid histrionics. They will love this most recent nonsense from you.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            No they didn’t, Sally…you’re not telling the truth again. In fact, I got an email of such thanks from when you were posting as Sally Waters. I cost you the id, and you can’t let it go.

            You aren’t laughing, Sally, now, or from before…you were very upset 2 months ago, and now. That’s why you had the ID deleted.

          • LFW

            Sure you did. Who is “we”? Are you the leader of a cult or merely referring to your multiple personalities again?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            We talked about this two months ago. You know who emailed me. The person using the Sally ID got very lucky. Just ask Gusty.

            Hey Sally, didn’t you say at the beach today?

          • LFW

            Kids still asleep.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Sally, I hope you don’t do what you did last time, when you said you were going to park with your husband, and suddenly he got called away because someone didn’t show up for work at the restaurant.

            I got a feeling, Sally, you won’t be heading anywhere today, just like last time! LOL

          • LFW

            You lost me there. MY husband is here for a judicial conference.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            LOL! Yeah, I’m sure he is…sure he is.

          • LFW

            You must be thinking of someone else with whom you are obsessed. Well…about that prosecution??? Still waiting for an update.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Ha! You were the one who let this get under your skin for 2 months. LFW, Sally psycho stalked me the same way. Pathetic, really.

          • Sparky

            Are you getting confused Jeff?
            All of your opponents conspire against you!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Opponents? Now that is funny. This chick is a total psycho who deleted her last ID and had a meltdown. Go back and read some of her posts….dozens of people were making fun of her.

          • Sparky

            Are you talking about the law school professor who tried to tell you this case wouldn’t float?

            Did she say “I told you so!” ?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            No, she never said “I told you so”. But she did say she was living a wonderful life and posted her address to show us her house by the river. Someone looked it up on google maps and it was a house in the middle of a trailer park.

            Very sad chick.

          • Sparky

            What part of that amazes you on the internet?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Huh? What part of what amazes me? Where did I say I was amazed? It’s not amazing, it’s tragic and sad.

            Sparky, your reading comprehension skills need a lil work.

          • Sparky

            Nice try!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Huh? You sound more and more like a moron with every post! LOL!

          • Sparky

            Welcome to the internet.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Thanks, Moron!

          • Sparky

            You are welcome!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            jeez, another late night alone on the Internet, huh Sparky?

          • Sparky

            What time did you think that message you replied to was posted?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Boy, talk about being new to the internet. How long ago the message was posted is right under your nose. And every time you reply, disqus sends me an email..Sport, in the history of email, every email has had a time on it.

            Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, Sparky. Slapping you around is starting to bore me.

          • Sparky

            You expected excitement here?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            No, did I say I was expecting excitement? I come here with the expectation that mindless questions (like you wondering how the time works) are so simple, you could figure it out without asking.

            For excitement I like to post links to news items and hack the IP address that click the link. That’s fun for me.

            http://aruljohn.com/track.pl

          • Sparky

            How’s that working out for you?

          • Sparky

            Are you thinking of the law school professor who tried to tell the TNR kooks that there really wasn’t enough information to justify a prosecution?
            The one who tried to tell them that their ideas about the law were absurdly wrong?

            Because if that who you think you’re attacking now
            you should look at the DA’s press release again!

            Jeff Makian wrote:Opponents?
            Now that is funny. This chick is a total psycho who deleted her last
            ID and had a meltdown. Go back and read some of her posts….dozens of
            people were making fun of her.

            3:46 p.m., Thursday June 25

          • LFW

            Who is Gusty?

          • LFW

            Oh is this the mysterious prosecution you alluded to? The one you had inside info about? Whatever happened to that? Where those charges going to be? You must know people with lots of authority huh?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            You’d have to define “authority”…but yes. Glad your memory came back.

          • LFW

            Well do tell…did someone get prosecuted? go to jail? did the FBI become involved? maybe homeland security? Surely once they heard from someone as important as you an investigation was started.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            How can you not remember, you asked so many questions about it. No, just Sally and her boss. They weren’t sure what action to take. I can ask them what happened, since you’re so curious. But I understand why you’ve carried this for two months. The loss of the ID had a major effect on your life.

            But look, don’t forget about those kids today. As much as I like slapping you around, they need you to be parent today. Get from fresh air and try to breath deep and not think about what happened.

          • LFW

            Just as I suspected…you were all talk. You never got anyone to listen to your pathetic ramblings about a stranger allegedly being “vulgar” and “shouting” in a chat room. Get a life. I’m sure they just thought you were an odd, sad weirdo.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Ummm, okay. You can tell yourself whatever you want. Sally, I haven’t told you one lie. You want to believe it, fine. You don’t, doesn’t matter. What you think, what you say, it doesn’t matter to me, and to most people here. You feel hurt that I owned you badly on the last go around, and I understand your pain.

            In terms of getting a life, yes, please get a life. Creating a fake ID to argue and fight with me after 2 long months isn’t healthy for you.

            Now run along and get to that beach you were talking about, okay? We don’t want a repeat of last time, when you deleted your ID! LOL!!!

          • Sparky

            Did you slip into the royal “we” and then edit it out? LOL

          • LFW

            As for the owners making a public statement, that never happened. That was just a lie and cannot prove otherwise.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Sally, the loss of the ID was your own fault. Blaming me for making you look stupid just isn’t healthy. It was you fault. Time to take some accountability for your actions like an intelligent adult.

          • LFW

            Well I see you aren’t denying that lie. Good call. Once you’re caught lying it’s best to try to change the subject. You’ve got that move down. Lots of practice I imagine.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Huh? You mean the links with the owners statements about Tiger I sent to you when you posted as Sally Waters? You deleted the Sally Waters account, but I did post them to her. Go back and find them, I posted them.

          • LFW

            Oh on Sally’s comments. That was not me but I do know her and could even be a colleague.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Nice try, Sally. You created this ID the very same day you deleted the Sally ID. And you made the moronic mistake of picking up where you left off on the same day.

            Moronic

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Sally, you are typing in all caps again (remember how we agreed that was shouting). It’s regrettable this means so much to you, I understand why you are upset, you had to delete the Sally Waters ID because of me. I made you look foolish, and you only have yourself to blame. Carrying it this long is very unhealthy, Sally.

          • LFW

            Please show me where I was typing in all caps….other than abbreviating a word.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            “Just plain old WRONG”. Jeez, Sally, you just wrote that, just look above^^^.

            You wrote that, Sally…it’s full of anger. Sad.

          • LFW

            Oh…that was just for emphasis and not in anger. Perhaps you’re not sophisticated enough to understand.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            No, Sally…you are angry. This has bothered you for 2 months, and you did look silly, just as you do now.

            Very, very angry, shouting in all caps again….

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Sally, you aren’t amused at all. You are hurt, and angry. Can you show me where I was wrong, where did I say Kristen would be prosecuted. Go ahead, find the post.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Sally, a person who deletes their ID and creates a new one has no credibility, and I have nothing to prove to someone who does that, someone like you.

          • LFW

            By the way what is an “ass slicking”? It sounds perverted. Are you a pervert as well as delusional?

          • LFW
          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Sally, talk to someone, get some help, okay? I think we need to pray for you again.

          • LFW

            You and your multiple personalities?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            No, Sally, unlike you, I only use 1 I’d. I have no need to create multiple ids and personalities like you have. So sad.

          • Sparky

            You’re defeated by today’s news and so cracked
            you think a handful of your opponents are all the same person.
            We all conspire against you!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Defeated? I had no idea the news even happened! Psycho Sally was so upset, she deleted her ID, created a new one, and started posting to me out of the blue today!

            How sick and sad is that!

          • Sparky

            So Becky Robinson and the TNR kooks sent their followers
            to blog the heck out of this news story and you’re upset
            that you had a handful of opponents and one switched
            ID’s as they got banned by your group mass complaints?

            The results came in today but you want to pretend that opponents
            posted “out of the blue” today??

            So far all I see is that you are trying to ad hom the heck
            out of this, and your opponent referred to your
            spastic behavior as histrionics, which is an apt
            description of your irrational response.

            ———————————————–

            Press Release from Austin County DA’s Office
            The investigation of Kristen Lindsey for charges of Animal Cruelty was presented to the Austin County Grand Jury on June 24, 2015. The Grand Jury returned a “No Bill” in this case. A finding of “No Bill” indicates the Grand Jury examined all the evidence and determined there was insufficient proof to charge Kristen Lindsey with a crime.

            The Brenham Police Department initially referred the case to the Austin County Sheriff’s Office based upon one unsworn hearsay report that Lindsey may have acted to protect her pets from a potentially rabid stray cat in Austin County. After a thorough investigation, Sheriff’s Office investigators were unable to confirm where or when the incident took place. Without this information, officers lacked probable cause to obtain a search warrant for any Austin County properties in this matter.

            It is a defense to an Animal Cruelty charge if a person is protecting his or her own pets from an attack.

            Although evidence is insufficient that an offense occurred here, both Austin and Washington counties are suffering from an outbreak of rabies cases, and at least one local resident is currently undergoing treatment after contact with a rabid animal. Residents are encouraged to vaccinate all pets.

            Subpoenas to Facebook failed to produce useable
            evidence, as the account was deleted the same day law enforcement became aware of the matter. Without more information, the State lacks proof that this incident even occurred in the state of Texas. ln some jurisdictions of the United States, hunting stray cats is expressly permitted. In the state of Wyoming, for example, citizens are permitted to hunt stray cats all year with very little restriction. [W.S. 23-1-101(a XviiiXA); W.S. 23-3-103].
            lf the State could prove an incident did occur in Texas, Texas Penal Code 42.092 essentially requires the State to prove that either 1) a defendant killed a stray cat in a cruel manner, or 2) a defendant killed a cat without the owner’s consent.

            First, the American Veterinary Medical Association guidelines state that physical methods of killing animals such as a gunshot or bolt to the head can be humane when done correctly.
            (A.V.M.A. Guidelines for the Euthanasia of Animals, 2013 Ed., at
            11-12). When performed properly, the animal may exhibit involuntary movements but is unaware and unable to experience pain. (A.V.M.A. Guidelines for the Euthanasia of Animals, 2013 Ed., at 16). Evidence is insufficient, based on the online photograph alone, to determine whether the animal was killed in a cruel manner.

            Second, investigators were never able to positively confirm the identity of the cat seen in the social media photograph. Although one witness believes the cat to be a pet named ‘Tiger,” three different area residents had fed similar looking cats at one time or another that had no collar and had strayed. Evidence was insufficient to positively identify an owner for the cat in the online photograph.

            The Texas Board of Veterinary Medical Examiners has the sole decision-making authority as to whether Kristen Lindsey retains her veterinary license. The Austin County District Attorney is not involved in that decision.

            Animal Cruelty is a disgusting and reprehensible act that the Austin County District Attorney’s Office strongly condemns. Contrary to some reports, this office has prosecuted and convicted Animal Cruelty offenders in the past. However, the duty of this office, and the duty of the Grand Jury is to make decisions based on the law and evidence in each individual case.

            The Austin County District Attorney’s office appreciates the hard work done by the Sheriff’s Office and the diligent service of the members of the Grand Jury and their careful review of the evidence. No further criminal action will be taken in this matter.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Pretend? Go look at the LFW’s posts. Yes, out of the blue, after two months, this psycho (who deleted the id and created a new one) started posting to me today. I had no idea this news even happened. I don’t care if Kristen is sent to jail. She got far, far worse. She got what she deserved, and for the rest of her life that photo will follow her.

            That’s a win! How crazy is it for someone to carry all that anger for 2 months and just starting screaming and being upset for something as silly as a message board!

            I know you agree, that’s insanely sick.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Who is Becky Robinson? What is the TNR?

            Look, at the end of the day, Kristen is a monster, she won’t see jail, but her life is ruined. So it’s a win. 99.9% of the population agrees. That picture will follower her until the day she dies, and that is justice.

          • Sparky
          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Sparky, who cares about this nutty cat lovin shut in. Kristen Lindsey is going to pay for the rest of her life! It doesn’t matter to me that she didn’t get fined, or had formal charges pressed. I don’t blame them for not going after her. They have few resources, and this doesn’t rank high on the list of crimes.

            At the end of the day, Kristen ruined her own life, and isn’t that a wonderful win! We agree, right?

          • Sparky

            You asked. I answered. You said who cares.

            You suffered abject defeat and you’re trying to deny it.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hNIX7V21pU

            Pee Wee Herman: “I meant to do that!”

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Abject defeat? How so? I haven’t given this a seconds thought in 2 months.

          • Sparky

            Sure! I BELIEVE you Pee Wee!
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJXU7EVXs2A

          • Sparky

            Why would you think that Becky Robinson of Alley Cat Allies is a shut in?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            The pictures. Some cat people tend to love animals more than humans. And when this happens, they withdraw. Who could blame her?

          • Sparky

            You decided all of that based on her web photos?
            Are you judging harshly based on looks?
            Do you have some close inside information?
            Do you recognize your OWN sociopathy in her?
            Please explain the epistemology of this!

            Jeff Makian wrote:
            The pictures. Some cat people tend to love animals more than humans. And when this happens, they withdraw. Who could blame her? 3:21 p.m., Thursday June 25

            Sparky wrote:
            Why would you think that Becky Robinson of Alley Cat Allies is a shut in?

          • Sparky

            Jeff Makian: So you’re trying to put a happy face on your abject failure. I get it. Your ‘out of the blue” scat talk is absurd considering the Grand Jury “no bill” result in today.

            It’s like the guy who messes up and then tries to save face
            by saying “I meant to do that!”.

            Please state some more about the lifelong damages from this case for Kristen Lindsey.

            Stroke your ego with those claims!

          • LFW

            What is an “ass slicking” anyway? Sounds perverted. Are you a pervert?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Oh Sally, how sick you must be to carry this for 2 months. How I truly must have hurt you for you to come here now.

            You are a sad person, sad and pathetic.

          • LFW

            Although one witness believes the cat to be a pet named
            ‘Tiger,” three different area residents had fed similar looking cats at
            one time or another that had no collar and had strayed. Evidence was
            insufficient to positively identify an owner for the cat in the online
            photograph.

          • Sparky

            I bet he is positively mortified by your nasty comments.

            Press Release from Austin County DA’s Office
            The investigation of Kristen Lindsey for charges of Animal Cruelty was presented to the Austin County Grand Jury on June 24, 2015. The Grand Jury returned a “No Bill” in this case. A finding of “No Bill” indicates the Grand Jury examined all the evidence and determined there was insufficient proof to charge Kristen Lindsey with a crime.

            The Brenham Police Department initially referred the case to the Austin County Sheriff’s Office based upon one unsworn hearsay report that Lindsey may have acted to protect her pets from a potentially rabid stray cat in Austin County. After a thorough investigation, Sheriff’s Office investigators were unable to confirm where or when the incident took place. Without this information, officers lacked probable cause to obtain a search warrant for any Austin County properties in this matter.

            It is a defense to an Animal Cruelty charge if a person is protecting his or her own pets from an attack.

            Although evidence is insufficient that an offense occurred here, both Austin and Washington counties are suffering from an outbreak of rabies cases, and at least one local resident is currently undergoing treatment after contact with a rabid animal. Residents are encouraged to vaccinate all pets.

            Subpoenas to Facebook failed to produce useable
            evidence, as the account was deleted the same day law enforcement became aware of the matter. Without more information, the State lacks proof that this incident even occurred in the state of Texas. ln some jurisdictions of the United States, hunting stray cats is expressly permitted. In the state of Wyoming, for example, citizens are permitted to hunt stray cats all year with very little restriction. [W.S. 23-1-101(a XviiiXA); W.S. 23-3-103].
            lf the State could prove an incident did occur in Texas, Texas Penal Code 42.092 essentially requires the State to prove that either 1) a defendant killed a stray cat in a cruel manner, or 2) a defendant killed a cat without the owner’s consent.

            First, the American Veterinary Medical Association guidelines state that physical methods of killing animals such as a gunshot or bolt to the head can be humane when done correctly.
            (A.V.M.A. Guidelines for the Euthanasia of Animals, 2013 Ed., at
            11-12). When performed properly, the animal may exhibit involuntary movements but is unaware and unable to experience pain. (A.V.M.A. Guidelines for the Euthanasia of Animals, 2013 Ed., at 16). Evidence is insufficient, based on the online photograph alone, to determine whether the animal was killed in a cruel manner.

            Second, investigators were never able to positively confirm the identity of the cat seen in the social media photograph. Although one witness believes the cat to be a pet named ‘Tiger,” three different area residents had fed similar looking cats at one time or another that had no collar and had strayed. Evidence was insufficient to positively identify an owner for the cat in the online photograph.

            The Texas Board of Veterinary Medical Examiners has the sole decision-making authority as to whether Kristen Lindsey retains her veterinary license. The Austin County District Attorney is not involved in that decision.

            Animal Cruelty is a disgusting and reprehensible act that the Austin County District Attorney’s Office strongly condemns. Contrary to some reports, this office has prosecuted and convicted Animal Cruelty offenders in the past. However, the duty of this office, and the duty of the Grand Jury is to make decisions based on the law and evidence in each individual case.

            The Austin County District Attorney’s office appreciates the hard work done by the Sheriff’s Office and the diligent service of the members of the Grand Jury and their careful review of the evidence. No further criminal action will be taken in this matter.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            who is “he” you are talking about, Sparky?

            Again, welcome to the conversation. Amazing you found it! LOL!

          • Sparky

            TNR kooks had been exhorting over and over
            their self serving interpretation of the law, that
            the bow and arrow killing was absolutely ILLEGAL!

            I had been asking TNR kooks to post Shepardized
            caselaw and keycited caselaw to delineate
            limits and exceptions to the law.

            In the DA’s press release they explained
            a few limits and exceptions to the law.

            Isn’t that …interesting? LOL

            Why do Becky Robinson, Alley cat Allies
            and her TNR feral cat colony groupies
            behave as if they can bully their way to
            the results they seek?

            Caselaw research is about how the law
            really shakes out in the real world, not about
            interpreting the law to mean what you WANT
            it to mean.

            No WONDER you guys lose over and over!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Sally, you have a habit of randomly SCREAMING by typing in all caps. It’s a dead giveaway.

            I don’t care that Kristen isn’t going to jail. Kristen’s photo, her actions she recorded, will follow her until the day she dies. Jail would have been nice, but she got something far, far worse. The entire world, yes, the world saw her photo, and the world see’s her for the monster she is.

            She will have a hard time working as a vet ever again, her own school shamed her, and she can never hide from what she did. Isn’t that better? That is the best justice you can ask for.

            Time to let it go, Sally. This anger you have isn’t healthy…creating multiple ids to stalk someone is sad, and crying for 2 months because you got exposed as an idiot and had to delete your id is your fault. Time to get on with your sad life. God Help you!

          • Kat

            This is getting weird.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            well, she “claimed” it to the news and the police. http://abc13.com/news/sheriff-still-investigating-vet-who-posted-photo-with-dead-cat/672922/ copy and past the entire link if you can’t get it to work.

        • Father “Spergie” Makian

          Tiger’s owners have been in the news since Saturday..there are multiple videos – you just have to take a few minutes and watch them. Google is your friend.

      • Sally Waters

        Finally, someone that has heard directly from Tiger’s owners. Please tell us exactly what they said…

        • jllutseck

          From the comments you’ve made, you seem to be arguing that it’s perfectly okay to torture feral animals to death. Something is seriously “off” with you…

          • Sally Waters

            Well clearly you have not read all of my comments…way to jump to confusion.

        • Father “Spergie” Makian

          Sally, they have done several news interviews. They were interviewed by the police…you haven’t read any of this?

          • Sally Waters

            Provide a link please…

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            well, here is a link to a story where Amy holds up a picture of Tiger. Amy was watching Tiger when he disappeared. Tiger lived next door to Kristen Lindsey…The sheriff department said they interviewed the owners (again, days ago) during their investigation. I don’t understand why you haven’t read or seen any of this…there have been dozens of stories, Fox, CNN, the AP…http://abc13.com/news/sheriff-still-investigating-vet-who-posted-photo-with-dead-cat/672922/

          • Sally Waters

            Page not found….please repost that link

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            copy and paste the link…jeez, a law professor who demands other do her research for her…http://abc13.com/news/sheriff-still-investigating-vet-who-posted-photo-with-dead-cat/672922/

          • Sally Waters

            link doesn’t work buddy…sorry

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            I’ve clicked the above link 4 times, and the video pops up each time. Moron. Find it yourself, and don’t reply unless it’s with your bosses email address. They should see how one of their professors represents the school. Thanks!

          • Sally Waters

            You do realize the owners are NOT in the video that you posted the link for right? Again…it merely mentions Amy, the alleged pet sitter. Why can’t you just admit that you have not seen or read any direct quotes from the owners?

