On #WacoThugs, Biker Gangs, and White-on-White Crime

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The scene in Waco on Sunday was like something off a TV show. Broad daylight shoot-outs between rival gangs that leave nine dead and eighteen others hospitalized rarely happen in Texas strip malls, but the biker-themed event at the Twin Peaks restaurant turned out to be every bit as horrifying as an episode of Sons of Anarchy

There’s plenty of blame being cast, and plenty to go around—from the bikers whose fight turned deadly to the restaurant that refused calls from police to cancel the event, which reports say was being used by several rival gangs to recruit new members—and in the days to come, we’ll presumably learn more.

Those who are interested in the history—recent and otherwise—of outlaw biker gangs in Texas would do well to read Skip Hollandsworth’s 2007 profile of the Bandidos, one of the two gangs identified by law enforcement as being involved in the gunfight in Waco. But when it comes to discussing the events that occurred outside Twin Peaks, there’s another entity that isn’t getting off the hook: namely, the media and police culture, which, it’s being argued, treat incidents of violent crime committed by white people very differently than they do incidents of violence involving black people. 

On Twitter, much of this was explored using the hashtag #WacoThugs, where cultural commentators and critics including some of the sharpest working today, like Ta-Nehisi Coates, saw an opportunity to consider how the playbook for a violent incident involving white bikers diverges from the one that the media and police use when the violence involves people whose skin tones are darker.















The frustration of people who see unfair treatment in how police and media are reacting to Waco is palpable. It’s also probably not an apples-to-apples situation: a small Texas city whose metro area is roughly one tenth the size of St. Louis’s or Baltimore’s is probably likely to have different reactions from law enforcement, while gang fights are a generally unusual circumstance. But the very fact that we’re inclined to talk in terms of nuance, when discussing violent crime that involves white people, is part of the point that Coates and others on Twitter were making. 

The idea that it’s “special treatment” to “not be shot by police for looking violent” is something one could argue with—the police are supposed to use great restraint in those situations—but making that argument misses the point. In a country where, among black citizens, having potentially stolen cigars from a corner store can leave a person dead on the sidewalk, or where playing with a toy gun can result in the immediate shooting of a twelve-year-old boy, or where a person who was able to walk when taken into police custody can be dead of a severed spinal cord by the time the ride in the van is finished, the mere fact that a massive shoot-out in a strip mall could end with police and bikers on peaceful terms does look like special treatment.

The tweets on the #WacoThugs hashtag may flatten the details of the situation that occurred, but the larger point is that the details in many violent encounters that involve police get flattened and twisted to serve an agenda. Whether the details are flattened to justify a week-long curfew, mass arrests, and the presence of riot police or to make a point about how a calm police presence is notable when the perpetrators of violence are white, the result is that we’re not really talking about the specific situation at all—we’re using it to make a point about how the facts get distorted.

That’s something else that’s in sharp relief in Waco right now. When, for example, the shooting in Garland occurred earlier this month, CNN interviewed leaders at mosques for reactions; after the funeral for Freddie Gray in Baltimore, the media sought statements from Martin Luther King’s surviving family to assess what his reaction might be to the protests. When violence is committed by people who aren’t white, their actions are treated as representative of their entire communities. That’s something that anybody with a 101-level understanding of race and media in America understands, but it’s also something that the shoot-out at the Twin Peaks in Waco perfectly encapsulates. There is no question about what the incident in Waco says about white people, or whether white leaders need to be more vocal in urging white people away from violence. No one questions whether white culture is partly to blame, or whether white leaders of the past would be disappointed in the situation.

Those sentiments are fairly absurd to express, in fact. Nothing ever says anything about “white people,” and “white culture” is a ridiculous concept to attempt to articulate; how Ronald Reagan or John Lennon might feel about the shoot-out in Waco is an utter non-sequitur. 

All of which makes the media reaction to Waco a fascinating mirror to hold up to the media reactions in other situations. Positing hypotheticals is rarely particularly useful, but it’s nonetheless difficult to imagine that if a shoot-out involving dozens of young black men that ended with nearly thirty casualties had happened in a strip mall in Waco, it would be perceived as an isolated incident involving only the people who drew their guns—or that police would be chatting and friendly with people in the area in gang attire afterward. 

In other words, the details captured in the tweets about the #WacoThugs or about the need to #StopWhiteOnWhiteCrime may miss the nuance of the situation—indeed, they may not be all that pertinent to the situation in Waco at all—but that’s far from a flaw. It’s kind of the whole point.

(Photograph by Rod Aydelotte/Waco Tribune Herald via AP)

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  • OldBlindBob

    The tweets re-posted are either non-sequiturs or plainly stupid. This was a big gang fight. It commanded national news. Most stories talked about biker gang culture. In fact, it got more coverage that most black-on-black (or even black-on-white) youth riots in places like Philly. It’s likely that some police killed some of the gang fighters. But white people haven’t rioted and looted the Home Goods in protest. The author is trying to create a story that isn’t there.

    • Keith King

      Yep, “Blind” is the perfect description, Old Bob. Thank you for living up to the moniker.

      • OldBlindBob

        You’re welcome. Your moniker initials are short a ‘K’.

    • Nick Washington

      No, white people just loot and destroy things when they lose a game. This is indicative of white culture. When you do stuff, you want a pass. When other races or cultures do stuff, they are condemned. This shows that white people are a violent, lawless people, that will kill over a parking space!

      • KathyfromAustin

        You’re kidding, right? Do you sincerely believe that “white folks” lay in wait for black victims to overreact?

        What was looted in Waco? Nothing. Businesses destroyed? None. Burned down? Zip. There was no expectation of that. I guess there was the condemned element there. But is was between particular antagonists and never affected the greater community. No looting, no parades and clutching of pearls.

        WPD handled business and there was no faux grievance mongering that encouraged those *not even involved * to express the grievance of their great great grandparents 5 times removed.

        Just because.

        • doggril

          Wait. So, these were genuine thugs, belonging to genuine gangs, committing genuine murders and making genuine threats to cops–but it’s all good because no one walked off with a big screen teevee in the confusion?
          Are you serious?

          • KathyfromAustin

            Nope. The citizens of Waco treated it as it was: an isolated incident that law enforcement could capably handle. There was no need to burn and destroy businesses or loot. It was just dealt with. Professionally, I might add.

          • doggril

            So a situation where 9 people ended up dying was “an isolated incident” that was “just dealt with” while another situation where no one died was much more disturbing to you.
            Um, okay then.

          • dtechba

            Look up the definition of isolated incident as you clearly don’t know what it means. 9/11 was an isolated incident as there has not been any other incidents of passenger jets flown into skyscrapers. Yet, over 3000 died. The death toll is immaterial to the term isolated incident….

          • Corbin Supak

            Kathy, that’s the point. When it’s handled capably, and when it’s not. Do you see the difference? In how things are dealt with? When does protest begin? Why?

          • M. N.

            Corbin it’s also about how the perps respond and you don’t see Black and Mexican gangs sticking around for processing. And, when they retaliate, it usually involves innocent victims.

          • Corbin Supak

            You’re talking about gangs and violent sociopaths. Of course. But the whole point of this is the radical police response to people of color who are not ‘perps’ at all, simply because their Otherness produces anxiety. That reaction, that response, is the outrage. I ask you to see Waco as normal, proper, as you do and should, but then – please – ask why Ferguson, Staten Island, Baltimore, S. Carolina, Beaver Creek and Sanford look as they do?

          • M. N.

            If I’m missing your point, tell me, but I’m not even sure how you can try to draw an inequity in treatment when those same communities physically attack the police – big difference in how these gangs and those gangs/thugs respond to police. These gangs, although wrong, seem to have some respect for law and not targeting innocent people. I see what happened in Waco as a product of good police intelligence on gang activity/reactions. You’d never see many other gangs that just sit around and wait for processing, it is a totally different order of criminal gang activity. Neither are right and some require heavier intervention to protect the public and police.

          • Corbin Supak

            Yes, I’m not sure what you’re comparing. A child in Ferguson was killed for no reason, and the officers acquitted. He was not a gang/thug, he was a kid going to college the next year. Because of this injustice, his community was wounded and angry, seeing the old story play out one more time. Powerless, desperate for justice. Knowing this, the police donned their armor, rather than grieve. There was no human connection, and there is still none. And so many out-of-tune folks ask this community ‘what’s wrong with your race’s attitude?’ It’s an incredibly stupid, offensive question. — So when you have stuff like the bikers, and there’s no stupid questions like ‘what’s wrong with your race’s attitude?’, it should reveal something about your reaction to Ferguson. That’s the point. Best wishes.

          • Lacrimo

            Not a thug? A kid? Going to college next year? ….. Did you follow that trial at all? First off he was 18 years old, not a kid. Secondly, he strong armed a store owner in the process of stealing a box of cigars. Last but definitely not least, the autopsy reports, and all of the evidence shows that he was in fact attacking Officer Wilson when he was shot. You want to argue your point, fine. But you may want to find a better martyr. Michael Brown was not a child, and the evidence and autopsy reports prove he was not “innocent”.

          • Corbin Supak

            I did follow it, much of what I read contradicts what you’re saying. Bottom-line, he’s unarmed, confronted, and killed, like every other story I mentioned before. Thus, the outrage. But who cares – this is not about Michael Brown, it’s about us (police, journalist, me, you) and our behavior. It’s about our reactions, thinking, and way of seeing.

          • Cornhusker

            I would have shot Michael Brown if he came after me, just as I would have shot the motorcycle thugs.

          • Kevin Schmidt

            But Michael Brown was shot while running in fear for his life from a murdering cop thug.

          • Cornhusker

            He could have ran faster, but he was probably out of breath from smoking those stolen cigars…

          • Kevin Schmidt

            Actually, he did not steal any cigars. The video proved it.
            Even if he did, that is no reason to be shot in the back and murdered by a cop.

          • Cornhusker

            The video proved he roughed up the store clerk…

            …and he wasn’t shot in the back and he attacked the cop. Here is a cut and paste from the autopsy report:

            “With regard to the wounds on the torso and head, there were no wounds from the back”

          • BobFromDistrict9

            The video proved nothing at all about Brown

            Some areas of the body did not have wounds from the back.

            Read what you cut and paste.

          • Cornhusker

            How did Brown get the powder burns if he were running away?

          • BobFromDistrict9

            The powder burns were on his hands. No one said he was running away when he got that wound.

          • Nick Washington

            Some things are too stupid to reply to.

          • Jared

            Okay I agree here. No way he was smoking tobacco.

          • Bill-D

            Liar. Black Liar.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            Then you will have to prove he came after you. Oh, yeah, he was black so he must be guilty.

          • melchior42

            No, you are looking at this wrong. The fact that he was belligerent, robbing the store and assualting the police office should be a major part of the narrative. You can’t do those things in a civl soceity and not expect serious consequences. His death is trully unfortunate, but he did in part bring this upon hismself. A realitistic solution should not focus soley on the police in reasessing their methods, but also on the youth of inner cities in learning to be more cooporative with police and to curb belligerent behaviour which might get them hurt or killed.

