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Texas Has Long Welcomed Refugees

From Mexicans fleeing Pancho Villa to Cubans escaping Fidel Castro, Texas has, until recently, been a haven. What’s changed?

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In January 1914 Pancho Villa’s army was slowly closing in on the outnumbered Mexican federal forces defending the city of Ojinaga, just across the Rio Grande from the Texas town of Presidio. Villa, the colorful Mexican revolutionary, was ruthless with soldiers and civilians loyal to the dictatorial and murderous President Victoriano Huerta, executing any who were captured. The dead littered a plateau near Ojinaga, and The New York Times described buzzards “wheeling overhead lazy on their feasts of human flesh.” A “stream of suffering humanity” traveled the “Camino del Muerto—the road of death” to a river crossing into Texas, where an El Paso physician had set up a refugee hospital. When the federal collapse came, General Salvador Mercado led 3,300 Mexican soldiers and 1,269 women and children on a march to Marfa. The U.S. government moved the refugees to El Paso, where the soldiers were interred at Fort Bliss, but the women and children were allowed their freedom in the city.

“I hope the world will understand,” General Mercado said, “that our flight was on the grounds of humanity, to save the lives of women and children as well as soldiers who ran out of ammunition. The rebels would have killed us. What is to become of us? I do not know. We shall wait and see.”

Mercado’s men and women were not the only refugees from the Mexican Revolution to make their way to Texas. A wagon train of almost 1,000 people stopped in Beeville, where local farmers put the men to work clearing fields. U.S. citizens living in Mexico fled the violence by boat and landed in Galveston.

Tens of thousands of immigrants have come to Texas to escape persecution or political violence, and Texans have often offered their hearts, lands and money to the dispossessed. What has changed that makes it so easy for Governor Greg Abbott to declare Texas closed to Syrian refugees fleeing the murderous violence of ISIS and other rebel factions in their homeland? (Of course, Abbott cannot keep Syrian refugees out of Texas, but he can make certain the state does not cooperate in their re-location.) I spent a few minutes searching old newspaper archives to see how Texas handled refugees in the past.

When Russia began a purge of Jews in 1888, a Texan named J.B. Brown offered to give 100 acres of land to each Jewish family who wanted to relocate to Motley County on the plains of West Texas. Similarly, in 1939, a search was made around Texas for land that might be purchased for the relocation of European Jews. The city of Plainview notified Governor James Allred that 46,000 acres could be made immediately available if needed. There’s no evidence that any families took these offers, but the offers were at least made.

In 1956, when Hungarians revolted against oppressive Soviet control, people in Dallas welcomed refugees. Eighty-seven were greeted at Love Field by a local delegation, with the Southern Methodist University band playing the Hungarian national anthem, and the Lone Star flag of Texas joined by the national flags of the United States and Hungary. As The Dallas Morning News reported: “Refugees from blood-drained Hungary representing such diverse occupations as laborers, musicians, teachers, knitters and typists, Saturday will land in hospitable Dallas—their peaceful haven after bloody riots.” However, one group of six refugees had refused to come to Dallas because they believed the city was still the Wild West that they had seen in Hollywood movies. It was our violence they feared, not us fearing theirs.

(Indeed, Dallas continues to exhibit its welcoming spirit. The Morning News reported yesterday that Mayor Mike Rawlings said “he didn’t see what authority any mayor or governor had to keep legal U.S. residents out of a city or state. He said no one has contacted him about Syrian refugees but, if they did, it would be ‘the spirit of Dallas’ to help in a crisis.”)

When Cuban refugees started arriving in 1961, Texas Methodists, Baptists and the Catholic Diocese of Dallas-Fort Worth organized to find them new homes and new jobs. “No church is too small to help meet the refugee problem,” the Texas Methodist wrote in an editorial. Will the churches of Texas be as welcoming to the Syrians now?

Similarly, Texas Quakers and Catholics in 1982 organized an underground railroad to help those fleeing violence in El Salvador find refuge in Texas by going around federal immigration officials. At one point, it was estimated that 25,000 Salvadorans were living illegally in Houston alone. Both sides in El Salvador’s civil war engaged in terroristic acts and death squads. Nothing could guarantee that some terrorists had not entered the country, nothing except the belief that most, if not all, of these people simply wanted to live their lives in peace, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

In the 1970s, Texas welcomed 27,000 refugees from Vietnam and Cambodia.

The only instances I could find in the archives of Texans rejecting refugees both occurred in 1981. The city of Big Spring objected when the federal government moved 99 Haitians to a detention facility there. In East Texas, people complained that they didn’t want 2,000 Cuban refugees from the Mariel boatlift. Most of the refugees who still needed placement were young, single men, and East Texas leaders said there were not enough jobs. But, as now, there was an element of fear because Fidel Castro was known to have released criminals from prison to join the boatlift. In the end, the Cubans were relocated elsewhere.