            Btw…have you been raging on here all night? That’s kinda sad.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            All night? Maybe in your timezone. Well at least FINALLY you figured out how to get the link to work. I have already provided you the direct statement from the owners, you friggin moron….

            What’s sad is a law professor who so poorly represents her profession…and school.

            What’s the email of your boss…he really needs to see the kinda a-hole he has teaching his kids.

            Thanks!

          • Sally Waters

            That is awfully sexist of you to presume that my boss is a man. What would all your progressive female friends think?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            You are correct. It was Sexist. Anytime you see a women whose risen to AJ’s level, you know she’s had to work twice as hard to get there.

          • Sally Waters

            Now that just sounds a little patronizing.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            well if it is, it came directly from my mom, who had to fight twice as hard to reach CFO of her company.

          • Sally Waters

            Well it is equally sad that you have been on here all day…I’m off to work now.

          • Sally Waters

            Did YOU watch the link. The owners do not appear at all…Again…it’s hearsay.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Oh my….you did read where I said Amy was in the clip, right? Amy is in this new piece, right? No, it’s not hearsay…it’s fact. Amy Hensell IS in the link I said she was in above, that i provided for you.

          • Sally Waters

            There is nothing in the news stating the police have spoken to the pet owners…just this Amy chick…

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            You friggin dolt. The did an interview with the news, and someone posted the entire raw footage on the web. Go find it yourself.

          • Sally Waters

            Several news interviews? Surely you can provide at least one valid link then.

          • Sally Waters

            You cannot provide one link where the alleged owners make a statement can you?

          • Padge Vounder

            you spend a lot of energy being a cunt I see

          • Sally Waters

            Classy…

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            I did provide the link. You said it wasn’t real. Pathetic. If I ran a law school and had a professor who shouted profanities at people late at night in a public forum, I’d want to know. I’m forwarding your posts to the WCU . Who heads up the law school? Provide the email. Thanks!

  • Rudi206

    I just googled this woman and I agree that she will never live this cruelty and stupidity down. Ten years from now if you google her name “Texas cat killing vet” will come up. She threw away 4 years of vet school, and all the money she paid to get through it. Even if she doesn’t loose her license, no vet practice will ever hire her – who would want this cat-hating psychopath working on their cat? So maybe in a perverse way, Tiger will get his justice after all.

    • Father “Spergie” Makian

      agree. Worse, she has had death threats from around the world. She will never walk down a street, go shopping, or go anyplace where she won’t be looking over her shoulder – not even in her own home. She posted that picture knowing people are insane for their cats, knowing she was posting it for the world to see. And now she is going to pay the consequences for the rest of her life. No pity from me, she did this to herself…and her mom helped her do it.

      • Lucy Van Pelt

        I agree with mostly everything you’ve said thus far but I don’t agree that she wont be able to walk the streets without being recognized. And she posted that picture because she thinks she is “awesome” and was saying to everyone “in your face, I am invincible”. And, she knew that cat wasn’t feral, that’s for damn sure. She only said “feral” because she thought no one would care what happens to a feral cat. She was wrong about that too.

  • http://allthatchaz.blogspot.com/ Chuck Dougherty

    I found all of the details about her actions to be abhorrent … particularly because i have two wonderful pet cats from feral stock. They were essentially feral kittens who were captured and tamed – then, neutered! It truly is bad enough that we have to euthanize so many potential pets, but to take any joy in the meaningless slaughter of an animal for the pure sport of it is reprehensible to me.

  • Leslie Boyd

    She also bragged about being to awesome to fire and said “they wont fire me, I’m to awesome”

  • Karen Watt

    Look at the cat’s leg, it is all bloody. Did she trap him first? Clearly he was shot from the front, facing her. Was he in a trap when he was shot? He doesn’t appear to even be dead in this photo. Even if he were feral, as a vet, she had access and the means to dispose of any animal in a humane way. This business of not being able to prove someone didn’t hack her account, or not being able to prove the photo was not altered is crazy. There is an electronic trail for all of that. This is no different than Michael Vick.

  • Sally Waters

    This is absolutely horrific. I cannot believe this woman has not publicly apologized yet. Maybe it is because she is potentially facing criminal charges. I just cannot fathom how some one thought it was ok to do this and ok to post it on social media. WTF???

  • MaryMatthews

    No one should allow this story to go until there is justice for Tiger!

    • Sally Waters

      The only thing that bothers me is how everyone has jumped on the assumption that it was “Tiger”. There has been no proof yet and no one has come forward to say they were the owners. This story does not need any exaggeration or sensationalizing. It is a compelling story even if it was a feral cat.

      • Father “Spergie” Makian

        ummm, Tigers owners have been forward for days. They have done several interviews, they have stated they feel it is Tiger, they have stated they would like to press charges. They live next door to Kristen Lindsey.

        • jllutseck

          Ignore this person, there is something not kosher about her. Reading through all of her comments, I get the sense that she may have been hired by Kristen Lindsey’s attorneys.

        • LFW

          I guess the grand jury did not believe Tiger’s owners when they testified it was their cat. Odd huh? Or maybe you were wrong and Tiger’s owners never publically came forward at all just like someone suggested,

        • Sparky

          What attorney representing the seniors would allow them
          to risk getting charged under the abandonment clause
          of the Texas animal cruelty statute?

          LFW wrote:
          I guess the grand jury did not believe Tiger’s owners when the testified it was their cat. Odd huh? Or maybe you were wrong and Tiger’s owners never publically came forward at all just like someone suggested, 6:16 p.m., Wednesday June 24

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            “Sparky”!!! Welcome to the conversation. It’s amazing you found this thread from two months ago.

            Hmmmmmmm

          • Sparky

            What attorney representing the seniors would allow them
            to risk getting charged under the abandonment clause
            of the Texas animal cruelty statute?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            that’s a fair question, “Sparky”. Who is the attorney representing the seniors?

          • Sparky

            You keep trying to distract from the real point which
            is just how legally stupid it would be for the seniors
            to step forward considering they abandoned the cat
            three years before.

            Amy Hemsell served as a sort of PR agent
            but claimed roles as caretaker and cat sitter.

            The OLD riding mower footage that showed the
            seniors was replaced with her more recent Gator footage.

            Becky Robinson keeps offering rewards, but this last
            one was actually targeted at Kristen Lindsey by name.

            Has Becky ever actually paid out on one of these rewards she offers?

            http://www.catchannel.com/images/articles/becky-robinson.gif

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Wow, really? Do you have a link that shows they did this? Tia

            Look, at the end of the day, stray cat, a friends cat, your own cat…whatever. We all agree, only a monster tortures an animal for fun and takes a picture of it. Worse, only a true moron brags about it on Facebook. We agree on this, right Sparky, pretty ignorant of her.

            Lucky for us, her actions cost her family thousands in legal fees, she isn’t likely going to work as a vet again, and every person she mets for the rest of her life knows the type of ignorant animal she is. We agree on this, right,Sparky?, agree that Lindsey is a vile animal, right?

          • Sparky

            Please continue to list the many ways that this incident has caused
            Kristen, her family and friends all long term economical loss.
            I’m sure she can get a good attorney to sue for her on spec.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Brilliant! Yes, she should hire an attorney to sue Facebook for letting her post a picture of the dead cat. She should sue Apple also, since the iPhone took the picture of the cat.

            You aren’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, Sparky

          • Sparky

            You were the one talking about how this would still cause her lifelong problems!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            True, yes. Actions in life have consequences. She destroyed her own life. The only thing logical for this moron to do now is sue someone else for what she did. Maybe is the suit against Facebook for letting her post her picture, or apple for creating a phone that took the pictue doesn’t work out, she can sue her mom for posting it!!

            Some mentioned she had a boyfriend who dumped her over what she did. Can you imagine dating this disgusting idiot?

          • Sparky

            Please post all about the lifelong consequences she will suffer!
            It’s very interesting how the reward offer was presented
            seeking evidence against her BY NAME prior to any conviction.

            It sure was a LOT of fuss to raise without even having
            the most basic prerequisite “subject matter jurisdiction”.

            Shepardizing caselaw (Lexis/Nexis) or keycites (Westlaw)
            would have spelled out the limits and exceptions to the law.

            MUCH smarter than simply bellowing absurd BLANKET
            statements about how it’s absolutely ILLEGAL in every
            state of the USA.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Sally, time to move along. Posting at 2am on a topic that is over 2 months old is psychotic.

            When you type in all caps, it’s a dead give away. It makes you look like an angry child, who can’t get over being disciplined.

            Time to stop the stalking and get on with your life.

          • Sparky

            It’s always 2AM somewhere! Welcome to the internet.

          • Sparky

            I love the way Becky Robinson and her Alley Cat Allies TNR feral cat colony groupies offered a reward to “get” Kristen Lindsey BY NAME.

            That’s just too funny!
            When was the last time she ever had to pay out the reward?

            She offered that same reward in the YONKERS case of the
            cat bodies hanging in a tree! When they discovered that the
            perpetrator was one of her own TNR people did she pay out a dime, either to help him or for the resolution?

            Do you know the story about Rene Carcamo of Yonkers, the pied piper of feral cats in his neighborhood? He hoarded cats inside his apartment and had several die inside his apartment and claimed two of them died from massive infestations of cat fleas.
            He claimed that he hung the dead cats in plastic bags in a tree to prevent them from being “desecrated” by wild animals.

            Becky could have paid out reward or at least helped
            out the poor SOB since he was one of her TNR groupies.
            Yes, he was a TNR guy!

            Jeff Makian wrote:
            True, yes. Actions in life have consequences. She destroyed her own life. The only thing logical for this moron to do now is sue someone else for what she did.
            Some mentioned she had a boyfriend who dumped her over what she did. Can you imagine dating the disgusting idiot? 3:19 p.m., Thursday June 25

  • Herekittiez

    The cat featured in this article, is NOT TIGER!

    • Sally Waters

      Please identify your source. I’ve been skeptical all along.

      • Marie M

        I believe the OP was referring to the first picture in the article, which does NOT appear to be Tiger. The shot of Kristen with the cat on the arrow, is widely referred to as Tiger, and does appear to have the same markings.

        Also, the article has a disclaimer that the first picture is not Tiger. I believe that’s where the confusion lies.

        • Sally Waters

          I have a cat in my lap appears to have the same markings. Let’s try to maintain some credibility here folks.

          • Marie M

            I was merely trying to address the confusion over the disclaimer. I make no claim as to whether or not the photo of Kristen has Tiger or a feral cat. So there is no need to be snotty about “credibility”.

          • Sally Waters

            Before you get all testy…as you can read above…I am an attorney who is
            trying to assist in this situation…unfortunately, in the legal world, we require “proof”. I am just trying to ascertain whether anyone has any actual proof that the cat belonged to someone.

          • Marie M

            Too late. And my daughter is an attorney, as well, so legal jargon doesn’t impress me.

          • Sally Waters

            Well…whoopee…because we all know there is only one kind of attorney…I am a criminal defense attorney and spent almost ten years as a prosecutor…shall we debate the Rules of Evidence now?

          • jllutseck

            My father is a criminal defense attorney who has practiced since 1984. I’ve been a legal assistant in his practice since 1996, and am currently earning my JD. It’s pretty clear that you’re here on Kristen Lindsey’s behalf, attempting to establish doubt in the potential jury pool. Unfortunately for you, it’s going to be incredibly difficult to empanel a jury that believes a cat’s caretaker is unable to identify the cat in a photo.

          • Guest

            I am a law professor in North Carolina dumbass. I couldn’t care less about a potential jury pool in Texas. You should study more if that the conclusion you reached.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Sally wrote, “I am a law professor in North Carolina dumbass. I couldn’t care less
            about a potential jury pool in Texas. You should study more if that the
            conclusion you reached.”…not exactly true. You are an assistant professor. [email protected] is the dean of school. Someone like you has no business pretending to be a professor, and your boss should be aware of how you conduct yourself and represent yourself in a public forum.

          • Sally Waters

            “He” will get a chuckle out of you sir. That is for certain.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Good! I’ll get a chuckle out of it also! I don’t understand why you haven’t provided AJ’s email yet….

          • Sally Waters

            You claim to already have it from your extensive research/stalking. Are you one of this sad lonely shut-ins that has nothing to do other than argue with complete strangers on the internet?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Yes, Sally – I’m a lonely shut-in…and apparently you aren’t.

            I’m glad me contacting her is kosher with you…I’m glad you think she’ll enjoy it!

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Well, I’m glad Dean Grube will be entertained, and that you have no problem with me contacting her. Here is what I sent her.

            Dear Dean Grube,

            I’m writing about a person who claims to be a professor of law – Sally Waters. Last night, Ms. Waters engaged in several heated arguments online, with several different people. Overall, (in my opinion) she was abrasive and insulting…which really isn’t new, or worth bringing to your attention. In berating several online posters, she used foul language, and resorted to name calling unbecoming a college professor.

            Ms. Water was vocal about being a “Professor” in North Carolina, and after a brief search, I found that she’s employed by your school. It’s very possible someone is pretending to be Sally Waters…if this is the case, I hope you will notify her, and let her know how this person is representing themselves. If this is the Sally Waters at your school, I hope you’ll take a second and review how she handles herself in a public forum.

            https://disqus.com/by/disqus_u

            In this age of social media, nothing you say ever goes away. Any member of your faculty is a representative of your school. How your staff conducts themselves is a direct reflection of your school. Time and time again we’ve seen employees do or say something online that has brought embarrassment and shame to the their employers. If this person posting as Sally Waters is a member of your staff, maybe it would be wiser of her to be more understanding and compassionate to those who don’t have her training…maybe it would be better for her (and your school) if she conducted herself as a professor dedicated to nurturing, encouraging and helping people, instead of insulting, berating and resorting to vulgarity.

            Forgive me for taking up your time. Publicly, the person posting as Sally Waters encouraged me to contact you, and said you would get a “good chuckle” from her posts. Below is an example of her behavior that looks like she tried to delete. It was written by her last night, but this morning, it was edited to say “Guest”….I hope you don’t find this conduct humorous and I hope this is not how Ms. Waters conducts herself when interacting with students.

            Sally wrote, “I am a law professor in North Carolina dumbass. I couldn’t care less about a potential jury pool in Texas. You should study more if that the conclusion you reached.”

            My Best,

            Jeff

          • Guesty McGuesterson

            I dunno man… too far, methinks.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            No, not at all. She was pretty insistent her boss would get a laugh from it. Public University Asst. Professor who shouts vulgarities in a public forum reflects poorly on the school. Common sense, Gusty.

          • Guesty McGuesterson

            I’m not saying what she did was bright, but reaching out to her boss is taking it a little far, I think. We can agree to disagree on that.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            we’ll have to agree to disagree. Her actions directly reflect on the school, a public university. Professors are supposed to be role models…and when one isn’t, the school has every right to know.

          • LFW

            Damn you tried to get someone fired from their job for using the word dumbass in a chatroom. Dude that’s a little harsh.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Huh? Who said anything about getting her fired? Where do I say that?

            Welcome to disqus, LFW, 1st day, huh? hmmmmmmmm odd.

          • LFW

            I see you just joined two days ago…odd.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            yeah, but you just joined today…and have directed 90% of your comments at me….that is so very odd. Sally did the same thing to me..she was infatuated.

          • LFW

            Oh no! Are you going to track down my house and job too?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Huh? I didn’t track down her job – she shouted it (in all caps) to everyone here. Show me where I tracked down her house? This nutjob poster her license #..what kind of sicko does something like that?

          • LFW

            She shouted her profession in all caps? Really? I think that’s probably another lie like her shouting vulgarities. You have a problem with the truth don’t ya?

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            As a matter of fact, yes – she was posting lots of things in all caps – she deleted her account, so you’ll miss some things, but some of it is still here. Sally, this isn’t healthy…you know that, right? and you know we know it’s you, right?

          • LFW

            Tell me more about the vulgarities she shouted.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            ohhhh, Sally….Sally, Sally, Sally….this is going to get you in trouble…you understand that, right?

          • LFW

            LOL…you can tell lies about me too? You don’t even know my real name.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Well, I don’t want anyone to get in trouble – but if continue to libel, finding your real name is as simple as a click.

            But why do that to yourself? Why don’t you show me where I said I wanted to get you fired? Sally, this is not healthy.

          • LFW

            Find that vulgarity she shouted yet? Still waiting.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            I will, as soon as you show me where I said I wanted you fired from your job…that’s fair, right?

          • LFW

            Well that is pretty much an admission. Good enough.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Great, so you’re going to show me where I said I wanted you fired, right?

          • Kat

            How do you find out their real name? Just curious

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            She was using her full name as her alias. She also bragged about being a professor in NC.

          • LFW

            You are still stalking that professor? Man get some help please.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            I never in my life got a such a nice reply from anyone was I did someone who was really who they said they were. They were “dismayed” to know someone was using their name. You know what I mean, don’t you, LFW?

          • LFW

            Nope…you lost me there.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            I can’t say too much, because the real person might be taking legal action. If I’m not mistaken, a request for the ip address has formally been made.

            Did you know it was against the law to use someone’s name and identity without their approval? They’ll most likely just get a slap on the wrist and have to pay a hoooolllleeee lotta fines and legal fees.

            Not smart. Not smart at all.

          • LFW

            Hmmm….fascinating….

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            not really…moronic is more like it.

          • LFW

            So it seems you are the professor’s hero. That must have surely endeared yourself to her .

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            You really seem to have a strong, unhealthy interest in this. Don’t worry about things you can’t control. If they decide to prosecute, it was meant to be.

          • DS

            Someone has already send her profanity and unethical comments to the school. I don’t know who and could care less, just happy they did.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            This is odd, Sally…it appears you’ve tried to delete this statement – it was written by you, and now, it says, “Guest”….you told me your dean would enjoy your writings and get a laugh? I don’t understand why you’ve decided to change it. Here is what I wrote her…

            Dear Dean Grube,

            I’m writing about a person who claims to be a professor of law – Sally Waters. Last night, Ms. Waters engaged in several heated arguments online, with several different people. Overall, (in my opinion) she was abrasive and insulting…which really isn’t new, or worth bringing to your attention. In berating several online posters, she used foul language, and resorted to name calling unbecoming a college professor.

            Ms. Water was vocal about being a “Professor” in North Carolina, and after a brief search, I found that she’s employed by your school. It’s very possible someone is pretending to be Sally Waters…if this is the case, I hope you will notify her, and let her know how this person is representing themselves. If this is the Sally Waters at your school, I hope you’ll take a second and review how she handles herself in a public forum.

            https://disqus.com/by/disqus_uzxlSrrMQL/

            In this age of social media, nothing you say ever goes away. Any member of your faculty is a representative of your school. How your staff conducts themselves is a direct reflection of your school. Time and time again we’ve seen employees do or say something online that has brought embarrassment and shame to the their employers. If this person posting as Sally Waters is a member of your staff, maybe it would be wiser of her to be more understanding and compassionate to those who don’t have her training…maybe it would be better for her (and your school) if she conducted herself as a professor dedicated to nurturing, encouraging and helping people, instead of insulting, berating and resorting to vulgarity.

            Forgive me for taking up your time. Publicly, the person posting as Sally Waters encouraged me to contact you, and said you would get a “good chuckle” from her posts. Below is an example of her behavior that looks like she tried to delete. It was written by her last night, but this morning, it was edited to say “Guest”….I hope you don’t find this conduct humorous and I hope this is not how Ms. Waters conducts herself when interacting with students.

            Sally wrote, “I am a law professor in North Carolina dumbass. I couldn’t care less about a potential jury pool in Texas. You should study more if that the conclusion you reached.”

            My Best,

            Jeff

          • DS

            Yes, well there seems to be no limit on the arrogance of the Vet, the subject of this crime and this purported attorney – lol. Like the Vet she claims she will not have any issues at work for her comments. That worked out very well for the Vet didn’t it? lol

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            I wish there was a way I could comment with her seeing it…every statement we make fuels her anger – and there is no healthy debate with someone who has some things going on in life…but yes, I agree. I’ve been following this story since day 1. I watched the raw interview footage with the Austin Sheriff (about 15 minutes worth) – he does mention his investigation included speaking with the cats owners. Amy Hensell was the catsitter (and friend of the family) who has created a page. Of course, for the other person in this debate, the page is a fraud, and Amy is collecting cards and well wishes with ill intent. The owners directly made a statement on the tiger support page, but, because it was the internet, “she” felt it was false.

            Amy’s done several interviews. She has early (as Friday of last week) stated that the owners wish to press charges.

            From a practical standpoint – if Amy Hensell was trying to collect funds and making statements fraudulently, she’d go to jail – and the linch mob on the internet would go nuts. The idea that Amy is a liar is sooooo unlikely…her online friends, her life long friends, her character has never been questioned (until now). She’s never been charged with fraud, she’s just a local country gal who loves animals, who happened to be pet sitting at the wrong time.