          • Corbin Supak

            Well, let’s look at the gentleman in S. Carolina, then. You can watch video of an unarmed black man shot and killed by a policeman while fleeing in the opposite direction. You can be killed for shopping for air rifles at Walmart, if you’re black. You can be dragged to death behind an automobile in east texas. You can have your spine broken and die in Baltimore. You can be murdered for wearing a hoodie in Florida. And in all cases – acquittal. In all cases, YOU’s think ‘brought upon self… should be more cooperative… belligerent.” So yes – it’s about YOU’s.

          • dtechba

            Of course, the facts that all of this happens to white perps too does nothing to alleviate your false victimization.

          • Jared

            The fact that it happens to white people more often than black doesn’t penetrate the haze of their victim hood either.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            Does it? Give a source.

          • Jared

            FBI statistics. This is not hidden information, look it up.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            It’s your claim, back it up.

          • Jared

            I just told you where to find the information. You choose to remain ignorant. That’s on you.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            I have been looking at FBI stats on crime for decades. I now damn well that there are so many and it takes a lot of time to go through them that I’m not wasting my time proving your point.

            If you have the stats give the link. If you don’t, just admit it.

            There are 6 times as many white people in this country as black. So twice as often is disproportionate by 3 to 1. Which is why black people are more at risk than white.

            So, do some real research and give your source.

          • Jared

            The FBI has statistics on white one black and black on white crimes. Using total population numbers with those crime stats you will see blacks commit crimes against whites at a MUCH higher rate than vice versa. I can explain it to you but I cannot understand it for you.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            Oh man, you just had to play the race card that way. It was your claim that being killed by a cop while unarmed, and even running away, happened more often to white people than black that we were discussing. Track back in the line.

            Now you had to go that way with it.

            I understand it, you don’t. Even what you claimed is just more spewing. How about this, black people are more at risk of being a victim of a serious crime by a white person that white people are at risk of being a victim of a serious crime by black people.

            I use the term serious because the FBI stats on that really are not very good. I have the DOJ stats from Criminal Victimization in the United States, which broke it down quite clearly. The stopped being published in 2012, and the last ones they collected were 2008, but the 2002-2003 stats were quite clear, and published under bush, and I did an analysis of those long ago in an argument just like this. So I still have that.

            The FBI stats that are good are the murder stats, probably because dead bodies have to be accounted for. So I have those from recent reports. My statement is true for the recent FBI stats also.

          • Jared

            No, black people commit far more crimes against white people than vice versa, exponentially more when you look at population numbers of each race. Facts matter, racist. “2002-2003” LOL, FBI stats are from the same data collection and from within a decade ago. Again, facts matter.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            “No, black people commit far more crimes against white people than vice versa,”

            Reread what I wrote. What I wrote did NOT contest your line above.

            Yes, facts matter, racist.

            FBI stats are gathered from voluntarily reported police records. If some chose not to report the FBI doesn’t get the stats.

            The DOJ reports were done by the DOJ, who surveyed the population, and did not depend on local police who may or may not report.

            That is why I prefer the DOJ CVIUS reports, for the years they were published.

            The FBI reports are much harder to find for the specific areas of interest. Murder is the only one easy to find.

            I use 2002-2003 because I’ve already done the analysis. That and the quality of the reports went down for later years in some areas.

          • nixonlives

            Yes, black people are bad and white people are good. Even Jesus said so, haven’t you read the Bible? Trump has! It’s his favorite book. Obviously Jared here knows the score, right Jared? Black people are the THUGS, not WHITE People like the guy who killed that police officer in Louisiana recently, or Dylan Roof, or the Movie Theater shooters.

          • Jared

            Facts are facts. You simply created that extremist crap in your response here on your own. I never expressed any such opinion. And Jesus was black.

          • nixonlives

            You don’t really belong here, do you? No. Ask Trump, ask ANYONE-The White Race is becoming more and more irrelevant across the globe. JESUS WAS BLACK??? Oh my GOD! What kind of Kenyan Tyranny is this? Where’s you go to Sunday School-at Obummer’s church? Why don’t you, Jared (not the best moniker these days, huh?) just continue to bed down with blacks and Mexicans and Orientals and Midgets and leave us regular God fearing Christian White Folks alone?

          • Jared

            I urge you to read through my comments on other topics. Just based on the location and races at the time, Jesus was probably dark skinned. Does it read matter how much melanin he had in him? Maybe you should leave discussions of Christianity to us actual Christians. Like I said, maybe read through my comments before accusing me of being a liberal.

          • Nick Washington

            WHEN?! SHOW numbers and statistical evidence, don’t just pull something out if your ass!

          • Jared

            Don’t be lazy and ignorant. You need to do your own research, Isaiah.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            Stop being so lazy and ignorant. You need to back up your claims.

          • Jared

            I’m relaying facts. You claim they are not true. Thanks for playing.

          • Jared

            Start your search with FBI statistics.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            I’ll google the FBI stats on crimes committed by Martians and see what they say.

          • Jared

            Whatever it takes to keep your head up your ass. 🙂

          • BobFromDistrict9

            Does it? Give a source.

            The guy at Walmart was legally carrying a gun out in the open and threatening no one.

          • Jared

            That is what these fools want to ignore, the wrong doing on the black perps side.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            What fools want to do is pretend every unarmed black man had committed a capital offense.

          • Jared

            Attacking other people comes with he possibility of a deadly response. Even for black people.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            It comes with the possibility of a deadly response for unarmed black people, apparently more so than armed white people.

            Running away from other people comes with the possibility of a deadly response for black people.

            Not attacking other people comes with the possibility of a deadly response for black people.

            Just telling off other people comes with the possibility of a deadly response for black people.

            Just walking home in a new neighborhood comes with the possibility of a deadly response for black people.

            Just not kissing up to other people comes with the possibility of a deadly response for black people.

            When do you get around to considering the factor of a death penalty offense has specific characteristics. It should be a bit more than “I was afraid”.

          • Nick Washington

            So, if I am pushed by a white person, it is w/in my rights to kill him, and have no consequences? I can get with that!

          • Nick Washington

            That last comment is to show the absurdity of YOUR comments.

          • Jared

            You just replied to yourself, troll. LOL

          • Jared

            If a white person tries to assault you you have every right to use deadly force to stop the attack. I encourage you to do some research before asking such ignorant questions.

          • Nick Washington

            So, everything is right on the white people side, right. Same behavior, two different out comes, yet only one side is ALWAYS excused!

          • Jared

            Maybe you should start looking at it from a legal perspective rather than the racial lense you seem to prefer. Facts matter.

          • Nick Washington

            So, when we are talking about white people, “look at it from a legal perspective”? I am. According TO YOUR LOGIC, legally if I am pushed or brushed (as in the video,”manhandled”) by a white person, which is legally speaking, assault, it is within my rights to kill them. Facts matter only when blacks are involved. When whites are involved, only excuses matter. As I said before, when white kids start getting killed for the same offenses as black kids, THAT is when your perspective will change. As for now you will only keep looking at black kids as less than human.

          • Jared

            Your only argument is against an opinion never expressed by me. It is clear you are too dumb to hold a conversation.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            And you should not continue the diversion to Brown.

            Above all else, it’s the incompetence of the investigation and the prosecuting attorney that caused all the problems.

          • Jared

            No, it was the massive amount of liars claiming to be witnesses. The forensic evidence weeded them out and the grand jury saw what everyone else saw, a 6’3, 292lb violent criminal strong arm robbed a store and attacked a cop and ended up dead. Facts matter.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            Other than the fact that Wilson did not know anything about the use of force at the store, nor was the video clear enough to prove anything, there is also the fact that no one has said they saw Brown attack Wilson.

          • Jared

            Not clear enough? HIS OWN MOTHER identified him in the video. Haha, forensic evidence matched the testimony of only the witnesses that painted Brown as the aggressor. Facts matter.

          • Nick Washington

            So according to you, shoplifting or theft deserves death. That is the gist of all of your posts.

          • Jared

            Strong arm robbery deserves police attention. Attacking a cop deserves death.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            That line about his own mother identified him is one of the lies I am tired of. Give a source. Don’t tell me to look it up, I did when others presented that. It was a lie then, I see no reason is isn’t a lie now.

          • Jared

            Hahahaha, facts are tough, but his own mother identified him. Sorry.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            There was no evidence whatsoever that shows who was the aggressor. There is no testimony whatsoever as to who was the aggressor at the car.

            Most of the people who said he was going towards Wilson said he was walking, not charging. There is no forensic evidence to challenge that.

            Show what witnesses you are relying on.

          • Jared

            Lies. Dude I’m not going to rehash the entire trial for you simply because you dislike the facts. LOL

          • Nick Washington

            So, every time a white kid steals or shoplifts something, it is ok to kill them, right? That is robbery also. Ooh, especially little white shoplifting girls! And don’t try to lie and say it doesn’t happen.

          • Jared

            Little white shoplifting girls aren’t guilty of strong arm robbery. You seem very ignorant of the law. Well, in general too.

          • Nick Washington

            See, THERE goes the excuses! Are not both of them THEFT?

          • Jared

            Are you really so dumb as to not know the legal definitions of crimes and yet you’re still arguing? Hahahahahaha

          • BobFromDistrict9

            The liars were on both sides.

            The grand jury is not supposed to see those the prosecutor knows are liars. That is part of the fog the prosecutor threw up to get a No Bill.

          • Jared

            Yep. And liars on both sides were exposed by forensic evidence. Evidence that cleared Wilson.

          • dtechba

            Nothing factual contradicts the findings of the Michael Brown grand jury. Of course, with little effort you can find something that contradicts anything; 9/11, the Holocaust you name it. The feeble minded believe it too. BTW Michael Brown was not registered for college, that was a myth told by the same people telling the hands up don’t shoot myth.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            A grand jury makes a finding on one thing only. Did the prosecutor present enough evidence to go to trial.

            So, it was the prosecutor who failed.

          • Edward McKinney Shipp

            Michael Brown will be the first person George Zimmerman meets in Hell.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            Wilson will follow eventually.

          • Edward McKinney Shipp

            If he does, protecting the people justifiably shooting Michael Brown won’t be why.

          • Nick Washington

            Apparently you are a jokester.

          • Jared

            Apparently you are a troll.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            Since he has not been shown to have justifiably shot Brown, my view is more likely. Firing Wilson from the police dept is protecting the people.

          • tj1tj

            get off your knees.
            I know you’re tired from licking cop boots.

          • Lacrimo

            Another ignorant fool.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            We’ve been over this a hundred times, and it’s getting old.

            The video from the store is so bad you could never get a conviction on that.

            The cop did not know anything but that someone had stolen some cigars. Brown was holding some cigars. So Brown must be guilty. Walking while black.

            No evidence, including the autopsy report, show that Brown attacked the officer or tried to take his gun. His hand was shot at the car, and that does NOT require Brown to attack Wilson.

