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A Tragedy in Dallas

After five police officers lost their lives, Dan Patrick reacts in precisely the wrong way.

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Dallas police stand watch near the scene where five Dallas police officers were shot and killed on July 7, 2016.
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Last night chaos broke out in Dallas, after someone opened fire at a Black Lives Matter protest. The result of his spree, which concluded in the early hours of this morning, was tragic. It was the deadliest day for American police officers since the September 11th terrorist attacks. Five officers were killed–four from Dallas PD, and one from DART. Seven more had been wounded, as had two protesters. The shooter, who has also died, has been identified as Micah Xavier Johnson; several suspects remain in police custody.

More details can be found at the Dallas Morning News, among other local outlets. And my colleague Dan Solomon has a review of what we know so far about the shooting. But the story is, of course, still developing, and so it would be unwise to start drawing conclusions or assigning blame, especially considering the context: Yesterday’s Black Lives Matter protests, in Dallas and other cities across the nation, were organized in response to the deaths of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile, both of whom were black, and both of whom were shot and killed by police for seemingly no reason at all.

Some Republican leaders have explicitly warned against politicizing the shootings in Dallas. “There will be a temptation to let anger harden our divisions. Let’s not let that happen,” said Paul Ryan, the speaker of the U.S. House, in a speech today. Greg Abbott, the governor of Texas, similarly called for unity in an open letter today: “To come together—that would be the greatest rebuke to those who seek to tear us apart.”

Others, though, have rushed to assign blame, and the most high-profile hasty accusations have come from Dan Patrick. “I do blame former Black Lives Matter protests,” said the lieutenant governor, in an interview on Fox News earlier today, arguing that the movement foments hatred of police. Further, he added, it’s full of phonies: “All those protesters last night, they turned around and ran the other way expecting the men and women in blue to protect them. What hypocrites!”

Many on the right are leveling similar accusations against Black Lives Matter, and it may be the case that Johnson, who was black, considered himself a supporter of the movement. Over the course of the standoff that culminated in his death, according to Dallas Police Chief David O. Brown, he told police negotiators that he “wanted to kill white people, especially white officers,” among other things. But that doesn’t mean such accusations against the movement itself are justified, and looking at the evidence, I don’t think they are.

Empirically and analytically, it seems flatly wrong to blame the shootings in Dallas on the Black Lives Matter movement. The protest itself was peaceful; even Patrick conceded that much, hence his reference to “former” events. And the movement’s overarching purpose is to end police killings, not to kill police. You can find supporters on Twitter saying otherwise, if you’re motivated to do so. Or you could refer to the goals Black Lives Matter lays out in its platform, or the vast majority of its leaders and supporters, who condemned the violence in Dallas. You could also note that, again, even Patrick conceded that point, when he noted that many of the protesters in Dallas had turned to the police for protection after the shooter opened fire. This wasn’t hypocritical; as Jordan Rudner explains, at the Texas Tribune, the Dallas PD and the Black Lives Matter movement have had notably good relations over the past several years. And the supporters who gathered last night were protesting police brutality in response to two brutal police killings, not the existence of law enforcement or the nature of all cops. Black Lives Matter supporters, in other words, aren’t the ones arguing, reductively, that Dallas is intractably divided between two warring teams, the “black” and the “blue.”

It’s possible, I suppose, to argue that the Black Lives Matter movement writ large is contributing to a national climate of hatred toward law enforcement that may manifest itself violently. Such arguments tend to be dubious, though. And based on what we know thus far, those on the right who have rushed to make such claims are ignoring the one silver lining of this sorrowful situation. As Chief Brown has said, it’s unclear what motivated the shooter, and the reasons he cited can never qualify as grounds for murder. But it was clear, even amid the chaos in Dallas, that these officers were motivated by a genuine commitment to serve and protect the public—including the protesters they welcomed yesterday afternoon and whom five officers would die defending later that night.

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  • WUSRPH

    As I noted elsewhere, Abbott’s remarks were in total contrast to Patrick’s attempt to use the situation for a political attack. Abbott was dignified. Patrick was, sadly, himself.

    Even Trump’s comments, despite the use of the Nixonian code words, were appropriate to the situation altho he failed to mention how those two Black men happened to die.

    Newt Gingrich, unlike the Sarah Palins and my own congressman, refused to blame it on the protestors but pointed out that most White Americans do not know what it is like to be Black in this country. Sometimes you almost have to like him.

    • WUSRPH

      http://tinyurl.com/gwd6nj6

       The link, above, shows that, contrary to what the alarmists and racists would have us believe, the number of police officers killed on the job has been declining for years.

      • John Bernard Books

        The number of police officers deaths have declined because of better policing tactics, training, equipment etc. anyone with a smidgen of common sense would be able to reason that.

        • Sam Jacinto

          So it was “the surge” that made things better? /sarcasm/

      • dman1000

        USA Today – 26 police killed so far in 2016, up 44% from 2015
        http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/07/08/nationwide-police-shooting-deaths/86861082/

        • WUSRPH

          A basic question whenever you use %ages is:

          Percentage of WHAT?

          44% sounds like a terrible large increase but when you convert it to the actual numbers, it is put into perspective. Even one is too many….but it is a dangerous profession….

          Plus nothing in your story shows any connection to any “war on police” by Blacks or any other specific group. And, according to my posts, it used to be a much more dangerous one in the good old days than it is now.

          • dman1000
          • WUSRPH

            44% of what? 44% of 10,000 is a lot. 44% of in this case represents only 8 more deaths. Not exactly an explosion of killings. . There are more than 800,0000 law enforcement officers in the U.S. 26 shot to death so far this year is a very, very small percentage. (0.000325% in fact) One is one too many…….but there is hardly an explosion of cop killing going on….

          • dman1000

            I never said it was an explosion. As you said, ONE is too many. The question is, is the anti-police rhetoric driving any increase? If so, it is too much, since as you said, one is too many.

          • WUSRPH

            But you tried to make it seem like it was a lot more than it is by using the percentage increase instead of the real numbers. As to anti-police rhetoric…..Is it anti-police to complain about shootings of young black men by law officers in questionable circumstances? Here are a few statistics for another PERSPECTIVE:

            Police killed at least 102 unarmed black people in 2015, nearly twice each week. (See which police departments were responsible for these deaths)

            Nearly 1 in 3 black people killed by police in 2015 were identified as unarmed, though the actual number is likely higher due to underreporting

            37% of unarmed people killed by police were black in 2015 despite black people being only 13% of the U.S. population

            Unarmed black people were killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites in 2015

            http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/

            One unarmed black…..if innocent….is also one too many.

          • dman1000

            You didn’t answer my question.

          • WUSRPH

            I don’t know if “anti-police” rhetoric is “driving” the small increase in the number of officers shot to death on duty. It could be. It may be. But the killing of blacks by police in questionable circumstances could also have something to do with it. From what the police report, the Dallas shooter appears to have wanted revenge for those killings….Both are things we must lament. Both are things we must try to find ways to fix.

            Txassim, above, says why aren’t we talking about what to do about it. I agree….What are your suggestions? Gun control? Better police training? Something less simple and more doable?

            One thing I know, inflaming public opinion by inflating the number of police being shot by presenting it in a way that makes the situation sound much, much worse than it is…is not one of those solutions.

          • dman1000

            I agree. I would also say it does us no good when people jump to conclusions after the police are involved in a shooting before all the facts are in. When the police are truly in the wrong they should be held accountable.
            I think the best way to improve the situation is to get more minorities into the police force, including in positions of authority, like Dallas Police Chief Brown. Unfortunately we seem to be in a viscous cycle where the anti police rhetoric is pushing people to turn away from the police instead of joining with them to make it better for all of us.

          • José

            Let’s look at the statistics some more. We are about 27 weeks into the year. In 2015 there were 41 deaths for the entire year. Prorated that averages out to 21 killings over 27 weeks. Yes, 2016 is currently ahead of last year’s rate but we could end up the year with fewer deaths. Easily. And how about 2007, back during the Bush-Cheney administration? That year recorded 70 deaths, which averages out to 36 over a 27 week period. Like WU says, these kind of numbers can jump around a lot. Statistically speaking this year really doesn’t appear out if whack at all. To cite figures like “a 44% increase”!!! is awfully misleading because some poor fool might think that they actually lead to a solid conclusion, and they don’t.
            A few questions for you, friend:
            1. This “anti police rhetoric” that you keep mentioning. What exactly is being said and who is saying it? Do you mean the statements from President Obama? Congressional leaders? Other government and civic leaders? BLM spokespeople? Everything I recall hearing from these folks is very evenhanded. What are some examples of comments from respected black leaders that you find to be most inflammatory?
            2. How about anti-protest rhetoric? There certainly seems to be a good amount of that! How dies that affect the overall problem of tension between law enforcement and minorities?
            3. Re: “the anti police rhetoric is pushing people to turn away from the police”. Did the BLM demonstrators in Dallas turn away from the police before the gathering? During? After? In what way?
            4. Re: “When the police are truly in the wrong they should be held accountable.” Are you satisfied that police are held accountable today? The most severe common punishment today is being fired, and many times the officer is able to get a job in another department whereas the victim, of course, remains dead. Do you think that police were held accountable in the past, in the days before video reviewing, when many black people were harmed or even killed by police but the officers typically were exonerated because people more likely trusted their word over the crazy story of a poor, whiny, uneducated, disheveled black? Do you think that police are more likely or less likely to abuse minorities now that a growing number of people are watching and commenting?
            Looking forward to your informative reply. Thank you!

          • dman1000

            I was going to let this lie, but today’s events made me reconsider.
            Examples of anti-police rhetoric would include just about any reference to police officers ‘murdering” blacks. This implies that the police are purposely going out to kill these people. The definition of murder is “the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.”
            Examples – “When we’re hearing reports that every 28 hours, a black person is murdered by police, it feels like we’re in a war,” Black Lives Matter activist Cherno Biko. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426702/police-killings-black-men
            Rise Up October organized protests in New York City last October. The group complained about “the rampant epidemic of police murder . . . happening all over this country” http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426702/police-killings-black-men

            Even when the term murder isn’t explicitly used it is implied in many statements made against the police in these cases.

          • José

            I guess that “unjustifiable homicide and abuse of authority” is more accurate but also more clumsy off the tongue. I’m also guessing–just a guess, now–that you are nowhere near as insistent on 100% technical accuracy of everything said by those folks who you might support.

            But onward. There are numerous incidents of police officers who harass, assault, and even kill people without apparent justification, and it’s often against blacks and other minorities at rates higher than one would predict. While no one claims that all cops are guilty, or even a majority of them, this is clearly more than just one or two isolated incidents. Despite the calls of attention these crimes persist, again and again and again. Yet according to you the problem is that people use imprecise language when they complain about their friends and family being killed? As opposed to, say, the unjustifiable killing in the first place? That’s pretty warped.

    • wessexmom

      Abbott wasn’t impressive in the least–ANYONE looks dignified in comparison with Patrick. To my ears, the governor’s tone bordered on strident, even defiant. His remarks were just a string of one grandiose insensitive, somewhat defensive statement after another-just in case this horrible tragedy might end up reflecting poorly on him! It was all about how TEXAS TEXAS TEXAS will not be affected AT ALL by this! Tell THAT to the families of those slain officers, Governor!