            I’m willing to say, hey, sure, maybe Amy is the one behind all this, maybe I’m wrong. Without mentioning anyone’s name – the person on the other side of this debate is NOT willing to accept that it’s possible Amy is telling the truth.

            That strikes me as very odd, I’ve debated with attorney friends, and they are able to playfully go back and forth, supporting their own arguments in one breath, and tearing them apart in the next. I’ve had my concerns with the person we’ve been debating with, because he style is so rigid…so committed to defending these acts. It’s just so bizarre. Just my .02…no offense intended for anyone here….just random thoughts.

          • Father “Spergie” Makian

            Sally wrote, “I am a law professor in North Carolina dumbass. I couldn’t care less
            about a potential jury pool in Texas. You should study more if that the
            conclusion you reached.”…not exactly true. You are an assistant professor. [email protected]
            is the dean of school. If I was dean of any school, and I had a professor who shouted insults in a public forum, I’d want to know. jllutseck, I strongly encourage you to share Sally’s reply below with the school.

          • Marie M

            Love the way you scurried around deleting your name from your posts. And just for the record, she is a criminal defense attorney, too. I’ll bet you put your pants on one leg at a time, as well…

          • jllutseck

            “I am an attorney who is trying to assist in this situation”

            …And there you have it. She pretty much admits that she’s working for Kristen Lindsey. Anyone working with the Austin DA would not be on the internet asking random folks to prove this is Tiger, and she’s already commented that she doesn’t know who the owner was, and claimed Tiger’s caretaker can’t make a positive identification.

            I’m a legal assistant, and it’s fairly obvious the goal here is to create doubt in the potential jury pool.

          • jllutseck

            I think “Sally Waters” is a professional being paid to try to create doubt in the potential jury pool.

          • jllutseck

            So post the picture to prove it.

          • Sally Waters

            Here ya go

          • Lucy Van Pelt

            Is that cat on your lap?

          • DS

            It is very clear when you compare the FB page to the video of the cat that the left rear leg has identical markings. A no-brainer.

    • Guest

      There’s a misunderstanding here. The cat featured in the story, shown with the arrow through his head, is Tiger- the cat in the the video of Tiger, the cat, riding on the tractor. The story was written by an author, about a cat shot by Kristen with an arrow. That is the cat the story features, and that happens to be – to the best of anyone’s knowledge so far- Tiger, the cat that was riding the tractor in the YouTube video, a still from which is on the Justice for Tiger facebook pages. Either the author grabbed a stock photo, or more usually, an editor wrote the headline and chose a random stock ‘orange and white tabby’ photograph to lead the story. (or they thing that that’s tiger, but it’s clearly not. Tiger’s a macrel tabby, that cat’s a classic tabby. There are a number of basic tabby coat patterns- the stock photo isn’t even close to Tiger.) So, again THAT photo is quite obviously NEITHER the animal shot with the arrow, NOR the animal on the Youtube video and on the Justice for Tiger facebook pages. We all know that- because a) it’s obvious and b) editors do so much last minute work they either grab the first similar but licensed stock photo they have, or that an art editor hands them. The cat the author wrote about, was the cat shot by the arrow. Which is the same pattern type, and best I can see, identical markings. There might be some confusion over the term ‘featured in the article’. The cat featured in the article is not, and looks nothing like and has completely different shape, and coat pattern from the stock photo used to head the article. It’s possible the author chose that, but either way- that’s a stock photo of a completely different cat. The story features the cat shot by the arrow. THAT cat has identical pattern and identical markings and location and history, as the cat riding the tractor in the video. Tiger’s photo is on tiger’s video, alive on a tractor, and is the is (barring photoshop pranks or hacks) almost certainly and nobody has pointed out why it is not- the cat that later on was shot by Lindsey. Sorry for the ambiguity.

  • Felix Morningside

    Kristen Lindsey needs to be prosecuted and put away before her thirst for blood rolls over to include humans.

    • Sparky

      TNR kooks posted death threats against her.

  • John Smith

    In some ways, this article is ridiculous. No, the anger and outrage over what Kristen Lindsey did does not have to do with her being a woman. Also, there is another angle here which the media is ignoring. This was a FAMILY event -according to the postings Mom (Becky Lindsey) took the pictures (she and Dad were visiting) and noted how proud they were of her. This made it especially bad. The other factor being ignored is that Becky Lindsey is the Treasurer of a County in Wyoming named Big Horn. Mom is a PUBLIC OFFICIAL who may have witnessed and applauded a crime! So author, well written article by most measures but the hypothesis that the outrage has to do with Kristen being female is incorrect.

    • Sally Waters

      I agree with the author. Brutality like this is not as shocking when it comes from a man. That is part of the public fixation.

      • tikibwana

        I disagree. When similar brutality was exhibited recently here in Texas, the men in question were arrested– swiftly.
        This woman has not been arrested.

    • Lucy Van Pelt

      Had this been a man and not a young female -I bet he would have been arrested.

  • PhattElvis

    Could you resist for 5 minutes the vanity-driven urge to play contrarian, to strain so mightily to find “the other side” when no such other side exists? Your attempt to conjure up “journalistic objectivity” is nothing more than an exercise in pretentious futility.

    Consider the possibility that the objective view here is to be outraged, disgusted and furious. It is, after all, absolutely appropriate to be enraged at brutality inflicted upon weaker helpless beings. It is absolutely appropriate to be enraged at the betrayal of trust when a professional responsible for the care and protection of weaker beings harms them instead.

    So what if Lindsey is a woman! You must’ve sprained your brain stretching for some way to make this offender into a victim. Maybe the sexism that needs remedying is to increase the disapprobation directed at men when they act in savage ways towards the weak and vulnerable. Any lesser standard of culpability applied to men in no way diminishes the reprehensibility or arrogance of what Kristen Lindsey did.

    • Sally Waters

      Wow….you must own a thesaurus.

      • GeorgeReston

        Great retort, Sal.

        • tikibwana

          Well, what else has she got… she went to law school at Loyola in Louisiana…

    • Lucy Van Pelt

      I have to agree with you, that bit about her being treated differently because she was female didn’t ring true to me at all.

  • E.L.

    There is no indication that her license has been suspended. The board is beginning to look into it but they have not announced anything yet. Either way, investigation and hearings that leads to revoking/suspension of licensure or disciplinary actions would take time. If she is charged and/or convicted of animal cruelty maybe process could go faster? I dunno. She’s still active and licensed according to the TX board license verification page.

    • Sally Waters

      Watch out EL…bringing “facts” into this conversation will get you attacked.

      • Marie M

        No one has attacked anyone. Except you have attacked others.

  • LD

    She is a despicable human being. What she did to poor Tiger was horrible. As a vet, she is supposed to have compassion for animals. Instead, she hunted and killed the cat for sport and bragged about it. The photo of her with the cat and smiling over what she did is disgusting. I have emailed the district attorney urging them to press charges and prosecute her for animal cruelty. I have also emailed the Texas veterinary licensing board and urged them to permanently revoked her veterinary license. As for her mother who allegedly took the picture, I hope there is a way that charges can be brought against her as well.

  • laurelei

    Justice for TIGER is Justice for ALL animals murdered by people like this- you have to set precedent and make an example. You cannot let this ride or let Tiger go in vain. Killing cats is a felony- feral or not!

  • Steve G Richko

    How did she ever make it through school , I would think she has had mental problems all her life . This woman is very sick and a danger to society .

  • jllutseck

    For the “law professor” trolling the comments… :)

    • Sally Waters

      Waa Waa Waa….you can sustain a reasonable argument based on fact rather then emotion…?

    • Sally Waters

      I’ve done both for 20 years dear…do let us know when you finally graduate from something other than high school…

      • tikibwana

        Really, as a fellow attorney (retired), licensed in Texas, you are embarrassing the legal profession with your rude condescension towards others.

        It seems as if you are bored and arguing for argument’s sake…

  • Sally Waters

    Everyone advocating on behalf of this poor cat needs to be smart about it. Don’t be like those fools in Ferguson shouting “Hands up, don’t shoot”. This might have been Tiger or it might not have been. It doesn’t matter whether it was or not. She should not have murdered the cat even if it was feral. That is the argument people should be making. That is the sound argument that no one can disprove. Set emotions aside and argue from reason if you want to win.

    • LFW

      Should have listened to this person.

    • Sparky

      They were really too busy exhorting about how
      this bow and arrow death was cruel and outright
      illegal but posting violent ideation and threats.

      I asked them to post Shepardized case law (Lexis/Nexis)
      and keycites (Westlaw) to delineate the limits and
      exemptions to this law.

      I only got ANGRY responses from Becky!

      LFW wrote: Should have listened to this person.
      6:10 p.m., Wed June 24
      Guest

      2 months ago

      Everyone advocating on behalf of this poor cat needs to be smart
      about it. Don’t be like those fools in Ferguson shouting “Hands up,
      don’t shoot”. This might have been Tiger or it might not have been. It
      doesn’t matter whether it was or not. She should not have murdered the
      cat even if it was feral. That is the argument people should be
      making. That is the sound argument that no one can disprove. Set
      emotions aside and argue from reason if you want to win.

  • Simone Volker-Swarts

    I could care less if she were a man. And I believe 99% of us feel the same. We would still insult his looks and use different words to describe him…words that are fitting for a heartless man…. the point is….whether it be male or female they would still receive the same response.

  • cuppanoodles

    If she can’t find work as a vet in another state, a few years from now or sooner she’ll probably end up in law enforcement or working as a consultant regarding “animal control” or something of that nature. Seems disgustingly fitting if you ask me…

  • Padge Vounder

    Not the first person to be socially retarded on the social network.

  • Fyrecat

    She took an oath to do no harm. She killed a helpless animal-a cat that was helpless. What I find very sick is that her mother took the picture. This wasn’t deer hunting (which I don’t like, or support, but understand people do deer hunt for sustenance.) This was a cat, doing no harm to anyone. That picture makes me angry and sick-and I can’t understand the moronic mentality that made her do this-did she not think that clients have cats and wouldn’t particularly like that she enjoys killing them? I think that is really disturbing.

  • troydub

    “…suggests that some people are reacting even more strongly because she’s a woman.” Let’s not get carried away with the feminyst crap. They’d be calling a guy who did this names as well. Her gender is irrelevant.

  • KAE986

    If you have the stomach to look at that awful picture again, the cat, Tiger, has blood all over his right leg, leading many, myself included, to believe she may have actually trapped him first, and then shot him point blank when he was stuck in the trap and had no where to go. I hope her vet license is revoked permanently and she is charged with animal abuse, and abusing an animal corpse.

  • Tamara Thayer Lynch

    But don’t forget, she is “awesome.”

  • JohannIvan

    She showed immense pleasure in her act which inflicted suffering and death on a creature which was no threat to her. That speaks volumes as to her lack of empathy. And as psychologists have warned us for years.. this is a clear sign of someone who usually goes on to “bigger game”. She (and I use that term loosely) is a vile POS.

  • Guest

    The arrogance, the pride a doctor of veterinarian medicine took in killing a beautiful day is despicable. In a 2011 blog she wrote of “things that make her happy” (still available to read online) where she states she likes “killing animals”. I am quoting her blog page. How this poor excuse for a human being hasn’t been charged with animal cruelty I don’t know. I can not get the image of the cat out of my mind. And no, don’t let this fade away people, keep pressuring the authorities to at least charge her with cruelty to animals.

  • Chris Busby

    hang the bitch

  • Chris Busby

    give me 5 minutes with her and her scum mother,i’ll show them what is fun

  • Jason

    Jeff is right. To kill it in the first place was horrible, but to post it and brag about it shows a level of stupidity that can only be removed by a bullet to the head. She is way too stupid- it is amazing that she was able to finish high school let alone veg school.

  • Liz Lillith Jamieson

    As one of the admin for the

    Police In Texas Prosecute Kristen Lindsey For Animal Cruelty page i would like to not only thank you for noticing our little page but to also say the reason we set this up is because this shocked us to the core. The creator and myself are from the uk and while we have us and even an austrailan admin now we want to raise as much awareness about this as we can. We want to try to make sure that justice is done, the difference between Kristen and the man you refrenced in your article is he was punished, he was stripped of his license was charged and is facing crimal charges. We are not reaction like this because she is a woman we are reacting like this as it looks like she will get away with it.

    • Sparky

      The death threats might have dampened the Police enthusiasm.

  • Spawn_of_Santa

    She definitely needs to face animal cruelty charges and have her vet license PERMANENTLY revoked.

  • Angela Smith

    Woah…y’all are ready to lynch this woman and anyone that dares have a different opinion on anything.

  • Angela Smith

    What ever happened to a civil debate. Nowadays people go crazy when you disagree with them.

    • Guesty McGuesterson

      No they don’t. You’re dumb. rabble rabble rabble!

    • Sparky

      Welcome to the internet!

  • Guest

    The person you see commenting so frequently with no profile pic and has a name of Guest had recently changed her profile picture and name to what you see now. Why is that?

    • Lucy Van Pelt

      How very astute of you 😉

    • Guesty McGuesterson

      I imagine because she realized it was very easy to find her. I had enough good sense not to call out her university, but it took all of one Google search to find where she works, her office hours, what classes she teaches, etc. That’s just not safe.

      • Father “Spergie” Makian

        Yeah, when you’re calling someone “dumbass” on a public forum, and then telling them you are a law professor, and telling them the state…..gosh, in this day and age, with so many mentally deranged people, how stupid do you have to be?

        In addition, she clearly learned nothing from Kristen Lindsey. This is the WORLD WIDE WEB what you post on the internet will follow you the rest of your life! Clearly, at some point, Sally figured out she wasn’t being smart, and tried to delete some of the vulgarities….but just like Kristen learned, once you put it out there, it’s out there forever. Common, common, common sense….amazing someone claiming to be a professor wouldn’t know that.

  • Eyes Have It

    Actually there is a go fund me page for her. Still at $0
    http://www.gofundme.com/helpkristenlindsey

    • LFW

      That is crazy. Who the hell would give $ to her???

  • Sophie Cat

    Stupid whore.
    There, how’s that.

  • conservativefactcheck_dot_com

    There is actually a gofundme page:

    http://www.gofundme.com/helpkristenlindsey

  • LFW

    For Tiger or the bitch that killed him?

    • Pebbles_1969

      It’s for the murderer

      • Angela Smith

        They have lost their minds then

  • FeelALot

    Really?! That’s great! Let her miserable parents’ bank accounts be bled dry for their evil spawn daughter instead. I can’t even imagine…anyone asking for HAND-OUTS from people for this piece of pond scum after the atrocity she committed!

    • Sparky

      The death threats against her speak well of your kook groups!

  • Mellow Jessica

    Dan, you’re surprised or aren’t sure you agree that it’s quite obvious why that this story has garnered so much attention online and that “44,000 people” are lobbying for Kristen Lindsey, DVM to be punished to the fullest extent of the law? Really?

    Well, let this person, who admittedly doesn’t care for cats a lot, spell it out
    for you: The vet in question has probably committed the single most
    cruel public act against a defenseless animal that any vet in the
    history of that noble profession has ever done.
    Get it now? Still not
    shocked? Go find your soul.

    • Sparky

      Oh the drama! LOL

  • Pebbles_1969

    Austin County (TX) Grand Jury meets April 29th: This article needs our support. Please voice your comments #JusticeForTiger and stricter and enforable laws AGAINST animal cruelty:
    http://www.examiner.com/article/justice-for-tiger-austin-county-grand-jury-meeting-set-for-april-29

    • Sparky

      How’s that GRAND JURY shaping up for May 2015 you nut cases?

      • Sparky

        You TNR kooks were just TOO busy asserting your lame
        interpretations of the law, and refusing to post Shepardized case law or keycites to delineate the true limits and exemptions to the law.

        So THIS is what you get!

        ——————————————————-

        Press Release from Austin County DA’s Office
        The investigation of Kristen Lindsey for charges of Animal Cruelty was presented to the Austin County Grand Jury on June 24, 2015. The Grand Jury returned a “No Bill” in this case. A finding of “No Bill” indicates the Grand Jury examined all the evidence and determined there was insufficient proof to charge Kristen Lindsey with a crime.

        The Brenham Police Department initially referred the case to the Austin County Sheriff’s Office based upon one unsworn hearsay report that Lindsey may have acted to protect her pets from a potentially rabid stray cat in Austin County. After a thorough investigation, Sheriff’s Office investigators were unable to confirm where or when the incident took place. Without this information, officers lacked probable cause to obtain a search warrant for any Austin County properties in this matter.

        It is a defense to an Animal Cruelty charge if a person is protecting his or her own pets from an attack.

        Although evidence is insufficient that an offense occurred here, both Austin and Washington counties are suffering from an outbreak of rabies cases, and at least one local resident is currently undergoing treatment after contact with a rabid animal. Residents are encouraged to vaccinate all pets.

        Subpoenas to Facebook failed to produce useable evidence, as the account was deleted the same day law enforcement became aware of the matter. Without more information, the State lacks proof that this incident even occurred in the state of Texas. ln some jurisdictions of the United States, hunting stray cats is expressly permitted. In the state of Wyoming, for example, citizens are permitted to hunt stray cats all year with very little restriction. [W.S. 23-1-101(a XviiiXA); W.S. 23-3-103].
        lf the State could prove an incident did occur in Texas, Texas Penal Code 42.092 essentially requires the State to prove that either 1) a defendant killed a stray cat in a cruel manner, or 2) a defendant killed a cat without the owner’s consent.

        First, the American Veterinary Medical Association guidelines state that physical methods of killing animals such as a gunshot or bolt to the head can be humane when done correctly.
        (A.V.M.A. Guidelines for the Euthanasia of Animals, 2013 Ed., at
        11-12). When performed properly, the animal may exhibit involuntary movements but is unaware and unable to experience pain. (A.V.M.A. Guidelines for the Euthanasia of Animals, 2013 Ed., at 16). Evidence is insufficient, based on the online photograph alone, to determine whether the animal was killed in a cruel manner.

        Second, investigators were never able to positively confirm the identity of the cat seen in the social media photograph. Although one witness believes the cat to be a pet named ‘Tiger,” three different area residents had fed similar looking cats at one time or another that had no collar and had strayed. Evidence was insufficient to positively identify an owner for the cat in the online photograph.

        The Texas Board of Veterinary Medical Examiners has the sole decision-making authority as to whether Kristen Lindsey retains her veterinary license. The Austin County District Attorney is not involved in that decision.

        Animal Cruelty is a disgusting and reprehensible act that the Austin County District Attorney’s Office strongly condemns. Contrary to some reports, this office has prosecuted and convicted Animal Cruelty offenders in the past. However, the duty of this office, and the duty of the Grand Jury is to make decisions based on the law and evidence in each individual case.

        The Austin County District Attorney’s office appreciates the hard work done by the Sheriff’s Office and the diligent service of the members of the Grand Jury and their careful review of the evidence. No further criminal action will be taken in this matter.

  • dje3

    I laud her openly. I have lost a wonderful family member due to the diseases carried and transmitted by feral cats. My cat walked with my dog and I, interacted with me and neighbors and loved people and being about with us. A true family member with a lot of charactor.

    Instead of a long life he had to protect his surroundings from aggressive feral cat invasions. He eventually got feline leukemia or feline aids and had to be euthanized as he 18 lb body diminshed to less than 10 lbs.

    I have neighbors that REGULARLY volate the law by feeding feral cats outside in the open. Animal contral only gives warnings, not the $200 to 1000 fines allowed. I have captured over 75 feral cats which were ALL put down by animal control and not domesticatable.

    Anyone who believes it is more humane to allow the feral cats to kill a billion birds and amphibians a year is insane. Anyone who believes the the 11 -14 xenotransmittable diseases that feral cats have are acceptable to our socitey is insane. In fact anypome who feeds feral cats or allows feral cat colonies to exist 1. should be fined at least $1000 per incident 2. should never be considered an ecologist in any way, they help destroy our wildlife by their actions.

    This woman DOES deserve a medal for making an excellent point.

    If in case she KNEW that is was a domesticated cat then this would be a completely different issue. According to her statement it was feral. The “owner” of the missing cat did not seem to state that th dead cat WAS hers, just that her cat is missing.

    BTW, in case you think I hate cats, I have three and only one dog. Yes they all get along very well.

    I applaud her in every way for understanding that the ONLY good feral cat is a dead feral cat.

    BTW as a BOW HUNTER, a head shot such as the one shown is as humane as possible. Any spine/head shot is an excellent and humane method of irradication.

    • Carol Christoforatos

      Killing feral cat’s is NOT the answer. Trap, neuter and return is. The spayed/neutered cats cannot reproduce and keep the colony stable which means they don’t let newcomers in. When you kill feral cats, more come in their place. The cycle never ends.