Abbott’s rationale in a letter to President Obama for rejecting refugees from Syria is based on fear of a repeat of the Paris attacks. “American humanitarian compassion could be exploited to expose Americans to similar deadly danger.” Abbott went on to say:

“The threat posted to Texas by ISIS is very real. ISIS claimed credit last May when two terrorists gunmen launched an attack in Garland, Texas. Less than two weeks later, the FBI arrested an Iraqi-born man in North Texas and charged him with lying to federal agents about traveling to Syria to fight with ISIS. And in 2014, when I served as Texas attorney general, we participated in a Joint Terrorism Task Force that arrested two Austin residents for providing material support to terrorists, including ISIS.”

The two men killed in the Garland incident were both born as U.S. citizens. One was from an Illinois suburb called Westmont, and the other from Dallas. They were roommates in Phoenix when they became radicalized and travelled to Garland to attack an anti-Muslim group. The Iraqi-born man arrested in Mesquite was trying to join ISIS in Syria. As for the two Austin men arrested on charges that they were recruiting fighters for ISIS, one was a naturalized citizen from Bangladesh and the other was native-born in Houston. Both were sentenced to prison earlier this year, one will be free in six years and the other in ten years.

The most stunning act of fundamentalist Islamic terrorism was Major Nidal Hasan’s attack at Fort Hood that killed 13 people and injured 30 others. Hasan was a native of Arlington, Virginia.

What these cases prove is that home-grown terrorists can be as big of a threat as foreign refugees. All the Paris terrorists were home-grown except possibly one. Nothing can guarantee our safety or guard against someone sneaking into the refugee pipeline, but most of these refugees are victims of war and many are escaping Muslims who are killing other Muslims for not being strict enough in their faith or for following alternative Islamic teachings. As with the Cubans of the Mariel boatlift, the Syrians can be held in detention until screened, and while that is not perfect, it provides some assurance we’ve tried to weed out infiltrators.

Rather than living in fear, perhaps we could find inspiration in the Dallasites who 60 years ago welcomed the Hungarian refugees in the spirit of humanitarianism.

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  • Rules of Blazon

    Great piece, R.G.! Thank you very much for publishing it. This highlights what Texas is all about — Big, Hot, Just and Open — and shows just how out of step Greg Abbott and others are with the true character of our state.

  • Who’s living in fear? Didn’t Texans stepped up when the refugees from Katrina needed help?
    But all of us aren’t fools, we are merely fed up with the Obama admin shoving everything down our throat. We are tired of footing the bills so dems can replenish their dwindling base using taxpayer’s dollars. We tired of the Obama admin picking and choosing which laws to enforce. We are tired of democrats passing bills so we can find out what is in them, only to discover higher and higher insurance premiums because of a poorly written law that wasn’t a tax before it was a tax.
    Its called pushback and there will be more to come as the Obama admin stumbles through its last year by the worst president in our history.

    • r.g. ratcliffe

      President George W. Bush’s first energy secretary, Spencer Abraham, was an Christian Arab-American from Michigan. Arab-Americans in Michigan generally vote Republican. But Abraham lost his re-election bid to the Senate in 2000 because he favored immigration reform and a national anti-immigrant group ran ads in Michigan that said: “Why is Senator Spencer Abraham trying to make it easier for terrorists like Osama bin Laden to export their war of terror to any city street in America?” And that ad ran before 9/11.

      • WUSRPH

        And don’t forget how Al Smith was going to turn the White House over to the Pope after he and the rest of those Catholics overthrew the US government. Fear mongering and plays on racial and religious hatred are, unfortunately, an established part of American history.

        • Indiana Pearl

          The tunnel . . .

          • Roshan Moayed

            Remind me again who started the war that created the power vacuum, which allowed the Baathist party from Iraq to form ISIS? Who said we need to fund the rebels in order to defeat ISIS? Now who is saying this is a prolonged war and needs to be fought in the middle east? How long is it going to take, before we understand that there’s not enough bombs to take out all the people in the region? Also the more we bomb and create collateral damage the more radical it gets in the middle east. Notice that these are not meant to be questions, rather more on the statements side.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Bingo!

            Bush didn’t know the difference between a Sunni and a Shia.

    • Jed

      the thing that cheers me about this constant “WPE” nonsense is that the same people throwing that term around for the past several years will have to reassign it in about 14 months.

      if you think every new president is the worst ever, you may have a problem.

    • Indiana Pearl

      My contacts in Ft. Bend County say this about you, “He’s a crazy old fat guy who has no friends . . . Every publication in the area has banned him.”

      Why does Burka Blog let you take up all the bandwidth on TM?

      • Why are the confused grandmas so concerned about me? There is a special group of confused grandmas that meet just to discuss my actions.

        • Indiana Pearl

          “Crazy old fat guy . . .”

        • Indiana Pearl

          President Grandma will be on your TV – January 2017.

      • Ron Kabele

        Gee, now I kind of feel sorry for him. I’ll be your friend, JBB. We can hang out here and play Strat-o-Matic baseball. You’ll get along great with my Aspergers godson who lives with me. You can insult him as much as you want and he won’t care. Come on, seriously, it’ll be fun.