      Watching Abbott on the speakers’ platform next to the genuine and gracious Dallas mayor Mike Rawlings made me wish with all my heart that Rawlings was our governor, instead of the cold stiff fish Abbott who accepted a campaign “contribution” from Trump in exchange for snuffing out the Trump U investigation and who panders to the wing nuts, gun nuts and Jade Helm crazies on the right. Let’s elect
      MIKE RAWLINGS–A TRUE TEXAN–FOR GOVERNOR IN 2018!

      • WUSRPH

        I was alone referring to Abbott’s statement that night…not to anything he has done or said since. I suspect that, after a few days, he will begin following Patrick’s tone, but, at least, at the immediate time he or his staff issued a uniting, not a dividing, plea.

        • wessexmom

          I too was referring to Abbott’s statement that night, which was strident and defiant in tone.

  • donuthin2

    Thank you for your reasoned post.

  • Unwound

    dan patrick is a garbage human. in other news, water wet, sky blue.

  • GAA

    What did you think would happen America? The systematic killing of Colored people in America by the “System” will result in home grown terrorist attacks like the one last night. Hatred, bigotry, injustice and easy access to high powered fire arms is a recipe for tragedies. Let me make a prediction and say it will get worse and maybe in 50 years when there is true equal opportunity we will not have to worry about mass shootings.

    • WUSRPH

      Similar warnings, threats and predictions were made in 1918, 1945 and 1968 when thousands of blacks, now fully trained as soldiers, returned to America after fighting for “freedom and democracy” somewhere else to find they did not have it at home. Each time some fearful Whites warned of the consequences of training Black men in how to use modern weapons….each time a handful followed that path….but each time wiser men refused to take up arms but took up protests instead and finally won at least the legal rights supposedly guaranteed to all Americans. One can only hope that the same happens today.

      • John Bernard Books

        “Each time some fearful Whites warned of the consequences of training Black men in how to use modern weapons….each time a handful followed that path.”
        I’m betting dems and their fear mongering.

  • Sam Jacinto

    We could excuse patrick for his blubbering considering the toxic forum he used. On second thought, nah. Just for grins (and because Jon Stewart doesn’t anymore) I sometimes sample the Faux News Channel to check on their fairness (and balance). They and their ‘contributors’ began blaming BLM (and, surprise!, Obama) within only minutes after last night’s atrocity. patrick, paxton, digit(DJT) et al are some of the results of a steady diet of such unbalanced fare. I’m interested to see how digit(DJT) frames this without a written statement by one of his lackeys. I’ll slap myself later, but I must agree that Gingrich sounded quite reasonable.

    • wessexmom

      As Gingrich often does–until he doesn’t. He’s as slimy and sleazy and slippery as Trump. They’re made for each other. Has there ever been such a pair of hideous old goats in an election? The ICK factor is overwhelming.

      • John Bernard Books

        Lots of anger here.

        • wessexmom

          The truth hurts. Gingrich is every bit the scam artist Trump is; He’s just a lot more articulate and skillful at faking empathy and intelligence. Newt IS a gross mooch and a sleazebag who cheated on and then left his wife who had cancer. He’s NEVER done an honest day’s work in his entire life!

  • BCinBCS

    Dan Patrick ==> RWNJ

  • roadgeek

    I had told my wife several days ago that neither of the shootings in Baton Rouge or Minneapolis looked righteous, based on the slight evidence I’d seen. I’d told her that sympathy was beginning to build among whites for the problems blacks have interacting with police, and that perhaps BLM had a point.

    After last night all that went out the window. Put me and my wife solidly in the camp of “could not care less” about blacks and their problems with police or about blacks period. Police, you see, are all that stands between civilized society and anarchy, and they deserve our support. Yes, law enforcement has its problems, with a lack of accountability and a trend toward revenue-generation the biggest among others, but at the end of the day I still support the cops. The video of the blacks dancing in a celebratory fashion after the shootings (filmed in Dallas and available for viewing at the Daily Mail) told me all I needed to know about blacks and how concerned they are about getting along with the police.

    Oh, and this is driving voters into the Trump camp in droves. He’s seen as the white candidate, and Hillary is seen as the black candidate. People make that distinction in their mind, and it was set in cement last night.

    My favorite part about the Obama Administration is all the racial healing.

    • Sam Jacinto

      So you are going to condemn an entire race because of one murderer and several knuckleheads?? I saw the scene on TV as it happened. Tensions were not high – some of the cops were mingling in the crowd talking to the stranded people (no trains or buses and many cars in behind the tape lots). If they were “celebrating” what was the reason? There will always be knuckleheads – how many digit(DJT) rally attendees celebrate outrageous behavior? You likely grew up long ago and pretend you are not racist, but your comments about ‘the blacks’ sort of drops the shields. You should read what Newtie said and try to stretch your mind a little.

      Maybe there could be a little racial healing without all the Faux News (and other Murdoch properties) 24 hour incendiary drumbeats fueling digit’s base. The root of the visceral opposition to Obama lies in the fact that his father was Kenyan. To put it more directly – it’s racist.

      • roadgeek

        Racist? That word no longer means anything, due to overuse. The shooter in Dallas was racist also, of course, but I see no mention of that fact in your response, only the usual bleating about “racial healing”.

        • Sam Jacinto

          Really? These are the same tactics used by Faux News – condemn because of something not said, deflect a response as non-responsive.

          You, sir, brought up racial healing – I responded. Was the shooter racist? His actions seem to have been based on animus toward a particular race, so yes he was. But that was not the point.

          You have condemned an entire race because of the actions of a few and pre-conceived notions about a group. In a response to another post, you used a variation of the “some of my friends are black” explanation. You should really take some time to reflect about the fact that “those people” are equal to you.

    • wessexmom

      Well, guess what? White voters no longer determine elections in this country. So if you’re going with the “white” candidate you will lose to the rest of us who will be voting for the candidate running for “ALL AMERICANS” Hillary Clinton!

      The fact that you would withdraw your sympathy for the black Americans killed by reckless police based on the actions of a crazed lone wolf killer who had no affiliation with Black Lives Matter or any of the protestors exposes your very small very self-centered mindset.

      The killer of those fine officers in Dallas was in fact the same individual who shot Gabby Giffords, the children of Newton, CT, the soldiers of Ft Hood, the sorority girls in Santa Barbara, the patients at Planned Parenthood, and the LGBT crowd in Orlando–An alienated, mentally and emotionally disturbed young lone-wolf male struggling with issues of emasculation and dis-empowerment who has access to military grade assault weapons!

      • donuthin2

        well said. Thanks.

      • BCinBCS

        Bravo, Mom!

    • José

      Would that you be just as critical of the “the whites” as you are of “the blacks”.

      • roadgeek

        I’m not overly burdened with white guilt, if that’s what you’re getting at. I was at one time, but no longer. It’s liberating. I don’t dislike blacks, I just don’t care about them any longer. All my sympathy is quits. All my concern is done. I simply want to be left alone, to go about my business in peace.

        • WUSRPH

          So I guess you intend to withdraw into some isolated mountain valley somewhere so you can be left alone in peace. The rest of us, however, will not be able to join you in your hideaway. We have to be concerned about the problems of Blacks, Browns, Whites and all other colors of the spectrum as we have to live in the world TOGETHER.

          • roadgeek

            No withdrawal planned. I work with blacks, fine people all of them, and there are a few on my street. I’m simply done with worrying about their black-specific troubles, so many of which a) they inflict upon themselves and b) cause trouble for the rest of society.

          • SheDevil2016

            “Methinks thou doth protest too loudly.”

            — W. Shakespeare

          • Beerman

            Robert Kennedy, two months before he was assassinated:

            “When you teach a man to hate and fear his brother, when you teach that he is a lesser man because of his skin color or his beliefs or the policies he pursues, when you teach that those who differ from you threaten your freedom or your job or your family, then you also learn to confront others not as fellow citizens but as enemies….”

          • roadgeek

            Bobby Kennedy. Shot down in his prime by an adherent of the Religion of Peace.

          • Beerman

            Wikipedia: Sirhan was of Christianity beliefs.

            Sirhan Sirhan was born into a Palestinian Christian family[3][4] in Jerusalem, Mandatory Palestine. When he was 12 years old his family emigrated, moving briefly to New York and then to California. In Altadena, he attended Eliot Junior High School, followed by John Muir High School and Pasadena City College, both in Pasadena. Sirhan’s father, Bishara, was characterized as a stern man who often beat his sons harshly. Shortly after the family’s move to California, Bishara returned alone to the Middle East.[5] Sirhan never became an American citizen, retaining instead his Jordanian citizenship.[4]

            As an adult, Sirhan changed church denominations several times, joining Baptist and Seventh-day Adventist churches.[6] Then in 1966, he joined the occult organization Ancient Mystical Order of the Rose Cross, commonly known as Rosicrucians.[7]

            Geek, I think facts count, even if we hate them.

          • roadgeek

            Thank you for the correction; I should have checked first.

          • Beerman

            You are welcome.

          • WUSRPH

            Yes you should…because if Beerman had not corrected you a damning mistake that blamed an entire religion would have gone out on the web where it would have influenced the minds of others like you……As it is, many will not see the correction. You have just added to the list of lies about Muslims that is already too long.

          • roadgeek

            Oh, and you’re an apologist for Muslims, as well? It must be tiresome to have to trudge through life defending this religion and that ethnicity; that cause and this agenda. I apologize for no one but myself. I choose to let the record of the Religion of Peace stand on its own, which it does, admirably. The Religion of Peace demonstrated their peaceful intent in Florida several weeks ago, or had you forgotten? Of course, that event gave progressives a huge headache, as it involved the collision of two of their pet groups, the gays and the Muslims. An intersection that wasn’t supposed to happen.

          • WUSRPH

            I won’t apologize for Muslims or any other group. I will not, however, blame an entire religion, race, group or whatever for the acts of a few. That makes it too easy to justify hate…..but then you do that very easily as it is.

          • Beerman

            Islamopholic idiocy has created so much hate and fear in our Country. It has caused many to scream for “security” that would compromise basic civil rights. ISIS and Al-Qaida will win, if we give up those rights.

          • WUSRPH

            They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
            temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

            Benjamin Franklin

          • SheDevil2016

            Oh, you hate Muslims too!

          • roadgeek

            I don’t hate anyone. Hatred is corrosive and bitter. I do see Islam for what it is, however, which is totalitarianism masquerading as religion.

          • SheDevil2016

            But you wouldn’t want your daughter to marry one . . .

          • roadgeek

            No. If she wanted to, I’d sit with her and quietly point out the cultural differences that exist between the two groups of people, and ask if she’s prepared for that. And if she said she was, then I’d congratulate her and the groom and welcome him into my family. I wouldn’t like it, but like a great many family situations, I’d do my best to make it work. I don’t have a daughter, however, so it’s moot.

          • SheDevil2016

            if your daughter chose to marry a black man, she would know far more about black culture than you would. Spare her the lecture.

          • BCinBCS

            WUSRPH wrote: “So I guess you intend to withdraw into some isolated mountain valley somewhere…

            Probably Galt’s Gulch.

          • WUSRPH

            He couldn’t pass the entrance test. The Galt Gulchers, for all their faults, judged people on their individual characteristics. Geek judges them by their race.