      The cat this scum killed WAS NOT a feral cat, he was her neighbors beloved pet. His name was Tiger. When the picture was taken, he was still alive and suffering. His back leg had been in a steel trap and he was facing her when she shot him. A feral cat would have been trying to flee, and likely would not have taken a shot to the face. Anyone who thinks this is kind of torture okay to do to any animal, feral or not is a disgusting excuse for a human being. You should be ashamed of yourself.

      Your cat caught a disease because you were not responsible. If your cat was the beloved pet you say he was and you knew he was having to defend his food and was being exposed to sick cats, then why did you not keep your cat inside? I’ve never seen and indoor cat have to defend his food. You need to own your mistakes and stop the victim mentality.

      People like you that have an inability to feel compassion for other beings are what’s wrong with the world. Feral cats don’t want to be homeless, have to fight for food, dodge cars, suffer illnesses, and be shot by vile, psychopathic people like Kristen Lindsey. Their lives are very hard. They are feral because so many people feel it’s okay to dump cat’s when they are no longer wanted. People have created this problem and if you can’t see this and feel compassion for them, then there is something terribly wrong with your soul.

      I currently have 2 feral cats in my home. One is sitting next to me as I type this. She’s a loving, beautiful soul. She’s has an amazing ability to be able to tell when the older animals I’ve rescued are ready to pass away. She has sat with animals for as long as three weeks, sometimes going without food herself so she could be there to comfort them. According to you she should be dead. She has been a blessing to many, yet someone like you would not be able to see that. I wonder how many other blessings you have missed because of your stinking thinking. I feel sorry for you. Your life sounds quite pathetic.

      • Sparky

        Quit trying to stabilize feral cat colonies.
        Are you seriously pretending that nobody
        could take out the entire colony?
        Because wildlife management do it all the time.

      • Sparky

        No, Tiger had been abandoned for years.
        Animal abandonment is illegal, by the way.

    • Sparky

      The people with “cat lady” syndrome and who support feral cat colonies
      cannot understand a responsible cat owner being in favor of
      putting down cat colonies because they are a disease
      reservoir for the spread of cat diseases.

      One person even accused me of being PETA,
      even though PETA is against all animals as pets.

    • Marie M

      Did you know it is possible to vaccinate against FeLV? Was your cat vaccinated, and up to date with vaccinations?

      I’m saddened for your loss, but applauding this lunatic won’t bring your cat back.

    • Sparky

      Combine the “cat lady syndrome” with the misfits on the internet
      and you get the kind of whackadoos that support these stupid
      cat colonies on their neighbor’s property, of course.

  • Eyes Have It

    Dan Solomon, Tiger wasn’t dead when she took that groteque photo. He was still alive, in shock and excruciating pain, arrow thru his head, missing his right hind paw that she cut off while he was still alive and left it in the claw trap. Get that image out of your head, because I cannot. THAT is why we need #justicefortiger #iamtiger

  • NormB

    If you let your cat outside where it can do irreparable environmental/ecological damage, ANYthing that happens to it is on YOU, the OWNER. Keep your damned cats inside. This vet deserves a medal.

    • Kat

      for impressing you? You’re really not that important sorry.

  • artfuldgr

    I wonder if there are any song birds in the area..
    once the lib college girls started putting their beloved pets outside.. to catch things like toxoplasmosis gondii and give it to their masters… all the birds disappeared over two years.

    i used to visit my parents in the college town, and when the sun came up you could hear all kinds of birds… now… silence.

    but i guess thats par for the course… end DDT, murder lots of kids out of the USA, claim the birds are important, then let your animals out, support windmills, and solar furnaces that set them on fire in mid air.

    nice people…
    meanwhile..

    who gonna bitch to them for putting pets outside to kill other anmals and not care?

    • Marie M

      I thought I was finding a coherent post here. Sorry. My mistake.

    • Sparky

      I saw abandoned kittens around a university campus where immature women sneak them into a dormitory where cats are not allowed. When caught they dump them outside. This is very cruel in Northern tier states famous for lots of below zero winter weather.

  • Frank

    Every act described within the article is horrific in my book. But the power of images carries more weight in the day and age of the internet. Especially when the disgusting idiot hand delivers the image. Had that been my cat………….. doom for that brainless twit.

  • Jacqui

    This sickened me. This women was an idiot and sick bragging about brutally killing a cat. Having worked in a very large veterinay practice for over 20 yrs with numerous vets and new grads never ever had i encountered anyone
    that would even consider something like that.
    Feral cats can be a problem, but bare in mind how feral cat colonies got started
    Yes people move leaving cats behind, throughing them out when male cats spray
    rather than neutering. We have people who trap sray neuter and release here.
    Even if the cat was feral it would not deserve that.
    This poor cat WAS SOMEONES “PET”

  • FeelALot

    New, advance warning on here: “Sparky,” aka “Nature_Proponent,” aka a zillion other usernames, including “Woody,” is a recurring TROLL on virtually every article about this case. DON’T FEED THE TROLL by gracing him with any response. He’s been banned by other sites and should be banned here, too. A real nutcase.

    • Marie M

      I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to stir the hornet’s nest, I just read this. Message received.

  • reneeroseh

    In regards to your comments of the public reacting more harshly to Lindsey and other women who commit these crimes BECAUSE they are female is probably true. Why? Its because we automatically expect women to be more nuturing creatures, more vulnerable to loving animals and caring for any lost or hurt furry critter that happens upon us. I think that way too. When a woman is gleeful, showing utter joy at the torturous way she destroyed someones pet like this, part of the anger is because the public is shocked a young lady could do something so heinous. It hurts more….Shock that it was a woman, but even worse….a veterinarian. Then add in the veterinarians cold calculating mother beaming with pride and you have a story unheard of before. Kristen is clearly, a product of her mother. So haughty and egotistical enough to take a trophy photo, where Kristen allowed it to be seen by many, not once ever concerned about being tagged for a felony. Shes so “awesome”, no one would dare fire her. If she ever has any chance for redemption, she’ll have to question everything she has ever known or thought. At 31, it may be too late.

  • DrunkenHousewife

    There was a “GoFundMe” for her, but it was taken down as the GoFundMe people didn’t want to be associated with her. In general the companies which facilitate crowdfunding don’t let people with pending criminal charges get money. Here’s a link: http://www.conservativereason.org/gofundme-deletes-our-help-kristen-lindsey-campaign/

    • DrunkenHousewife

      Sidenote: I’m on the side of the cat, lest my comment be taken the wrong way.

      • Sparky

        Which cat? The one who dies a slow painful death outside? The one who was abandoned by the senior couple when they moved to AZ? The poor adopted cats who come in contact with loose cats and get sick and die? The “cat lovers” here are not really just cat lovers, they are TNR freaks, activists who promote feral cat colonies on other people’s property, they profess to love cats but they actually cause MORE suffering for cats by enabling them to live outside.

        Loose outdoor cats tend to die horrible slow painful deaths, this is the dark underbelly of the TNR freaks. They are in extreme denial about the reality of how loose cats die.

        It’s pretty sick to profess to love cats and
        pose as heroes to the cats, while actually
        causing even MORE suffering for cats.

        The cat with the arrow through it died far more humanely than the BUNCHES of cats that TNR freaks set up to die slow painful deaths running loose.

  • http://www.fewmets.org/ unclesmrgol

    I expect Dr, Lindsey, like Dr. Tierce, to be convicted of at least one felony, and to serve all the time in prison to which she is sentenced. And I expect that she will never be allowed to practice veterinary medicine again. That will be justice, given that she has not shown an ounce of remorse over her actions.

    • Sparky

      The Veterinarian Board is not supposed to remove licenses
      based on some sort of popularity contest or based on lots
      of calls or emails from a TNR feral cat lobbying group.
      Her attorney seems confident about fending off this PR disaster.

      Tiger had always been an outdoor cat and probably an intact Tomcat.
      The fact that the cat had been abandoned by his senior owners when they moved to AZ
      and the fact that there had been several neighborhood complaints
      about Tiger would of course be important to any prosecution of Kristen.

  • Deb

    Wrong! I doubt very much anyone is reacting strongly to this story because she’s a woman. It’s because she’s a Vet and she took an oath! She then showed no remorse what so ever. And her Mom certainly did show any concern when she took the picture and posted it on Facebook as she “watched it all go down…”. Two disgusting excuses for humans and an even worse example of a vet!

  • Kenneth Haley

    One word, Texas.

  • LFW

    Well, well, well…looks like it wasn’t Tiger after all…despite the assertions of all of you “experts”.

  • Sparky

    Press Release from Austin County DA’s Office
    The investigation of Kristen Lindsey for charges of Animal Cruelty was
    presented to the Austin County Grand Jury on June 24, 2015. The Grand
    Jury returned a “No Bill” in this case. A finding of “No Bill” indicates
    the Grand Jury examined all the evidence and determined there was
    insufficient proof to charge Kristen Lindsey with a crime.

    The Brenham Police Department initially referred
    the case to the Austin County Sheriff’s Office based upon one unsworn
    hearsay report that Lindsey may have acted to protect her pets from a
    potentially rabid stray cat in Austin County. After a thorough
    investigation, Sheriff’s Office investigators were unable to confirm
    where or when the incident took place. Without this information,
    officers lacked probable cause to obtain a search warrant for any Austin
    County properties in this matter.

    It is a defense to an Animal Cruelty charge if a person is protecting his or her own pets from an attack.

    Although evidence is insufficient that an offense
    occurred here, both Austin and Washington counties are suffering from
    an outbreak of rabies cases, and at least one local resident is
    currently undergoing treatment after contact with a rabid animal.
    Residents are encouraged to vaccinate all pets.

    Subpoenas to Facebook failed to produce useable
    evidence, as the account was deleted the same day law enforcement became
    aware of the matter. Without more information, the State lacks proof
    that this incident even occurred in the state of Texas. ln some
    jurisdictions of the United States, hunting stray cats is expressly
    permitted. In the state of Wyoming, for example, citizens are permitted
    to hunt stray cats all year with very little restriction. [W.S.
    23-1-101(a XviiiXA); W.S. 23-3-103].
    lf the State could prove an
    incident did occur in Texas, Texas Penal Code 42.092 essentially
    requires the State to prove that either 1) a defendant killed a stray
    cat in a cruel manner, or 2) a defendant killed a cat without the
    owner’s consent.

    First, the American Veterinary Medical
    Association guidelines state that physical methods of killing animals
    such as a gunshot or bolt to the head can be humane when done correctly.
    (A.V.M.A. Guidelines for the Euthanasia of Animals, 2013 Ed., at
    11-12). When performed properly, the animal may exhibit involuntary
    movements but is unaware and unable to experience pain. (A.V.M.A.
    Guidelines for the Euthanasia of Animals, 2013 Ed., at 16). Evidence is
    insufficient, based on the online photograph alone, to determine whether
    the animal was killed in a cruel manner.

    Second, investigators were never able to
    positively confirm the identity of the cat seen in the social media
    photograph. Although one witness believes the cat to be a pet named
    ‘Tiger,” three different area residents had fed similar looking cats at
    one time or another that had no collar and had strayed. Evidence was
    insufficient to positively identify an owner for the cat in the online
    photograph.

    The Texas Board of Veterinary Medical Examiners
    has the sole decision-making authority as to whether Kristen Lindsey
    retains her veterinary license. The Austin County District Attorney is
    not involved in that decision.

    Animal Cruelty is a disgusting and reprehensible
    act that the Austin County District Attorney’s Office strongly condemns.
    Contrary to some reports, this office has prosecuted and convicted
    Animal Cruelty
    offenders in the past. However, the duty of this
    office, and the duty of the Grand Jury is to make decisions based on the
    law and evidence in each individual case.

    The Austin County District Attorney’s office
    appreciates the hard work done by the Sheriff’s Office and the diligent
    service of the members of the Grand Jury and their careful review of the
    evidence. No further criminal action will be taken in this matter.

  • Sparky

    All it takes is a rabies outbreak and suddenly it’s open season on stray cats.

    That’s what did in “Old Yeller” in the movies too.
    “Hydrophobia” is what they called rabies back then.

    If a TNR person gets rabies will Becky Robinson
    pay some of the bill?

    If a loose cat around a feral cat colony gives a person
    rabies, will Becky Robinson pay some of the bills?

  • oniongrrrl

    “but it’s also worth noting that we tend to react especially strongly to these stories when there’s a woman involved.”

    Seriously? Playing the gender card? There is no excuse for what this sick, sick individual did to that poor cat. Yet you are trying to say people are reacting more strongly because it’s a woman?!? How about people are reacting strongly because it was a horrible thing to do, and the fact that she was so proud of it just shows she is not right in the head. Male or female, it’s a reprehensible act.

  • SON OF BARRY

    Making Death Threats is against the law…

  • BeeGee17

    She failed… It’s called SSS. Shoot, Shovel and Shutup. I live outside of town and have had plenty of cats hanging out on my property. One of them even attempted to get into my chicken coop. House Cats DO NOT belong outside because a majority of them kill for sport. I see people bragging on Facebook how their kitty brought home a dead rabbit or dead bird. They do not belong outside.

    All I know… when you shoot one with a 12 gauge using 7 shot… big red mist.

  • Sparky

    TNR people are outdoor cat hoarders.
    They profess to love cats yet set them up outside where they tend to die slow and painful deaths. These TNR feral cat colony people are so cat obsessed they have lost all perspective.

    Get a load of this one!

    Responsible cat owners should know that their
    inside cats are at risk from these cat colonies serving as disease reservoirs.

    If they ignore this, you KNOW they are not
    vaccinating every cat for rabies.

    Some states are requiring them to vaccinate every single cat in their colonies against rabies or they will be illegal.

    I think they should be required to put up a huge bond to pay out for damages and extermination. They should not be allowed to use the “It’s not one of MY cats!” defense.

    Rene Carcamo of Yonkers and Lisa Kovaleski of Livonia MI are examples of TNR people who couldn’t afford proper vet care for their colonies.

    neighborhoodcats DOT org/HOW_TO_RELEASING_FIV_FELV_POSITIVE_CATS

    Neighborhood Cats opposes euthanizing any feral cat simply because he or she tests positive for FIV (feline immuno-deficiency virus) or FeLV (feline leukemia virus). If the cat shows no active signs of ill health, we believe he should be released back into his colony regardless of the test results.

  • Sparky
  • Sparky
  • Sparky

    Responsible cat owners don’t let their cat roam free outside, period.

  • Tionia

    MAYBE people didn’t see the story of the vet who was “keeping sick animals in feces-packed cages after taking them from their owners and using their blood for transfusions”, I know I didn’t! “but 44,000 people didn’t lobby on Facebook for his punishment” So please stop being so righteous about the fact that people didn’t protest or lobby against him. Besides did he BRAG of faceboook that he was harming animals? I don’t think so!

  • chris furius

    Dearest Sparky, I’ve read the comment section on 3 or 4 articles about this tragic cat, and I’ve seen you write VOLUMES of text of barely coherent nonsense. Do you have time to go to the bathroom? Eat? Actually leave the house? The fact that you spend SO much time writing your bizarre posts tells me one thing and one thing only – you’re NOT a troll(trolls just don’t have this amount of free time), you’re an individual with WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS. Seek therapy please.

  • Marie M

    THIS is what I have been feeling, but couldn’t put my finger on. You said it very well.

    When you say that we all worry if our cats get out that something similar may happen to them, you are so right. I’ve already read a report of a copycat bow and arrow shooting of another cat. Cat haters everywhere are gleeful that they now have tacit permission to do as they like with cats. I find that frightening.

  • Sally Waters

    It really doesn’t matter if it was a domesticated pet or not. It was wrong regardless, but making up a bunch of pseudo-scientific garbage is ridiculous. It is also detracts from the overall credibility of the the community outrage over what she did.

  • Herekittiez

    I do not need to identify my source. That cat in the article is not Tiger, if you have been following face book you would be able to match the pix posted from Tiger’s support groups on Facebook. This article was written completely wrong. They should not have picked up the nearest orange tabby cat and posted it on their article. Just go to facebook, search for justice for Tiger.

  • Sally Waters

    This is ridiculous…now you’re just making up details. What is the vet’s address? What is the owner’s name?

  • Herekittiez

    So, that cat, wasn’t EXACTLY TIGER.

  • Herekittiez

    Looks like they removed the article..:) i don’t know anything about the jury YET. I will post when they find out more info.

  • Sally Waters

    I have a cat that could pass for Tiger’s identical twin. She’s alive and healthy and asleep on my lap. It is unnecessary to embellish these allegations. Even if the cat was feral, what she did is wrong.

  • Sally Waters

    Honestly…are you stupid…do you really think it is that rare for two cats to have the same markings??? Do you even realize how many cats have similar markings in that same geographic area? You are just talking out of your ass at this point.

  • Sally Waters

    You have only seen one side of the cat…50% at best…give me a break.

  • Sally Waters

    Well…my father is vet and we have discussed this case at length…so…if you want to compare credentials then….

  • Carol Christoforatos

    Did your father happen to mention that the cat looked to still be clinging to life when the picture was taken? His legs are not hanging limp like they would be if he were dead. Also, did he notice what appears to be blood on his right rear leg?

  • Sally Waters

    I’m sorry I fell asleep reading your response…where did you graduate from veterinary school?

  • Sally Waters

    That is absolutely hilarious. You are neither a vet, pathologist, or an attorney yet you are claiming expertise in all three areas. That is amusing.

  • Sally Waters

    IF you had any scientific credentials that would be one thing…but admittedly you do not….you have only read a bunch of stuff on the internet and now think that your opinion carries some sort of clout…I actually graduated from law school…I practiced law for 20 years and I am now a law professor…So sorry to break it to you but I actually have credentials…You may not want to recognize that the law is relevant to this situation…nevertheless it is far more relevant that your lay opinion will ever be.

  • jllutseck

    Why don’t you post a picture to establish that this cat you claim “could pass for Tiger’s identical twin” has precisely the same markings? I’ve owned 19 cats in my lifetime, and cared for dozens more. NONE of them have had coats that were exactly alike, including the 6 kittens that came from the feral my mother rescued. The cat in that picture has the exact same markings as the cat in the video, who is definitely Tiger. Are you being paid by Kristen Lindsey in some way?

  • Sally Waters

    I am waiting for all the FACTS to come out rather than assuming everything I read on the internet is true.

  • Sparky

    This is ALL about knee jerk reactions.
    And “cat lady” syndrome.

    Combined with the usual internet pathologies.

  • Sally Waters

    So…you concede that you have no actual credentials…you are “in school”. I teach school…law school. Maybe once you have learned enough to earn an actual degree we can talk.

  • jllutseck

    You’ve forgotten that juries usually don’t care about things like scientific credentials. They tend to go with gut feelings and believe the people they LIKE. You must not have had much time in an actual courtroom.

  • jllutseck

    No you don’t. Oh wait, maybe you do. That would explain why you seem to be confused about what happens in practice vs what a textbook says is supposed to happen. You know what they say about those who can’t…

  • Guest

    I earned my law degree from The University of Texas School of Law in 1984. I am very puzzled why an assistant business law prof from Western Carolina University with a JD from Loyola in LA would spend her day arguing whether the cat was Tiger or not… since under Texas law it is a felony animal abuse to kill a domesticated animal without its owner’s permission– so it doesn’t matter if he was feral or not. And to be so condescending to those who do not have a law degree hardly reflects well on the legal profession. For the animal abuse charges to be proven, the id of the cat is a moot point. Now if the owner’s file a civil case, I’m sure the identification of the cat will have to be proven to the jury’s satisfaction.

  • tikibwana

    I earned my law degree from The University of Texas School of Law in 1984. I am very puzzled why an assistant business law prof from Western Carolina University with a JD from Loyola in LA would spend her day arguing whether the cat was Tiger or not… since under Texas law it is a felony animal abuse to kill a domesticated animal without its owner’s permission– so it doesn’t matter if he was feral or not. And to be so condescending to those who do not have a law degree hardly reflects well on the legal profession. For the animal abuse charges to be proven, the id of the cat is a moot point. Now if the owner’s file a civil case, I’m sure the identification of the cat will have to be proven to the jury’s satisfaction.

  • Guesty McGuesterson

    You teach law in a business program as an assistant professor. Your university doesn’t even have a law school. From what I can discern, you don’t even teach graduate classes. I’m not saying you’re not correct on the rules of evidence and your evaluation of this case, but you’re being dishonest about your own credentials.

  • Sally Waters

    Exactly how many jury trials have you tried during YOUR career? I’ve tried 62 jury trials.

  • Sally Waters

    You’ve been watching way too much tv.

  • Sally Waters

    I am still waiting to hear about all of your jury trial experience….

  • Sally Waters

    It won’t allow me to post a pic…

  • Sally Waters

    Wait here ya go…my Betsy.

  • Sally Waters

    Reasoned observation…hahhaahahaa you’re funny.

  • Carol Christoforatos

    Sorry, but this cats marking are much different.

  • Sally Waters

    Where exactly? After all you’ve only seen one side of the cat she shot,,,50% of the cat at best.