            Brown didn’t have to be a child, or a saint, just not guilty of a capital offense.

            The autopsy reports do not prove a single thing about his guilt.

          • Lacrimo

            Video evidence clearly showed Michael Brown in the act. Convictions have been made with less evidence. Darren Wilson had spoken to the police that took that call and had a description of the suspects. Evidence and multiple eye witness accounts corroborate Wilson’s account of Michael Brown reaching into the vehicle as a scuffle was occurring and the round that hit his hand happened inside the vehicle. The autopsy report shows the angle of the bullet wounds are more on par with Wilson’s account than that of the eye witnesses who are claiming he had his hands up. Those same eye witness were also found to have given false information to the police committing perjury in the process. You can continue to believe whatever you choose, I on the other hand prefer to believe the evidence. Whatever you choose to believe the point still stands, Michael Brown’s actions led the police to him in the first place.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            I have seen the video. It’s pretty lousy.

            Wilson’s only exchange with the officer who took the call was to ask if his help was needed. A very short time later the officer said the suspects had disappeared.

            No eye witness accounts corroborate the story that Brown reached into the vehicle. They say there was a struggle, and one said both Brown and Wilson were holding on to the other by the shirt, but no one reports seeing him reach in.

            The autopsy report does NOT say he didn’t have his hands up at some time while Wilson was shooting. It only shows all but one bullet had to have come from the front, one could have come from either direction. Wounds to the body do NOT mean his hands weren’t up.

            It is not perjury to give false information to the police. And witnesses who supported Wilson also gave false information, or information that conflicted with Wilson. He said Brown and Johnson were on the sidewalk. Yet he was the witness the officials cited when Wilson wasn’t indicted.

            You can continue to believe whatever you choose, I on the other hand prefer to believe the evidence. And the evidence is that there is no way to know from the evidence what happened for sure. What is also certain is the prosecutor conducted an incompetent grand jury proceeding, unless his intention was to blow the case, then he did very well indeed.

            What also appears to be certain is, Wilson, guilty or not, was incompetent. He should never be allowed to be a cop again.

          • Jared

            HIS OWN MOTHER IDENTIFIED HIM IN THE SECURITY VIDEO.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            Give a link to that. I have never had anyone else claim that, and that is reason enough not to believe it.

          • Edward McKinney Shipp

            Amen to that. The families of the Grays, the Garners, the Trayvons – the REAL victims of injustice – should bring defamation suits against all the hatemongers who lowered their loved ones to Michael Brown’s level.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            The autopsy report shows nothing at all about what he was doing when he was shot, other than facing Wilson for 5 out of the 6 wounds.

            He did not steal a box of cigars. The fact that you got that wrong explains why you don’t realize he was not identified as the person who robbed the store.

            The evidence shows he had a struggle with Wilson, none shows he attacked.

          • Jared

            He had zero wounds in his back. Facts matter.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            Yes, facts matter.

            “in his back”.

            He had three or four wounds in his arm. Can’t recall for sure, but pretty sure it was 4.

            For one of the wounds “IN HIS ARM” they were not able to determine the direction of the source of the bullet. That applies to every autopsy report I have seen.

          • Jared

            Front of his arm. Facts matter.

          • Nick Washington

            FIRST IF ALL, the video CLEARLY shows that he paid for the stuff that he was,supposed to have stole! SECOND OF ALL, why is it that when a young WHITE MALE commits murder, the first thing that you all say is that he was a “misunderstood kid” though he may MURDER many innocent people. Why is it that in most of your minds, there is such a difference in the two?

          • Jared

            Hahahahahahaha

          • M. N.

            I’m going to try a different perspective.

            First, he was not a child, I refer to my children of that age as young adults whom are accountable individually for their actions.

            Second, he just mugged a store owner and robbed him. Definition of Thug: a violent person, especially a criminal. Gangsta like behavior: http://www.inquisitr.com/1413898/michael-browns-gang-signs-photos-make-him-a-thug-like-trayvon-martin-claim-ferguson-riot-critics/

            Third, it wasn’t for just no reason – witnesses have time and time again stated that he was trying to come back at the officer and there was credible evidence that the young man brought assault of an officer to the table.

            Fourth, he was destined to be a kid not going to college or one kicked out because of his actions. That sort of behavior wouldn’t go over so well in a college… Either way, the crime that started this was enough to curtail college, because of the jail time.

            Fifth, because of the justice, concern for and right of the officer to stop a community threat before he becomes a bigger threat, the political and media hacks ignited an firestorm false agenda before the legal system had the opportunity to vet all information . The community defended a wrong, destroyed businesses/property of innocent people, and perpetuated their problems by remaining ignorant of the law and a mutual respect.

            The biker’s were wrong to host their little meeting in a public area, but they were focused on a grievance with one another – not on harming bystanders or destroying property. Ferguson protesters on the other hand, were hell bent on destroying anything they had the energy to destroy regardless of who it harmed and what was destroyed. Seems to me that police understand these differences quite well. If they hadn’t interrupted the gang, they would have continued to kill one another – whereas Ferguson would have continue to burn down the town and loot. Very different cases. We saw what happened in Baltimore when the mayor gave the room for destructive protests…

            We can agree to disagree, I don’t agree with any of the behavior, but I can see how and why the responses were different.

          • Nick Washington

            OBVIOUSLY you have NEVER been 5 college. Either that or you are quite possibly the biggest hypocrite known to mankind! Just realized that you can not reach someone that already have their minds made up, it is an exercise in futility and a complete waste of time.

          • M. N.

            I just stated the exact opposite but inserted facts, not the crap leftist nut jobs are injecting. And you think I have problems… Hope you get the justice you deserve, from one of your own, because it’s more likely to happen that way… I did graduate from college with honors…your point is??? My advice, seek professional help.

          • Nick Washington

            There is no one nuttier than eight wingers. Must be some ting in the water. You actually believe your lies! That makes you psychopaths!

          • YuBlAmEwHiTeY!

            We know you have your Mind made up, to be just as Racist and Biased as the White people Your spending your time Ranting about.

          • YuBlAmEwHiTeY!

            Also I believe its “To” College

          • BobFromDistrict9

            “Second, he just mugged a store owner and robbed him.”

            False.

            “witnesses have time and time again stated that he was trying to come back at the officer”

            What they disagree on is whether he was charging or walking.

            ” Either way, the crime that started this was enough to curtail college, because of the jail time.”

            Shoplifting is a misdemeanor most places I know of. Pushing the store owner out of the way isn’t likely to make it a felony.

            ” concern for and right of the officer to stop a community threat before he becomes a bigger threat,”

            Since when does any officer have the right to pre-emptively kill a future threat?

            ” Ferguson protesters on the other hand, were hell bent on destroying anything they had the energy to destroy”

            Ferguson protesters didn’t destroy anything. Looters were another matter. Why were the cops pointing rifles at people who were not doing anything bad and letting the looters run free?

            “We saw what happened in Baltimore when the mayor gave the room for destructive protests.”

            We saw, in Baltimore, what happens when trying to protect innocent people creates an opportunity for others to commit looting.

          • Nick Washington

            Bullshit on him mugging a store owner. THIS is what whites do…they start lying about everything.

          • Jared

            LOL, yeah! Video evidence means nothing! His own mother identifying him means nothing! White devil lies!

          • Cornhusker

            Wait, you are saying “a child” was killed in Ferguson? Here I thought it was a thug who just committed a strong arm robbery…
            …and that’s the big difference here. Some racial groups aren’t so eager to claim dead criminals as their own and dismiss the deeds that brought them to a no good end as inconsequential.

          • DeShawn Allen Hunter

            Case in point: how many whites looted stores in the name of a dead white criminal? The problem is that blacks IDENTIFY with the criminals.

          • Nick Washington

            We dont identify with the criminals. We hate a system that is rigged against us. We hate terrified people that only destroy.

          • Jared

            You identify as victim. It’s your excuse for every failure.

          • Jared

            You put up monuments to dead criminals. Facts are facts.

          • Nick Washington

            There is your problem! You tried to think!

          • Jared

            You might try it sometime.

          • Jared

            A child? LOL a 292 lb 18 year old violent criminal was killed, not a child.

          • Nick Washington

            But yet, these skinny little white kids are committing acts of mass murder, and that is okay with you.

          • Jared

            Oh it is okay with me? Since when? When the only argument you have is against one that no one else made you have nothing. Thanks for playing, nick.

          • Bill-D

            What “child” are you talking about? You stupid bitch. The facts are out there and you still believe and spread your lies. If all you can do is lie, get the h3ll back to your hood. Filth.

          • patcos

            They are calmly sitting around for processing because they aren’t face down on the pavement with jackboots on their necks.
            they aren’t worried about extreme bodily harm or death while in police custody. They know their constitutional rights will not be violated. Just sayin’.

          • M. N.

            Again, making a judgement before knowing all the facts. Media wouldn’t be allowed into this area during the altercation or until it was secured, so to assume that no one got thrown to the ground or forced into compliance is rather ridiculous.

          • patcos

            I guess you got the facts covered, huh? Actually, unless you were an eyewitness and were on the ground there with the people of law enforcement from day one, you don’t know anything more than I do. Your opinion does not constitute “all the facts.” How ridiculous to think it does.

          • M. N.

            No I don’t but you’re assuming that the pictures that we’ve seen are the entire story – I’m saying that I know it’s not because you don’t see any with them fighting… Logical conclusion I’d say.

          • TAL_E_BANNED

            Police are now saying some of the bikers may have been shot and possibly killed by the police. So maybe they were sitting calmly because they were worried that the police would cause them extreme bodily harm or death.

          • Dee Ann Kennemer McFalls

            I actually saw several pictures of these bikers laying face down on the ground, with there hands in cuffs behind them…

          • bill

            or they have been searched and stripped of their weapons and just witnessed officers shoot their buddies and don’t feel like getting shot today.

          • melchior42

            Exactly. The Biker gangs seemed to comport themselves well when dealing with the police. They were not cursing and charging them or throwing bricks. Of course that is going to determine how police respond.

          • Walker62

            LMAO, comport and BIKER gang should not be used in the same sentence! And lets see NINE GANG members dead and dozens wounded, yea THAT’s characteristic of good BANDIDO cooperation!

          • melchior42

            But the intent of motorcycle gangs was to attack each other, the intent of rioters in Baltimore was to destroy and loot everywhere and to attack cops. Besides if you looked at the photos of the gang members on CNN you will see a good many of them were Mexicans. But of course this fact gets left out out as it doesnt jibe with your racial oppresion narrative.

          • Corbin Supak

            You’re confusing actions. In Baltimore, there was no crime. In Waco, there was a gangfight. The riots came later, they are not the crime. The riots are a statement about what it means to be killed for no crime, for hundreds of years.