          • BCinBCS

            W, you do have a point there.

        • José

          Being impartial is not the same thing as being burdened by guilt. Nice try, no dice.
          If you want to be left alone to go about your business in peace, might I suggest that you avoid political blogs on the Internet and especially refrain from posting statements there about how you don’t care about people dying. A lot of mamas and papas and sweethearts are sort of touchy about insensitive comments like that. It’s more polite to let them grieve. So just leave. Thank you.

    • Sacagewea

      Geek posts on AmRen.

      • roadgeek

        The horror.

        • SheDevil2016

          The hate.

        • SheDevil2016

          The hate.

          • roadgeek

            You may wallow in your ethno-masochism, if you like. Feel guilty for being white. I’m done with it, is all, although I don’t recall ever being ethnomasochistic to the degree that y’all are. Yes, we brought them here as slaves, and that was a bad thing. But the slaves were freed 150 years ago. The Civil Rights Act passed more than 50 years ago. The trillion dollars spent since The Great Society began has expiated whatever guilt I had.

          • WUSRPH

            Like most folks who spread “truths” without checking them…you forget that most of the money spent on the Great Society or the federal programs you are probably lumping into it that followed it. were spent for aid to NON-BLACKS. But, as with Bobby’s Killer, why let a fact ruin a good attack.

          • Beerman

            FYI, While some of the Great Society programs have been eliminated or had their funding reduced, many of them, including Medicare, Medicaid, the Older Americans Act and federal education funding, continue to the present. Incidentally, the Great Society’s programs expanded under the administrations of Republican presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford.

          • wessexmom

            Some of that Great Society “welfare” money is going in YOUR pocket!

          • SheDevil2016

            You’re the ethno-centrist. Didn’t you call domestic abuse “Hispanic foreplay”?

    • Beerman

      Trump, “seen as the white candidate” is only the beginning for the demagogue. It is astonishing that some voters can be so ignorant of the realities of DJT’s racism to think that he is not advocating an aryan nation. I am old enough to be aware of an entire nation that was infested with the contagion of an ever-present fear of minority people….Germany in the 1930’s and 40’s…..

  • Rules of Blazon

    The time has come for elected Republicans to show leadership by forcefully condemning those in their ranks (like Dannie Goeb) who have gone completely off the rails. Abbott’s statement could have been categorized as benign; in light of Dannie Goeb’s misconduct, though, Abbott’s statement is an inappropriate, tone-deaf, miserable failure.

  • John Bernard Books

    It is time for the “victims” to realize they’re merely pawns in the democrats play book. Dems use their “victims” to hold on to power by misinformation and promoting fear through their three tenets:
    1. racism
    2. misogyny
    3. homophobia

    To even suggest that the “black lives matter” organization is not culpable is laughable.
    “Some of the biggest donors on the left plan to meet behind closed doors next week in Washington with leaders of the Black Lives Matter movement and their allies to discuss funding the burgeoning protest movement, POLITICO has learned.
    And some major liberal donors are leery about funding a movement known for aggressive tactics ― particularly one that has shown a willingness to train its fire on Democrats, including presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.
    The Democracy Alliance was created in 2005 by a handful of major donors, including billionaire financier George Soros and Taco Bell heir Rob McKay to build a permanent infrastructure to advance liberal ideas and causes.”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/major-donors-consider-funding-black-lives-matter-215814#ixzz4DubteqGy

    Black lives matter is funded by Soros and friends and it is ok for the group to be aggressive and radical as long as their tactics are only directed at republicans and the police?

    Anybody who defends the group’s tactics is naive or stupid or both. Good to see Lt Guv Patrick calling out this group for their tactics.

  • John Bernard Books

    It appears the two officers pulled over Philando Castile because he was a robbery suspect and he was killed because he had a gun resting in his lap and was reaching for it.
    “Police officers in: Dallas, Tennessee, Missouri and Georgia have been Shot or killed in the past 24 hours as a result of a false narrative driven by the Black Lives Matter movement. It is important to get the truth out quickly.”
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/

    Facts those damn pesky facts have a way of exposing the democrat’s agenda.

    • Fantasy Maker

      Black Lies Matter

    • Sam Jacinto

      Shame on you JBB. I read the Daily Mail article. You should read the entire article before culling it to pull out justification for his stop for a broken tail light. Here are a couple of quotes,

      “The scale on which law enforcement seems to have stopped Castile will draw questions over whether the police have been even-handed when dealing with him.

      Castile had no criminal record whatsoever beyond the traffic offenses.”

      “Castile’s lengthy rap sheet for minor traffic violations will raise questions over whether police in Minnesota are targeting the black community to raise revenue.”

      Pesky facts have a way of eluding binary thinkers.

      • John Bernard Books

        Like the gun he was going for when shot?….yes pesky facts.

        • Sam Jacinto

          That’s actually not been proven a ‘fact’.The witness (shown on video as the guy lay dying) said he had told the officer he had a carry permit and he was going for his license as requested. She seemed pretty calm and credible – the officer not so much

          • John Bernard Books

            except he don’t be having no concealed carry permit….

          • Sam Jacinto

            JBB – use some legitimate sources, not your conservative noise machine.

            http://www.startribune.com/philando-castile-had-permit-to-carry-gun/386054481/

          • John Bernard Books

            SJ we get it the thugs are the good guys and “the authorities” are the enemy….

          • Sam Jacinto

            A stellar example of binary thinking.

          • John Bernard Books

            A stellar example of an emotional thinker.

          • CissyRenee

            I’m a tough old broad who has lived at least 4 lives in my half century and this is what I know – people like you scare the hell out of me and those of your ‘mindset’ will end this world one day.

          • Beerman

            Wow, you punched the Troll right in the nose.

          • wessexmom

            Read the damn link and THEN comment.

          • wessexmom

            Except he actually DO be having one, dumb dumb!

  • John Bernard Books

    Here’s the problem
    “A lead organizer of the anti-police brutality protest in Dallas who was saying “God damn White America” hours before the deadly ambush on police officers”
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/07/08/kelly-dallas-protest-organizer-do-you-regret-making-anti-white-statements-attack

    He needs to be held accountable. His incendiary rhetoric is to blame.

    • Sam Jacinto

      JBB again slicing and dicing. It was a white guy (a minister) who said that, and he explained what he meant by that. Context matters.

      • John Bernard Books

        Who said he wasn’t white. He’s simply a liberal full of hate with an agenda….

  • Fantasy Maker

    Why do people always jump to conclusions when they see some video on TV? What you do NOT see is the preceding 20 or 30 seconds that put everything into context.

    • grubber

      And you have seen the preceding 20-30 seconds?

      • Fantasy Maker

        No, I have not which is why I am not drawing any conclusions you half wit

        • SheDevil2016

          Tempermental language.

          • Fantasy Maker

            Better go find your safety zone

          • SheDevil2016

            You have anger management problems.

  • Sacagewea

    Abbott was weak and pettish. Patrick is a madman.

    Texas is not well-represented by her governance.

  • Sacagewea

    Dozens of well-trained “good guys with guns” were not able to stop one bad guy with a gun. A robot did.

    Wayne LaPierre, the NRA, and the gun lobby are conspicuously silent in the aftermath of this tragedy.

    • BCinBCS

      Sac, I’ve been holding back from saying that exact thing.

      Combine the ever-presence of guns in Chicago and you now have one of the safest cities in the country. /snark/

      One of the problems with the Dallas shooter is that he completely eviscerated just about every NRA claim for the necessity of guns.
      .

      • WUSRPH

        Did you see where the DPD sent out an alert on a participant in the parade who was “exercising his constitutional right” to carry a long-arm in Texas? What could have happened to that poor guy if anxious cops had come upon him in the middle of the shooting?

        • Wesley TX

          that is exactly why that guy’s brother told him to give that gun to an officer, which he did.

          • wessexmom

            What if his brother wasn’t there to warn him? The reason the black guy in Minnesota was killed is because he had a gun, a legally permitted one. Do black Americans not have a right to THEIR second amendments?
            Guns, military grade weapons in particular, are at the root of most of the evil in this country right now-They ARE the common denominator!

          • Wesley TX

            I just wonder why the NRA isn’t all over this, a licensed to carry gun owner killed by a police officer.

          • BCinBCS

            Yes, Wesley, good question. Why is that?

          • Wesley TX

            I don’t belong to the NRA, you’d have to ask them. 😎

          • BCinBCS

            Wes, my question was rhetorical and mostly facetious, although from your emoticon, I suspect that you got that. 🙂

            Their “good guy with a gun is necessary to stop a bad guy with a gun”, “an armed society is a polite society”, “more guns make it safer”, “there will be no problems with law enforcement when everyone carries” and “gun possession can stop the government” arguments are all out the window after the Minnesota shooting, the Dallas shooter and the ensuing march.

          • SheDevil2016

            Because the NRA’s “good guy with a gun” theory just turned to dog poo . . .

          • don76550

            The gun in Minnesota had a criminal record, therefore could not legally carry. I carry, have had encounters with officers with no problems. It is helpful to not be a flaming jerk. Blacks do not seem to understand that.

          • Wesley TX

            If he had a CCW License as he was reported to have then he could indeed legally carry. I did not hear a retraction that said he did not have a CCW License.

      • don76550

        Not true at all. Incidently since the courts forced Chicago to allow lawful concealed carry, many citizens have successfully defended against criminal attack.

    • don76550

      Actually several mass shooting have indeed been nipped in the bud by a good gun with a gun

  • SheDevil2016

    Violence against blacks by police is higher than against whites . . . . . .

    Today’s NYT:

    ‘The vast majority of interactions between police officers and civilians end routinely, with no one injured, no one aggrieved and no one making the headlines. But when force is used, a new study has found, ~ the race of the person being stopped by officers is significant.~

    The study of thousands of use-of-force episodes from police departments across the nation has concluded what many people have long thought, but which could not be proved because of a lack of data: African-Americans are far more likely than whites and other groups to be the victims of use of force by the police, even when racial disparities in crime are taken into account.

    The report, to be released Friday by the Center for Policing Equity, a New York-based think tank, took three years to assemble and largely refutes explanations from some police officials that blacks are more likely to be subjected to police force because they are more frequently involved in criminal activity.

    The researchers said they did not gather enough data specifically related to police shootings to draw conclusions on whether there were racial disparities when it came to the fatal confrontations between officers and civilians so in the news.”
    ..

  • WUSRPH

    One of the saddest aspects of these killings, especially the one in Baton Rouge, is that it brings back concerns expressed by police officers all across the country about the dangers they saw in more and more Americans carrying guns. (In case you did not know, the “victim” in Louisiana was a licensed gun owner, the kind the NRA loves, who was carrying his legal weapon.)
    Time after time, police officials testifying on “gun rights” bills have raised the fear of “how are we going to know in a split second who is a “good guy with a gun” and who is a “bad guy”?” What is horrible about this case, is perhaps we had just such a case here where an office seeing a man with a gun answered that question incorrectly with a deadly result. Legislators throughout the land refused to listen to the police in the past. Maybe events like this one will make them more receptive in the future.

    • BCinBCS

      WUSRPH wrote: “Legislators throughout the land refused to listen to the police in the past. Maybe events like this one will make them more receptive in the future.