        • dave in texas

          +1 for the Strat-o-Matic reference.

        • Indiana Pearl

          Maybe Booksie will finally get some exercise . . .

  • Jerry Patterson

    In 1910 the population of Mexico was 15 million. In 1920, it was 14 million. It’s generally thought that approximately half a million were killed by the sometimes intramural war between various revolutionary groups (Madero, Villa, Zapata, Huerta, Carranza etc) or starved to death, and the other half a million fled to Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona to escape the violence. JP

    • Rules of Blazon

      If Trump is the Republican nominee for President, are you going to vote for him?

      • Jerry Patterson

        I’m gonna vote for my fellow Marine Vietnam vet, James Webb. JP

        • Rules of Blazon

          Thank you very much for replying.

          • Jerry Patterson

            welcome

          • WUSRPH

            In case Rules has any further questions let me make it very clear that if Trump is the Republican nominee, I won’t vote for him either….Of course, I won’t vote for any of the rest of them either….but Trump and Cruz especially.

          • Jerry Patterson

            Join me in voting for Webb! JP

          • Jed

            if you’re going to vote for an unqualified crank anyway, might i suggest you choose one who is actually a candidate? there is no shortage to choose from.

          • Jerry Patterson

            Yes. You may suggest. JP

        • Indiana Pearl

          Write in?

          • Jerry Patterson

            He’s talking about running as an independent. Either way

          • WUSRPH

            In case anyone is interested they might want to tell Webb that, if he wants to appear on the ballot in Texas as an Independent candidate for president, he has to file a declaration by 6 pm. Dec. 14th.

            The candidate has to file an application to be on the
            ballot with 300 signatures from each of at least 15 congressional districts or pay a $5,000 fee. And you cannot be an independent if you also run in the party primary for president.

  • Jay Trainor

    For all the good Catholics out there, like Gov. Abbott, ponder on what the Texas Catholic Bishops Conference and Pope Francis say about refugees:

    We must not be led by our fears, but guided by our mercy and prudence to develop a means to protect refugees while also protecting ourselves at home. As Pope Francis recently said so eloquently before the U.S. Congress, “if we want security let us give security; if we want life, let us give life; if we want opportunity, let us give opportunity. The yardstick by which we measure others is the yardstick by which time will measure us.”

    If you you are an Old Testament fan, like Lt. Gov. Patrick, consider this from Leviticus 19:33-34 (New American Bible)

    33 When an alien resides with you in your land, do not mistreat such a one.34 You shall treat the alien who resides with you no differently than the natives born among you; you shall love the alien as yourself; for you too were once aliens in the land of Egypt. I, the Lord, am your God.

    Keep in mind, Jesus, Mary and Joseph were refugees fleeing to Egypt.

    WWJD

    • Litterbox

      Do unto others also comes to mind.

    • WUSRPH

      They would not qualify to enter the US under either the Trump or Cruz immigration plans…for, among other reasons, they had no visible signs of support and we already have a surplus of carpenters. Plus they would have had trouble proving parentage.

    • Hugh Everett

      Remember how a single case of Ebola destroyed democrats in the 2014 midterm election?Remember how the Iranian Hostage Crisis destroyed democrats in the 1980 election?Remember how Swiftboat Veterans For Truth destroyed democrats in the 2004 election?Are 10,000 Syrian refugees really worth it? Democrats are just one terrorist attack away from extinction.

      • Indiana Pearl

        Conflating lots of unrelated issues . . .

        • Hugh Everett

          There’s only one issue: Democrats stupidly destroying themselves in elections.

          • Indiana Pearl

            The GOP has no long-term strategy, just homophobia, Islamophobia, racism, and anti-woman policies.

            You guys are dead meat if you don’t change.

          • Unwound

            too bad dems stupid mistakes arent going to be enough to save the republican party from oblivion.

      • Indiana Pearl

        A single case of ebola drew a bright light on a Dallas hospital’s procedures.

        Lots of factors destroyed Carter.

        The Swiftboaters were right-wing nut cases who attempted to besmirch Kerry’s service. Where was GWB during the VN war? AWOL . . .

        • WUSRPH

          I have always thought that the horrible inflation we were suffering thru at the time had more to do with Carter’s defeat than the hostage affair. Of course, it started under Nixon and Ford, but Cater took the blame. (Nixon went so far in his effort to control inflation that—on the advice of that great Texas economist John Connally–he instituted wage and price controls! When I got a promotion in my private industry job they had to call the extra money an expense account in order to get around the wage controls. He also unpegged the dollar from the price of gold which was officially set at the time at $35 per ounce. What is gold today? Hundreds per ounce?)

          • dave in texas

            You got me all curious, so I went and checked. The current spot price of gold is $1,085 per ounce. That’s down some; over the last couple of years, it’s mostly been around $1,300/oz.