  • Sally Waters

    And this pic of from almost a year ago…Betsy is much chunkier now that she has been spayed.

  • Carol Christoforatos

    The white on the chest is completely different. Your cat has much less white. The cat with the arrow coming out of his head has white that goes all the way under his chest. The white on your cat stops just below the throat.

  • Sally Waters

    How much of that cat can you actually see? If you’re honest you can see one side at best. Do you truly think you can make a reliable identification from seeing 50% of anything or anyone???

  • Carol Christoforatos

    I absolutely do! You can see that there is no orange going across that cat’s chest. Are you looking at the picture? I can send it to you.

  • Sally Waters

    And that must be the ONLY cat around that could possibly have that much white on its chest…right?

  • Carol Christoforatos

    Let’s stay on the subject. You said your cat could pass for Tiger”s identical twin. I beg to differ.

  • Sally Waters

    She could…in a photograph from a different angle…that the thing about photographs…they only show part of the picture.

  • Carol Christoforatos

    Sorry, but I disagree because her chest is orange. The other cat has a patch of white separating the orange.

  • Jill

    What facts? It doesn’t matter if the cat was feral or a pet, she killed a cat by her own admission and posted the photo proof of it.

  • Padge Vounder

    You’re really tone deaf to bring Ferguson into this. If you had half a brain or looked at history or current events you’d see that violent riots are the only way to affect positive change in our entrenched, crooked system any longer. They got the DOJ investigations not only into the shooting but into the police force and local government as well, and discovered they were severely corrupt, trumping up and fabricating charges against local residents to boost revenue. People got fired and resigned. It was a necessary evil, to do some damage in order to get the country to notice and the cause to be taken seriously. Peaceful protests 24/7 would not get the same result, not even close.

    That aside, people who kill other peoples pets cruelly deserve to have cruel things done to them. That’s not sensational, that’s making an example out of a person so others who consider doing the same thing would think twice. That bitch with an arrow through her face and held up in the air would do nicely.

  • GeorgeReston

    If Sally is a lawyer, I’ll eat cat food… the dry stuff. Her (or his) debating skills wouldn’t pass muster with a high school debating team.

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  • tikibwana

    Why are you so condescending? Trying to make up for going to a law school ranked outside the T-14, not in the top 20, 50, but also outside the top 100? Sigh… this is why so many people hate attorneys. People who graduated from lesser schools who go around with a chip on their shoulder trying to show how smart they are all the time. I cannot believe this kind of behavior coming from a professor. Very unbecoming. Never would one of my law profs from UT or my daughter’s from HLS act in such a manner.

  • tikibwana

    Oh wait– you aren’t a law prof… my bad. You are an assistant prof– undergrad–which means you aren’t even tenured.

  • Sally Waters

    I am a business law professor at a university. I am also a licensed attorney and practiced law for twenty years. If you doubt that just check the North Carolina State Bar website. In fact, I was a trial attorney. I spent five years as a prosecutor and 14 years as a criminal defense attorney. How about those credentials?

  • Sally Waters

    Well George, get your cat food ready. Check the North Carolina State Bar website. My bar # is 22194. I don’t care much for endless debates with fools.

  • Sally Waters

    So what flavor cat food did you pick?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Good for you! You’re also a horrible example of what a professor should be. In real life, Sally, you would never go around calling people names, belittling them – not to their face. You’d either be fired, injured, or both. In a public forum, a teacher at a public university is a representative of that school. Any public school teacher that goes around name calling, belittling, using vulgar language…that reflects poorly on the program you so boastfully proclaimed you were a part of.

    There is so much hate on the internet – and you’re part of it, and you know you are part of it because you attempted to delete it, sadly for you, it was already saved! Not smart….not smart at all.

  • Guesty McGuesterson

    The length of time you’ve practiced doesn’t bear a direct correlation with how capable an attorney you are by any stretch of the imagination. And I didn’t call into question that you’re a licensed attorney, but you also said that you taught at a law school, which is simply not true. Your university doesn’t even have a law school

    You teach law for non-law students, much as I had a First Amendment Law class as a journalism undergrad, which paled in comparison to my second year Con Law class.

  • Sally Waters

    Gotta run now. I’ll check back on you fruitcakes later. Go outside and get some sun Jeff. Take a walk or something.

  • GeorgeReston

    Nice… You can’t spell publicly, but you can look up someone else’s license number on a publicly available website.

  • Sparky

    When somebody volunteers their credentials on the internet look out! Is this a troll merely using a stolen name/credentials?

  • Sally Waters

    Oh no! You mean I misspelled something. Well that completely discredits me. Whatever will I do now? That’s nearly as bad as making a grammatical error.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Name calling again, huh? Spewing more hate at strangers, setting a fine example for your students at WCU – how proud they must be of you…wonder how long before you try to delete this. I’m going to pray for you now.

  • Sally Waters

    Well it’s not like I called someone a loser or anything. That would be even worse.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Sally, a law professor who trolls internet chat boards and spews vulgarities and hate, and attempts to delete them, is the very definition of loser…and I’m getting the feeling something is very wrong with you, and you need help…no joking, no dig, you strike me as lonely, and I’m starting to feel sorry for you. Please go spend time with your husband…I am praying for you.

  • Sally Waters

    We have a business law major in our undergraduate program. Students graduate with a BA in Business Law. It’s just semantics.

  • tikibwana

    She went to Loyola Law in Louisiana… no wonder she has a problem.. it isn’t even in the top 100 law schools. As a graduate of the University of Texas School of Law, Class of 1984, Sally, I ask you to please stop making lawyers look bad with your condescending attitude towards laymen. You have a chip on your shoulder as big as Texas, way too much time if you’re spending it here trying to feel big and important, and you are also embarrassing the school where you teach. I called out her bs claim of being a “law prof” early this morning — she is just an assistant professor, undergrad, which means she isn’t even tenured. The way she keeps inflating her credentials I am just embarrassed for her– she has a desperate need to make this about her –and then accuses the petsitter of trying to maker it about “her”. Sally, I will answer your question about why the elderly owners have remained anonymous. Maybe they don’t want the attention from all the cat hating psychos out there. Maybe they are afraid for the safety of their animals. Did that ever occur to you? There are some real sickos in this world and they might do something like dump dead cats on their property or kill any they have left. This has received a lot of attention and maybe they just find it all over-whelming. Why the hell does it matter so much to you?

  • Guesty McGuesterson

    I disagree. You responded to someone earlier that “[you] teach school… law school.” You don’t teach law school, you teach undergraduate-level classes that happen to focus on law. There’s nothing semantic about that difference. If I taught law at the high school level, would you say I teach law school?

  • Sally Waters

    I disagree. It’s just semantics. My students receive a BA in Business Law. So I consider them law students. Guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

  • Guesty McGuesterson

    You can disagree until you’re blue in the face, but the fact is that we have an accredited law school system here in the U.S., and you do not teach at any of those institutions – or even the ones on probation. If you got up in front of a judge or a group of lawyers and tried to pass off the proposition that because you teach law at the undergraduate level that you are a law school professor, you would be laughed out of the room. You are no more a law professor than a professor teaching undergraduate pre-reqs for med school is a med school professor.

    You can sit and talk down to people in this forum and bully all you like and try to pass your credentials off as more than they are to the uneducated, but, with all due respect to your experience as an attorney, you would never be able to put that “I’m a law school professor” nonsense over on another member of the bar.

  • Sally Waters

    Here is a reason for you. This Amy the pet sitter lives in Humble, TX. Humble, TX is an hour and a half away from where the vet killed the cat. Why is she pet sitting for someone living an hour and a half away?

    Perhaps she has simply inserted herself into this high profile story in order to get attention. She is already soliciting cards and condolences on behalf of the owners. Of course, all such items must be sent to her rather than to the owners. That’s not suspicious right?

  • Sally Waters

    Hmmm…not many bar members posting on here as far as I can tell. Lots of people who think they know the law are sharing their expert opinions though.

  • Guesty McGuesterson

    And I don’t doubt that many of them are wrong, but my comment in no way disagreed with your evaluation of the case at hand. I merely pointed out what I see to be a presentation of inflated credentials and a use of them to beat other commenters over the head.

  • Sally Waters

    Well I suppose I should do some penance then. What do you suggest?

  • Sally Waters

    My husband is finally off the bench so we can go to lunch. i will have to perform my penance some other time. Bye Bye

  • DS

    Thank you… I researched the state law on this when Tim Conatser shot and killed his neighbors dogs and was charged with a felony offense. Since she is in NC maybe she hasn’t educated herself on Texas Law.

  • Guesty McGuesterson

    I think being more clear in the future and perhaps more congenial about your disagreement would be just fine. I may have to appear in front of your husband in June anyway – my fiancee and I are getting married in Macon County and I’d really hate for there to be hiccups with the marriage license.

  • Guesty McGuesterson

    Well now, that’s just plain rude. I’ve always found it poor form to try to sh!t on someone’s law school because you felt you went to a better one. It’s unfortunately pervasive in the profession. Also, I hope you appreciate the irony of chastising someone for being condescending in the same breath as you take such a condescending tone to a fellow attorney.

    That said, I agree with your sentiment, at least in part, but take issue with the lack of congeniality with which it’s delivered.

  • tikibwana

    Well, I don’t usually go there, but after reading the vitriol she’d been spewing like she was “all that and a bag of chips” I felt she needed taking down a peg or two. And the only time I ever match credentials with another lawyer is when they act like they are better than all non-lawyers. And believe me, you run into a lot of those. Lawyers are no better than anyone else and a hell of lot of them I’ve met may be “book smart” but are dumber than a fence post when it comes to relating to people.

  • Angela Smith

    So you think insulting every lawyer in the country that did not attend a top law school made you look less condescending and bitchy than her?

  • Guesty McGuesterson

    I’ve always said that I went to law school with some of the smartest and dumbest people I’ve ever met and not a whole lot in between.

  • Kat

    Oh man ‘all that and a bag of chips’ that takes me back, i actually smiled when I read that one. I had forgotten that.

  • Angela Smith

    Well I didn’t go to law school. She may be super smart and have gone to big deal law school but clearly she didn’t learn any manners or humility. tikibwana – not the other one

  • tikibwana

    Angela Smith –And I recommend you quit trolling the page for entertainment– just like Sally was. This is about an animal cruelty case– a felony– committed in the state of Texas. This isn’t about you. This is about Tiger, and seeking justice for him.

  • tikibwana

    How did I insult every lawyer who went to a crummy school? It’s not like they don’t know it already. I just pointed out where she went and that she shouldn’t be acting like she is superior to non-lawyers. But if you are asking me if I think we even need lawyers who had C averages undergrad and cannot score well on the LSATS, my answer in NO. Because we have way too many of them already. She was acting like a rude ass, I asked to refrain from tainting the profession with her behavior, she persisted. So I pointed out that she should hardly be bragging about her academic cred considering where she went. What’s the problem, did you go to a bottom tier school, too? And do you like to go around acting like you are so much smarter than the average Joe when in reality, you aren’t?

  • tikibwana

    Did you not read the woman’s rants at anyone not a lawyer? She was being an ass. She kept saying she was so intelligent, get back to her when YOU got degree, went to law school, etc. She pissed me off, acting like a douchebag. As a lawyer, married to a lawyer, with 6 other lawyers in my family, I cannot stand douchbag lawyers who act like they are better than everyone else– like they have some kind of higher calling. They reflect poorly on the profession. If she hadn’t been so nasty to so many people, post after post after post, dismissing them out of hand and harping on the identification of the cat which is a moot point under Texas law as regards animal cruelty charges, I wouldn’t have ever said a thing about where she went to school.

  • Angela Smith

    I would just recommend not stooping to her level like that. It really shows that you lack class.

  • Angela Smith

    Wow…there’s that same rude behavior you exhibited before. You are a bit of a hypocrite aren’t you? I’d say you are making lawyers look just as bad as she was.

  • https://soundcloud.com/avris-t/likes Avris

    All feral cats are actively killing things, every day, while the vast majority of humans have likely never killed another mammal.

    Humans are at least capable of moderating their impact on the environment; cats couldn’t care less. We spread them across the world, and it SHOULD be our responsibility to correct the mistake that WE – not nature – made. The problem here isn’t the people killing ferals, the problem is the people who are too short-sighted to look past the cute faces and unreasonable sentimental attachment.

  • Sparky

    The damage the cats do to the environment is
    the responsibility of people, like the
    TNR feral cat colony people who enable thousands
    of cats to run around loose.

    When they RELEASE cats they are violating,
    – animal abandonment under cruelty laws.

  • Sparky

    I agree.
    The Feral Cat Promoters are irrational.

    It should be a criminal felony to knowingly release any non-native species into the wild because of the damage they do to natural resources. It should be a criminal felony to support feral cat colonies anywhere because of the animal neglect and animal cruelty that results. If some guy turns loose his pet cat to roam, that cat is neglected and subject to hideous slow painful death by raccoon. How is that an expression of love for cats? If your “outdoor cat” is killed by a possum, how is that an expression of love for cats?

    Has anybody else discovered how raccoons kill animals that they eat?
    They skin them alive, turning the fur inside out. Nature does not kill in “humane” ways so there is no “humane” death for feral cats POSING as wild animals. Supporting colonies in that charade is neglect contributing to and ending in hideous animal cruelty.

    For feral cats themselves, and their prey, death is usually much slower and much more painful than an arrow through the skull.

    There are groups of people who trap neuter and release feral cats, spending money time and resources to support them.

    They seem to have bought into the old and fading idea that pet cats need to run wild at night, with a new twist.

    Since millions of friendly pet cats are given the lethal injection every year in the USA alone, wasting money and resources on feral cats is actually costing more cat lives.

    State, County and Federal game wardens and wildlife management authorities simply shoot entire colonies of feral pets as destructive invasive species.

    Pet dogs in some places form hunting packs and actually kill deer. The Department of Natural Resources in most states shoot every last dog, pet or feral.

    This young woman’s mistake was not ethics but failing to understand Public Relations.

    Of course the Vet industry is going to repudiate her actions, because they are a trade association and need to protect their INDUSTRY from a Public Relations disaster.

    The young woman and her parents have lost jobs and moved from Texas to Montana because of the animal rights cyber terrorism and death threats.

    ============================
    Avris wrote:
    All feral cats are actively killing things, every day, while the vast majority of humans have likely never killed another mammal.

    Humans are at least capable of moderating their impact on the environment; cats couldn’t care less. We spread them across the world, and it SHOULD be our responsibility to correct the mistake that WE – not nature – made. The problem here isn’t the people killing ferals, the problem is the people who are too short-sighted to look past the cute faces and unreasonable sentimental attachment.

  • FeelALot

    So explain how huge numbers of true ferals actually end up starving to death for lack of food.

  • WatchOne

    No, they just pay other people to kill all the mammals they eat. Cows, pigs, chickens, goats, sheep, turkey’s, ducks, everything that walks or crawls. Humans are the most destructive force in nature, when they can’t kill critters they kill each other.

  • Sparky

    It’s not illegal for wildlife management authorities and game wardens to kill cat colonies. They are an invasive species.
    It should be a felony to release a domesticated cat into the great outdoors. Letting “outdoor cats” roam around preying on native species is wrong. It’s also animal neglect because Racoons and Possums will kill them slowly and painfully, thanks to you.
    Don’t you guys in Texas have some even nastier ways for local predators to kill cats slowly and painfully? Do you consider snakebite death to be humane?

  • Sparky

    A raccoon kills cats much slower and more painfully.

  • Sparky

    Vets kill millions of friendly pets each year just because
    they are inconvenient.

  • Sparky

    Stop feeding feral cats.
    Hunger is their birth control.
    More litters is more suffering and painful death.

  • FeelALot

    And it looks like these yokels (but UNlike my RURAL relatives, who KEPT outdoor “barn” or “porch” cats as part of COOPERATIVE living, and omg, even dared FEED them supplementarily!!!) also don’t seem to know that outdoor cats have existed alongside humans (and often very closely, so they had more rodents as food, due to OUR grain farming) for 10,000 years, and for 100’s of years in the US alone, or that it wasn’t until the ’40’s (cat litter invented) that “indoors only” cats even became a concept.

    According to their fanatical, extremist and terroristic bents, guess that means it’s “adios” to the birds, too, since they’ve been living amongst us for a long time as well. How about all the other wild, or even semi-wild animals? In fact, why don’t we just kill off every single living creature, since we’re obviously just too darn stupid as a species to EVER figure out how to live WITH any of them, huh? Hell’s bells, let’s just give up and be SPECIESIST to the MAX, shall we? Then once we’ve rid the whole planet of all life but our own, we can all start picking each other off too, to finish the job in grand style. Stupid buffoons.

  • Sparky

    How did this “cat lady” mental thing get started in you anyway?

  • Sparky

    It’s certainly not logical ethical thought, hence “knee jerk”.
    For one thing “humane” when it comes to outdoor cats
    is relative to the routine horrible ways they die.
    The deaths of the cats prey could be considered.
    Effects on wildlife management could be considered.

    People turning pet or feral cats loose should be
    charged for animal neglect, animal endangerment
    and cruelty to animals because of how they suffer
    before they die POSING as wild animals.

    This is ALL about knee jerk reactions.
    And “cat lady” syndrome.
    Combined with the usual internet pathologies.

  • https://soundcloud.com/avris-t/likes Avris

    Overpopulation and crowding in urban areas; it’s not a lack of skill, it’s an excess of competition. Cats reproduce very, VERY quickly, and a few intact breeders can flood an area with hunters in a short span of time. And guess what: TNR is okay for long-term, but doesn’t do ANYTHING for existing populations.

    Colonies actually benefit from having their numbers trimmed, hard as it may be to swallow. I maintain a group of ferals locally for pest control purposes, and I can tell you right now that this idea of TNR for every single cat is a dangerous fallacy – introduce more cats to a community, and they start depleting the local fauna. They’re just that effective as hunters.

  • https://soundcloud.com/avris-t/likes Avris

    Even A HUNDRED thousand years is absolutely nothing in terms of ecological evolution. If anything, you’re shooting yourself in the foot here; just like foxes of Australia and stoats of New Zealand, cats are an invasive species that the ecosystem has no means to safely defend itself against; Those birds you’re using as a reductio ad absurdum are native animals, and have far more of a claim to where they live than the vast, vast majority of cats.. Yet cats are butchering them en masse.

    And, contrary to what you’d love to believe for dismissal purposes, I actually do keep cats around in limited numbers – the problem is that most people see any population management at all as animal cruelty, leading to minimally-controlled invasions of cats into the environment. They’re not just sitting out there being cute, they’re actively breeding and actively killing things for food and even entertainment. TNR has great intentions, but it’s not backed by reality.

  • Sparky

    I am not a PETA believer.
    They are against all pet adoption / pet ownership.
    Trap Neuter Release programs are contrary to
    euthanasia of Feral Cat Colonies.

    I do believe that releasing cats outdoors
    should be a felony for 3 reasons.
    1. Animal cruelty because of the likely slow painful death
    2. Animal medical neglect – mange,fleas, FLV, injury
    3. Invasive species – damage to true wildlife

    The story and the comments were
    about the cruelty of killing a cat by
    shooting it through the head with an arrow.

    In comparison to the other likely forms
    of death for an outdoor cat or a feral cat,
    an arrow through the head is definitely
    on the more humane end of the spectrum.

    There has been a lot of irrational commentary
    and even several people promoting violence
    against the vet and her PR blunder.
    Even after her family moved out of Texas
    because of death threats, there have been
    comments about continuing what could
    easily be termed animal rights terrorism.

    The closest I came to calling anybody crazy
    was to point out “cat lady syndrome”.

    Even the very definition of feral cats is
    dubious because every colony I have
    ever heard about exists near and
    with the help of human beings.
    (Pathological human beings, one could argue)

    Have you ever heard of a farm colony
    moving miles into the woods on
    their own? Never.

    Feral cats are never truly feral.
    They are still Felis domesticus.

  • Sparky

    Right after you do I will send the game warden
    and the Department of Wildlife management
    over to shoot them all.

    You can get tickets and law suits for releasing
    an invasive species, animal cruelty, neighbors
    can sue you for extermination costs, etc.

    Exterminators kill them off all the time.

    You would not turn your dogs loose to run free,
    so what brain fart applies to the cats?

  • Sparky

    Apparently he did let go because the video is gone.

  • sundrop

    Avris, are you saying that its ok to kill humans to keep the population down?

  • sundrop

    why are you so worried about raccoons. we have a lot of raccoons in my neighborhood and the cats and dogs and the wild raccoons play together. they will knock on the backdoor for food too. get over the raccoon bias

  • be kind

    I like to think of myself as being somewhat above a raccoon. If you don’t think of yourself that way, I guess that’s your business.