      Not a snowball’s chance.
      .

    • Beerman

      Well expressed and a very timely point. However, reason left the NRA many moons ago.

      • Wilson James

        Me, too.

    • Sam Jacinto

      The only thing that will make legislators more receptive is when they get more money from gun control groups than they get from the NRA

      • WUSRPH

        It isn’t the money they get from the NRA and/or the TRA or any of the gun nuts groups, it is VOTES that single-issue gun “rights” fanatics cast in tight election contests that influence and frighten legislators. What happened in Colorado where state senators who pushed for gun controls were “recalled” and removed from office by a small group is something in the back of the mind of far too many legislators. As I have to keep reminding myself—-as an old member of the Texas House once told me—“it is easy for you to be ‘pure’….you don’t have to go home and explain your vote.”

        • Sam Jacinto

          You are correct. My post was too simplistic. Those votes are influenced by the pernicious effects of money, i.e., NRA advertising, PAC, and GOTV. The other side has to spend more and influence more people to vote. 2d amendment purist voters turn out, even though they represent a minority of the general public.

          • WUSRPH

            What is striking is the figures that show that, in fact, FEWER Americans have guns in their homes today but there are more guns than ever. A smaller group is armed better.

        • wessexmom

          I’ve been reading that too, but according to this excellent article by Sarah Ellison in VF the group does get a tremendous amount of money from mfrs.
          http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/the-civil-war-that-could-doom-the-nra?mbid=social_twitter

  • Beerman

    Our U.S. Congress, the State legislatures (Led by politicians like Abbott & Patrick) and the politics of austerity have contributed to this problem. Pitiful government services (caused by the mindset of cut-cut-cut, and no new taxes), mixed with poverty and lack of opportunity for many minority groups have created this backlash. It is breeding grounds for revolution, terrorism and chaos. These conditions always have and always will create unrest.

    Somehow, reason and wisdom in our governance must prevail.

  • WUSRPH

  • WUSRPH

    • John Bernard Books

      Who taught you bigot

  • txasslm

    This is a fascinating bunch of comments. Unfortunately it’s not too different in tenor than most here.

    Do any of you do anything in your life other than casting blame? (And if you do, how has that
    worked out? Has it made you feel better, cleaner, more whole?)

    Some may say, well, we are only pointing out who’s responsible for our society’s ills. So? What’s that get us? I understand the value of history’s lessons as a guide to a better future; and I am not suggesting history be silenced or ignored. I’m suggesting only that the future is more important – not to mention, available – and deserves a more serious take than it’s getting.

    Instead of condemnation and reprobation, why aren’t there more comments with resolution and ideas to enhance people’s opportunities? Get off your righteous soapboxes of why life is wrong. Tell us what will make life better.

    In other words, less typing and more thinking.

    • WUSRPH

      I agree it would be good if we could spend some time on possible solutions…..but since you advocate that…..how about some of your own ideas?
      How about some degree of gun control? Better police training? Or, here is a simple one, encourage politicians and the media not to feed and inflame fears by stories such as the one cited by dman1000, below, in which a headline cites a 44% increase in police deaths by shooting over last year when, in reality, the number is up 8 to 26 compared to 18 last year. Of course, one is too many……but considering that there more than 900,000 law enforcement officers in this country, 26 deaths clearly does not justify the fear that using 44% creates. Using a little perspective might help clam things down a bit.

    • Sam Jacinto

      OK – here’s one. Why do we have so many police departments? In Dallas County alone, every city has one, most school districts and colleges have one, DART, each constable has his own fiefdom, Sheriff’s department, etc. It’s inconceivable that every one of them can adhere to consistently rigorous standards of fitness and training. Each also is subject to various levels of political machinations.

      I get the idea of local control and that’s the way we’ve always done it , but why not consolidate at the county level? That retains local control, yet eliminates duplication of effort and standardizes training. It also could eliminate budget problems and enforcement as revenue.

      In order to solve our most pernicious problems, incremental change will never work. We must be bold and innovative.

      • SheDevil2016

        After the era of “metropolitan reform,” consolidation of big city police departments was considered to be more cost effective, efficient, and honest. Subsequent studies indicated that smaller departments with police that citizens recognize and relate to are more successful than mega departments. Community policing arose from that research and has had some success in departments that utilize it.

        Problems arise when some small communities use traffic stops to fund most of their activities. Poor communities are hard hit financially by speeding tickets, broken tail lights, and fines for failure to show. You can’t squeeze blood from a turnip.

        Most of us know that Darryl Wilson was not charged in the shooting of Michael Brown. Fewer of us acknowledge the subsequent report on Ferguson’s financial extortion of her citizens.

        We can continue to chafe at the festering wound in our society or we can attempt to heal ourselves. The choice is ours.

    • John Bernard Books

      Who pushes hate more than dems? Their three tenets are:
      1. racism(hate)
      2. misogynist(hate)
      3 homophobia(hate)

      Do I need to throw class warfare in…….

    • José

      I was raised in an environment where it was normal to label people by their racial and ethnic characteristics. I knew more n***** jokes than I knew actual black people. Brown people routinely referred to the whites as gringos, and whites talked about the Mexicans. That upbringing shaped my thinking permanently. Today, decades later, when I see a person on the street my mind immediately categorizes them in that way. It embarrasses me.
      While I can’t rid myself of these deep seated prejudices inside my head, I can change myself outwardly, the way I act and what I say. More importantly I vowed not teach my kids the same things that I learned, not just about race and ethnicity but also religion, gender, and even sexual orientation. It has been hugely successful. And it seems that a lot of their friend grew up the same way. Some traditionalists complain that by studiously avoiding labels our society has become enslaved to political correctness. Whatever. All I know is that my kids’ generation is much less prejudiced than my generation, they have much healthier attitudes about others, and that makes me optimistic for the future. This kind of change takes time but thank God it’s coming.

  • John Bernard Books

    This is wrong in so many ways, the US Atty Gen giving out a dog whistle to protestors.
    “Attorney General Loretta Lynch on Friday encouraged protesters not to allow the “heinous violence” that occurred in Dallas to silence their “important” voices.”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/loretta-lynch-dallas-shooting-225296#ixzz4Dzn2qXkQ

    TM instead of attacking Lt Guv Patrick why not show democrats pushing their agenda?

  • John Bernard Books

    Contrast this message with Obama’s message to young black males

  • John Bernard Books

    Stop the hatred dems
    “But the Times has its own label for the Republican nominee: “racist.””
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2596017

    Dems know their three tenets
    1. racist
    2. misogynist
    3. homophobic
    is extremely effective with the low information voter. Some times causing them to go off the rails and murdering our police officers, slaughtering children and others.

    • Sam Jacinto

      1. blah
      2. blah
      3. and blah

  • WUSRPH

    http://www.newsweek.com/us-gun-ownership-declines-312822

     Something to think about. Gun ownership in the US is actually DOWN. Fewer people own guns than in the past. What is different is that a smaller group of people own more guns. (Per capita figures distort the picture since they simply divide the number of guns by the number of people. On that basis it would appear that more people own guns, when, in reality, it is less people with more guns.)

  • WUSRPH

    http://tinyurl.com/jupdnlg 

    On a totally different subject, JJ and The Donald like to tell us that Trump must be something special since he got more votes in the GOP primaries than any candidate in GOP History. Sounds impressive and it is partly true, but, like most claims by Trump, it is wrong when put into perspective. Yes, he got 13 million votes. Yes that the was the most in GOP history (Hillary got 15 million, by the way) BUT he overlooks the fact that more people voted in the GOP primaries because there were MORE primaries to vote in. As such, it is another example of “percentage of what?”.

    • José

      Statistics are fun! It is also true that Trump will be the first presidential candidate in history who was rejected by 15 million primary voters.

      • WUSRPH

        As a wise man or woman, just who is in dispute, once said:
        There are three kinds of lies. Lies, damn lies and statistics.

  • Jackson

    The traditionalist point of view put forth by many people in these comments will gradually fade away in our society as they die, their expiration simply one facet of the complex and organic process called “progress.” As the Dan Patricks and Ken Paxtons die of natural/unnatural causes, their biases become less prevalent on the macro scale, and more tolerant and sensible ideas of humanity are allowed to flourish, in much the same way that when an elephant eats the nutritious lining of and subsequently kills a large tree that throws a lot of shade on the savannah floor below, smaller, younger, fresher trees are then able to grow in the suddenly-sunny space.

    The frustrating aspect of this process, though, is that it does not move fast enough in the societal ecology. This has a lot to do with the fact that traditionalist ideas are passed down to offspring, who dutifully exemplify the ideals of “whiteness” or “blackness” as they were taught them, either in everyday life by exhibiting certain prejudices in casual conversation, or in their professional lives by working for the Sam Brownback and Sid Millers of the world, ultimately resulting in a situation whereby their professional success is contingent upon their level of traditional/conservative purity. When obstinacy and prejudice are incentivized, trouble results, especially in the public sphere. In such a manner do dead trees remain upright longer than they need to. It is important to note that “blackness” lacks the institutional representation that white privilege does, exacerbating the disparity between opportunity and representation.

    I like to think that I speak for a lot of moderate Caucasians when I say that having more melatonin than a human being whose gene pool tilts European should not qualify you for exceptional treatment and standing in American society; that said, in absolutely no way should it automatically place you in a position where not even a concealed carry license holder in an utterly non-threatening position during an interaction with law enforcement does not receive the benefit of the doubt, but instead receives several rounds from a service revolver into his body. That is a situation that the possessor of less melatonin has no experience with, and as a result, should disqualify him/her from siding with law enforcement when all data points to the FACT that the person with more melatonin is more likely to be shot to death by a cop than the person with less.

    Maybe the solution to all of this is to paint a Dan Patrick or “Fantasy Maker” in blackface and send them out into the world with a handgun. It would be an interesting experiment, and I’m fairly certain the inevitable results would force even the most obdurate of less-melatonin-possessors to pause for thought.

    Time is to Conventional Privilege as Elephant is to Tree…. which explains all the caterwauling from the Right.

    But you can’t fight it forever, my conservative white friends. Time has the structural advantage.

    • WUSRPH

      I wish I had as strong of a belief in “progress” being the natural order as you do. It may be that way in the end, but there are far too many backward slides throughout history for my taste. Based on the outcome of this election, we could well be on the verge of another “one step backward” epoch. At one time some philosopher-types entertained the idea of the “ultimate perfectibility of man” but the more I study history the less I expect that to happen….at least on this side of existence (maybe if there is another side).

      • Jackson

        Perhaps, but, as populations become more dense, skepticism of Perpetual Progress points toward the ultimate need for a more actively-involved state than I want to believe is necessary. And I don’t think the notion of progress as the natural order requires that man become perfect, either; just that s/he become truly conscious of what documents like the Declaration of Independence say, and applying those thoughts to broader society and one’s place within it. That might be asking a lot, I know, but I consider it to be a few notches below perfectibility to be capable of elementary ratiocination, empathy, and perspective. Cuts to the public school system, it should be noted, do not advance the model of Perpetual Progress, and in this small example we can view the entirety of the contents of political philosophy.