          • WUSRPH

            To be absolutely fair I should have pointed out that one of he causes of the inflation was that LBJ and the Congress’ decision to finance the war in Vietnam without raising taxes. Like George W. in Iraq they declined to make the American people make any direct financial sacrifice to pay for the war.

          • Jed

            it was up closer to $2000 in the height of the ron paul goldbugger craze a handful of years back.

  • roadgeek

    “…What most concerns the law-enforcement community is not a fake refugee but a long-term resident who later becomes radicalized. The Tsarnaev brothers, who perpetrated the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing, arrived in the U.S. on tourist visas in 2002 at the ages of 15 and 8. Radicalization is an increasing problem, evidenced by the fact that stories about young Americans trying to sneak off to join jihad are no longer uncommon….”
    Jason Riley, Wall Street Journal

    • Indiana Pearl

      Go back to amren.com.

      • Jed

        at least when he is quoting someone else, we aren’t exposed to his own thoughts.

        • Indiana Pearl

          Have you ever perused amren.com? Nauseating . . .

          • Jed

            i’m nauseated plenty right here. i don’t need to go looking for it.

          • Indiana Pearl

            I prefer to monitor crazy people from time to time. “Keep your friends close. Keep your enemies closer.”

    • Unwound

      amazing that white supremacists like yourself are responsible for more US deaths since 9/11 than jihadis.

  • WUSRPH

    The answer is RABID POLITICIANS playing on Fear…which, as Edmund Burke, explained means that:

    No power so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of
    acting and reasoning as fear.”

    • Rules of Blazon

      Ever watch the movie “The Dunera Boys”? Great film about British Jews sent to a camp in Australia during WWII.

    • John Johnson

      Would you kindly quit requoting this over and over? Diligence and fear are not synonymous.

      • WUSRPH

        I cannot help it if Burke was right about the impact of fear mongers on the general public. As to “diligence”, it isn’t as if we were just opening a gate to a vast crowd and saying “anyone who wants to, come on in”. This is not some sort of a modern Oklahoma Land Rush. We are talking about 10,000 people carefully selected from among several million.

      • WUSRPH

        REPEAT: NO ONE. Not the WPE…or Me or R.G. is advocating “opening the gate and letting them in”. We are talking about 10,000 men, women and children out of several million. It is not a first come, first served deal. They will be carefully screened and probably monitored after they get her.

        • Jed

          i am.

          • WUSRPH

            But even then you are not advocating just “opening the gate”…..

      • Indiana Pearl

        How would YOU like to live in a tent city in the Arabian desert?

        • John Johnson

          The Muslims ought to love it. It is Mecca.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Bigot.

          • Indiana Pearl

            “Lack of work”? What kind of work can be found in a tent city? Geez . . .

          • WUSRPH

            Only a small minority of Muslims live in the Middle East or Saudi Arabia….Mecca may be a holy city….but the climate is such that few people choose to live there or would want to do so. Most live in totally different climate zones. In fact, the largest number of Muslims live in Indonesia……

          • Indiana Pearl

            And the second largest number live in India . . .

      • Jed

        so your position is that refugees must be vitted for ID berfore being allowed into the cvountry?

        well, that was easy. that was of course the plan all along.

        so no other objections to proceeding then?

      • WUSRPH

        There is a possibility that the WPE will make you his special envoy for peace in the Middle East. There is a possibility of almost anything happening. But that does not mean that it will happen. The question is: What is the PROBABILITY not whether something is possible. When you are dealing with only 10,000 people who will be carefully screened over a period of a year or more, the PROBABILITY gets very, very small…..In fact it is probably not measurable.

  • PrattonTexas

    Great piece. Now, let’s put the poorly to unscreened folk in your house and neighborhood. Come on, you old fossil lib. Federal law requires a level of screening that cannot be done for these follk.

    • Gunslinger

      What a shining example of Christianity you are.

    • r.g. ratcliffe

      The process usually takes 18 months to two years before a refugee is even allowed into the United States. A terrorist is more likely to get in on a tourist visa.

  • Litterbox

    Whats changed is that we have a xenophobic bigot for Governor.

    • vietvet3

      I suspect Gov. Abbott is a decent man who, like so many others, has learned to pander to the worst among us in order to get elected. Dan Patrick honed this vile skill on hate radio. WPE G W Bush is also a decent man. In his case he was overwhelmed by Cheney and Rummy, resulting in the disaster we face in the Middle East.

      • WUSRPH

        “Decent” me don’t “pander to the worst amongst us” A “decent man” would, in fact, condemn such actions.

        • vietvet3

          I think you know what I mean.

          • Jed
      • Jed

        if i had a nickel ofr every person called a “decent man” in the same sentence as their atrocities were listed …

        you know, sometimes, people who habitually do bad stuff are just plain bad people.

    • yogizorch .

      What’s changed is these radical muslim terrorists will behead you, and so-called moderate muslims want radical muslims to behead you.

      • Jed

        if that were true, it wouldn’t be new, would it? or did islam just go around the bend in the past 15 years?

        come on. the people who have gotten crazy in just the past fifteen years are decidedly the christians.