          • DeShawn Allen Hunter

            It’s just like with mainstream crime statistics. When mestizos commit crime, it is counted as white crime. And the MSM referred to Zimmerman–who has a black grandmother and is a fat brown fuck–as a “white male,” and later as a “white Hispanic.” The author is being similarly duplicitous here when he calls mestizo bikers an example of “white-on-white violence.” But the biggest hypocrite in the article is Ta-Nehisi Coates, who himself writes about how unpleasant it was to grow up a smart, bookish kid among black left-tail-of-the-bellcurve hoodrats. Coates has no similarly concrete examples of WHITES mistreating him.

          • Nick Washington

            Oh, how stupid can you be?! Every time a white person crossed the street when he was walking, every time he was followed in a store while shopping because they thought he was a shoplifter, these are examples of whites mistreating a whole race of people!

          • Jared

            You seem to be pretty damn stupid yourself.

          • Nick Washington

            How can you tell what the intent of the PROTESTERS were? Or are you just making an assumption and jumping to a conclusion bases on your vast knowledge of black people?

          • melchior42

            We saw what the protesters did, didn’t we?? Speaking of jumping to conclusions..your assumption about my racial make-up is hilarious!

          • Jared

            Other than what they scream and write on signs? Haha

          • esmensetoo

            Professionally? Or cowardly? The Waco police now say they fear retaliation, including deadly threats to their families. That sounds more intimidated than capable. And it certainly doesn’t sound as if its been “dealt with.”

          • Cornhusker

            The cops shot four of the thugs dead, so that’s a plus.
            It also shows that Ferguson and Baltimore could have benefited by the same overwhelming show of police ready to answer with lethal force against thugs, with no passes given because of skin color.

          • Walker62

            In those other cities, they were not armed in general with lethal weapons. Reports in Waco are some did shoot at police.

          • Guitarzan

            No actually you stupid pussy shit skin there were several non gang members murdered by police due to over reaction.

        • WINNER

          This is the land of the TWO AmeriKKKas

        • Numbers

          It didn’t affect “the greater community”–hahahahaha! Talk to the police, I’m SURE they’ll agree.

        • Nick Washington

          IF the grievances of their great – great grandparents 5 times over had been PROPERLY DEALT WITH in a humane and enlightened manner, you may (not!) Have a point. But, do you remember Jim crow, the systematic tape of a people that is EVEN NOW occurring? White people have short memories of the crimes that you commit. And yes, you ARE the most criminal of people.

        • esmensetoo

          It involved hundreds of people (with close to 200 casualties) and happened in a public place — a shopping center — where lots of people were potentially endangered.

          The notion that it didn’t endanger the greater community is absurd. Additionally, the Waco police have indicated they now fear retaliation including harm to their families.

          You’ve got a real pretty situation there in Waco — one that you’ve foolishly allowed to grow to the point that your police force is cowed by roving, raging gangs of heavily armed, violent criminals.

        • BobFromDistrict9

          ” to express the grievance of their great great grandparents 5 times removed.”

          I have known two women who had grandparents who were slaves. One has since died, the other retired and just got on Medicare.

          1865 was then the civil war ended. Slavery did not end until years later.

          1865 to 2015 is 150 years. With a generation counted as 40 years by many, I use 35, that’s 4 generations at most. That’s great great grandparents, not 5 times great.

          However, a boy born in 1850 could have a son in 1900 who could have a child in 1950 which would be two generations removed from slavery.

          I chose that example because it is what happened in the case of the woman who is still living. The one who died had a grandparent who was not freed until 13 years after the civil war.

          • DeShawn Allen Hunter

            If your theory were correct, blacks in Nigeria who have no slaves in their ancestry would have HIGHER average IQs and much better results than African-Americans. Instead, the African-American IQ average is 85 whereas the African average is 70. Failure to achieve is due to population IQ, not due to the legacy of oppression by white people. European Jews are even less generationally removed from the Holocaust than your two women were from slavery, yet Jews are not failing in school and blaming it on the Holocaust. For that matter, Native Americans have higher poverty, obesity, and alcoholism rates than American blacks and still have higher average IQs; there are twice as many Native Americans as blacks in the Navy SEALs. Is this because the people who select viable candidates for the SEAL teams reject lots of perfectly viable candidates solely for being black?

          • Nick Washington

            Bell Curve, huh? Discredited pseudo science and psycho babble that semi intellectual whites try to pass off as truth. You HAVE GOT TO do better than that!

          • Jared

            You offer only condemnation yet no refutation and expect to be taken seriously??? Hahahaha

          • BobFromDistrict9

            Where did you come up with that S**T?

            Do you realize the scores on IQ tests have been going up for generations? They scores are then normalized to 100.

            Some years back Gwynne Dyer wrote a column about school test scores in England. The highest scores of all went to Black African immigrants, not Jews, not Asian, not White Brits. The lowest went to Caribbean immigrants. The black Africans had no history of slavery, the Caribbeans were the descendants of slaves.

            I did not accept that as the answer, but it does respond to your claim.

            There is a lot more than slavery that is involved. For one thing, there is language, and shared culture. All such tests are heavily influenced by language and cultural heritage. Which is why, when the Jewish immigration to this country hit high levels late 19th early 20th century, when IQ tests were starting to be used, Jews tested low.

            Both IQ and SAT tests, which are fairly interchangeable, are influenced by both of those forces, and education. Which is why, when IQ tests were administered to newly recruited soldiers in WW2, Northern whites had the highest scores, but Northern blacks scored higher than Southern whites.

            Your failure to achieve thinking might be considered, if all people of each group tracked about the same. Yet, even in this country, there are anomalies from that. Inner cites and rural areas have SAT scores that are very close to the same. Inner cities have higher math scores, rural areas have higher language scores. This goes back to before they added the third category, and is the average of the two scores.

            Small cities have scores right in the middle, and the highest scores goes to the suburbs.

            You are essentially saying black people are inherently inferior. Yet why did black Africans, pure black, score higher than partially black people, those racially mixed? That is also noticed here.

            Maybe 40 years ago, Damn, I just realized, it was 40 years ago, I was sitting in the office at work, night shift, talking to my co-worker about this very subject. He started by talking about the IQ difference, then he suddenly shifted, he realized something he already knew. He said it is a demonstrated fact that early childhood malnutrition has a permanent and negative effect on intellectual development. Add in the bad effects of lead poisoning, all too common in the inner city, plus the positive effects of early childhood education, and you have a predetermined outcome.

            The single most important factor in a child’s intellectual development is the mother. Found that in a study reported in the local newspaper years ago. Having a mother at home to raise the child improves the child’s development.

            Look at the results for SAT scores, having a parent or two with higher education also improves scores. Whites have a record of a higher level of college degrees, with Asians the highest, but from 1970 to the present blacks have had the greatest improvement in that area by far. Another generation like that and it will equalize, which won’t happen with republicans destroying pubic education.

            All of these are environmental factors, and until you can zero them out by providing equal upbringing your results are bogus.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            Jews come here with higher education to begin with, and are far more accepted into white society than blacks are. As I said in the other response, the earliest immigrants scored lower, largely due to linguistic and cultural differences.

            Did it occur to you that the obese, alcoholic and nutritionally deprived native Americans don’t even get considered for the Navy Seals? That would push the average scores up, a pre-selected group.

            Did you know, when the international math comparison tests were analyzed by a university some years ago, it was discovered it wasn’t just Asian who had the highest math performance, but specifically Koreans.

            Not just Koreans, but Koreans educated in the US.

            How does that fit your tilt?

          • Nick Washington

            Aside from my numbers, you actually PROVED my point, even without taking into account Jim Crow and systemic racism! Stop trying to focus on little things and start thinking BIG PICTURE! You are worrying about whether it was 4 generations or 5 generations! The point is that the system is still rigged.

          • BobFromDistrict9

            Uh…Nick… try thinking it through.

            I was supporting your point, that was my point.

          • Nick Washington

            Sorry, asswipes on here are aggravating

          • BobFromDistrict9

            Understood.

          • Jared

            Seems to be your MO.

          • Jared

            If you can accept that then you get it keep pretending you are a victim, facts be damned. Sad, and not original.

        • Kevin Schmidt

          Yeah! Who cares if a few white people killed each other in a giant brawl and shoot out? The important thing to remember is that no stores got looted. Because after all, in fascist AmeriKKKa, property is more important than people, and corporate people are more equal than We the People.

        • Dusty Ayres

          Shows how clueless and full of shit most white people like you are. When are you going to denounce biker culture, Kathy? Or is it more easier to denounce black people and black culture?

          Texans-always full of bull, and not much else.

      • KathyfromAustin

        Oh and BTW. Surely had read enough to know that the parking “incident’ may have been a match to this fire, but this bad blood had been simmering for quite a while. Wash Post and many others have write ups.

      • A. Wyatt Mann

        Except some of the bikers are black and Mexican.

      • Mitch Canine

        Sir, your race baiting and I pity you. The participants were mostly white and hispanic with a few black people. This had nothing to do with race and should not be catagorized with Baltimore or any other situation that has occured recently. Its totaly in its own catagory. To steriotype that white people are violent realy shows your ignorance. Your the racist…….

        • ghostofann

          You seemed to have missed the point entirely.

        • Nick Washington

          This one is too easy, I am gonna leave it alone. But, I would ask you, from a historical perspective, which race has committed more crimes against other races. Just sayin

          • Jared

            I ask you, from a FBI statistical perspective, who commits the most crimes when ratio of number of total crimes of each race is compared to it’s actual population? Facts matter. Just sayin

      • Eric Perkins

        No, they knew they were in Waco where the feds roasted about thirty white kids to death about twenty years ago. They knew they were in Texas, where no one puts up with Ferguson or Baltimore-esque BS. If making this racial feeds your needs, then so be it. Truth would never mean anything to you anyway.

        • Walker62

          No one in Texas would put up with it? Hell, it could be worse because of gun ownership. Those were FEDERAL agents at the Davidian compound so why does it matter where it occurs?

          But what’s been good here is a better level of civility in general and job opportunities in Texas. Even use of death penalty has declined here and those wrongly accused have some level of redress (Lots of DNA testing) and compensation when convictions have been overturned ($80K for each year wrongly imprisoned).

        • Nick Washington

          You are right, there is a special kind of crazy in Texas!

          • Jared

            The good kind. Opposite of your culture of victimhood.

      • Cornhusker

        Why don’t you try to expand on your point by using the violent crime statistics, broken down by race?

      • dtechba

        How many? A couple doesn’t make a rule…

      • dtechba

        You better look at how many sport riots come from AA rioters, lots and lots.

      • Mike Smith

        Wow Nick, look at this thing 3 months later and tell me who is the racist here?

    • Rick Derris

      Why aren’t you, as a white person, condemning this kind of violence?

      • M. N.

        We do, but to equate this to differences in racial injustice is rather stupid – these people didn’t respond to law enforcement the way a Mexican or Black gang would.

        • patcos

          And law enforcement did not respond to them as they would have to minority citizens. Not by a long shot. The seem to be sitting around calmly waiting to be processed because they have no worries of serious bodily injury or death while in custody, and they are not concerned about their constitutional rights being violated.