        Your point on well-documented steps backward is of course true (history is not clean, nor its relationship with progress perfectly linear); lynching was a common occurrence in these parts not too terribly long ago, and then there were outlier instances in the decades that followed, but gradually, it became extinct. I know that might seem like an extreme example, but viewpoints change, and they primarily change as members of older generations die. In the end, steps backward during the ’60s and 70s notwithstanding, lynching was left behind. If someone were to do something like that today, the DOJ would be there faster than a Ken Paxton hand darting for a Mont Blanch of dubious ownership in a courthouse metal detector tray (Yes, Republicans, I know that he’s YOUR Attorney General.).

        If Trump does get elected, though, then it really might be time to consider living in a country where the possibility of progress isn’t as hampered by white privilege and entitlement, nor racial tensions overall. Away for good from a country where recently-empowered white males, most older, some younger, all unintelligent and disproportionate purveyors of Dodge Ram 3500s and Golds Gyms, roam the streets with handguns and Bushmasters at the ready, just itching to be slighted so they can exercise their constitutional rights. That doesn’t sound like a desirable country to me, nor one I would want my children growing up in it.

        The most recent and glaring example of a step backward that I’ve seen at the state level, I want to add, was moving from a 2/3 vote to a 3/5 in order to suspend the rules for taking a bill out of order. It was bad enough that a man who’d convinced millions of uninformed people over the airwaves that they were informed and sophisticated was the Lt. Governor, but then when Republicans decided to procedurally render the minority party impotent, the tyranny of demagoguery in the upper chamber was formalized. The Republican Party of Texas became moribund the day that Huffines unseated Carona, Bob Hall beat Deuell, and Paul Bettencourt brought his own radio schtick to Austin.

  • WUSRPH

    One striking thing about what has happened since Thursday night is what has not happened—-Trump has not said something really offensive. Either he is more sensitive than all his past actions have given anyone any reason to believe OR they are keeping him locked up and away from any device that might record his remarks. The only partial slip was his use of the Nixonian code “Law and Order” in his written statement…..since then virtually nothing. Of course, he will slip off the lease eventually and say something that will make his handlers shiver.

    • wessexmom

      Anyone who has lived in NYC recognizes DON THE CON for what he is–a dumb NYC thug and bully.

      • John Bernard Books

        I’ll take Trump over your thug/bully Sharpton. Now there is a real con man.

        • wessexmom

          Then take Mafia Don AWAY from us, please!
          (The only one talking about Sharpton is you.)

  • WUSRPH

    Thinking about guns this weekend…as many people must have been doing…made me remember that buried deep in one of the federal court
    decisions on guns is a suggestion that, if implemented, might go a long way
    toward making life around guns a little less dangerous. The suggestion is that, if we were to adopt a “strict interpretation” …”original intent” and “words as they meant them at the time” approach that the late Justice Scalia and people like Ted Cruz are always advocating to the 2nd Amendment it might outlaw the possession of all these semi-automatic, multiple round capacity handguns and long guns that make it so much easier to kill more people in a short time. Instead, it would limit guns in private hands to the old single shot, muzzle loading pistols and long guns in use in 1789. That could happen if the SCOTUS were to adopt the suggestion in the so-called Miller case that the fire arms allowed by the 2nd Amendment are those kinds of weapons “in common use at the time” the 2nd Amendment was adopted. (Scalia, in fact, referred to the Miller comment in suggesting that certain kinds of weapons could be banned under the 2nd Amendment in his Heller opinion.)

    Think of it. The gunman in Dallas would, at best have been able to shoot one cop…not five or more before having to reload. Similarly, the officer in Minnesota would not have been able to shoot the car driver four times in a matter of seconds, but would only have gotten off one shot, which might not have killed him. Or perhaps, since his first shot was apparently a miss, Oswald might not have been able to kill JFK.

    Of course, it will never happen…..but what would be wrong just this once in interpreting the constitution the way Ted Cruz says it should be?

    • Sam Jacinto

      Original intent would also be found in reading the amendment in its entirety, and in the context of 18th century use. “to keep and bear arms” clearly refers to the right organized, regulated, and trained militia to maintain armories and have the right to use their contents.

    • don76550

      Then I am sure you would also agree the news media should be limited to quill pens and ink wells. We need laws to curtail the mendacious liberal assault media.

      • WUSRPH

        No, but you could argue that, if we are to cover only what was covered in 1789, that only the print media (pamphleteers and newspapers, etc.) have any constitutional protection. Actually, there are many times when I as an old “print media” veteran would think restricting the “electronic media” might have been a good idea….especially when their faster method of delivering the news cost me a scoop.

  • WUSRPH

    Well, I knew it could not last. Trump just could not control himself and had to break his silence:

    “Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, directed blame at Obama and the presumptive Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton.

    Citing the president’s claim on Saturday that the country is not as divided as some suggest, Trump countered that Obama is “living in a world of the make believe.”

    “Look what is happening to our country under the WEAK leadership of Obama and people like Crooked Hillary Clinton,” Trump tweeted Sunday morning. “We are a divided nation!”

    • Wilson James

      Anyone, left or right, has to recognize that Trump is a joke, unelectable and a flipping moron.

      • John Bernard Books

        and Hillary is a pillar of virtue?

  • John Johnson

    I have been on a horse’s back this last week for 80 miles through Yellowstone…no cell service, no tube, no reports of murder, mayhem and social unrest. Five minutes after reaching the trailhead, I caught wind I of the Dallas massacre. It made me sick.

    As far as I know, this Black Lives Matter movement started with some rich black kid at the University of Missouri raising hell about a drive-by yelling of the N word on campus and someone scrawling the same on a bathroom wall with feces. Am I wrong?

    This all started months before with the Furgeson riots. Obama then sent Sharpton to town as his emissary. He is the WPE.

    We are headed for civil war.

    What am I, as an old white guy, supposed to do to head this off? Tell me. Adopt a black child living with an old grandparent who can’t control their actions? Try and become a father figure to kids who have never known one?

    Tell me what I can do to address this horrible problem. I promise you, I will do my part.

    It starts in the schools. Demanding that kids with no basic platform for learning, and no one at home to encourage and discipline them to achieve more than they did, should hang in there and tackle courses like Algebra II is goofy. They drop out.

    I want to know what radical black America expects from me. Please tell me. I hear you screaming, but what do you expect?

    The old parable about giving fish and teaching to fish comes to mind. Tell me what I am seeing wrong.

    • AlmostNormalTexan

      Realize that you can’t allow black Americans to participate fully in civil society after hundreds of years of discrimination and chattel slavery and then, only 50 years later, claim that their problems should have all gone away by now and if they haven’t it’s their own fault.

      Realize that black Americans are not born getting a fair shake in life. Remember Freddie Gray? He grew up in a housing project where lead paint fell like snow, got a meager settlement that he was scammed out of and then died an undignified death in the back of a police van. Remember those kids in Flint (mostly black) whose development was permanently stunted from drinking and bathing in lead-contaminated water? Look at the infant mortality rates for black Americans and compare them to white Americans. Look at the unwillingness of Greg Abbott to expand Medicaid, which would overwhelmingly benefit the black community.

      And realize that even if you, like most white Americans, will say, “Well I grew up poor and I made a better life for myself,” or “The government didn’t give me any free stuff!” remember the “free stuff” your ancestors got – free land via the Homestead Act, middle-class factory jobs that blacks weren’t eligible for, federally-subsidized mortgages that blacks couldn’t get. Remember that if the cashier forgets to take the tag off your purchase and the alarm goes off when you exit, they will assume that it was just a misunderstanding, not that you are a thief. If you get locked out of your own house, no one is going to call the police and assume you’re breaking into someone else’s. And you certainly wouldn’t get pulled over for nothing more than a broken taillight, like Philando Castile was.

      • John Johnson

        Thanks for the same old, same old. You, and those others who rail about the problem, offer few solutions.

        Giving more through Medicaid without downstream reform does what? Tell me.

        • John Bernard Books

          JJ the only issue is bigger vs smaller government and control.
          Most of the rest of issues are used to divide.
          Dems have mastered their divisive techniques and they work well with their base.
          Dems have no solutions.
          The RNC is currently run by appeasers. Chamberlain would be right at home.
          It will take people like you, I and others standing up to both.
          Watch Cleveland closely it will be very telling. How far will dems push the rioting and how far will the appears let it go before giving in. We’re being run by a community organizor and mob rule.
          It will get worse, do dems really want civil war?
          I believe they do.

          • Sam Jacinto

            It just occurred to me that JBB and JJ may have been the inspirations for the Braindead series on CBS.

        • Jackson

          Good news, JJ: You don’t actively have to DO anything, unless you have the ear of the Chairmen of Senate Finance and House Appropriations and can get more funding to the public education system. Seriously. Just keep living your life, and seeing things the way you want to see them. When you die, your unconscious biases will go with you, and that will be the greatest possible service you could provide at this stage of your life/development.

          So that’s it. All you need to do, as an “old white guy,” is naturally expire in the due course of time. Hopefully, for the sake of society’s improvement, you have not shared your views with too many impressionable young people.

          The most telling aspect of your post is what you did not mention, and that is the murders in Baton Rouge and Minneapolis.

          • WUSRPH

            Inconvenient realities cannot penetrate a mind that knows everything already.

        • WUSRPH

          It provides decent medical care to people who do not have it…..

        • Beerman

          JJ, Medicaid has an average enrollment of 50.1 million Americans (less than 15% of total population) as a social health care program for families and individuals with old age and limited resources. It is an important source of funding for medical and health related services for people with low incomes in the United States. Racial make-up has nothing to do with eligibility. This program is very important to low income Senior citizens including Whites, Blacks, Browns, Yellows, etc. permanent residents of America. It is color-blind. It is the primary source of health insurance coverage for the low-income population.

          Individual States administer the Medicaid program, and the State of Texas has done a terrible job supporting the program for the eligible citizens of our State. It is an extremely important resource for the elderly.

          • WUSRPH

            And, the majority of the aid dollars are spent on care for senior citizens and the disabled…but that is another “fact” that he would rather ignore. What is his solution for that? Treat them like “useless feedeers” as the Germans called them in the 30s and 40s?

          • Beerman

            It is important to senior citizens, in fact, Medicaid payments currently assist nearly 60% of all nursing home residents.

          • BCinBCS

            Medicaid also spreads the costs of the poor uninsured over the entire population of the United States.

            Many cities and communities in states that did not expand Medicaid, such as Dallas in Texas, are saddled with enormous medical bills from the indigent because they utilize the emergency room as their primary health source, have no preventative health care, so get sicker, and wait until they are very sick before seeking medical care. All of this causes enormous medical bills that the citizens of the county must pay. This results in much higher taxes paid to the county than would have been paid to the federal government if the state had expanded Medicaid.

            There will always be sick and injured people with or without Medicaid, those sick and injured people will be treated with or without Medicaid and those sick and injured people will have medical bills with or without Medicaid. The question is how do we efficiently treat the uninsured poor in the least expensive and most efficient way.

            Texas, primarily due to pique and ignorance, has decided to choose the most expensive, least efficient way.

          • Beerman

            Solid analysis of situation.

        • WUSRPH

          Okay…..you don[;’t like others’ ideas….so let’s hear yours. You complain about how things are as much or more than anyone……but seem not to be able to tell us what we should be doing other than have some wild hope that Trump will make a difference.

          If public education is not working….what is your solution?