    • Jed

      what changed is fox news and talk radio. our country’s discourse has never been the same.

      • Indiana Pearl

        We can blame that on Ronnie Reagan and the destruction of Fairness Doctrine.

    • Indiana Pearl

      And a fearful bigot at that.

  • What are dems afraid of…..when I turn to the state run media all I hear is fear.

    Time to face facts dems the dems have come home to roost and it is going to be a bloodbath in 2016 for dems.

    Democrat Senator Zell Miller told us republicans the safety of his family was more important that the democrat party. He also said “you can’t fix stupid” referring to today’s democrats.”

    • Indiana Pearl

      “Crazy old fat guy . . .”

      • WUSRPH

        Lest someone forget:
        The Democratic candidate for president received more votes than the Republican in 5 of the last 6 presidential elections and the Democratic candidate became president after 4 of those elections.

        • Indiana Pearl

          By millions of votes . . .

          • dead voters…..

          • Indiana Pearl

            The only substance that is dead is the material inside your skull.

        • Wow!

          “Looking to the actual numbers, Politifact is forced to agree that, in the last seven years, the Democrats have lost 11 governorships, 13 U.S. Senate seats, 69 House seats, and an amazing 910 state legislative seats. Visibly frustrated, they turn to national Gallup polls. Democrats in 2008 had 38% support; today it is 29%. -”

          http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2015/11/16/cruz-pushes-back-against-politifact-fact-checker-democratic-party

          • Indiana Pearl

            “Crazy old fat guy . . .”

          • Jed

            it is true that democrats only seem to win in presidential years.

            if we want the quality of our public policy to stop dropping like a lodestone, the democratic party needs to figure out a way to GOTV in *every* election.

          • WUSRPH

            You forgot to mention that Republican strength is DOWN to 23% of the population.

            http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/

            “The share of independents in the public, which long ago surpassed the percentages of either Democrats or Republicans, continues to increase. Based on 2014 data, 39% identify as independents, 32% as Democrats and 23% as Republicans. This is the highest percentage of independents in more than 75 years of public opinion polling. (For a timeline of party affiliation among the public since 1939, see this interactive feature.)

            When the partisan leanings of independents are taken into account, 48% either identify as Democrats or lean Democratic; 39% identify as Republicans or lean Republican. The gap in leaned party affiliation has held fairly steady since 2009, when Democrats held a 13-point advantage (50% to 37%).”

            But then that would require actually reading an article rather than just the summary line.

  • Jim

    What has changed? No other group of refugees belonged to a religion that commanded them to “kill the infidel.” Also, these are young military aged men who should be rising up against their government, not running and leaving the women and children to fend for themselves.

    • WUSRPH

      As history has proven again and again in all areas of the world and on every continent and during every century, religious differences have been the cause of millions of deaths as members of one religion slaughtered members of another and vice versa time and time again . All in the name of religious purity and in the name of God…..proving over and over again as Pascal said:

      “Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.”

      We Christians may not be doing it so often any more….but do not delude yourself into believing hat we have not done it many, many times in the past and that we may do it again.

      • Jim

        True Christians have always been the target of persecution, never the persecutors. Catholics have killed Christians and Muslims have killed Christians and Communists have killed Christians. There has never been a case where Christians were the persecutors.

        • WUSRPH

          I would think the millions of South and Central Americans who were “Christianized” by a combination of the Sword and the Cross would differ with that. As would all those Oak Tree hugging Germanic tribes who were given a choice by Charlemagne of convert or die. Of course, I suspect you will say that none of those were “true Christians” since “true Christians” would not do such things. I tend to agree, but then I have only met about two people during my life-time that I would say qualify as being “true Christians”. It is a sorry fact that they are so few and far between.

          • Jim

            True Christians are certainly few and far between. The examples you gave are all examples of Catholics murdering people, not Christians. Catholics have a long history of murdering people…mostly Christians. Foxe’s Book of Martyrs is almost entirely about Christians murdered by Catholics

          • WUSRPH

            I think if you check a little history…say of the 30 years war, you will find plenty to non-Catholic Christians killing plenty of Catholics and other non-Catholic Christians. Then there were all the nice things Martin Luther, John Knox and John Calvin said about other Christians and Catholics (Calvin burned one or two other not-as-pure non-Catholic Christians) plus Elizabeth I did here very best to kill Catholic priests and believers (including my ancestors). No Christian group–and I include Catholics in that grouping although it appears you do not—has clean hands.

            As to how ferocious Catholics are or were (and many of them were pretty ferocious) I kind of like what one old historian of religion said about the difference between the way the Papacy in Rome and Calvin in Geneva would have (or did) treat Galileo. As he put it, the Catholics sentenced him to house arrest but had Calvin got his hands on him, he would have burned him (as he did
            Michael Servetus.)

          • Jim

            We are not talking about the not nice things that some Christians have said, but about murder.