          • M. N.

            And conversely, they aren’t worried about serious death or bodily injury because they stopped and complied. These are criminal gangs who have a different code when dealing with police and police know it. Whereas other gangs engage in a free for all, then community bystanders jump in and add to it. Did you hear of any white non-gang citizens jumping in to beat up the cops? No, but this is a reality of working in heavy crime, minority areas.

        • Rick Derris

          “Our gangs are better!”

          Seems legit.

          • M. N.

            Not my gang, I don’t approve either way. “Our gangs are better!” – no they are just smarter.

          • Rick Derris

            Sure. I mean it was the gangs in Baltimore that were helping to keep the peace during the riots, and these guys started one, but whatevs.

  • semper paratus

    The difference is the actions of the bikers in custody they aren’t arguing or acting ridiculous to police. So they are treated accordingly. If they were being unruly I’m sure they would be dealt with accordingly.

    • joethepleb

      They were shooting at the police when they arrived. “Gang members were shooting at each other and at police and officers at the scene fired their weapons, as well, Swanton said.” http://www.kwtx.com/…/Waco-Shooting-Near-Twin-Peaks-In…

      • joethepleb
        • Baylorblonde

          They had already arrested and detained a majority of people when most of the photos being used in stories were taken. 170 were arrested and taken offsite to debrief and interview before being booked. I think what Semper is saying is they were not attacking or screaming at them. And it is noted that police fire most likely killed a number of the dead. There was additional police present before this even happened, because they had intelligence (22 police offers) so this kept it from getting worse. There were not just whites either, there were other races as well, just not black. You can not compare riots of thousands to this situation. Someone always has to bring race into every story

          • Nick Washington

            Stop, just stop! I have just about had my fill of the white hypocrisy!

          • KathyfromAustin

            Nick, why on earth are you so upset? I can’t fathom that you wanted and desired it to be like Ferguson and Baltimore in Waco. Different circumstances; different cultural dynamic. I say Thank God!

          • WINNER

            I say you did not take your medicine today.

          • Nick Washington

            Not really upset. Just that if same thing happened in black community, police response would be totally different. Yes, different circumstances (9 people killed!), but no handcuffs on perpetrators and they are allowed to use their cellphones?! First night in Baltimore, rioting and looting. Second night in Baltimore, peaceful demonstrators STILL confronted with police violence. THAT is the difference! No condemnation of thuggish biker gangs on ANY of the right wing radio shows or news outlets. This poses as great a threat in the Midwest as urban gangs pose in the northeast, yet how often does the national media talk about this? No calls for mainstream clergy to condemn this. This is why I call hypocrisy on this!

          • Lacrimo

            You don’t seem to understand simple logic, and clearly lack the desire to research anything you’re saying. The perps that were actually involved had already been dealt with. Either by being arrested, shot by the police, or were already dead when the police arrived.

            The people you see pictured are acting civilized and not acting like fools. Therefor they get treated civilized. I’m sick and tired of you people using this “white privilege” excuse like it gives you some sort of excuse to act a fool yourselves. I have friends of every race, and guess what? They deal with the exact same struggles I do.

            You know why our neighborhoods and people get harassed? Look at the population stats and the crime rates. We comprise around 12% of the population yet we are responsible for the majority of violent and drug related offenses. Of course the police are going to be more hesitant when dealing with blacks in a bad community. We want to stop being “profiled”, then we should do what we can to keep our own riff raff off the streets.

            Just because you choose to close your eyes and pretend that a problem doesn’t exist doesn’t make it disappear.

          • tj1tj

            lol stop pretending to be black.
            And change that fake avatar picture.

          • Lacrimo

            And there lies the problem. When someone actually uses common sense, reasoning, and pays attention to what’s actually going on, what happens? They are an “Uncle Tom” or “pretending to be black”. You know if we would stop running around like ignorant fools burning our own communities down for injustices that may or may not even be there and looking for any reason to blame anyone but ourselves, we may actually be able to make that change everyone wants so bad. Keep your head in the sand homie, it’s clearly working out well for our communities so far….

          • tj1tj

            dude give up the act.
            You’re the typical online loser who is too afraid to attach his name and face to his rhetoric so instead he pretends to be black to spew the same old racist garbage you see on stormfront on a daily basis.
            And you are the perfect example.

            Exhibit A: You’re defending these bikers and trying to put lipstick on a pig. You can’t bring yourself to call them thugs and murderers. You refuse to blame their culture and where they grew up. You refuse to blame their community. If this was all black people who did this then you would a complete 180.

            Exhibit B:
            Lacrimo – “I’m sick and tired of you people using this white privilege excuse”
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
            BUSTED! That was your first mistake.
            Who is “you people?”
            Ohhh and I see the term “white privilege” offends you.
            Geeeee I wonder why.

            Exhibit C:
            Lacrimo – “You know why our neighborhoods and people get harassed? Look at the population stats and the crime rates. We comprise around 12% of the population yet we are responsible for the majority of violent and drug related offenses. Of course the police are going to be more hesitant when dealing with blacks in a bad community. We want to stop being profiled, then we should do what we can to keep our own riff raff off the streets.”
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

            Dude you just copied and pasted that from the same aryan websites that peddle that garbage all day long.
            It’s basically word for word.
            You’re not fooling anybody with your right-wing foxnation/stormfront/breitbart garbage.

            And what the hell is a “riff raff”?????
            There is not a black man in America who uses that term.

            You are so busted.
            Just give up the act clown.
            You’re not fooling anybody.
            And now that I exposed you.
            Everybody now knows that you’re a fraud and an ignorant buffoon.

          • Lacrimo

            Ignorant much? I’m not defending anyone, especially those bikers. They are thugs and murderers obviously. That shouldn’t even need to be said. What I was doing however was trying to explain the differences between acting a fool (Resisting, assaulting, shooting at them, etc.) to the cops and being civilized. You act a fool you will be treated as such, as some of these bikers did when they were shot themselves. If you can’t see the differences there, than you’re a bigger fool than I thought.

            You made one true statement in that entire post. The term “white privilege” does bother me because you people ( IE: Every single person whether they are white/brown/black/green that uses that excuse for anything and everything.) like to yell “white privilege” instead of actually looking at fact and acknowledging that the majority of the situations people are protesting, the” innocent victims” obviously did something to cross paths with the police in the first place. You do realize that those bikers weren’t’ all white right? They were white, Mexican, AND black homie.

            Maybe if you’d pull your head out of the sand you’d take the time to look at the facts. I know you won’t though, so I don’t expect much.

            As for me being black or not, come on over to Natchez, MS. I’ll buy you a drink and maybe help you dislodge your head from your back side. Maybe then you can actually see what’s going on around you.

            If you lack the reading comprehension (which you probably do) to grasp what I’m telling you, I’ll go ahead and let another “fake black man” explain it to you via video.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0mVn0HH6U

          • tj1tj

            lol
            hahahahaha
            you sellout a$$ bootlicker.
            I’m not surprised you would post a youtube video from another sellout a$$ fox news loving step-n-fetch it bootlicker.

            I know your type.
            You go around putting down black people at every turn and begging for acceptance from your masters.

            Lacrimo – “PLEASE MASSA! PLEASE LET ME IN. ISA PUT DOWN DEM NO GOOD BLACK FOLKS FOR YA BOSS!”

            oh by the way,
            some of those bikers were shooting at the cops you dumb a$$.
            I would actually prefer that you were just pretending to be black.
            Because you’re the worst type of black man.
            You’re worse than corrupt racist cops.

            Is Jesse Lee Peterson your daddy?
            I know yall gotta be related in some form or fashion.

          • Lacrimo

            Damn you’re clearly an uneducated fool. If you had the ability to comprehend what I wrote (or even read apparently) you’d see that I stated that some of those bikers (who were white, BLACK, and Mexican) died shooting at the cops. Those THUGS and MURDERERS got what they deserved.

            If not being in the dark and refusing to just follow the crowd and defend the actions of thugs and criminals by rioting and destroying my own community (which does NOTHING to help our cause) makes me a “sellout bootlicker”, I’m perfectly alright with that.

            I’m serving “my masters” because I choose to actually act civilized and treat everyone with respect (Exactly how I expect to be and am treated in return.)? Or is it because I don’t blame the white man or the police every single time something happens? Keep on blaming others and not actually attempt to make things better and you will just continue being a sheep and a worthless drain on society.

          • tj1tj

            dude I already documented point by point why you’re a disgrace.
            Back in the day you would of been the perfect house slave snitching on the runaways.
            Fast forward to today,
            nothing has changed.
            I bet J. Edgar Hoover is your idol.
            You would of loved to snitch to him.

          • Lacrimo

            Haha, you just get dumber and dumber as this goes on. First of all, at what point did I ever put down black people? Or any particular race for that matter? I deal with people on an individual basis. I could care less about the color of their skin. It’s the actions of people that matters.

            You on the other hand seem to believe all white people are out to get you and all cops are corrupt. Just another blind sheep following the flock. News flash idiot, there is trash in every race and bad people in every aspect of life. It’s been that way from the beginning of time. You keep bringing up slavery as though you even know ANYONE that was around when it was still happening in America. Since you feel the need to bring that up so much, have you ever heard of Anthony Johnson? He was one of the first slave owners in colonial America, and he was black homie. A black man with black slaves. Most of the first slaves in America were sold into slavery and shipped to America by their own damn people in Africa.

            Second, the rest of what you’ve said makes no sense. Snitch, haha? How exactly do you come to that off the wall conclusion? Couldn’t be any more wrong with that. I’m the worst kind of black people? Hahahaha, best one yet. I’m the worst kind of black person because I choose not to sit here and defend the people who were shot by police, arrested, and/or brought the situations they are in on themselves? Or because I’m not out there screaming about how cops treat us like criminals and then start burning down buildings and looting stores in my own neighborhood acting like a criminal?
            You want them to stop treating you like second rate citizens in your community, but you’re acting like second rate citizens. Open up your eyes you blind sheep. For the record I think the few officer involved shootings (Such as South Carolina) where the officer is at fault should be handled right and the officer should go to prison. It’s pretty cut and dry you simpleton.

          • tj1tj

            lol
            I got you doing a complete 180 and changing your tune.
            I’m making you re-evaluate your life with every post I make.

            OOPS,
            I spoke too soon.
            Now you’re bringing up the false talking point about a black man being the first slave owner in America.
            Straight from stormfront and foxnation.

            I seriously doubt you’re black, but you claim that you are.
            I really wish you weren’t because you are one of the biggest bootlickers I have ever come across.
            All you’ve been doing this whole time is repeating white supremacist talking points.

            I’m just waiting for you to say blacks belong in the jungle and are only 3/4 of a person.

            Whether you are a black or not is irrelevant at this point.
            Because there is no doubt that you are the scum of the earth.