          If providing medical care is not working….what is your solution?

          If young black males are breeding wildly while on drugs with no sense or responsibility (as you have said)…what is your solution?

          And so forth. Speak up.. Now is your chance to show us the error of our ways.

        • AlmostNormalTexan

          Medicaid is a bad program because hardly any doctors or facilities accept it. Why don’t they? Because the reimbursements are terrible. Why are the reimbursements terrible? Because lawmakers don’t want to spend money on the po’ folks’ health insurance, but are totally fine with continuing to do doc fixes to Medicare and allow seniors to use expensive private Medicare Advantage insurance.

          My fix to Medicaid would be to make it cover everyone who is in poverty (currently it comes nowhere close to that in Texas) and make it pay doctors the same rate they get for Medicare so that they have more of an incentive to participate in the program than they do right now.

          • BCinBCS

            But…but…but Almost normal, why would Republicans support such a program? That makes too much sense.

            (Of course, the ultimate solution would be to finally realize the single payer would provide the most widespread and efficient health care to everyone.)

      • BCinBCS

        AlmostNormalTexan: a thousand likes!

      • SheDevil2016

        JJ is an authoritarian. He’s never been black, thinks African immigrants who came here willingly can be compared equivalently to the descendents of slaves,

    • WUSRPH

      You must have some ideas. Why don’t you tell us what you would have us do?

    • donuthin2

      When you speak of our President, speak respectfully. By that, I don’t mean in agreement with him, but respectful while disagreeing.

      • John Johnson

        Screw him. I have absolutely no respect for that loon. You will not find me bowing down to him in any shape, form or fashion.

        • donuthin2

          And therefore you are part of the problem and unwilling to change.

          • John Johnson

            You are right about being unwilling to change. January can’t get here fast enough.

          • Sam Jacinto

            Then why solicit suggestions about what you can do? All that’s left would be some suggestion to perform some impossible personal act.

        • dave in texas

          C’mon John, you’re better than this. Treating him as a human being and showing some respect for the office he holds is not “bowing down to him.”

        • And this attitude is exactly why our country is so divided, and continues to be that way.

    • Holt Kelly

      “Tell me what I can do to address this horrible problem. I promise you, I will do my part” Here is one idea: You might look at volunteering for or donating to Habitat for Humanity. The folks that get the houses have to invest sweat equity to receive consideration for a house. It’s not a giveaway program. That’s what I do locally – and that is where to begin.

  • donuthin2

    Some very interesting and thought remarking post. It is so nice that I have the blocking feature on and do not have to wade through the bs to get to them.

    • Beerman

      Agree. And, the blocking feature is a great remedy for high blood pressure!

      • WUSRPH

        I agree that it makes life easier for those of us who block him out. Out of sight…out of mind….but that does not mean that he is still not pouring out his vile with the slim (I hope) chance that he might infect someone else. This makes me wonder if we actually should be battling him…..not in the way that Indiana Pearl did….but with facts and information to counter his misstatements and lies….But, it is so nice to not have to think about him and see those magic words “This user is blocked”.

        • donuthin2

          I think not. It appears he is posting much less these days and those who would pay attention to his gibberish are not likely interested in facts and information. I’m not sure if those responses are also blocked as I see few responses to something that was apparently blocked.

          • BCinBCS

            I haven’t blocked him yet so I can tell you that the reason that you are not seeing responses is because no one is responding to his half-truth posts.

        • SheDevil2016

          You tried reason in the past unsuccessfully. It cannot succeed with a True Believer. Disqus has given us the choice to opt out. Eventually he will wither away when he no longer receives the attention he craves.

          • WUSRPH

            It is certainly true that you cannot reason with the Troll. His mind will not accept any information that does not fit within his prejudices and his per-ordained ideas. You can hope, however, that some of those who will read his postings can be shown how invalid most of them are. The problem is that he lives to get a reaction. His little ego just shivers with delight. So it is probably best to ignore him in the hope that, unable to get any reaction, he goes elsewhere. As you noted, doing that does seem to be having some impact on the number of posts he makes.,

          • dave in texas

            I think responding to his posts, especially to rebut his idiotic points, is a waste of time and counterproductive. All that does is encourage him to spew even more nonsense. Any sane person will recognize his posts as complete and utter BS. On top of that, anybody who might be swayed by the fact-free screeds he posts is not likely to be persuaded by actual facts and well-thought-out positions. Best to just let him stew in his hatred.

        • John Bernard Books

          Nope this is so much ezier for me, I’m not attacked daily by you and other loonies.
          Just stay in your safe room with the lights out and sound off.

        • Sam Jacinto

          True facts and information are of no interest to those who cling to their own made up facts.

          • BCinBCS

            And that is proven by the fact that he can read an article that has one point of view and take from it and post about it a totally opposite POV.

  • Wilson James

    All the open carry guys ran like the wind and the LT Governor blew hot air at the same velocity.

  • John Bernard Books

    Guv Abbott has suffered 2nd and 3rd degree burns to both legs below the knees. This is an extremely dangerous situation for him. To understand where dems hearts are read the pure hatred in their comments.
    “Abbott’s office revealed Sunday that he had suffered “second- and third-degree burns” when he was accidentally scalded with hot water Thursday at a lodge in Jackson Hole. Abbott decided to cut short the vacation hours later when he learned about the shooting in Dallas that left five police officers dead and seven others wounded. ”
    https://www.texastribune.org/2016/07/10/abbott-may-not-attend-rnc-after-suffering-severe-b/comments/

    If anyone thinks they will change the hearts and minds of democrats with logic in a discussion, they are a fool.

  • John Bernard Books

    Has it only been 80 years since the ’36 Olympics and the hatred of national socialists? Progressive Socialists will stop at nothing to bring down America.
    So many similarities its astonishing.

  • John Bernard Books

    Crazy as a loon lefty Dr Jeff Hood spreads his hatred at Dallas
    “Hood has also written several interesting titled books. From his public page on BelieveOutLoud: “Jeff is the author of three books, The Queer: An Interaction with The Gospel of John, The Queering of an American Evangelical and The Sociopathic Jesus. A Southerner, Queer, and Christian, Jeff is a committed activist, visionary writer and radical prophetic voice to a closed society.
    Hood has also commented in defense of Muslims after other recent attacks, in posts here and here.”
    http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/07/08/meet-leftist-reverend-behind-dallas-black-lives-matter-protest/

    In case you’re why the left is known as the looney left.

  • WUSRPH

    I am not always pleased with some of the things people involved with Black Lives Matter say…..but then I am not always pleased with things that people with all kinds of groups may say…..However, when I hear people calling the group and its members radicals who are stirring up racial hatred, I have to remember that within my lifetime people were saying that–and worse—about the NAACP………In fact, the Texas Legislature was so outraged at the group’s use of the courts to obtain racial justice that it even passed a law requiring the group to register with the Texas Secretary of State and turn over its membership lists so the State could control this evil menace.

    • WUSRPH

      P.S. The governor who called the “Segregation Forever” special session of the legislature that passed that and many other attempts to stifle the effort of Black Americans to be treated as Americans now has a state judicial office bldg. named after him. I wonder if that tells us something about how Texans have viewed people with a history like his?

      • WUSRPH

        I double checked my memory and found that the bill to require registration by the NAACP passed the Senate, but did not get thru the House where it was killed on a point-of-order. I have corrected my post accordingly.

        One thing of additional note….Texas was still passing racially biased legislation as late as 1960 when a bill making “co-habitation” by people of different races a crime with up to a 10 year sentence was passed. Intra-racial marriage had
        been illegal for some time. This was trying to get at “shacking up”…..Guess who was the governor when that bill passed?…Yep, the man with his name on the building.

        • John Bernard Books

          Why did democrats do that?

  • John Bernard Books

    Does it matter if a democrat is a willful liar?
    ” That’s not the only echo from the past: prosecutors during the Clinton presidency weighed whether or not to charge Hillary with a crime. They even went so far as to draw up an indictment.
    The released records include a memo, written by Starr’s team, summarizing the evidence against Clinton. The prosecutors noted that she made numerous sworn statements between January 1994 and February 1996 that they thought “reflected and embodied materially inaccurate stories.”
    “The question, generally, is not whether the statements are inaccurate, but whether they are willfully so,” the prosecutors continued.”
    http://pushjunction.com/l/23620

    No. Hillary is making Houdini look like an amateur…..

    • Sam Jacinto

      Your sources have been discredited so many times that the only cogent reply is to summarize your arguments as blah, blah, and blah

      • John Bernard Books

        I can unnerstan how you feel. It must be frustrating to lack the ability to unnerstan a simple statement….

  • WUSRPH

    Based on his past behavior, the Troll is sure to claim that all racists were Democrats……He has a point…many Southern Democrats were racists in the 1960s….at least if you base such a judgment on how they voted on the major 1964, 1965 and 1968 civil rights acts….But, unfortunately, so were Southern Republicans….There is no better example than Texas’ own US Sen. John G. Tower, whose election in 1961 opened the door to the GOP in Texas. He was such a supporter of civil rights that he voted AGAINST the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the 1965 Voting Rights Act and the 1968 Public Occupancy Act. Does that make him a racist? I guess that is up to each of us to determine for ourselves.

  • John Bernard Books

    Our new gold plated border wall…..
    “Of course, if Trump were to win in November, none of this would matter. His election would almost certainly mean that Republicans also held on to both houses of Congress, a feat accomplished despite Trump’s intensely anti-immigrant campaign. The only question Republicans would debate would be how tall to make the “Trump” letters on our new gold-plated border wall.”
    http://theweek.com/articles/634824/how-donald-trump-rout-could-lead-immigration-reform-2017

    Yes dems are looney……..

    • Sam Jacinto

      Always when you speak, you remove all doubt.

      • SheDevil2016

        He’s been effectively castrated by Disqus.

  • John Bernard Books

    Dems say abolish the police…..let the looting begin

  • John Bernard Books

    Clear as a bell why Clinton saw Loretta, he told her it was time to announce Hillary would not be indicted. There isn’t time for congress to complete the three investigation congress is now asking for.
    Yep three,
    1.. Lying to Congress under oath, notice the FBI did not put her under oath…
    2. Sending classified info over a private server…yes she did 110 emails.
    3. The Clinton Initiative, that’s the biggie gazillions of dollars buying influence.

    Yep Crooked Hillary will be the dem nominee even if dems don’t want her. let the looting begin.

  • John Bernard Books

    Another democrat lie exposed…
    “Police are not more likely to shoot a black suspect compared to a white suspect, according to a new study from a Harvard economist.
    “It is the most surprising result of my career,” prominent Harvard economics professor Roland G. Fryer told the The New York Times.”
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/07/11/harvard-economists-study-finds-no-racial-bias-police-shootings

    Why was he surprised? Maybe he had bought the dem lie……now he know.

  • WUSRPH

    I know it is a big plane but Obama, Cruz, Pelosi on the same plane going to Dallas. It shows that a real tragedy can bring us together for at least a few minutes. Too bad Trump and Patrick choose to divide rather than unite.