            Calvin had Servetus executed for committing a capital crime in the community that Calvin was the head of the government for. We can disagree with the laws at the time, but this is not a case of persecution. You are trying to change the subject from talking about the terrorism of the Muslims to questionable politics of the Christians.

            Calvin would not have punished Galileo. In fact, most protestants agreed with Galileo. It was only the Catholics who did not like his science, because it challenged their non Biblical traditions.

          • WUSRPH

            Calvin WAS a strict interpretationist. A “the literal word of God” Christian. Galileo challenged that dogma. He would have been BURNED.

            In fact, this is what he said about the ideas that Galileo was spreading:

            “The Christian is not to compromise so as to obscure the distinction between good and evil, and is to avoid the errors of] those dreamers who have a spirit of bitterness and contradiction, who reprove everything and prevent the order of nature. We will see some who are so deranged, not only in religion but who in all things reveal their monstrous nature, that they will say that the sun does not move, and that it is the earth which shifts and turns. When we see such minds we must indeed CONFESS THAT THE DEVIL POSSES them, and that God sets them before us as mirrors, in order to keep us in his fear. So it is with all who argue out of pure malice, and who happily make a show of their imprudence. When they are told: “That is hot,” they will reply: “No, it is plainly cold.” When they are shown an object that is black, they will say that it is white, or vice versa. Just like the man who said that snow is black; for although it is perceived and known by all to be white, yet he clearly wished to contradict the fact. And so it is that they are madmen who would try to change the natural order, and even to dazzle eyes and benumb their senses. —John Calvin, “Sermon on 1 Corinthians 10:19-24”, – See more at: http://biologos.org/blogs/archive/john-calvin-on-nicolaus-copernicus-and-heliocentrism#sthash.GuG5JfUl.dpuf

            Hardly a defense of science!

            And “most” Christians did not accept Galileo at the time for that same reason. The idea of a “open minded” Protestantism and “Confessional” Christians (who do not consider themselves to be protestants) is a latter development. Ask the Dutch reformers, the Anabaptists, the Quakers and many others how their advance views were accepted by those “Good Christians” in the Catholic, Protestant or Confessional Churches. Or asks Jews everywhere. In this country, ask Roger Williams and Ann Hutchinson. Or my “Tidewater Catholics” relatives in Maryland who passed an Act of Toleration for all Christian faiths only to have their government overthrown by Protestants and the Act REPEALED so that Catholics, Quakers, Baptists and others could be and were legally discriminated against right up thru the American Revolution. No, sir, Christians, true or not, can not claim some special status..

            P.S. That “capitol crime” Servetus was convicted of was questioning the Trinity and the Incarnation of Christ. But then Calvin and his followers were “open minded” unlike those hostile to new thoughts Catholics.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Servetus was killed because he believed that Jesus was not divine.

          • Indiana Pearl

            See above.

          • Indiana Pearl

            You have been deceived.

        • Indiana Pearl

          Catholics ARE Christians. They are the ORIGINAL Christians. Or were you taught otherwise?

          My Catholic ancestors, both English and Irish, were hunted down by Oliver Cromwell’s gang, as well as Church of England murderers.

          You have also neglected to mention the Crusades . . .

          • Jim

            A Christian is one who follows Christ, which we see how to do from the Bible. Just because a group says that they follow Christ does not make them Christian. I would put the Catholics and the foundational Church of England in the same camp as those who claim Christ, but whose actions and theology show otherwise. You indicate that both camps are guilty of systematic murder and that is the antithesis of Christian. Theologically, both groups deny the gospel that teaches that man is inherently evil and can only approach God due to the finished work of Christ by grace through faith, and not by good works because man is unable to do good. I know that this definition is narrow, but Jesus did declare that the way is narrow and few there be that find it.

            The crusades were done by these Catholics, who we already have determined have been murderers.

          • Jed

            “Just because a group says that they follow Christ does not make them Christian. ”

            agreed. some are too judgmental to qualify, for instance.

          • Jim

            Says the one who just made a judgment. The Bible commands to “judge with a righteous judgement. “

          • Jed

            yes, well, i’m not the one claiming to be a christian.
            i am free to judge with impunity.

            meanwhile, you might want to have a look at the log in your eye.

          • Indiana Pearl

            “Judge not lest ye be judged.”

            “‘Judgement is MINE,’ saith the Lord.”

          • WUSRPH

            When did Catholics, etc. stop believing in Original Sin?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Catholic theology denies “justification by faith alone” and are encouraged to be in a state of grace always by acts of faith, hope, and CHARITY. Catholics are told in confession, “Go and sin no more.”

            Protestants sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent.

            You sure give protestantism a bad name.

          • Jim

            Protestants do sin and repent repeatedly. We all sin repeatedly despite Jesus’ command to go and sin no more. The key question is: have you repented? The Bible teaches salvation by grace alone through faith alone, but also teaches that saving faith is never alone. Many protestants neglect the second part, while Catholicism rejects the first part. Failing on either part can indicate that one is not a Christian. These theological details are very important

          • WUSRPH

            Waiting for a retraction of your Calvin loved Galileo claim…But then maybe Calvin was lying when he said that people who believed what Galileo believed were possessed by the Devil.