          • Lacrimo

            Reevaluate what exactly homie? My actual ability to use common sense and research what I’m talking about. Naw, I’ll stick with it. Do a little research for once instead of just typing “white supremacist” 10 times over. Anthony Johnson is a real person, who really existed. The library has these things called books. Try reading one sometime. I’m done arguing with you because you clearly lack the intelligence to have a civilized conversation.

          • tj1tj

            tell me some more aryan rhetoric.
            come on! let’s hear it.
            You’re on a roll so far.
            Tell me how blacks are uneducated animals,
            tell me how they need to go back to Africa,
            tell me how they only like chicken and basketball.

            Come on bootlicker,
            keep it coming….

          • Lacrimo

            You’re clearly going to just continue to have a conversation with yourself. I haven’t said a single one of those things ever. Only person I’ve called uneducated is you, because you continue to prove that with every reply. Take some time and read a history book. You might learn something.

          • tj1tj

            You know your comments are public right?
            I already copied your past quotes.
            You’ve been spouting white supremacist talking points this whole time.
            The cherry on top was saying that the first slave owner was a black man.
            Stormfront loves you.

          • Lacrimo

            Go back and read homie. I said one of the first slave owners (not THE first idiot) was a black man names Anthony Johnson. If you’d pick up a history book and learn to read you’d figure that out for yourself. Take the blindfold off you dumb, annoying, waste of space.

          • tj1tj

            the fact that you would bring up that bogus talking point in the first place says everything about you.
            You’re just a lost sad individual.
            You can’t even form a thought on your own.
            You soak up white supremacist propaganda and then repeat it like a parrot.

          • Lacrimo

            The fact that you keep calling historical facts as bogus taking points because they don’t fit your bullsh*t agenda says a lot about you. Since you seem to avoid the actual research involved in looking up facts, I’ll go ahead and paste this link for you from Berkeley University. Try reading it(or have someone read it to you since I’m not sure you can read yourself), you might learn something.

            https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~arihuang/academic/abg/slavery/history.html

          • Nick Washington

            Oh oh! House man done start using the edumacation dodge!

          • Jared

            If you had an education it would greatly help your quality of post. Haha

          • Nick Washington

            Dude, stop. Just stop! You have no common sense, and there is no reason in what you are talking about.

          • Nick Washington

            I am sick and tired of YOU people destroying everything that you touch! You are like a bunch of rabid animals that infect everything you come in contact with! Historically you have stolen from every other civilization and destroyed any chance of peace that we have! It is like a plague has come out of Europe and is destroying the whole World, then after you are finished, you look around and say “I didn’t do any thing”!

          • Jared

            Says the leader of the Dindu Nuffins.

          • [email protected]

            That’s the difference between liberal government and conservative government

          • Nick Washington

            Why the hell would I want it to be like Baltimore or Ferguson?! That is a special kind of ignorance! The fact of the matter is, one of these incidences was cause by the unjust actions of a murderous gang, and the other was caused by bad blood between thugs and criminals! None of you have yet said anything about the underlying cause of the protests and subsequent riots in Baltimore. The fact that a man was put into a police vehicle okay but died w/in 20 minutes. But with most of you, the police is always right.

          • Jared

            The underlying reason is decades of democrat leadership.

          • M. N.

            And, you didn’t see the community jumping into attack the police officers…

      • A. Wyatt Mann

        And they were shot. What more should the police do in this case?

        Semper was speaking in general terms, if bikers slammed doors on cops, charged cops, attempted to take cop guns, biker is probably shot.

        • M. N.

          I guess they expected them to shoot everyone… or see raging photos of police brutality when things evidently simmered down pretty rapidly once police had their attention.

        • pawg.hunter

          police wont shoot white people, even when they are armed – FACT

          • A. Wyatt Mann

            That makes sense. Now I understand why more than 60% of people killed by police each year are white.

          • pawg.hunter

            why did no one in waco get shot? I’ll save you the trouble – they were white. James Eagan holmes? armed, killed dozens in that Colorado theatre, was still taken alive even though he was armed. The guy in PA who killed two cops, went on the lam for about 6 weeks, was armed and was taken into custody and not killed. Hope this makes more sense to you.

          • A. Wyatt Mann

            What? Cops shot 4 that we know and rumor is maybe all 9 were shot by the cops. Turns out maybe it was cops who turned a fistfight into a gunfight.

            Not only that but then the cops arrest over 150 people who weren’t even involved. Then violate the 8th Amendment, which states “Excessive bail shall not be required”, by giving everyone some generic blanket charge and hold them on $1m bond. That $1m bond, it was proven to be an excessive bond when the judge said “I said that judge to send a message.”

            Then when the cops and city attorney’s realize they’ve just set themselves up for the largest civil lawsuit Texas has seen in 100 years, the city attorneys try to blackmail the innocent, who are still in jail, by promising to reduce their bonds if they agree to give up their right to sue the city for false arrest, false imprisonment, and civil rights violations

            Also, you people keep saying Waco was “white”. About half the bikers were Mexican, about half were Anglo, some black dudes were there too. SO yea, if you consider all those folks white, then this was about white people.

            Yet after all this, you want to claim white people were treated special in Waco? Only people into that partisan left right, white black, bullsht would think that.

            Man but really, google search – you’ll find many examples of white people being shot by police, completely innocent ones. In Texas, in New Mexico (cops are killing everyone in New Mexico, mostly Mexicans though), in Alabama, in NY, in NV. It happens to us all.

          • pawg.hunter

            well, the masses didn’t refer to them as “thugs” or “hoodrats becuase of their skin color. Police treat different people differently, just admit it

          • A. Wyatt Mann

            No they were referred to as scumbags, criminals, etc. Funny enough, you people don’t even understand what happened in Waco.

            First you racists claim “White on white” when half involved were Hispanic and some were black. Second, you don’t complain the cops arrested everyone there even if they had nothing to do with it; then gave them a 1$m bond for “wrong place, wrong time, fit the description.”

            Innocent people lost their jobs. One guy in my area may be losing his home. Their civil rights were violated – heck, only 1 police report (in which the officer claimed to have witnessed everyone arrested ‘committing a crime’ – which isn’t possible as 1 cop can’t witness crimes by 175+ people at the same time) was filed and that report was used by a judge to set an illegal $1m bond.

            BUt yea, since they didn’t call them thugs.

            Oh and on that – if the media had called them thugs, you people would probably scream how the media was stealing terms from black culture and applying to whitey.

          • pawg.hunter

            right right, the media is even handed with their portrayals of whites and blacks. Got it. Next, you’ll be telling me how this country is now discriminating against white males and how you are an endangered species. HA!

          • A. Wyatt Mann

            Why should media portrayal be equal when murder rates in American black society are far from equal when compared to every non-black group in the U.S.?

            And it isn’t just Anglos receiving different attention than blacks receive in the media; we see Hispanics, Asian, Natives, African immigrants, and or all other groups treated the same as Anglos.

          • pawg.hunter

            right right, so whites perform most of the crime (white collar and blue collar) around here, but blacks get the most overage for their crimes, got it

          • A. Wyatt Mann

            When is the last time a movie was made about bankster criminals? Never. Why? Because that is a Jewish crime, so it’s Jews who are singled out.

            Same with murder, rape, armed robbery, home invasion, and last but not least, carjacking. Blacks commit these acts in extreme numbers.

            But yea, the white guy and his DWI or bounced check, it’s as terrible as the rate the negro creates body counts.

          • pawg.hunter

            ok, racist SOB, go back to your mommas basement, you are delusional and a lost cause

    • Kelli Alves

      Oh, I see. So, you were there, Semper? You witnessed exactly what went down in both Baltimore and in Waco? Is that how you so authoritatively know what the difference is?

      Or is it actually that you decided to pull something right out of your bunghole based entirely upon your biased and probably quite racist assumptions?

      Yeah, that’s what I thought.

      • semper paratus

        Well Baltimore has nothing to do with what happened here. There were no riots, no burning of stores down, no one throwing rocks or other debris at the police once the situation was under control. The ones that were firing at the police were midst likely shot and killed by the police.
        What I was referring to were the one’s in custody waiting to be processed by police in the picture shown. They aren’t trying at the police or trying to run away. Were you there? Were you in Baltimore probably not. So yes it was bad situation that could of been prevented or ended up a lot worse. The assumptions aren’t racist they are an accurate observation.

        • UncannyAbilities

          You’re right, Baltimore was way different. Baltimore nobody died. Here, 9 people did. #thugs

          • A. Wyatt Mann

            Out of 2.5 million cities in the world Baltimore ranks 40th in murder per 100k people.

          • doggril

            Considering that there are only about 4,400 cities in the world with a population of over 150k, it would appear that you’re quoting a source that claims that every hamlet in existence is a “city”.

          • A. Wyatt Mann

            Nope, google “How many cities are there in the world.” You’ll get results showing roughly 2.5m cities in the world not including small villages/hamlets.

            “2,469,501 cities and about 600,000 towns in the world. How many cities are there in the world?”

            Now you know.

        • KathyfromAustin

          The assumption was control of criminals. The benefit of the doubt was given to law enforcement, not the trouble makers. THATs a big difference.

    • Nick Washington

      Call bullshit on that. Police don’t wait till you argue with them to arrest you. They would have brought out the violence anyway with black people or other minorities. White people are such hypocrits! You are actually try and defend the differences?!

      • M. N.

        Most of us don’t argue with them, we let the justice system handle the dispute… The pictures you see didn’t include the shoot out or how the police managed to regain control, so you’re really speaking to something you have no evidence to support. And, we’d have supported a good old fashioned butt whooping if they had resisted – see the difference?

    • meta galactic

      Huh? They were shooting…….guns! That’s cause for death! If this happened in Baltimore, you’d be calling the participants, savages. Why didn’t the cops brutalize these criminals? These thugs need to be taught a lesson.

      • KathyfromAustin

        Nick and Doggril are devastated that they have no new destination for protest. Waco had all the potential and hope!

        • KathyfromAustin

          Wait. They could be lawyers chasing ambulances. I wouldn’t doubt that.

          • Johnnie Goode

            I want to know who was driving the Waco police van…from what I hear, everyone who walked in to one, walked out of one. No “rough rides in Waco?”

          • OldBlindBob

            Unlike the driver in Freddie Gray’s van ride, it was likely a white Waco officer at the wheel.

    • doggril

      Not acting ridiculous? Did you miss the part about 9 people killed?

    • WINNER

      I hope you do not believe the shit you typed?

    • Numbers

      This comment may be the dumbest thing we’re going to read on this thread… They were shooting at police, the police shot back. But in case you didn’t realize, when gangs shoot at police, in the aftermath, they all don’t get to just hang around, casually.

    • DeShawn Allen Hunter

      Acting civilly to cops is not the Bandido way. Remember the other Texas Monthly article where they flipped off police helicopters in unison?