  • John Bernard Books

    I find this odd……Trump and the Clintons have something in common. They are both involved in scandals with universities, Trump of course with Trump University and the Clintons with Laureate Network, the world’s largest for-profit university network.
    Trump:
    ” The Atlantic makes an important distinction between Low and Cohen. Low is suing Trump and Trump University in a standard class-action lawsuit, whereas Cohen is going after the business mogul through a provision of the RICO Act. The RICO Act, Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, that Cohen is using to target Trump is a hell of a lot more serious. Essentially, Cohen views Trump University as a criminal operation, with Trump himself as the head of a racketeering scheme.”
    http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/06/05/breaking-trump-faces-rico-charges-over-trump-university-scam-could-face-massive-prison-sentence/

    Meanwhile with the Clintons FBI Dir Comey stated before congress that FBI didn’t take a look at the Clinton Initiative, the Clinton’s money laundering operation.

    That is hard to understand……….

  • John Bernard Books

    Another democrat lie exposed…
    “Police are not more likely to shoot a black suspect compared to a white suspect, according to a new study from a Harvard economist.
    “It is the most surprising result of my career,” prominent Harvard economics professor Roland G. Fryer told the The New York Times.”
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/07/11/harvard-economists-study-finds-no-racial-bias-police-shootings

    Why was he surprised? Maybe he had bought the dem lie……now he know.

  • John Bernard Books

    Cruz is a unifier….come on admit it dems. If anyone can stomach being with Obama and Pelosi for hours its Sen Cruz.
    “In a dramatic display of bipartisan unity after a horrific tragedy, Ted Cruz will accompany President Barack Obama aboard Air Force One to Dallas on Tuesday, the Texas senator’s office said.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/ted-cruz-obama-dallas-air-force-one-225408#ixzz4EDMKiPvB

    • Sam Jacinto

      Ted Cruz unified the Senate – against him.

      • John Bernard Books

        I can show you the proof your statement is false, I just can’t make you understand it.

  • John Bernard Books

    Wait you mean democrats have been lying?
    “But when Fryer looked at the Houston data, which was the most comprehensive set available, he found that in more dangerous situations — such as aggravated robberies — blacks were 23.8 percent less likely to be shot at by police than whites. “We cannot detect racial differences in officer-involved shootings on any dimension,” Fryer wrote. ”
    http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/texanomics/article/Houston-Police-appear-to-not-racially-8351840.php

    This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that dems lie about anything and everything…..especially everything.

    • Sam Jacinto

      SIlver Alert! Who is missing their crazy uncle?

      • John Bernard Books

        You’re posting here using a pseudo making false statements, what do you think that shows about your mental stability?

    • wessexmom

      Or does it merely show that HPD is more transparent? Since they were one of the few, if not the only, dept willing to disclose their comprehensive stats. The catastrophe in D had nothing to do with THAT police dept or with the black protestors there.
      Texas cities are, overall, in much better shape than many other cities in this country when it comes to racial divides. If that weren’t the case you wouldn’t have the sense of calm sadness that now pervades Dallas now nor would you have stats cited in Houston. Cities with long deep histories of pervasive, unresolved racial conflict, such as Ferguson and Baton Rouge, and in some respects, even NYC, don’t fare as well.

      • John Bernard Books

        Nope the recent study shows that that dems have been lying about this and everything else.
        Now who would believe a known lie?? The gullible and the not very bright, or those who want to believe the lie so much they over look the facts….yep I’m talking about the stupid.

  • Monty Moore

    If you posses a CCL, it is smarter to keep your hands in plain view as you tell the police officer that you have a CCL and have a handgun. It is reckless in these days of heightened tension to say “I have a gun” as your hands disappear. Smart CCL Instructors teach to keep your hands on the steering wheel during a traffic stop unless the police officers you retrieving something like a wallet. Anyone who is disappointed that well trained, police officers were not able to stop the Dallas sniper in a gunfight has never been in one themselves. The object is to shoot the bad guy without being shot yourself. It is easier said than done. Once again Monday morning quarterbacks are being armchair experts.

    • Jackson

      I’m not entirely sure I understand your comment, so forgive me if I’m jumping to a conclusion, but it appears that you are intimating that Philandro Castile was shot by a cop because the person who DIED was being reckless…? If that’s what you mean, say it, but I’d be interested to see how you’re able to stretch the murder in Baton Rouge into being the fault of the victim as well.

      It seems like every time a cop does his or her job poorly–an incredibly safe occupation, by the way, that s/he is well-compensated to perform–that a group of buzzcut apologists rushes out to portray a war on the police. It’s a well-rehearsed routine of self-victimization that deflects attention away from the true victims: Daniel Shaver; Alton Sterling; Delrawn Small; ad nauseam.

      And nobody is talking about being “disappointed” that cops didn’t kill the lone wolf gunman sooner; where have you heard this?

      • Monty Moore

        What I am saying is to prevent future deaths of this nature. I feel most CCL courses leave out or do not stress safeguards to prevent getting shot. For instance, if you as a CCL holder stop a felony crime by shooting a bad guy, don’t be waving a handgun around. Personally, I feel in that incident the cop “vapor locked” at the phrase “I have a gun”. If the man had said “I have a concealed carry license, and I am armed”. He may still be alive. Police officers walk into every incident concerned about safety. The public needs to show that they are not a threat when stopped. Remember only a few months ago that two NYC cops were murdered.

        • WUSRPH

          The danger both to the officer and to the gun carrier of forcing an officer in an tense situation to make a split session decision of who is good and who is bad is just why most police organizations have testified AGAINST handgun permit laws.

          • Monty Moore

            The Texas public and the legislature debated the CCL issue 20+ years ago. I don’t remember who it was but a high law enforcement stated a fear of the law passing. But in a few years he stated that he was wrong. Carrying a firearm is a serious matter. Stating that you are armed should never be or appear to be a threat on anybody. The adrenalin flows when you as a police officer approach a traffic stop. The past shootings of police officers only increase the concern. Showing compliance and that you are not a threat during a traffic stop is the smart thing to do.

    • José

      What you say may be true. But statistics show that if you are pulled over by the police, the smartest thing you can do is to be born white.

      • Monty Moore

        Police officers are human, but I nevern saw a cop start the day off hoping to shoot or beat someone up. There are a few bad cops and hopefully they get weeded out anf fired. But you have to give them the benefit of the doubt until proven guilty. Just like cops need to be reminded that not all members of society want to harm them. In these days of police officers being ambushed that is difficult. I am a retired law enforcement, and do not envy the police officers of today.

        • José

          I’m not a former LEO and have never envied those who put on the badge. Thank you for your work in helping to maintain civil order. Seriously.
          We expect a lot from our civil servants, including that they treat all people fairly. It seems awfully clear that this expectation has not been met in far too many cases. You say “a few bad cops”. I see a chilling pattern of race based prejudicial treatment by a small minority of officers over a period of years, but which too often has been tolerated or ignored by the others. Say what you will, but in these well publicized cases it appears highly unlikely that the outcome would have been the same had the situation been identical except for race. And when people blame the victim because he or she isn’t absolutely perfect, that’s just wrong, wrong, wrong.

          • Monty Moore

            The SCOTUS cases that made it more difficult to build criminal cases were all caused by police misconduct. Sadly, many mid-level supervisors don’t stress those facts. Black on black crime in the poorer neighborhoods does cause more police interaction. The blue wall of silence requires some backbone for a police officer to object to an injustice. I always taught my subordinates to treat everybody as they themselves wished to be treated. But it is easier to be polite when you are not met with a combative individual. But I also taught them that if someone wants to roll in the dirt, we have to win.

    • Aren’t you being a Monday morning quarterback as well? I have my CCL or LTC as it is now known here in Texas. While I have heard that directive from CCL/LTC instructors, if you ask anyone in Law enforcement you will often get several different opinions on how to handle it. And it will vary from dept to dept how they want their officers to handle a person with a CCL/LTC during different situations from a traffic stop to a burglary. There is no standard procedure taught to Officers on how to handle a traffic stop with someone who has their CCL/LTC.

      • WUSRPH

        The lack of a standard training…a traffic stop with a record of violations (all minor) that will have shown up on the computer when the office ran the plate when making the stop….a man with a gun….a split second to decide is his a “good guy with a gun” or a

      • Monty Moore

        I am happy to be a “monday morning quarterback”. My opinion is based on two tours in Vietnam and a lifetime of law enforcement until I was forced into retirement. As a 68 year old I have seen a little bit of life. The reason I still carry is that I feel that I am too young to die and I know that I am too old to take a beating. The CCL/LTC rules and procedures very too much from state to state., but that is politics. I have observed thru my first CCL class and 4 renewals of my Texas CCL that too often some applicants really lack common sense or weapon handling skills. These range from waving a loaded pistol around on the firing line or loading a S&W MP 9mm magazine backwoods. I never thought that was possible until I saw it. The concept of pointy end first is not too difficult. Hands in plain view, no alarming statements, a calm deminer, calms down the situational. In a traffic stop the police officer is concerned about his safety and his heart is pumping, I know that!

        • Sacagewea

          Never had a gun, although my father taught me to shoot. What or who do you fear?

          • Monty Moore

            I don’t fear anybody, that is the point of being able to defend yourself. You wear a seat belt, but don’t plan on being in a auto wreck. You have smoke detectors in your house, but don’t plan on your house catching fire. I carry a first aid kit in my car, but have no plans to use it. I carry a tool on my keychain to break a car window and cut a seat belt to free someone. No plans to use that either. But I am prepared! Home invasions and car jacking’s are a fact of life now. Elderly are attractive targets. If I happened on an incident, I would report it first, not jump in. I carry a firearm to protect myself not enforce the law. That ended with my retirement. The NRA publishes cases monthly where someone used a firearm to defend themselves. You very seldom see those on national news, only local news shows.

          • Sacagewea

            The NRA is not a legitimate source.

            You are more fearful than I am. Studies indicate it’s genetic.

          • Monty Moore

            The section I quoted always gives the local paper that published the news story. Only a few key strokes away to verify. My concern is not genetic, it’s memories of how violent some members of the human race can be towards those weaker members. June 2016 , NRA American Rifleman magazine: posted a story first reported in the Seattle Times, Seattle, Washington on 3/13/16. A legally armed 60 year old shot a man who entered a 7-11 store. He was swinging a hatchet at clerk and another customer. I would consider that legitimate. Do you want to hear the next story.? A woman held a burglar at gunpoint until the police arrived. WWMT.cpm, Kalamazoo, Mich. 3/7/16. Or the 71 year old man that a shot 18 year thug during an armed robbery attempt, (Daily Press, Hampton, VA, 3/14/16).

          • Sacagewea

            No anecdotes, please. I can find just as many stories in which a child found an unsecured weapon and killed himself or another. Find some longitudinal studies by the DOJ if you wish to make a valid argument.

          • Monty Moore

            No anecdotes given, these were news stories. And a responsible gun owner does not place a firearm where a child can find it. Just like a responsible automobile owner does not drink and/or use drugs and then drives on the highway. The DWI fatality rate probably is higher than accidental deaths from firearms. I blame neither the firearm or the automobile for the actions of an idiot. I was sworn in in front of Ed Meese, lets skip the DOJ. Lack of personal responsibility is…………….

          • Sacagewea

            You and I have different realities. Enjoy your retirement!

        • WUSRPH

          I would think you experience with obviously dangerous gun handlers at the CCL classes would create some doubt in your mind about the qualifications required to get a permit.