  • Sparky

    raccoon bias? LOL

  • Sparky

    Raccoons skin cats alive, turning their fur inside out like a bloody fur sock. Very slow and very painful. If you had ever seen that you would wonder what kind of imbecile would turn loose a cat outside. Alternatively they get hit by a car and bleed out slowly in the bushes.
    Or they die slowly of hyperthermia or hypothermia.
    Freezing quickly would be humane (you just go to sleep) but freezing slowly is actually quite painful. Most people in Northern states have at one time or another felt a bit of this severe pain.

    Contrary to what many people think it does not have to be freezing
    in order for a person to die from hypothermia.

    Loose cats do NOT die quick painless “humane” deaths.

    Turning a cat loose makes you responsible for that truth.

  • https://soundcloud.com/avris-t/likes Avris

    Are you implying that every life is unassailably valuable? Does being born give someone the right to do whatever they want yet continue living, even if that life impedes the ability for other lives to exist more than it promotes the lives of others?

  • https://soundcloud.com/avris-t/likes Avris

    Yet the more humans there are, the more cows and chickens and so on live – we make some attempt to replace what we destroy, while cats do nothing of the sort.

  • WatchOne

    That depends on how you describe “live”. They are typically “living” in worse than concentration camp conditions and very short lives.

  • Sparky

    Anthropomorphizing and bringing up “concentration camps” in reference to animals is like the use of the term “murder” in reference to animal deaths. Using such absurd hyperbole was not a great tactic, by the way.

    WatchOne wrote:
    That depends on how you describe “live”. They are typically “living” in worse than concentration camp conditions and very short lives. 6:13 a.m., Wednesday June 10

  • https://soundcloud.com/avris-t/likes Avris

    Did you intend to respond to my comment, or WatchOne’s?

    Anyway, my point is that one can’t compare livestock to cats’ prey in this context; when humans are gone, cows and chickens and such will still be around. Cats are only capable of depleting non-cat populations. If someone cares at all about biodiversity, they shouldn’t be looking for excuses to give cats a free pass.

  • Sparky

    The damage to native wildlife that cats do is directly
    attributable to humans. They become a sort of
    biological pollution, like zebra mussels.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/02/23/like-most-invasive-species-pythons-are-in-the-u-s-to-stay/or

    Avris wrote:
    Cats’ non-interest in conservation has less to do with projection or considering them “evil” by human standards, and everything to do with the fact that you can’t compare livestock to cats’ prey; when humans are gone, cows and chickens and such will still survive. Cats are only capable of depleting non-cat populations. 5:39 p.m., Wednesday June 10

  • be kind

    I don’t know about that – when you spend your entire life in a cage so small you can’t even turn around (as laying hens do and as pigs in gestation crates do), it could reasonably be described as a concentration camp. (Many of my relatives died in them, so I know what concentration camps are about.) Have you read up on feedlots and factory farms lately?

  • Sparky

    Sorry if I replied to the wrong person!

    I think when humans are gone it will be bad enough that even cows and chickens would have serious trouble surviving.

    I am against feral, outdoor and loose cats.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5scHC9YVpgg

    ABCTV (Australia) News – Feral cat research at Mornington (12.10.2014)

  • Sparky

    I get it that you are cat obsessed and want to minimize
    the uncomfortable facts that contradict your cult like views,
    but you know very well that loose cats kill a LOT of animals.
    Show me the footnote you refer to?

    Wildlife management authorities, park rangers, game wardens
    and even animal control authorities DO succeed in exterminating
    entire feral cat colonies on a regular basis.

    All an exterminator has to do where guns are allowed
    or given a variance, is to set up a tree stand right over
    the cat colony den and shoot down in a “cone of death”
    for a day or two.

    Such variances are granted more than you might think!

    In many cases outside of city limits no such variance is needed.

    Game wardens exterminate entire feral cat colonies every day.

  • Sparky

    Are you on the vegetarian slippery slope again?
    Got some vegetarian cats?

  • Sparky

    Do you eat hamburgers?

  • Sparky

    Are your cats vegetarians?

  • Sparky

    Then you would not enable cats to be loose outside, making them available to the raccoons or other inhumane forms of slow death..

  • LFW

    It’s in the statement from the DA’s office.

  • LFW

    “Austin County District Attorney Travis Koehn says there was not enough evidence to prove the cat was killed in a cruel manner, where or when it was killed or even confirm the cat’s identity”

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    That IS ME!

  • Sparky

    You seem a bit tense, Jeffy.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Yeah, Jeffy got no spergy last night. But I’m going to make up for it today with a double tap of spergy on a firm, young maidens pumpkins.

    Which petition site should we use? You just want me to pick?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi0VjwNabwY

  • Sparky

    What was that, Jeffy?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Lets go with change2. that’s the one you said you wanted when we first talked about this, and the one the tnr used that got 264k “kooks” to sign.

  • Sparky

    Did Occupy refuse you?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Did you see or hear what happened to the Kristen Lindsey support group on Facebook? Some asshole hacked the account. All 89 people had death threats within minutes. Fucking TNR kooks. We’ll show them, Fucktardo! You are going to destroy them!

  • Sparky
  • Sparky

    I bet Becky R Robinson is proud of them and you.

    Sir Commodore AKA Jeff Makian to Sparky an hour ago
    Did you see or hear what happened to the Kristen Lindsey support
    group on Facebook? Some asshole hacked the account. All 89 people had death threats within minutes. Fucking TNR kooks. We’ll show them, Fucktardo! You are going to destroy them!

  • Sparky

    So what happened with the Occupy site you were going to use for
    this fake petition you want to make up, Jeffy?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Listen, this isn’t going to change our plans. There idiots just haven’t been exposed to your right minded thinking. They have no understanding of case law, they had no idea Tiger was dumped for three years, they did not know the stuff about cats being eaten in China. I’m proud of you, and glad we could work on this together.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    sir Cummardore Jeffy Makian likey.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    okay, I see the code you are using. If you want this out by Friday I want you to reply along the lines of “I’m not interested in your fake petition” and mention trees. Excellent idea, Sparky!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Sparky, we talked about this. 1) Never call your petition fake. TRUST me, ole Jeffy is going to make sure it happens, and we’re only going to use your words with NO scat. 2) The Change2 site gets more hits. If you really want to use Occupy, I’m fine with it. I vote change2 for your petition. here is the one with 264k signatures (the Occupy one only has 60k).

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/334/672/546/suspend-kristen-lindseys-license-to-practice-veterinary-medicine-permanently/

    lets use code. If you want this out by friday, say something like “I’m really not interested” and mention something about trees. That way I’ll know you want to move forward.

  • Sparky

    I’m really not interested in your fake petition, Jeffy.
    I’ve got to get back to my tree stand above a den.
    There’s only a few left and they always check in.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Ahh, you used the code we talked about! Got it. Sparky, friday is your big day!

    Ole Jeffy Makian will NEVER let you down! Jusrt keep responding to me, and that will be our secondary code you want your petition to go out!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Hey, did you know Kristens ip is 73.32.68.59….she uses Comcast.

    She opened her Facebook page again today, someone sent her a message with a link, she clicked it.

  • Sparky
  • Sparky

    Still chasing proxies Jeffy?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    OH! Sparky! I’m thrilled you replied. As long as we keep hearing from you, we’ll know you want to go forward your petition!

    I could see why the two facebook things would have you questioning if you want to go forward…Fecebook is a data aggregator and even if you dont sign up I bet that they have extensive records on you.

    But dont worry about that. Its the strength of what you are saying that is going to win people over.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Just like that you’re rolling over on this? Kristen would be very disappointed. Your petition could have really had an impact.

    No one is going to dox or DDOS you, Fucktardo…we only want to make you famous.

    Yours with Love,
    The Good Commodore, Jeffy Makian

  • Sparky

    You got turned down by another petition site, didn’t you Jeffy?

    Sir Jeffy Commodore wrote:
    Just like that you’re rolling over on this?
    Kristen would be very disappointed.
    Your petition could have really had an impact.
    Don’t let being doxed or DDOSed scare you away,
    Fucktardo…we only want to make you famous.
    Yours with Love,
    The Good Commodore, Jeffy Makian
    9:44 a.m., Thursday July 16

  • Sparky

    How many petition sites have turned you down so far, Jeffy?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Oh Sparky! you have no idea how happy we are to hear your on board again with letting us publish your petition for you in your nyme!

    Ur parents would finally be proud of you for taking a stand!

    ps
    it would be super neat if you changed your profile id to Becky Robinsons

  • Sparky

    Why do you make promises you cannot keep?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    I’m glad your back in…we had bets if you’d go “Taliban” and hide in a cave for a few days.

    Your petition is going to set this injustice right. But be patient, cant do it for my cell, you gotta wait til Monday.

    Ps,
    It really would be super neat if you changed ur pick to Becky!

  • Sparky

    How many petition sites have turned you down?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    No one has turned your brilliant manifesto down!

    Hey, now that we are close, let’s get together and talk about trucks. I love trucks. Do you love trucks? That would be super neat!

  • Sparky

    Have you read any of the stories about how
    Toxoplasmosis Gondii
    actually alters human brains?

    You knew about what it does to mouse brains, right?
    Makes them attracted to cats, so they can be eaten
    which is bad for the mice but good for the
    Toxoplasmosis Gondii parasites, completing
    their life cycle.

    So NOW there are reports of widespread
    psychiatric disease in humans correlated
    to exposure to outdoor cats.
    (Not so much indoor cats)

    Please tell me what you know of cat hoarding syndrome.

    Do you DENY that it exists?

    What do you think of the hard science possibility
    that some of the people obsessed with cats have
    been turned into zombies by T Gondii?

    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/cat-ladies-higher-risk-suicide-part-1
    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/health/addiction/cat-crazy-feline-attraction-or-toxoplasmosis-part-2

    Have you addressed the CDC research and their warnings
    against TNR colonies for serious public health reasons?

    Have you noticed that TNR people often LIE about what
    percentage of their cat colony population they have
    gotten neutered and vaccinated?

    TNR people do a lot of “woulda, shoulda, coulda”
    when asked about what percent they get shots and neutered.

    You said you only have dogs, so I’ve got to ask you if
    you think it’s OK to let your dogs run loose in town
    or “on the island”?

    By that I assume you mean the “Island Of Misfit Toys”
    an amusing reference to your spergyness.

    http://10000birds.com/wp-content/uploads/cat-feature.jpg
    http://10000birds.com/wp-content/uploads/cat-sign-2.jpg

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Blah, blah. We’ve read your morally bankrupt idiocy before.

    Foxes carry human diseases, wolves, hundreds of wild animals. If you took a picture of yourself smiling after you killed one in an inhumane way, that makes you a monster in the eyes of God, and the eyes of man.

    That’s why Lindsey only has you as a supporter, and I have millions of supporters. Because we know right from wrong.

    Lindsey will pay the rest of her life for the evil she did. Thanks to good men like me.

  • Sparky

    You’re sounding really spergy again! What Are your comorbidities by the way?

  • Sparky

    Now WHY would you use that “in the eyes of God”
    jazz when you are a raging atheist, Jeffy? LOL

    You think you have MILLIONS of supporters and
    Kristen Lindsey does not?

    Do you REALLY think that the CAT OBSESSED
    people in the USA are the majority??

    Have you noticed that a bunch of cities have been
    voting against TNR programs the last few months?

    Some of the reasons have been interesting!
    Legal liabilities!

    While Becky’s folks have been getting some places
    to grant them a special (non-ownership) status
    regarding the cats, removing their legal liability,
    has it occurred to you who DOES take on that
    legal liability?

    Some OTHER cities have taken notice when
    TNR people sought exemption from ownership liabilities!

    Their lawyers did some research and figured out
    who DOES take on the legal liability when they
    grant such exceptions in the law!

    Who do you think takes on the legal liability, Jeffy?

    Do you KNOW anybody who has mentioned anything
    about the legal liabilities regarding TNR cat colonies, Jeffy?

    Sir Jeffy Commodore wrote:

    Blah, blah. We’ve read your morally bankrupt idiocy before.
    Foxes carry human diseases, wolves, hundreds of wild animals. If you took a picture of yourself smiling after you killed one in an inhumane way, that makes you a monster in the eyes of God, and the eyes of man.
    That’s why Lindsey only has you as a supporter, and I have millions of supporters. Because we know right from wrong.
    Lindsey will pay the rest of her life for the evil she did. Thanks to good men like me.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    just glad ur back on board with letting us post ur petition!

  • Sparky

    Even more spergy!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Hey, I just up voted you! Gnight, Fucktardo, very glad we are on track again!

    Kisses,
    Sir Jeffy Spergy!

  • Sparky
  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Ru kidding me? I’m way more religious than you. When I kill a deer, cat, dog whatever, I feel remorse for taking one of God’s creatures.

    You been justifying taking joy in it for months. You support a monster who laughed about it. Jesus would be disgusted with you. At least you and Lindsey can hold hands in hell as Satan rapes ur assholes together!

    Get the New Testament out today and start at the beginning. HoleEShit ur parents fucked up with you.

    Amen

  • Sparky

    You post profanity religiously.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Oh, Fucktardo…profanity is just man created words. For example, if I say, “I’m going to hurt that guy”…nothing profane. But if I say, “I’m going to fucking hurt that guy” it’s profane. Neither carries any consequence in His eyes….because they are words.

    God judges us by our actions, our deeds, not by our words. God judges you by the content of your heart, how you treated others in life, how you treated His creatures. He doesn’t care if you use the word “shit” or “cunt” if you spent your life helping others, if you lived honestly, that’s what matters.

    I’ll pray you learn the importance of actions over words today. You’re welcome.

  • Sparky

    Classically spergy!
    Claiming to be Christian when you’re a raging atheist?
    Making God arguments?
    Rationalizing yourself as a PROFANE Christian?

    You’re a hoot, Jeffy!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Better to be a Christian with a potty mouth than one who tortures God’s creatures. Knowing I’m a better person in God’s eyes really has your panties jammed up your cunt…LOL!

    I’ll pray for you and your family today. Crack the Bible today, Sparky, you’re parents did a horrible job teaching you right from wrong!

    God Bless You!

  • Sparky

    You’re just PO’d because I recognize your brain disorder.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    No, not PO’d about anything! I’m excited for your petition! God Bless you and your family!

  • Sparky

    What are your comorbidities, Jeffy?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Not a huge fan of them. I do have a gold short fund (etf, not commodity) and have done well with it. I got in on the ground floor of Tesla and own a few other stocks. I like owning land more than stocks. The place I have on the Hamptons has increased about 40% in value since I got it!

    I love getting to know you! What do you invest in? Do you own a commoldity or a truck?

  • Sparky

    I bet you don’t have a pot or a window, unless your folks gave it to you.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Oh Sparkie, what would Jesus say about your angry words? Never be upset about others success in life!

  • Sparky

    I’ve come to expect your egotistical fictions.
    You must have some self esteem issues.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    I’ve never lied to you. Nor will I ever. You petition is going to make you famous. When it hits 100000 signatures, I’ll make good on my oath I made to you.

    Because your life stinks, Sparky, doesn’t mean everyone else’s does. You’re going to be happy you came back to chat with me!

  • Sparky

    Oh sure, Jeffy, you are as honest as any other
    internet threatener threatening a DDOS.
    Except WHAT is taking you so long??

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Huh? When did I threaten a DDOS? Are you lying again? Jesus wouldn’t like you lying. Jesus would rather you use the word “fuck” then lie to people.

    I’ll pray again for you and your family.

    God Bless

  • Sparky

    Jeffy:
    Did you know that when Disqus sends out email notices
    of new posts, those make a very good archive of what
    was originally posted?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Of course. Did you know that DDOS is a felony? Nothing illegal about IP tracking!

    http://www.geek.com/news/teen-pays-for-ddos-on-school-faces-felony-charges-1623599/

    Now lets get back to where I threatened to DDOS you.

    Sparky, I’m helping you. Now, I can’t tell you 1 of those crazy cat people might not DDOS or Dox you, there are millions of them around the globe, and some of them are very angry…angry people do silly things. Just know that it’s not me, all I did was post a webpage…no crime there.

    I’m just the guy you asked to help you post your petition. Everything else that happens is NOT me.

    Don’t be spooked, or disappear again, okay?

  • Sparky

    That’s YOUR problem Jeffy!
    I did not ask you to post any petition.
    I have neither spooked nor disappeared.
    What’s taking so long, Jeffy?
    You sure do seem to be making lots of excuses.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    WAIT A MINUTE! What’s wrong with your petition? You don’t mind me posting your words on your behalf, right? As we planned, as you’d already agreed to.

    Sparky, this is bigger than you now. If we don’t see you write, “no, you may not post a petition in my name” that will serve as your permission for us to move forward.

    Whew, we thought you were about to go Taliban and hide again, like you did last week! LOL!

  • Sparky

    Yes I mind your posting my words supposedly on my behalf, Jeffy.
    I did not agree to any such thing and you know it.
    “no, you may not post a petition in my name”
    I really do not need you to communicate anything FOR ME.

    Your time has passed.
    Your impotent veiled threats just do not excite me.
    You’re just another internet threatener.

    While you have posted about the value of
    impotent internet petitions etc. I have been
    focusing on some changes in the real world.

    I looked over TNR rejections and adoptions by cities in the
    last 6 months. They got rejected more than I had
    ever guessed! But! Because of LEGAL LIABILITIES!

    TNR promoters actually started to try to cover their
    own legal backsides by getting cities to grant them
    special exceptions to laws and legal ownership
    status. It seems that the Release part of TNR
    really has been kicking them in the backside.

    So they get TNR operators special status
    as NON-OWNERS, per city.

    Apparently some city attorneys figure out that
    if a city adopts or exempts TNR operators, the CITY
    assumes massive exposure for legal liabilities
    from injuries or damage!

    Like that one kid who got scratched on their eye
    and blinded in one eye FOR LIFE?

    Do you think Becky at Alley Cat Allies wants to
    pay MILLIONS for that??

    But in trying to get legal exemption to cover
    their non-profit butt from law suits, they
    tipped off some of the cities to the problem!

    And a bunch of cities and their city attorneys
    figured out the massive legal liabilities the
    TNR promoters want to dump onto the city.

    Failing to neuter a high % of cats in the colony
    makes them frauds, but failing to get every last cat
    rabies shots every year is CULPABLE NEGLIGENCE!

    CDC declared TNR colonies a public health hazard!

    But a juicy morsel buried in that science tome
    points out that YEARLY rabies shots are in order
    for INDOOR cats, but that outdoor/loose/alley/feral/TNR cats
    need booster rabies shots every SIX MONTHS
    because of their massive exposure to rabies!

    Just imagine how difficult that would be for
    TNR promoters to guarantee to cities!

    They don’t tell the cities about how some cats
    are “trap shy” and cannot be neutered or vaccinated.

    Do the cities KNOW THIS?

    Do you think the helpful CAT LADY on the city
    council might be upset to discover this?

    “Knew or should have known” (most good law suits!)

    Even where TNR has been granted exceptions and
    adopted, I suspect that some well placed questions
    about documentation of 6 month rabies vaccinations
    versus culpable negligence law suits might make
    the CAT LADY on city council rethink her position,
    or else she may have a tougher time dealing with
    OTHER council persons or the community if she
    overlooks such blatant LEGAL LIABILITY issues.

    I am against outdoor cats for many reasons, but
    since LEGAL LIABILITY seems to be the most
    effective way to stop TNR promoters, I will
    of course focus on that aspect of the problem
    much more!

    By the way, congratulations on your contract with
    the US Navy, Becky! I am SO GLAD that you have
    decided to be a Federal Contractor!

    I could probably have that ended immediately by
    getting the US Fish and Game people and the
    US Centers For Disease Control to squawk a
    bit to the US Navy, but I LOVE the legal avenues
    that your new contract makes available to me!

    It’s probably too late for you to run like hell from
    that Federal Contractor status anyway!

    Anchors Aweigh! LOL

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    This is sad…for a lotta reasons.

    You, more than any one person on the internet has cried about the injustice against Lindsey…you know the power a petition can have to change an a company, country. For you to not do a petition means you are the type of person who barks, but doesn’t bite…a coward unwilling to stand for what they believe.

    Look, you will spend the rest of your life running and hiding from being a coward (kinda like you ran and hid last week) and spend the rest of your life wondering “what if” I stood behind what I wrote, “what if” I had the courage to make change…”what if” I only let Jeffy hold my hand.

    Sparky, give this a few days. Think it over. A man who shouts when he knows no one will ever hear or challenge him isn’t a man. Is that the example you want to set for your family? An angry man who never took action?

    Sleep on it, okay…just sleep on it.

    Hugs and Kisses, Your new Friend.

  • Sparky

    Why would i need some impotent internet petition
    when I am so good at talking to city council people
    and city attorneys about the LEGAL LIABILITIES
    of TNR colonies?

    Most cities really want to minimize their legal liabilities.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Sparky, that Internet petition ( with your brilliance) is going to show all those kooks that they are wrong, that torturing a house pet is okay because some countries eat them.