  • Heikki

    The police reportedly shot some of the bikers who were doing the shooting. 170 or so were arrested, jailed, and given very steep bail amounts. Sounds like it was handled well.
    Oh, and the good citizens of Waco didn’t riot or loot on behalf of the thug suspects who, even if of the same race, don’t represent them. Their mommas won’t be making excuses and blaming the police either.

    • Nick Washington

      No, the good people of Waco did not have one of their kids killed while in custody by the people that are supposed to protect them. Arrested for no reason. Tell me, how is that the same? I guess that the good people of Waco are happy with the biker gang drug dealers that ACTUALLY TARGET people in uniform?! Or, perhaps they work with, and FOR the biker gangs?

      • DeShawn Allen Hunter

        How would you feel if a bunch of people wore shirts with “Justice4DylannRoof” and “WhiteLivesMatter” barged into your meeting with calls to “burn this bitch down” and “fuck this shit up?”

  • Mike Collins

    Well, yes, it was white on white, crime. All scumbags. But, the rest of the community in Waco isn’t rioting in the streets because the cops shot them. I am proud of the cops for showing up and controlling them as much as possible. Race doesn’t matter.

    • Nick Washington

      Yes it does.

      • M. N.

        So you’re crying because…it’s so unfair that more of them didn’t get shot, it’s not right that they didn’t loot, it’s unjust that they didn’t kill innocent bystanders, it’s so unfair that they didn’t burn something down? Cops intervened, perps died and were detained (without running away from responsibility I might add), and they’ve been charged. If this had happened in one of your neighborhoods there’d have been rioting. Guess we are fundamentally different because we acknowledge that they got what they deserved, but we also acknowledge that it isn’t the cops fault they started the problem, but they handled it very well.

      • DeShawn Allen Hunter

        This is true. SJWs like Nick Washington will value the life of a thug over the life of any whites or Asians who are killed or have their stores looted in the ensuing riots. If black lives really mattered, they wouldn’t have to insist that they do. If you believe your life really matters, you don’t throw it away by getting in a shootout with the cops after getting your (second!) organ transplant. Especially wasteful when you consider how rare black and Amerind organ donors are. Most people who get on organ donor lists are, surprise surprise, educated high-IQ whites.

        http://i.imgur.com/OAuQDnt.jpg

        • Nick Washington

          First of all, what the hell is an SJW?! From your comment, I am gonna hazard a guest that it is something stupid! In corollary to your thoughts, most of the EVIL in this world is done by “educated, high IQ whites also. The genocide of the Native Americans, “educated, high IQ whites, the Inquisition, “educated high IQ whites! Soo, that really is not something to brag about! But I am gonna go out on a limb and wonder if you are in the “that happened in the past, get over it!” camp!

    • A. Wyatt Mann

      “Well, yes, it was white on white, crime. ”

      If you use the googles you can see there were Hispanic, white, and black bikers.

    • KathyfromAustin

      Me too, Mike. Waco has come across as smart and professional during this crisis. As Texans we should all be proud.

    • WINNER

      Go play in traffic

    • Corbin Supak

      So all these black Americans you’ve been hearing about are scumbags? Do you not see the point? Of course there’s no riot in Waco. There’s nothing to riot about. When a teen that you know from the country club or the swim team gets shot up because they stole a cigar from 7-Eleven then you’ll understand. And if that keeps up for several hundred years you might begin to protest.

    • OldBlindBob

      Not surprising that no bystanders were injured, despite it being a crowded Sunday morning at the shopping center. Most folks down here (bikers and police included) can put 10 inside a quarter at 30 yards.

  • Dee Aubrey

    its just happen !!! Yes people died , bikers have there own life style and rules . But they also do good too !! I don’t here too much about street gangs doing to much good out there !!! Police did a good job of controlling what happen , but the bikers always take care of there own . We all are so quickly to judge things that we really have no idea whats going on . Stop judging and comparing people !!!

    • Slick

      I’m judging you by your incredibly poor spelling and grammar.

      • Dee Aubrey

        Why thank you for taking time to edit me

    • Nick Washington

      But it is ok to judge Baltimore, New York and Ferguson.

      • Dee Aubrey

        No Nick its not , but I don’t think comparing one to another is right neither . What happen in these cities was wrong .

      • KathyfromAustin

        Then those communities should not present such low hanging fruit for debate.

        No matter what the issue in Ferguson (which a GJ declined to indict) the end result was burning and destroying local businesses.

        What the heck did Ferguson citizens-mostly black-who struggled and worked tirelessly do to earn their business being burned and looted?
        Is Waco unworthy because its citizens trust law enforcement to take care of neighbors vs the other communities of Baltimore and Ferguson where there is so much distrust that they burn, loot,and destroy their neighhor?

      • M. N.

        They burned down buildings, destroyed property, attacked police… Yes, it’s okay because the communities and gang dynamics are very different.

    • Shorty

      If people were half as smart as they think they are they would think “Well… Why didn’t these “THUGS” fight and run like little cowards?” Bikers are NOT bad people. They saw LEO’s and pretty much shut down the fight and sat down. They are going to take their punishment like MEN and the rest of the community is going to move on with their lives AND TOWN in one piece! At least they didn’t kill the initial 22 LEO’s on scene and take off to avoid being caught.

      • Dee Aubrey

        this is true , most of them could have got away , most of this guys have families and jobs too and for the most part don’t cause problems . People would be really surprise whos in these clubs , maybe your neighbor , doctor , lawyers , yes there are normal people , not the THUGS people claim they are !!

      • WhalePrintPants

        Except, you know, some of them got into a gun battle with the police.

    • M. N.

      Is that a Clinton maneuver that you just did? It’s okay to break the law because I do good things? Criminal gangs are not good.

      • Dee Aubrey

        O Wow comparing me to Clinton , well sense you went there ….. Lets just say that there’s a thin line when it comes to the law and how they treat gangs . Why do you think that these gangs have been around for years ? Because they take care of business , there own business . Yes just as any other GANG do . But the police let a lot happen cuz then they don’t have to deal with it , in a CLUB when someone gets out of line they are dealt with .

        • M. N.

          And, since I went there and you responded…I’m just saying, don’t legitimize criminal behavior. These same gangs have killed, extorted and stolen not from just each other. If their behavior did not have negative social consequences, I too might turn the other cheek…but drugs, theft, murder are not acceptable. Police monitor and collect information so that when they make a bust, it has great evidence to put them away – they don’t just allow this sort of thing.

          • Dee Aubrey

            I get that and in no way am I saying they can do as they please , a criminal is a criminal !!

  • Mr. Nippon

    This article is completely stupid. That is all

  • The National Guard wasn’t called in, the perpetrators weren’t beaten or
    pepper-sprayed, nobody was hogtied or humiliated, the dogs weren’t
    brought out to intimidate anyone. Hell, they didn’t even handcuff them
    or take their phones away. Instead, they just sat them down on the
    sidewalk peacefully.

    If you think the police response wasn’t racial… you might be a redneck.

    • Slick

      Well said.

    • A. Wyatt Mann

      The black and Hispanic bikers involved in this, were they beaten or pepper-sprayed, hogtied or humiliated, dogs brought out to intimidate them? Hell, did they even handcuff them or take their phones away; or did they instead sit them down on the sidewalk peacefully like their white biker partners?

    • Mitch Canine

      Get your facts straight. Before the media arrived arrests had been made. 170 were charged and the ones in custody had a 1 million dollar bond. I call that effecient policing and professionalism. To compair this situation to any other situation is ignorance.

    • Cornhusker

      Or…OR JUST MAYBE…the police first shot the sh!t out of anybody who showed violent behaviosr and because of that overwhelming show of deadly force, the bikers decided to sit down peacefully and await their turn to be searched and hauled away rather than be shot and killed.

      Maybe that overwhelming show of deadly force at the outset would have improved the behaviors and attitudes of the Ferguson rioters.

  • Gina Loyd

    Banditos aren’t “white”…..are you clueless or do you think your readers are too stupid to know that?

    • Best comment ever! I love the Texas Monthly comments, because you don’t want to believe anyone could be so ill informed, and yet here we are. I mean Dan linked to the story that detailed the history of the majority white Bandidos organization at the top of the post.

      EDIT: Also pictures of a bunch of Bandidos in article.

      • Gina Loyd

        If you know anyone who has ever spent any time in prison…..they can tell you about who gangs are made up of. Each race has to stick with their own race to keep from getting harassed, beat or killed. Those groups of “their own race”…are gangs. The same gangs that these guys get out and continue to affiliate….three guesses which ethnic group the Banditos are in prison. You can read all the articles you want to…it doesn’t mean that it was written by anyone who actually knows what they are talking about. Another good group to ask is drug and alcohol counselors or prison guards.

        • WINNER

          Are you really this stupid ?

      • A. Wyatt Mann

        Mugshots of the arrested are available online. It seems to be mostly Anglo and Hispanic (about equal in representation) and the black population is represented as well.

        We aren’t talking about the Aryan Brotherhood here, we are talking criminals not as segregated by race as most think.

    • WINNER

      Take your medication before commenting in public you idiot,

  • YuBlAmEwHiTeY!

    Yes definitely these guys where attacking innocent by standers and burning family owned business down! See the picture of the biker carrying the flat screen tv!! Get real 170 arrested all possibly facing capitol murder charges. Damn here it is a day after look at how all these white people are still rioting!

    • Nick Washington

      Oh, the amount of stupid sarcasm in this post! No, they just started a gun battle that could have injured scores of innocent people! Over what, pray tell? A parking space, or someone tried to recruit the wrong guy for his gang? But in your world I guess it is ok because it was done by WHITE PEOPLE!

      • YuBlAmEwHiTeY!

        Honestly Nick, Does it realy matter that some of those guys weren’t white? Not Really Right?Media is the real Enemy. Biker Gang straight Screams “WHITE PEOPLE” ! Lets be ignorant and start the Finger Pointing Game . Not every White Person is Evil or Bad. Not every Black Person should be judged on What the Media Shows. We Live in a Media Inspired World. Turn the News off and Let the Weather Surprise you.

  • Joshua Janda

    For those of you who don’t get that cops are not bad people let me add a little perspective to this. I am an 18 year old male from a small rural community in Texas. Now I have trusted cops all my life and have never once not seen a cop use unjustified force. The ones that are doing it now are the bad apples. If a couple Christian pastors squander church money and use it for personal gain does that mean we should stop trusting the churches which have done so much to help people? If our government cannot get there craps together does that mean we should through out even the good legislatures? And lastly if a group of people from one race act in a manner that is unruly does that mean they all act this way? Please keep in mind that countless men have done terrible things while representing so many groups and no some of these groups are stained from a few bad apples.

    • Nick Washington

      Do you think that those “bad cops” could stay on the force without at least the tacit support of the “good cops”? If I steal something every day and you know about it and don’t tell anyone, are you not complicit in the theft also? How can you be a good cop if you allow and cover up for bad cops doing stuff? Isn’t that just going to make it harder on you? Put another way, if your brother is sinning, and you know about it, what are you as a good Christian supposed to do?