          • Monty Moore

            Your right, the requirements were set by the politicians more concerned with reelection than probably anything else. The requirements and training should be far more involved than it is. Some people just should not carry a handgun, just like some people should not operate a motor vehicle. A better course should include less carry restrictions. when I run into a store that posts a no gun sign. I email or call them and tell them that I am outside and leaving to take my business elsewhere. I never joined the NRA until recently. I disagreed with on many things and still do, but the unfair one sided stories caused me to join.
            1. Background checks: I have no problem with them, they should be through and complete. But the federal government fails to either prosecute felons attempting to purchase firearms or plea bargain the case to a hand slap. This case should be easy to prove. The signature in the statement “No, I’m not a felon”. The DOJ was just lazy or incompetent to fail to pursue those individuals. The press is very quick to spread incorrect information and that bugs me. Pretty bad when one of our “the DOJ program fast and furious” weapons shows up in terrorist attacks in Europe.
            2. A concealed carry gun license issued after FBI background check, criminal history check, and a several day course at a pistol range. Demonstrating proficiency on a course of fire that includes weapons safety and skills. The NRA offers very good shooting courses.
            3. Open Carry, I had a detailed social media argument with a fan of that. I have no problems but told him that if he walked into a restaurant and saw a old gray haired man raise up on one hip. it would be me. I would raise up to enable the drawing of my 1911 that may be older than you are if I needed it.
            4. I told my family some years ago, that if we happened on a active shooter incident we would shelter in place and wait. I am responsible for my family, but you need to worry about yourself. The terrorist are not going away, they are here.
            5. Assault rifles, I worry more about IEDs.

    • John Bernard Books

      Well said but will fall on deaf ears here….

  • WUSRPH

    An eloquent rebuke of Dan, The Donald and friends:

    “At times, it seems like the forces pulling us apart are stronger than the forces binding us together,” Bush said, without mentioning Donald Trump.

    “Argument turns too easily into animosity. Disagreement escalates too quickly into dehumanization. Too often we judge other groups by their worst examples, while judging ourselves by our best intentions.”

    The audience applauded heavily at this.

    “And this has strained our bonds of understanding and common purpose.

    “But Americans, I think, have a great advantage. To renew our unity, we only need to remember our values. We have never been held together by blood or background. We are bound by things of the spirit ― by shared commitments to common ideals.

    “At our best, we practice empathy, imagining ourselves in the lives and circumstances of others. This is the bridge across our nation’s deepest divisions. And it is not merely a matter of tolerance, but of learning from the struggles and stories of our fellow citizens, and finding our better selves in the process.

    “At our best, we honor the image of God we see in one another. We recognize that we are brothers and sisters, sharing the same brief moment on earth, and owing each other the loyalty of our shared humanity.

    “At our best, we know we have one country, one future, one destiny. We do not want the unity of grief. Nor do we want the unity of fear. We want the unity of hope, affection, and high purpose.”

    • Holt Kelly

      Please let us know who said that. Think I know, but I want to be sure before passing it on.

      • John Bernard Books

        Prez Bush was rebuking Prez Obama’s divisiveness when he said:
        “But that didn’t stop Obama from stating, “We also know that centuries of racial discrimination, of slavery, and subjugation, and Jim Crow; they didn’t simply vanish with the law against segregation…we know that bias remains.”
        http://www.dailywire.com/news/7411/7-disgusting-things-obama-said-while-hijacking-ben-shapiro

        Like those here who push the lie that more blacks are shot by police than white…..it is simply not true.

      • WUSRPH

        Former President George W. Bush at the Dallas event yesterday for the killed officers.

        • Holt Kelly

          That’s what I thought. Thank you.

  • John Bernard Books

    I’m sensing a pattern here. We know the impeached Bill Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. And we know from watching congressional hearings that congress censured Eric Holder for lying. Congress has filed impeachment charges against IRS Commissioner John Koskinen for lying about Lois Lehner who was lying to congress.
    Now we have the new ATTY Gen of the US Loretta Lynch refusing to answer “is it legal or illegal to lie under oath?” Dems are liars it is that simple. Their voters who believe their lies are stupid.

  • John Bernard Books

    Contrast Prez Bush’s remarks at the funeral of the assassinated police officers
    “Most of us imagine we’d risk lives to protect love ones: Those in uniform assume that risk for the safety of strangers”
    with Prez Obama’s remarks
    “We…know that centuries of racial discrimination and slavery and subjugation and Jim Crow, they didn’t simply vanish at the end of lawful segregation. They didn’t just stop when Dr. King made a speech…”

    Was Prez Obama saying the killings were justified?

    • BCinBCS

      You obviously did not listen to President Obama’s speech or you cannot understand English as demonstrated by your, once again, half-truth post. (Either case speaks poorly about you.)

      • John Bernard Books

        Are you asserting Prez Bozo didn’t say “racial discrimination and slavery and subjugation and Jim Crow?”

      • Sacagewea

        We know this.

        • Sacagewea

          “This loser is blocked.”

          • John Bernard Books

            Sack of what?

  • John Bernard Books

    Sen Cruz scared both dems and republicans with this speech….
    http://conservative50.com/cruz-speech/

  • John Bernard Books

    The FBI refused to make Hillary testify under oath. US Atty Gen Loretta Lynch refuses to say whether lying under oath is legal or illegal.
    So it is left up to us the US citizens to make Lyin Crooked Hillary testify under oath….
    “Lawyers for Hillary Clinton are going to federal court for the first time to block efforts to force her to testify in a civil lawsuit related to her private email set-up.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/hillary-clinton-block-deposition-email-225418#ixzz4EI4LWqgI

    Dems know making Hillary testify under oath would be a disaster because she can’t tell the truth.

    Could Hillary become the first sitting US prez to pardon herself?

  • John Bernard Books

    Just when you think you’ve heard it all from Prez Bozo…
    “We flood communities w/ so many guns, that it’s easier for a teen to buy a Glock than get his hands on a computer or a book.”
    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/12/obama-at-dallas-memorial-its-easier-for-teenagers-to-buy-a-glock-than-a-book/

    Actually it is easier for a teen to get their hands on a computer or a book than a gun. Some choose the gun for a myriad of reasons.

  • John Bernard Books

    I guess Rep Eddie Bernice Johnson ain’t so bad….
    “The Dallas Morning News reported Sunday that over the last five years, the Dallas Democrat has awarded up to $20,000 in 15 scholarships to two grandsons, two great-nephews, and aide Rod Givens’ children between 2005 and 2008. The 2009 awards – reflected in a previously undisclosed list provided Monday by the foundation – push that above $25,000.”
    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/dallas/headlines/20100830-Rep-Eddie-Bernice-Johnson-says-516.ece

    when you compare her to Fla Congresswoman Corrine Brown
    “Brown and Simmons are accused of receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars meant for a nonprofit organization and using it for their own personal and professional benefit, said Richard Weber, chief of IRS criminal investigations.

    The indictment centers on an organization called One Door for Education, through which Brown and Simmons solicited more than $800,000 in donations on the premise that the money would be used for college scholarships, school computer drives and other items, investigators said.”
    http://www.wftv.com/news/local/us-rep-corrine-brown-likens-federal-indictment-to-dallas-police-officer-slayings/396470140

    Congresswoman Brown said US Atty General Loretta was targeting her?
    “In a statement posted on her campaign website, U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown suggested her indictment last week on fraud-related charges is part of a larger problem with a legal system that targets black people.

    “I’m not the first black elected official to be persecuted and, sad to say, I won’t be the last,” she wrote.”
    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/12/indicted-dem-doj-would-have-stopped-orlando-shooting-if-they-hadnt-been-trying-to-railroad-me/

    Who’s lying Corrine or Loretta?

  • John Bernard Books

    It bears repeating…..
    “It bears repeating: Unjustified shootings by police officers are an aberration, not the norm, and there is no evidence that racism drives police actions.”
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/time-to-end-the-demonizing-of-police-1468363042

    Facts refute the democrat assertion that more blacks than whites are killed by police. So why do dems say it constantly. Could it have anything to do with the feds taking over local police depts, ie Ferguson Mo, Baltimore Md, Phoeniz Az…….and now Dallas, Tx? Houston’s Mayor Sylvester Turner asked the Atty General to “investigate” his PD, is Houston Tx PD next?

  • Sacagewea
  • John Bernard Books

    Dems are getting desperate their control is eroding….
    “In an unusual move, FBI agents working the Hillary Clinton e-mail case had to sign a special form reminding them not to blab about the probe to anyone unless called to testify.
    FBI agents believe there was an inside deal put in place after the Loretta Lynch/Bill Clinton tarmac meeting,” said one source.”
    http://nypost.com/2016/07/12/fbi-agents-signed-nda-for-matters-involving-hillarys-emails/

    The fix was in……shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  • John Bernard Books

    Speaking of loose cannons….
    “When RBG just issued bon mots on policies such as abortion (like her observation that abortion would curtail “growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of”), the institutional media on the Left could pretend that Ginsburg was only making cultural observations. Now they have to acknowledge that Ginsburg acts and speaks in a nakedly partisan manner, robbing the Times et al of their chief attack line against conservatives who speak out against the court’s bias. Even they have to acknowledge that bias, especially in a contested electoral contest, but also implicitly in any issue on which a Trump administration would have to bring before the court. And let’s not forget that the Gray Lady has served as Notorious RBG’s platform several times in the past. Talk about being hoist by one’s own petard.”
    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/13/nyt-to-ginsburg-please-shut-the-hell-up/

    Liberals do not find it hard to lie constantly with a straight face but RBG is making it harder for the general public to not laugh at their lies.

    • Sam Jacinto

      Please follow your doc’s advice and take your meds. Then go fishing in a place without cell service. Might keep you from blowing a gasket.

      • John Bernard Books

        You seem to think I care what you think….how dumb are you?

  • WUSRPH

    117 days

  • WUSRPH

    Some months ago I semi-defended Trump in saying that, while he was using neo-Fascist and racist arguments, I did not believe he was really a racist/fascist. Altho JJ says I never do it, this is one of those occasions (perhaps rare) when I will do so. I was wrong. Trump is definitely a racist.

  • don76550

    Dan Patrick is exactly and if a left wing mendacous propagandist like Grieder whines about Patrick then I am assured his position is correct.

  • WUSRPH

    Don’t you just love it when someone says something very offensive and then tries to cover it up by saying “I could have used a better word” like Dan Patrick has done in trying to back away from calling all those who fled for their lives in Dallas last week “hypocrites”? It reminds me of the time when a member of the Texas House of Representatives was in trouble with the rest of the House—on the verge of being censured—for a word he used in describing another member in a heated exchange. He “got off the hook” (technically at least) by going to the microphone and telling the House that he “apologize(d) for the word, but not the meaning.”

    Also did you see where Patrick has been invited to the White House of the town hall meeting on race the President is sponsoring tomorrow (Thursday) night. I only hope Dan knows how to behave when he is a guest in another’s home, but i doubt it…….If he gets to say anything, he is sure to say something that tends to divide us rather than unify us, as the session is intended to do. If he doesn’t I think someone will have to check to make sure that it was the real Dan Patrick.

  • don76550

    Dan Patrick is exactly right and as usual, mendacious pseudojournalists like Grieder are quick to spew their venom.