    One petition submitted to the licensing board had 260,000 signatures! Those petitions have changed elections, moved countries, changed lives.

    The only reason for you not to do it is fear, and cowardice. I hate to see you send that kind of message to your family.

    I’m going to pray tonight that you find courage. God Bless your family.

  • Sparky

    I did not say that torturing an animal is OK.
    That’s just your hyperbole.

    What kind of imbecile thought that a vet licensing board
    is subject to real and massive public opinion much less
    an internet petition with 260K phony unverifiable signatures?

    Most amusingly you ignored my message completely, again.
    You don’t want to address the LEGAL LIABILITY issue?

    When TNR advocates try to sell their program to
    a city, LEGAL LIABILITY has emerged as a key
    and central issue.

    Even the sales pitch from the TNR advocates has
    changed to address LEGAL LIABILITIES.

    But more importantly, city attorneys have figured
    out that adopting or allowing TNR puts the city
    on the hook for HUGE LEGAL LIABILITIES.

    Too many people now KNOW that TNR operators
    do NOT keep every single cat in their colony
    current on their rabies shots.

    That little oversight is CULPABLE NEGLIGENCE
    and can mean payouts of many MILLIONS of
    dollars for injury claims.

    Most people know that it’s not OK to let
    cats run around loose without rabies shots.

    As you know, rabies played an interesting
    part in the bow and arrow case.

    Instead of touting your internet fantasies about
    internet petitions, etc. Why don’t we discuss
    the real world issues so CRUCIAL of late for
    the fate of loose cats? Rabies shots,
    LEGAL LIABILITIES, CDC health warning,
    statements from various animal rights groups
    that TNR is actually cruel, etc.
    1.4 Million cats euthanized per year in USA?

    Do you want to talk about real-world subjects
    instead of your internet fantasy, Jeffy?

    Your pals DS and Lucy(Maria) ran away
    because they don’t have a clue about the real world.
    They don’t want to talk about cities that REJECTED
    TNR and why they did so. Are you up for it?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    No, you said they eat cats in most of the world. You used that argument in defense of Kristen Lindsey, who tortured a cat. That is your line of “logic”, and we agree, it makes you sound stupid. You also said that very specific “case law” says it’s okay to kill cats (we’re still waiting for that link) and Tiger was a stray abandon for 3 years, I’ve asked you for that link several times (we have a vet report from 11 months ago).

    The petition is scary for you because you know 1) Millions of people are going to call you a fucking moron for your child like statements. and 2) Someone (again, not me) is going to find you, and give you the same justice the dummie Kristen is getting.

    I sent you a link where 1 petition changed the outcome of an election, and changed hundreds of thousands of lives. 260k signatures on any petition carries a lot of weight.

    I don’t know how you can face your family, knowing that you are a coward, knowing that they look to you as a role model. What a pussy, willing to scream for months in hiding thinking you were anonymous, but cowering at thought of standing up for what you believe in public.

    If your petition means so little, will have such little effect, why are you so scared, Sparky?

  • Sparky

    Apparently you don’t want to talk about the real issues,
    instead you want to repeatedly misrepresent what I said
    and make fictional claims. Your attempts to manipulate
    were feeble.
    Nice try Jeffy!

  • Sparky

    When do you expect that petition to pay off, Jeffy?
    How many months must pass before you acknowledge
    that the petition has had absolutely no effect?

  • Sparky

    I love how you postured that 260K signators on an internet petition
    meant that I was wrong, because yours is the majority opinion!
    But when I asked you if majority makes an opinion right, you
    backed away. I think you knew that 260K names on an internet
    petition doesn’t mean squat.

    Sent to the TX Vet board it meant even less than squat.

    If it gets rejected does that prove I am right, Jeffy?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    WHOA! You back in on you petition? I’m stunned you grew a set of balls!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Oh, lil Fucktardo, I have been trying to get you to talk about the real issues. Let’s start with the your statement about Tiger being abandon for 3 years. That is a real issue. Please forward me the link. Nothing to manipulate there, just send the link.

    I’ll make you a deal – you send where it was reported Tiger was abandon for 3 years, and I won’t publish your petition in your name. Action have consequences in life, Fucktardo, and if you’re going to make stuff up, you should walk the same path Kristen walks.

    I’m giving you just ONE more chance on this to talk about the real issue, and to make sure when I do post your petition, I’m not distorting your genius.

    This is my 4th request, lets talk about the real issue.

  • Sparky

    No, I meant your 260K signators to an internet petition to the vet board, silly!
    How old is it now and at what date will you acknowledge that
    the vet board are not going for it, Jeffy?

    Don’t tell me that 260K people got SUCKERED! LOL

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Gee, sport, I can’t tell you the vet board is going to go for it. Lindsey may keep her license, and the petition could certainly have no effect. I can tell you the vet board was sent a hard copy with the names.

    Now Fucktardo, you want to talk about real issues, I’m waiting for your link to the news story that Tiger was abandon for three years (your words). I don’t want to manipulate the words on your upcoming petition.

  • Sparky

    google Kristen Lindsey Tiger caretaker

    You can get all of these quotes just from the results page!

    Perhaps you should do your homework on that person
    “Amy Hemsell, who often acted as Tiger’s caretaker”
    who refused to call herself Tiger’s owner, calling herself his
    caretaker. A nearby neighbor in the know reported in a
    comment that the senior couple had moved away to AZ
    three years before, leaving Tiger behind.

    I saw an earlier version of the garden tractor video with
    the elderly couple plainly visible before they decided
    to stay anonymous.
    “although the owners of Tiger would like to remain anonymous, Tiger’s caretaker is”
    I don’t think that version of the garden tractor video is online any more.

    “Tiger’s caregiver is beside herself with grief”
    “Tiger’s caretaker has started a shirt campaign that ships international.”

    True Blue Animal RescueOn
    our blog today we are sharing the story of Tiger, the missing cat from
    Austin County. His caretaker, Amy, has been a TBAR volunteer for years,
    and she decided to tell his life story
    on our website. We are grateful to Amy and to Tiger’s owners for
    collecting donations in his memory to go toward a new local educational
    Trap-Neteur-Return program for feral cats in the area.

    Wow! That sure is convenient for Amy! LOL

  • Sparky

    Looking very spergy again!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Fucktardo, you said Tiger was abandon for three years, your exact words. Now your saying Amy Was taking care of Tiger. Amy also says she was Tiger’s pet sitter, and left food out for him daily, and took him to the vet. Here is the link:

    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/investigations-underway-over-photo-of-dead-cat-shot-with-arrow-posted-on-facebook

    Where is the link that says Tiger was abandon?

  • Sparky

    Because you’re such an internet freak that links are the only reality?
    Very spergy!

    I didn’t say “pet sitter” I quoted Amy Hemsell’s own assertion that
    she was Tiger’s “caretaker” but not his owner.

    Did you think your spergy abilities were going to enable
    you to be a superhero and solve the problems of the past
    that nobody else could when it was current events?

    95% of the squawking about the incident was because
    Becky mobilized her Alley cat Allies TNR cult members to
    mob up on the news blogs. Becky even offered a $7500
    reward. (She sits on millions held over from previous years.)

    Do you want to talk about how TNR promoters are
    getting rejected more and more by cities and counties
    because of legal liability issues?

    Becky is now rallying her cult faithful to try
    to stop one county seeking a contractor
    to euthanize cats as fast as they can be trapped.

  • Sparky

    What’s the point? OWNERS would have to press charges.
    Amy Hemsell didn’t want to call herself the owner.
    Can you guess why an animal rescue person might be shy
    about claiming ownership of an animal they allow to roam
    all over the place? Multiple complaints from other neighbors.

    Apply you sharpest spergy powers to that!
    I realize you suck at people skills which is part
    of your sociopathy but even YOU should be able
    to figure out why she was ducking ownership.

    But some of the other neighbors knew when the
    senior couple moved away and left Tiger behind!

    What’s the matter, is Amy concerned that she doesn’t
    have a stranglehold on all of the facts for this PR campaign?

    I see she is selling T-shirts! LOL

  • Sparky

    Did Amy Hemsell file a claim with her business insurance underwriter for Tiger?
    What insurance company was that?
    She had to have liability insurance if she was a Professional pet sitter!
    Imagine the rates if she lets animals she cares for roam the neighborhood!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    No link, Sparky?

    Amy said she was Tiger’s pet sitter. Abandon, by definition, means Tiger was left without food, water, or anyone to take care of him. Tiger was left with a professional Pet Sitter, who was paid for her services, who fed Tiger daily, and took him to the vet.

    here is a link to the video of TIger from 2014. In the description, Amy says Tiger was one of the animals she pet sits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX6m4Lj_xS0

    If Tiger was abandon for 3 years, as you stated, how was it possible for Amy to shoot this video in April of 2014?

    You have a lot riding on this, and you wanted to talk about facts, and not be misrepresented…so post the link where it says Tiger was abandon. This is our 6th request for the link.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    7th request for the link saying Tiger was abandon.

    You said you wanted a serious conversation, and I’m providing you links that directly contradict your statements.

    You said Tiger’s owners should be charged with abandonment, because they left Tiger for 3 years. The Texas law you are referencing specifically defines abandonment, and hiring Amy means the couple did not abandon him.

    Where is the link that says Tiger was abandon?

  • Sparky

    What do you think abandonment means under the Texas animal cruelty statute?
    Oh wait! You wanted to play those spergy semantic games! Got it!

    How professional is a pet sitter if they let the animal roam all over the neighborhood?

    If a pet sitter here did that in a lot of places they’d be in jail and closed down.

    And you say Professional????
    She must have some really good business liability insurance!

    Ask her who her business insurance underwriter is!

    I’d like to know what insurer would cover a pet sitter
    who lets the pets roam all over the neighborhood!

    Imagine the LEGAL LIABILITY on that!

  • Sparky

    Still counting requests Jeffy? Spergy!

  • Sparky

    Jeffy, You can dig a rabbit hole but that doesn’t mean I’ll follow you into it.
    Your spergy obsession with Tiger is pointless because when there is a
    rabies outbreak anywhere nearby (one person hospitalized) it may
    as well be open season on every loose/outdoor/TNR cat roaming around.

    No cat lover complaining about shooting loose cats can overcome a rabies outbreak.

    PARTICULARLY since TNR colony people cannot keep their colony cats
    current on their rabies shots. (Now it’s every 6 months for boosters!)

    Amy Hemsell and Tigers ownership is of no consequence
    when it roams the neighborhood and rabies is out there.
    Expect it to be dead quickly.

    You know, in the REAL world, outside of your Mommy’s basement…

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    I don’t have to “think” what the statue says, it says it right in the statue. if a person: “fails unreasonably to provide necessary food, or care for an animal” Read it for yourself:

    here is the law: https://asci.uvm.edu/equine/law/cruelty/tx_cruel.htm

    You stated Tiger’s owners abandon him, and should be charged under the Texas animal cruelty law for abandonment. I’ve provided links and proof that Tiger was fed daily, and taken to the vet annually.

    8th request, where is the link with proof that Tiger was abandon?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    I’m glad you’ve been clear on this, and we can agree I haven’t mis-quoted you. So here is how you are going to start your petition.

    1) Tiger’s owners (under Texas animal cruelty laws) failed to provide food for Tiger for 3 years, and should be charged with abandonment.

    I’ll post a link in your petition to the law, and to your statements. I’m glad you are sticking by what you said, and aren’t afraid anymore or worried about libel!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    I’ll put this point in on your petition “Amy Hensell did not carry the proper insurance to be a legal pet sitter”.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Okay, point #1 in your petition is done. Lets move on to the second point in your petition…again, I am not going to distort your words in any way.

    2) Kristen Lindsey shot Tiger using a “Bolt” and under federal law, a bolt is a humane and legal way to dispose of an abandon cat.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Sorry I missed that question….no, a majority does not make an opinion right. God does.

    It just so happens in this instance that the majority agrees with God’s laws.

    But yes, a majority does NOT make an opinion right. We agree on that.

  • Sparky

    So you’ve already admitted to distorting what I actually say by
    gratuitous paraphrasing. You couldn’t just quote what I actually said
    even when it was right in front of you? Intentional spergyness, Jeffy!

  • Sparky

    Why don’t you phone up Amy Hemsell and seek her assistance?
    Ask her what business liability insurance she has to cover a roaming client cat..

  • Sparky

    “anbandon cat” is a word choice error. You really should do exact quotes and not paraphrases of what I actually said. You also need to beware of taking what I actually said out of context by snipping away too much of the surrounding (context).

    As I said though I really do NOT need you to communicate FOR me.
    That only ends up being like a bad game of “telephone” whether
    intentional or not.

    Besides you are way too late and you are fired.

  • Sparky

    Bad peraphrase. Not what I said again. Unnecessarily paraphrasing me as harassment is strange, mostly just annoying. But then you are spergy aren’t you?
    You’re just excited that anybody talks to you or gives a rats behind what you say.

    You’ve been at this for Weeks and barely started. You’re fired again.

  • Sparky

    You thought a “Professional” pet sitter could let one of her customer’s animals just roam all over the neighborhood?? But it’s odd how Amy Hemsell never mentioned being a paid pet sitter. She used the word “caretaker” over and over again.

    Maybe you should call up Amy Hemsell so you can find out
    something new, maybe you could solve this entire mystery!

    Don’t forget to ask her who her BUSINESS LIABILITY
    insurance underwriter is for that “Professional” pet
    sitting business!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Okay, point 1 is good, but we need to go into more detail on point 2.

    You did say a bolt was legal under federal law, I can post the link where you said it. What exactly do you want to say about the bolt?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    This is your chance to clarify. Sparky, some nice folks have been printing your posts for 3 months, you deleting them won’t help you even a little. Believe me when I tell you you will be directly quoted on each of your petition points!

    How odd you would delete your old posts…how scared you must be.

  • Sparky

    Did you forget that I know you are an atheist?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Sparky, when you’re posting around your work schedule, try to keep focused on the bigger issue at hand. Your petition, and making sure we quote you correctly.

    Ahmen!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    HA! Glad you have a sense of humor about this! And sorry. My phone sometimes “thinks” it knows what I’m going to type.

    Forgive my typos, Sparky – we’ll make sure we proof your petition before we post it!

    Now don’t delete any more of your posts!!!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Yes, we are paraphrasing your words, but not altering them in any way. Each point of yours will contain a footnote to your quotes. You can try to delete them, but we already have them.

    Sparky, you seem tense today…deep breath in, deep breath…whooooooshhh, breath in, breath out.

    God Bless You!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Don’t you wish! We are going to INCLUDE each of your posts as footnotes at the bottom of the petition.

    That way people can decide if we misquoted you. How fair and unbiased is that? You are going to make yourself famous! Your welcome

  • Sparky

    I think I got them all. My aims were all good.
    Thanks for keeping me going, Jeffy!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    No worries, Sparky! We already have them all! Did you forget that Disqus sends an email of exactly what you wrote every time you post? I also heard one of those kooky TNR interns was printing everything you wrote.

    Deep breath in, deep breath out….I’m going to hold your hand as your cherry is popped!

  • Sparky

    Sorry dude I don’t swing that way!

  • Sparky

    What do you make of this, Jeffy?
    Releasing infectious cats into a colony?
    Look who promotes this!
    Now WHY would they do this?
    How many responsible cat owners would like
    knowing that a TNR did such a thing?
    Can you say LEGAL LIABILITY again?

    neighborhoodcats DOT org/HOW_TO_RELEASING_FIV_FELV_POSITIVE_CATS

    Neighborhood Cats opposes euthanizing any feral cat simply because he or she tests positive for FIV (feline immuno-deficiency virus) or FeLV (feline leukemia virus). If the cat shows no active signs of ill health, we believe he should be released back into his colony regardless of the test results.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Oh sparky, you don’t have a choice in the matter! LOL!

    Deep breaths today, sparky, deep breaths…if deleting what you wrote makes you feel better, or gives you some kind of comfort, please, do whatever you need to do.

  • Sparky

    Apparently you think so much of internet petitions that you
    gave up on the 260K signators and now intend to use a petition
    site to harass me. Because you’re spergy you thought that
    using facetious language would exempt you somehow?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    No one is harassing you! You posted on a public site. Nothing you say is private here, even if you attempt to delete it. When you signed up for Disqus, they made you click a link that said you understood the terms of privacy, and they could not guarantee your privacy.

    You wrote a lotta things that we can’t find any kind of support for…you wrote them in a public forum with no legal expectation or right of privacy.

    Actions have consequences in life. Ask Kristen, she’ll tell you.

    I hate to hear you quiver like this…I like the confident sparky better.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Fucktardo, you had one of the biggest spazouts ever recorded in Disqus history today.

    Take a few days off, and we will work again on your petition together before we post it for you.

    Remember, ole Jeffy is going to hold your hand while you get your internet cherry popped!

    Praying for you tonight, love,

    Sergei Jeffy.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    This is good stuff. I won’t mind putting it in your petition.

    Item 8)
    The TNR knowingly released infected cats into the cat populus. Kristen Lindsey’s legal actions against an abandon cat were far more humane than letting cats die a slow death of disease.

    I’ll cite you entire post unedited! How fair am I?

  • Sparky

    No thanks, I’m just getting warmed up!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    That’s the spirit, Fucktardo! listen, when you’re warm enough, can you send us a link to the case law you posted about?

    TIA!

  • Sparky

    So how do you think most normal people are going to react
    at discovering that a TNR group is intentionally releasing
    cats with Feline Leukemia back into their colony to roam
    the neighborhood?

    I realize that you don’t think like normal people but
    can you guess how normal people will react to that news?

    From a TNR groups website, by the way!

  • Sparky

    I challenged the massive TNR groupthink to post some Shepardized caselaw (Lexis/Nexis) and some Keycites (Westlaw) to support their assertions that the bow and arrow
    killing of a cat was absolutely and totally illegal.

    Of course the caselaw would delineate the limits and exceptions to the law.

    Much like the DA’s report on why the Grand jury issued a “no bill”..

    Would you like to see that again?

    ===================================

    Press Release from Austin County DA’s Office June 24th
    The investigation of Kristen Lindsey for charges of Animal Cruelty was presented to the Austin County Grand Jury on June 24, 2015. The Grand Jury returned a “No Bill” in this case. A finding of “No Bill” indicates the Grand Jury examined all the evidence and determined there was insufficient proof to charge Kristen Lindsey with a crime.

    The Brenham Police Department initially referred the case to the Austin County Sheriff’s Office based upon one unsworn hearsay report that Lindsey may have acted to protect her pets from a potentially rabid stray cat in Austin County. After a thorough investigation, Sheriff’s Office investigators were unable to confirm where or when the incident took place. Without this information, officers lacked probable cause to obtain a search warrant for any Austin County properties in this matter.

    It is a defense to an Animal Cruelty charge if a person is protecting his or her own pets from an attack.

    Although evidence is insufficient that an offense occurred here, both Austin and Washington counties are suffering from an outbreak of rabies cases, and at least one local resident is currently undergoing treatment after contact with a rabid animal. Residents are encouraged to vaccinate all pets.

    Subpoenas to Facebook failed to produce useable evidence, as the account was deleted the same day law enforcement became aware of the matter. Without more information, the State lacks proof that this incident even occurred in the state of Texas. ln some jurisdictions of the United States, hunting stray cats is expressly permitted. In the state of Wyoming, for example, citizens are permitted to hunt stray cats all year with very little restriction. [W.S. 23-1-101(a XviiiXA); W.S. 23-3-103].
    lf the State could prove an incident did occur in Texas, Texas Penal Code 42.092 essentially requires the State to prove that either 1) a defendant killed a stray cat in a cruel manner, or 2) a defendant killed a cat without the owner’s consent.

    First, the American Veterinary Medical Association guidelines state that physical methods of killing animals such as a gunshot or bolt to the head can be humane when done correctly.
    (A.V.M.A. Guidelines for the Euthanasia of Animals, 2013 Ed., at
    11-12). When performed properly, the animal may exhibit involuntary movements but is unaware and unable to experience pain. (A.V.M.A. Guidelines for the Euthanasia of Animals, 2013 Ed., at 16). Evidence is insufficient, based on the online photograph alone, to determine whether the animal was killed in a cruel manner.

    Second, investigators were never able to positively confirm the identity of the cat seen in the social media photograph. Although one witness believes the cat to be a pet named ‘Tiger,” three different area residents had fed similar looking cats at one time or another that had no collar and had strayed. Evidence was insufficient to positively identify an owner for the cat in the online photograph.

    The Texas Board of Veterinary Medical Examiners has the sole decision-making authority as to whether Kristen Lindsey retains her veterinary license. The Austin County District Attorney is not involved in that decision.

    Animal Cruelty is a disgusting and reprehensible act that the Austin County District Attorney’s Office strongly condemns. Contrary to some reports, this office has prosecuted and convicted Animal Cruelty offenders in the past. However, the duty of this office, and the duty of the Grand Jury is to make decisions based on the law and evidence in each individual case.