          • Jim

            I never said that Calvin loved Galileo. In fact, Calvin was in heaven before Galileo even started to study astronomy. Calvin never heard of Galileo. Calvin did not understand astronomy, but his study of Scripture did not put him at odds with science like the Catholic religion was. Calvin simply stated that the systems could only move at God’s command, which is not at all in contrast to Galileo. He certainly did not want to execute a man that he never heard of, as you claimed.

          • WUSRPH

            In fact, the astronomer whom Calvin was condemning was Copernicus .who was suggesting what Galileo later helped prove with this telescope. Calvin was clearly out odds with science as Copernicus saw it in specifically condemning the belief that the world was not the center of the universe. I did not mean to suggest that Calvin and Galielo were contemporaries. I was just—as the old theologian was—suggesting the difference in their approach to the Copernican theories expressed by Galileo.

            It is hard to see how Calvins’ clear and strong denunciation of:

            “some who are so deranged, not only in religion but who in all things reveal their monstrous nature, that they will say that the sun does not move, and that it is the earth which shifts and turns. When we see such minds we must indeed CONFESS THAT THE DEVIL POSSES them..”

            can be called anything else but anti-science and even of the science of his age (Copernicus). But you will continue to excuse his lack of knowledge and his willingness to condemn (AND KILL) those who did not believe as he did no matter what any one says so I will not bother to continue this non-discussion..

          • Jim

            Yes, I agree that Calvin had no clue on astronomy, but your initial claim took it way too far. Btw, I have read volumes of Calvin’s writings, and even named a son after him.

          • Jed

            “You sure give protestantism a bad name.”

            who doesn’t?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Jimmy Carter and Bill Moyer are both Baptists.

          • Jed

            you can’t win this. evangelicals got the idea sometime in the past decade or so that they are the only true christians and that specifically catholics don’t count. they will argue this until everyone else leaves the room. no amount of actual historical, cultural, logical, or religious insight is going to change his mind.

            i’m sure it has everything to do with detailed biblical exegesis (and nothing to do with race).

          • Indiana Pearl

            To be honest I had to come to Texas (from southern Indiana) to be told that Catholics aren’t Christians. Unbelievable! Or maybe it’s just Texas . . .

        • Unwound

          this has to be satire

    • Jed

      “No other group of refugees belonged to a religion that commanded them to “kill the infidel.” ”

      you mean besides all of them? religion is not what changed in the past fifteen years …

    • Rules of Blazon

      You’re talking about the tens of thousands of Christians fleeing Syria, right?

  • Personally I want to encourage democrats to keep it up……you’re doing a great jobs dems.

    “Looking to the actual numbers, Politifact is forced to agree that, in the last seven years, the Democrats have lost 11 governorships, 13 U.S. Senate seats, 69 House seats, and an amazing 910 state legislative seats. Visibly frustrated, they turn to national Gallup polls. Democrats in 2008 had 38% support; today it is 29%. – ”
    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2015/11/16/cruz-pushes-back-against-politifact-fact-checker-democratic-party

    • Indiana Pearl

      Right-wing propaganda site . . .

      • Madrigalian

        Says the one typing comments in a left wing propaganda site…

        • WUSRPH

          If you think this group of middle-of-the-roaders are “leftists” you have obviously never met a real leftist. Of course, you have met many who claim to be “conservatives”, but most do not even understand what the term means. TeaPartiers, for example, are much more likely to be right-wing populists than conservatives.

          • Madrigalian

            TM is completely leftist. Always has been.

          • WUSRPH

            Boy, I wonder what your reaction is going to be when you really see a publication that is leftist. Next time you are in a bookstore (assuming you ever are) take down a copy of the magazine The Nation and compare it to TM. Even you should be clearly able to see the difference.

          • Madrigalian

            Did I say TM was more or less leftist than _____? No. I said TM was leftist. Because it is. You know it. I know it. It’s not a secret.

          • WUSRPH

            Again, by any objective standard of its political bias, if any, TM cannot qualify as being “leftist” . To think it is left-of-center, your idea of the political center has to be very far to the right. (PS…If its was leftist I doubt it would let Erica say all the nasty things she has said about Medicaid and the ACA unless it was advocating some sort of single-payer national health care system to replace them, which it definitely is not.)

          • Madrigalian

            And when everything you read is leftist, leftist becomes centrist. As in the case of thinking TM is at all centrist.

          • WUSRPH

            I try to read across the spectrum. I even read some of Michael Q. Sullivan’s hogwash…and I have been ducking into the National Review for probably longer than you have been alive. (The problem with really leftist stuff, such as the ISR (mentioned previously) is that their prose is so turgid.)

          • Turgid….bad prose gets you aroused?