      • KathyfromAustin

        Nick, you appear to be *aching*!to support a narrative that the facts just don’t.

        Sorry. Perhaps you should move you interest back to the NE where you will have more willing actors.

        Here we Texans are a bit too straightforward and UNSCRIPTED. Sorry, Chief.

  • The beast

    Who the F is Al Shapton Rod? Dumbfuck.

  • A Touch of Sin

    Calling these thugs white is like calling Obama black. Half of these thugs are Hispanic. That’s just a fact, make opinions and assumptions however you wish.

    http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Mug-Shots-for-Suspects-Detained-After-Twin-Peaks-Shooting-304151771.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_DFWBrand

    • Have you read “Passing” by Nella Larson? It’s fascinating what you’re doing in this post. You’ve conferred “whiteness” on our President and revoked it from bikers. It really speaks to how “race” is a fabricated notion conferred by those in power.

      • A Touch of Sin

        You could say the inverse, that I have revoked blackness from Obama and conferred colourd-ness (?) on our biker friends. “By those in power” I think you mean the media? I’m no social scientist. I think I agree with you.

        I’m Chinese. We have a dictator 11.

  • A. Wyatt Mann

    Seriously, CNN attempted to use the term thug to describe the bikers but received a letter from O.A.A.A, also known as Offices of African American Anger.

    The letter demanded the term thug, traditionally used to describe outlaws in the black community, not be further used while describing white outlaws as this use of the term was just another example of white America stealing from African American culture.

    • Peter Holmes

      Look up the etymology of the term thug and then remove your post…cuz its stupid.

      • A. Wyatt Mann

        You mad.

  • Eddie07

    I am pretty sure the police arrested somewhere around the neighborhood of 170 people and killed 3, I’m sure they got it covered. And no, there was no need for a national guard or riot gear because if you notice these guys know the routine, sit outside and wait while to cops show up and arrest everyone.

  • vicki meek

    “The frustration of people who see unfair treatment in how police and
    media are reacting to Waco is palpable. It’s also probably not an
    apples-to-apples situation: a small Texas city whose metro area is
    roughly one tenth the size of St. Louis’s or Baltimore’s is probably
    likely to have different reactions from law enforcement, while gang
    fights are a generally unusual circumstance.” – Ferguson is a small town so I question the apples & oranges reference. It’s hard for the white media to just admit that black and white citizens, whether criminals or not, are treated very differently by their industry. White kids tear up their town on a

    drunken binge and its never described as anything but rowdy behavior. White biker gangs have been terrorizing communities for generations but you never hear about them unless something major like this Waco incident happens but you hear about all black gang violence constantly. Black communities stage a non-violent protest and the media focuses on anything violent that they can find whether it is directly related to the protest or not. (lots of evidence of fabricated stories and dug up photos during the Baltimore protests). So nuance is not the problem where the question of unfair representation in the media is concerned. Racism is.

  • Jeff H

    I wonder how many Thugs will killed today in “Da Hoods” Across the Nation since this event in Waco.

  • Mitch Canine

    How in the world does this have anything to do with race? Its just all the race baiters egging on and trying to create more contraversay. If your contributing to this then I pitty you.

  • bigaltx

    I don’t know if twin peaks, or the employees would say that “no business was destroyed” . Id say a gang clash with 9 dead should at least constitute “unruly”. Some of these folks are making this sound like a sophisticated gentlemanly quarrel, where both parties followed the rules of engagement ( language of legitimized violence/war). Don’t get confused I’m glad the police used restraint. I feel for the families of the dead. But cmon people when you see people relaxed and texting after being implicated in a mass murder, while a young man gets black bagged on camera while protesting according to his rights, something is wrong with the media/social concept of justice. We should do more turning off the tv, and more connecting with one another.

  • somebodystolemynamefatboy

    Well, the difference in media handling two types of thuggery might have something to do with the relative scale and prevalence in the two respective populations, and also the absence of arson and looting in Waco.

  • somebodystolemynamefatboy

    There is hardly an event in the news that doesn’t bring out the:
    “Yeah, but how about m-e-e-e-e-e-“.

  • M. N.

    Well, I guess this means that I’ll not be subscribing to Texas Monthly again. Yep, go ahead and focus on one unprecedented event and make it something that it isn’t. There are so many variables in this situation that you didn’t address that it reeks of ignorance. How many times do you actually see a black or mexican gang hang around for consequences? They usually flee or turn on the cops – these guys are just sitting there, uncuffed doing what the nice police officer told them to do…far more honorable than the drive by shootings by other gangs who kill so many innocent people every year. Yeah, those poor other gangs…so oppressed. Do you realize how absolutely ignorant you sound by playing race victim card? All criminal gangs are wrong and any of those lives that end in death create a more safe neighborhood for all of us. Stop picking on the police and defending stupid.

  • Jason Cole

    “White on white crime”. Or, as it’s commonly known as, ” crime”.

  • Esteban Erik Stipnieks

    We had Frau Kraut complaining about lack of Hispanics on non profits now we have gringo who calls Bandidos exclusively Gringos. Where does Texas monthly find all these ignorant white folks to write for them? If Soloman had to cajones to call Bandidos Gringos to their face we obviously would not have this problem because paraphrase a Woody Guthrie song “their is one less progressive gringo in old Austin Texas tonight” Well Texas Monthly kindly remove its cabazea from its colla?

  • Ron Williams

    Blacks have Crips and Bloods. Hispanics have MS13. Whites have biker gangs. The one thing they all have in common is they are drug-oriented, violent thugs and outlaws. Why do some morons posting here have to push a race narrative?!

    • Esteban Erik Stipnieks

      Bandidos whites (gringos)? Are you borracho?

  • HardCopy718

    One of the tweets says “why haven’t we seen mugshots.” Well, those were released today. There ya go.

    The tweets above are also missing one key fact…a biker gang shootout that kills 9 people in a suburban, predominately white neighborhood is almost entirely unheard of. Inner city gang violence is not unheard of. It happens all the time, which is why people try to draw wider societal conclusions from it.

    The one point that those pushing a race narrative do have is that if several black gangs wanted to meet at an establishment, the meeting wouldn’t have been allowed to take place, either by restaurant management or the authorities.

  • The_Saxon

    #1. Use less words. The ed is too long. #2. It is my understanding that most of he deaths were bc of law enforcement shots, which doesn’t surprise me cause most gang members can’t shoot straight. And yes, his is apples to oranges. Low information and intellectually dishonest people won’t see it that way.

  • Curbjaw

    Turns out some of the Bikers might have been killed by the police…. they’re still sorting through the bodies and trying to figure out who killed who.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/05/18/waco-shootout-police-involvement/27530257/

  • ms

    I appreciated this article simply because there were no typos as with most online media. The author made a good argument (speaking from a strictly academic point of view.)

  • Cornhusker

    Notice no white people whining and looting and rioting when police shoot white people going on a rampage?

    • WhalePrintPants

      No white people only riot after sports championships or during pumpkin festivals, like last year in New England.

  • Tim Cook

    Come now, how can you compare a minor of fence like a gang fight between two groups of well known thugs resulting in multiple murders, to a heinous crime like wearing a hoodie while walking home, or (gasp) selling a cigarette
    On the street? Have to set our priorities.

  • Leonard

    The difference in Baltimore and Waco is that Waco (and Texas in general) hasn’t been run by the looney left for decades. The general attitude of the populace of such places are a direct reflection of how they have been run over time. Baltimore, a once proud and thriving city, has become a waste land and the leftist politices keep it that way and keep the black population in constant victim mode. Not surprised the race baiters are out in force. It was to be expected.

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  • Matthew Lauder

    Seriously guys? Honestly I just believe Texas doesn’t play that shit when it comes to violence. A little black was killed in her sleep because some idiot cop shot her. He was white and got off of course. If the little girl was white I do believe he would’ve received top punishment. I feel that Texas is one state were there aren’t that many racists. Just more of the ” oh no my daughter is dating a black guy” type of retards. I can’t wait til 2050 where we eventually won’t see race because everyone will be mixed and the race card will cease to exist. Anyway I feel justice was served in Waco. But in other parts of the world you’ll just notice the kkk is just cut from a different cloth and will easily get off for killing your 5 year old daughter in her sleep.

  • melchior42

    Biker gang and thugs are basically synonymous in most people’s minds. What a specious argument.

  • whitemellon

    They were just having a meeting to determine how to help the good people of Texas protect themselves from the invading (Jade 15) US Army.

  • Wild Cat

    Nazi Germany. Genocide in the Congo by the Belgians. GW Bush and Draft Dodger Cheney attacking a nation under false pretenses. Americans killing 3.5 M Vietnamese. Bill O’Reilly savagely beating his ex-wife. I can go on and on

    Is there no atrocity that white savages won’t commit?

  • Pearl Polanski

    Refreshing beverages handed out to #WacoThugs while they wait for their plush air-conditioned bus to transport them in style to the hoosegow.

  • dtechba

    Oddly enough, people elsewhere in the biker community are ranting the cops incited the violence and are in fact responsible for the nine shot victims. The police have not denied it saying they are still investigating. Then you have Coates ilk saying this is an example of disparative treatment of whites and black offenders. What’s the difference? Truths are such hard things for race baiters to grasp. What is different is no rioting following the event. Again hard truth but truth isn’t the point here, they are constantly seeking an excuse for community failures.

  • Jon Robinson

    Stop trying to make this about race. The media hasnt mentioned white on white crimes because its wasnt just white people involved. Look at the mug shots all over the internet. This has been an issue at this particular Twin Peaks for months now. The situation is simple, rival gangs were fighting over the rights to claim Texas. One fight lead to the next until this. It could have been avoided if they would have listened to the cops…and I fucking hate to say that.

  • pawg.hunter

    white privilege

  • Alamoses

    Interesting false assumptions about biker gangs vs biker clubs. Generalizing acts of a few to all others in stereotype. Ride a Harley Davidson = gang member = white. If television Sons of Amarchy is true, then bikers are connected to Irish Revolutionary Army and crooked cops. but there are also “Mexican” and “Black” biker gangs running guns, drugs and sex on the streets. The criminals in Waco mostly ran off and left the others to get booked guilty by association. For all the buzz here, the scene sure looks different from the race riots lasting days in the big cities. Apples and oranges.

  • Kevin Schmidt

    This would have never have happened if we had effective national gun control laws. Gun laws work in every other modern industrialized country and they can work in the US too.
    Of course gun laws are constitutional, which is why we have them in one form or another in every single state. But they don’t work as well as they could because we need national laws to pick up the slack in the states with weak laws, like Texas, obviously.

  • vippy

    It was a set up by the police who shot 9’people over nothing. There was a melee but nothing worth getting exited over. Innocent people are now locked up like this ex-cop who retired and drives a school bus. It is another idiotic gesture of our police like the David Koresh Lie they perpetraded.

  • Mike Smith

    “I could have made you all as one, and I have not. So vie on each other in good deeds.” These tweeters were as racially motivated as any Kluxer.