    The Austin County District Attorney’s office appreciates the hard work done by the Sheriff’s Office and the diligent service of the members of the Grand Jury and their careful review of the evidence. No further criminal action will be taken in this matter.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    My goodness! Fucktardo, I coulda thunked you said you had shepardized case law that said shooting tiger WAS legal!

    Either way, I’m glad your posting again. We thought you went Sandra Bland on us today (God be with her) after you freaked out!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    I’m going to be honest with you….I’m worried about your petition. I asked you for a link showing Tiger was abandon, and you couldn’t find one. I asked you for the link to the case law you said proved it was legal to torture a cat, and you couldn’t find it.

    Let’s shift gears. Do you have the link for the federal guidelines in regards to the use of “bolts? As a humane way of killing a domestic animal?

    I have no problem posting your petition without these links, just really helps protect you against libel if you can support your statements.

    Tia!

  • Sparky

    You have a talent for intentional misapprehension.

  • Sparky

    No, if you will look back in time (posts) you will see
    that TNR cultists were mindlessly repeating over and
    over that what Kristen Lindsey was ILLEGAL and that
    there were no exceptions. They oversimplified.
    Having had some real world experience I tried
    to point out to them that very few laws are ever
    that simple. I asked them for caselaw and
    two e-vendor’s special sauce applied to the
    caselaw to delineate the limits and exceptions
    to the law they had seriously oversimplified.

    This was in fact correct information and I even
    invited anybody to check it with a local
    “free initial consultation” lawyer near them.

    You don’t have to be a legal genius to realize
    that there ARE limits and exceptions to the
    TX animal cruelty statute that would ultimately
    make the case impossible to prosecute.

    The DA’s press release spelled out quite a few
    because the grand jury and he were thwarted
    on various theories of prosecution.

    1. rabies in area 1 hospitalized, open season
    2. no real proof it was Tiger, no owners speaking up
    3. no proof of when or where the cat was killed
    4. no proof photo wasn’t altered (photoshop)
    5. “lawyering up is not proof of crime”
    6. not enough probable cause for search warrant

    3 or 4 blogs were shut down completely because
    of death threats from cat obsessed people.

    The TX Animal Cruelty Statute itself was not presented
    by a TNR person but by your nemesis “TNR Researcher”.

    The law itself actually does spell out several affirmative defenses.
    The local rabies outbreak made it open season on loose cats.

  • Sparky

    You have proven once again that you have
    a talent for intentional misapprehension.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    We will find out how they react after your petition is posted. Your TNR argument is a good one…why shouldn’t we be able to torture cats if the TNR kooks are releasing sick cats?

    I might remove your point about existing case law supporting The killing of cats and use the TNR piece instead, it was supported with a good link, so far the only link we have.

    Working with you is super neat!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Sparky,,don’t get side tracked. Where is the link with the Federal guidelines on bolt use. Tia!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Spark, I gotta call it an early night. I do want to address you repeated statements about apprehension.

    Your petition, in your name and your words is going to happen. That fact is no reason for apprehension on you part. You got my word I’m going to walk you thru it, and I’m going to put all your quotes with each of your points.

    I don’t view this as something to be apprehensive about, this is a learning experience for you, an opportunity for growth.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    This confident sparky is much better than the quivering sparky from this afternoon. Crap, that was one,hellava freak out you had!

  • Sparky

    That was only referred to in the DA’s press release announcing “no bill”.

  • Sparky

    From the DA’s June Press Release announcing “no bill”
    —————————————————————–
    “First, the American Veterinary Medical Association guidelines state that physical methods of killing animals such as a gunshot or bolt to the head can be humane when done correctly.
    (A.V.M.A. Guidelines for the Euthanasia of Animals, 2013 Ed., at
    11-12). When performed properly, the animal may exhibit involuntary movements but is unaware and unable to experience pain. (A.V.M.A. Guidelines for the Euthanasia of Animals, 2013 Ed., at 16). Evidence is insufficient, based on the online photograph alone, to determine whether the animal was killed in a cruel manner.”

  • Sparky

    Do you have ADHD? You took a good argument, evidence and question
    and altered it, another example of your intentionally bad paraphrasing.

    I realize you are desperate to avoid the real world and prefer your
    internet fantasy, but to get anywhere you do know that
    the real world actually does matter more than your
    internet fantasy world.

    Even in online video games, talking scat the way
    you do really does not “win” the game, Jeffy.

    So I’ll give you another chance to evaluate the
    Public Relations effects that this feline leukemia
    quote will have with the real world public.

    If you’re not completely spergy, and have any
    people skills at all, project how you think people
    in the real world will react to the discovery that
    “neighborhoodcats” has these beliefs/policy.

    =====================================
    neighborhoodcats DOT org/HOW_TO_RELEASING_FIV_FELV_POSITIVE_CATS
    Neighborhood Cats opposes euthanizing any feral
    cat simply because he or she tests positive for
    FIV (feline immuno-deficiency virus) or FeLV
    (feline leukemia virus). If the cat shows no
    active signs of ill health, we believe he
    should be released back into his colony
    regardless of the test results.
    =====================================

    Consider this a test of just how whacked out and out
    of touch you are with normal real people in the real world.
    Please demonstrate that you’re not so extremely spergy
    that you are disconnected from the real world of normal people.

    If you were against loose and outdoor cats the way I am,
    wouldn’t you use the link and direct quote to mock them
    publicly for their insane policy??

    You do see the moral problem with that group’s position
    on knowingly sending infectious cats back to the colony?

    Do you think that is a humane policy?

  • Sparky

    You’re biased.

  • Sparky

    I tire of your Emily Litella convenient misquoting and misinterpretation.
    Is it your idea of hyperbole (game) or it is a result of your brain disorder?
    So far you seem to be all talk and no action. (spergy!)

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Hmmmmmm, no it wasn’t. Maybe if you had a link?

    Fucktardo, economy of words, okay? 5 posts in a row is retarded, 1 well thought out post.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Look, I told you yesterday after your spazout that you needed to take a break…I’m glad you’re resting today, Jeffy approves.

    One other thing for when you come back. You have my word, each point in your petition will be footnoted with your exact post attached to the petition. Folks can read the main point, and read your exact words directly from you posts, even the ones you deleted. 100% guarantees you won’t be misquoted.

    Get out tonight, change the oil on the truck, hit a movie, go fishing…I’m heading back to the island, so I’ll be out of pocket also, but we can touch base after you’ve had some time to relax.

    Praying for you,

    Spergy Jeffy

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Fucktardo, you left out a key portion of the quote “Evidence is insufficient, based on the online photograph alone, to determine whether the animal was killed in a cruel manner”

    You also didn’t read the AVMA guidelines…it spefically states, “Captive Bolt”. Read the guideline, and do a search for “captive bolt”

    But it’s okay. I want you to continue to take a few days off. If the DA can use the word ” bolt” in its press release, you certainly have the right to say it in you petition. If anyone ever questions you on just play dumb and say the DA said it.

  • Sparky

    Why are you quibbling about this trivia? Spergy!

  • Sparky

    So you are arguing that a “captive bolt” is legal but
    a bolt that is not captive is illegal? Really?

    Do you think that the “captive” status of the bolt
    is the thing that defines one to be humane but
    that if the bolt is not “captive” the method is
    inhumane?

    Seems like “spergy” reasoning to me!

  • Sparky

    Why are you so owned?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Hey, it’s your petition….I’m only trying to help you not look retarded!

    You sound much better today than you did on Thursday. I prayed for you and family Thrusday night…you sounded one step away from going Sandra Bland on us (rest her poor soul).

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    NOW this is the confident Fucktardo we like! Good to have you back! Spergie Jeffy knew a rest was all you needed.

    Listen, I wanted to include something about Ally Cats offering an award against Lindsey…can you one line it for me?

    TIA!

  • Sparky

    google becky robinson cat reward $7500 Kristen Lindsey

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Sparky, I know about the reward, I want to put it in your petition. I want YOU to one line it so you can’t say we misrepresented it.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Hey, do you use rogaine?

  • Sparky

    Nope!

  • Sparky

    Nice try, Jeffy!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Yes, Sparkus, but I’m not arguing it, I’m simply quoting state and federal guidelines and the definition of “Captive Bolt”. Captive bolt is the only humane way of killing animals detailed in state and federal guidelines.

    Federal guidelines for a captive bolt are very detailed….down to the air compression that you should use, and the weight and diameter of the bolt in the gun. Yes, a captive bolt ( as legally defined by federal guidelines that you quoted like a Fucktardo) is not the same as an “open bolt”. A captive bolt is used at close range to reduce suffering. A “bolt” is never defined anywhere as humane…not even in the DA’s reference to humane guidelines.

    But look, I want you to stick with your original statement, because it will make you more famous, and makes you sound like less of a fucking retard. And most importantly, when we do release your petition, don’t even try and say we “misrepresented” you….you’ve been very, very clear on your ignorance.

    Kisses,

    Jeffy

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    I say just shave it. Don’t worry about it, and just shave it right down to skin, like Yule Brenner.

  • Sparky

    Isn’t that how you cut your little winky off?

  • Sparky

    You’re obtuse, Jeffy!

  • Sparky

    A grand jury or any jury is not going to obsess with such extreme technicality.
    You thought obsessing about this was a winning strategy.

  • Sparky

    People with your brain disorder love those technicalities!
    The technicalities of law and courts have little to do
    with what spergy people think that they do.

    Besides, Jeffy, the Grand Jury already spoke.
    You and your crowd don’t LIKE the legal process!
    Were you one of those who made death threats?
    I ask since you threatened me with DDOS attacks
    and other harassment.

    You supposedly got my IP address but then you
    didn’t like what you found and hemmed and hawed.
    You bragged about that proxy chasing.

    Then for some strange reason you thought you
    could delete those posts and it would all go away.

    WHY did you do that, Jeffy?

    You had to know it would do you no good to delete your bad acts.

    Did you figure out who I am yet, Jeffy?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    And tha is exactly why we need to include it in you petition! When I think of all those TNR kooks who have been so dead wrong on all of this, how misleading Amy was, how incorrect the federal guidelines for humane killing is…or how few people realize that in China they eat cats, and that what Lindsey did was far, far more humane than hitting a cat with car..this, Sparky, is why you are going to make you famous.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Instead of winky you should have used “dick” or at least “cock”….God is fine with you using those words, trust me.

  • Sparky

    You seem determined to use the most gutter epithets
    in reference to the male appendage.

    Semi humorous words like “pud” are not obscene enough for you.

    And you went riffing on this without answering the question.

    Do you take any ADHD meds?

  • Sparky

    Several times I have explained that for a cat to be
    killed outright by a car is one of the more humane
    ways that loose cats die, BUT that cats often get
    “clipped” by a car and limp into bushes to die slowly.
    A quick and complete kill by a car would be fairly humane.
    Being “clipped” by a car would mean a slow tortuous death.
    (THAT would be far worse than the bow and arrow death)

    According to ASPCA 1.4 MILLION cats are
    euthanized each year in the USA alone.

    You want to OBSESS about the death of one cat even
    though the legal system found no serious wrong.
    Many extremist cat lovers have posted death threats
    and many others have posted violent ideation.

    Not one of the extremist cat lovers have
    repudiated other extremist cat lovers for
    the threats or violent comments

    At least 4 discussion blogs were
    actually closed down and wiped
    due to threats and violent comments.

    Is it your intention Jeffy to extend this childish
    temper tantrum mentality by objecting to how the
    courts settled the matter?

    Do you often disrespect our legal process, Jeffy?

    Beating that dead horse would tend to work against
    most of the cat obsessed, particularly the TNR cultists.

    I have a constructive question for you.

    Can an animal shelter administer lethal injections
    without a licensed veterinarian?

    Shouldn’t a non-veterinarian be able to administer
    lethal injections to condemned animals?

    Couldn’t it be a conflict of interest for veterinarians
    to monopolize euthanasia injections?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Sparky, you replied 4 times…I only have time to read this one.

    Don’t worry about being misquoted. We have your original statements about being hit by a car, and attacked by Raccoons, and how Amy didn’t have pet sitting insurance and wasn’t a professional, etc, etc.

    I admire your commitment on this. That you come here and clarify your points tells us you are ready for the world to know how stupid they are all, and how smart you are! I admire your bravery!

  • Sparky

    Do you have ADHD Jeffy?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    You should have said, “do you FUCKING have ADHD”…God won’t mind. No, Jeffy have no ADHD, I just don’t have time for your retarded dipshittery, and writing with an economy of words is something you learn (or should have learned) in 5th grade.

    but on the upside..

    We found someone equally as evil as Kristen that she can date!!!!…http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/walter-palmer-cecil-the-lion-1.3170768 You can click this link, it’s safe.

  • Sparky

    You don’t ask basic questions and you keep changing the subject.
    Get checked for ADHD.

  • Sparky

    Why use such impotent language, Jeffy?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    just trying to help you better understand God and his will, Sparky.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Can you imagine what Lindsey and Palmers baby would look like? https://www.flickr.com/photos/zoomar/1245061780

  • Sparky
  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    DAMN you just made me hungry!

  • Sparky

    It’s cat food!

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Yuuuummmeee! That dipshit Newt Gingrichdouchebag tweeted that Palmer killing Cecil with a bow was inhumane….you should educate him about “bolts” and tell him about your petition!

    I bet Lindeys and Palmer are hiding together, worshiping Satan as I type. We should both pray for them tonight.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Fucktardo, have you gone Taliban and into hiding again? BOO! I don’t want you to think I’ve given up on you, on your petition. Fucktardo, all the hiding in the world can’t stop your brilliance from making you famous!

    Now get out of that cave you’re hiding in and post some more!!!

  • Sparky

    Are you desperate for attention?
    Don’t the normal people around you
    value your spergy pearls of wisdom?

    Isn’t it worth it to them to dig through your
    idiot stuff to get to your savant stuff, Jeffy?

    Pretending that posting to internet is “out”
    and doing real world activities is being
    in a cave? Extreme attempt at reversal of facts.
    The attempt gives away your brain disorder.

    I wonder how you explain your obsession with
    this cat issue since you claim you do not
    own a cat and claim to own 2 dogs.

    Just in it for the fight, Jeffy Makian?

    Well at least your primary diagnosis partly explains
    the subject of this blog about not letting it go…

    What are your comorbidities Jeff?
    Painfully hypersensitive to light, sound, smell, touch?
    ADHD or Schizophrenia?

    Are you going to fess up and be in the real world
    or do you imagine yourself stuck in the gaming world, Jeff?

    What was it about my IP address that scared you so?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Sparky! I’m glad you came out of hiding, but your message is too long.

    Just a little further, okay? Don’t cry, spazout, or go into hiding…we’re almost there!

    God Bless you, Sparky!

  • Sparky

    Too long? What’s your reading comprehension level?
    Or do you have ADHD that bad?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    It’s not me, Sparky, it’s you. You gotta say what you gotta say concisely. When you start to blither blather, it angers your reader.

    Did you compose the letter to Newt Gingrich yet about the bolts?

  • Sparky

    What I say angers the reader? Duh?
    If the reader is diametrically opposed or cult like, that is to be expected.

    Are you desperate for attention?
    Don’t the normal people around you
    value your spergy pearls of wisdom?

    Isn’t it worth it to them to dig through your
    idiot stuff to get to your savant stuff, Jeffy?

    Pretending that posting to internet is “out”
    and doing real world activities is being
    in a cave? Extreme attempt at reversal of facts.
    The attempt gives away your brain disorder.

    I wonder how you explain your obsession with
    this cat issue since you claim you do not
    own a cat and claim to own 2 dogs.

    Just in it for the fight, Jeffy Makian?

    Well at least your primary diagnosis partly explains
    the subject of this blog about not letting it go…

    What are your comorbidities Jeff?
    Painfully hypersensitive to light, sound, smell, touch?
    ADHD or Schizophrenia?

    Are you going to fess up and be in the real world
    or do you imagine yourself stuck in the gaming world, Jeff?

    What was it about my IP address that scared you so?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    yeah, basic grade school stuff….when you write inconcisely, and ramble without a point, the reader gets angry and doesn’t finish your dribble. I don’t mind teaching you to write, or teaching you About God.

    But hey, lets get back on topic. How much are you willing to bet that Palmer and Lindsey are hiding together, and performing Satanic sexual acts on each other right now? I bet he’s fucking her ass, and putting his dick in her mouth, ass to mouth, mouth to ass. God, those two are made for each other. Yuck, she’s gross…we need to pray for them.

  • Sparky

    Giving up completely on social skills?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Huh? Fucktardo? Since when is talking about the sexual exploits of satan’s minions a reflection of social skills? You know and I know Lindsey is in hiding, and so is Palmer….both like killing cats inhumanely, both are monsters, Palmer raped a woman….you know these two are together in hiding. Why is the truth of them fucking each other filthy dirty and anally so upsetting to you? Ahhhhhhh, I get it…you’re jealous. The thought of Palmer fisting Kristen and using his baby batter to plaster her eyes closed forces your balls back into your cunt!

    Better question, why haven’t you contacted Newt Gingrich about his grossly under-educated statements about “bolts” and the inhumanity of using one to kill a lion? Fucktardo, these crazy cat kooks sent a on-line petition to the White House, and guess what? The White has MUST respond. Think of the response your brilliant petition will get!!!!

  • Sparky

    Rationality and the real world perplex you don’t they Jeff?

    Father “Spergie” Makian (AKA Jeff Makian) wrote:
    Huh? Fucktardo? Since when is talking about the sexual exploits of satan’s minions a reflection of social skills? You know and I know Lindsey is in hiding, and so is Palmer….both like killing cats inhumanely, both are monsters, Palmer raped a woman….you know these two are together in hiding. Why is the truth of them fucking each other filthy dirty and anally so upsetting to you? Ahhhhhhh, I get it…you’re jealous. The thought of Palmer fisting Kristen and using his baby batter to plaster her eyes closed forces your balls back into your cunt!

    Better question, why haven’t you contacted Newt Gingrich about his grossly under-educated statements about “bolts” and the inhumanity of using one to kill a lion? Fucktardo, these crazy cat kooks sent a on-line petition to the White House, and guess what? The White has MUST respond. Think of the response your brilliant petition will get!!!! 8:40 p.m., Sunday Aug. 2

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Sparky, I can tell this is very personal for you. But you have to let her go. If she wants to hide with someone more of her “kind”, there is nothing you can do. The heart wants what the heart wants. You’re on the “Ned Flanders” side, she’s more into torture.

    If the thought of her getting her twitchy fisted by Palmer while covering herself in ritualistic cat blood before letting Palmer splat her face with his love butter has you this upset, you have a problem. Look, I’m 14 years older than you, and I’ve broken more hearts in my time than I can remember. The best thing for you now is to throw yourself into something productive…you need to read the Bible today, and get some God. You reading filth on the internet and letting it arouse you isn’t productive.

    Kristen ruined her life, she made the mistake of exposing her true nature and showing the world that nature – and God decided to teach her a lesson. Sparky, a person like this isn’t worth your love….what kind of future would you two have together? A person like her who hates God isn’t for you.

  • Sparky

    Hey I got one of the TNR kooks to argue against the
    CDC recommendations on rabies vaccination.
    She used a web page owned by Dr. Joseph Mercola!
    He’s one of those quack doctors selling homeopathic
    cures and arguing against hard medicine.
    Like rabies shots?????

    Could you imagine the law suits for the TNR kooks
    if somebody gets rabies from a TNR cat because
    they thought they knew BETTER than the CDC?

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Yup, I’m putting this point in you petition.

    But let’s get back to your heart, and the fisting and anal sexing Palmer is dishing out to that filthy Godforasken monster, Kristen. You know once a woman gets all three holes plugged, they are never the same, right? Freakin nasty, what a shit job her parents did, eh? Pray for them.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Hey Fucktardo, have you gone Taliban cave hiding again? I’ve got a plan to help you with this TNR retard, a way for you to stick it to them in real life!

    But I can’t help you if you are too scared to come out from hiding..also, we are in the final editing stages of your petition, so we really need you to stop hiding.

    TIA

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Fucktardo, it’s a shame you’ve gone back into hiding again. I’ve listened to your logic about bolts, and hitting cats with cars, and raccoons, and your un-documented proof that Tiger’s owners abandon him and all your other reasons why torturing a cat the way Kristen did was okay, and I gotta say, the world needs to hear how intelligent you are.

    You hide as long as you need to. Once the Palmer thing dies down, we’ll post the petition you wanted, and you can bask in your new found fame!

  • Sparky

    Surely there are better avenues on the internet for you to promote your strange sexual obsessions.

  • Father “Spergie” Makian

    Huh? Lindsey is the evil monster. I’m not into satanic sex! How is it going with that retarded Tnr kook?