          • WUSRPH

            Preferred first definition is:

            “Dictionary

            turgid

            CloseStyle: MLA APA Chicago

            adjective tur·gid ˈtər-jəd

            : very complicated and difficult to understand”

            Very much unlike you….

          • Indiana Pearl

            He flunked the verbals on the SAT. I doubt he took the GREs. He hates education and let’s other people do his thinking.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Trash mouth . . .

          • Indiana Pearl

            M. does not analyze. Baggers believe everything they see on Faux Noise.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Waffling . . .

        • Indiana Pearl

          TM “left wing”???? Hahahahaha . . .

          • dave in texas

            Eh, he probably thinks Breitbart and Stormfront are centrist..

  • ahhh now it is getting good…

    “A Utah county prosecutor said Wednesday he is investigating U.S. Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada in connection with a pay-to-play scheme involving two former Utah attorneys general.”

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HARRY_REID_UTAH_INVESTIGATION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-11-18-15-57-54

    Dems lie cheat and steal, lets put some in jail.

    • WUSRPH

      What was that recently about a former GOP Speaker of the U.S. House pleading guilty to bribery?…He didn’t take the bribes, He paid them so certain former students of his would not tell what they knew about him. Just one more of the many, many, many GOP leaders who have had, problems with sexual offenses in recent years. In fact, there is an entire web site of them.

      http://jesusnorepublican.org/+Reasonable/gopimmorality.html

      Seems a lot of them have troubles with their zippers, especially around people younger then them…..

      P.S. This post has as much to do with the subject as JBB’s…both should have been removed.

      • nah I have to right to post off topic as much as dems.
        Erica same time next week…..

  • Is Atty Gen Loretta Lynch fit to serve?

    “Justice Department officials used “prosecutorial discretion” to shelter former IRS official Lois Lerner from a grand jury after she was held in contempt of Congress.”

    http://hotair.com/archives/2015/11/18/lynch-lois-lerner-was-protected-by-prosecutorial-discretion/

    After the scandalous Clinton admin Bush 43 said lets move on and not press charges.
    Will Prez Ted Cruz do the same? I wouldn’t bet the farm on it dems….

    • WUSRPH

      The Bush record is to pardon offenders just before their trials….especially if their testimony might show that a member of the Bush family had not, shall we say, told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

      https://www.nytimes.com/books/97/06/29/reviews/iran-pardon.html

      Again, a post totally off the subject, just like the Troll’s.

      • So we should hold dems to the Bush standard? I agree, Scooter Libby went to prison for lying……round em up Dano. Any dem that lies goes to jail.

        • Indiana Pearl

          Cheny and Rove should have been his cell mates.

          • WUSRPH

            Sorry but Scooter NEVER served a day. Bush gave him a “don’t go to jail ticket” but, perhaps to Bush’s credit, he did not give him a full pardon as Cheney wanted him to do.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Lost his law license as I recall . . .

  • Robert Covington

    The world would and will rightfully call us cowards if we refused to help thousands out of fear of one or two ( or even ten or twenty). This states glorious heroes have never been afraid to face difficulty or danger for the sake of the good and the just. Will we be the heroes we imagine ourselves to be? Will we embrace the unconquerable spirit that is our birthright as Texans? Will we exemplify that truly American sentiment and reach out to help “the huddled masses yearning to breath free?” Or are we now represented by spinelessness, timidity, cowardice, and yellow bellied pandering. If so then I’d be ashamed to admit that there are no more Rough Riders here. But I bet we’ll come around and insist that that craven in the governor’s mansion recant and declare to the world that; As big as the state of Texas is, it is to small by far to contain our bravery. We will gladly aid and protect those in need. Let them come. God put heaven in Texas and there is room enough for all!

    • vietvet3

      AMEN!

    • Jed

      “Will we exemplify that truly American sentiment and reach out to help “the huddled masses yearning to breath free?” Or are we now represented by spinelessness, timidity, cowardice, and yellow bellied pandering. ”

      all indications suggest the latter is the “truly American sentiment” and the former is mere myth.

      • WUSRPH

        A good example would be the way the US Dept. of State both before and during WWII blocked most European Jews from being able to find refuge in the US even while Hitler was killing as many of them as he could. This continued right up virtually to the end of WWII. Another would be the 1920s immigration reform acts that, based on racial and ethnic factors, made it much harder for anyone not from Western Europe to immigrate to the U.S. The sorry fact is that our hands are not clean…although we can take some comfort from the facts that both others have much dirtier hands and that we have often fell bad about what we did.

  • WUSRPH

    Look what I received this evening:

    “X– you have not yet activated your CRUZ CREW exclusive member
    card.

    As one of my most dedicated conservative supporters, I
    want to get you your first edition CRUZ CREW membership card today.

    Click here to chip in and activate your membership
    today >>>”
    I only hope the rest of his contact list is as fouled up as this one is.

    • Why do dems lie, because they can

      • Indiana Pearl

        “. . . . He has no friends.”

        • It tells us in the bible to be judicious when choosing friends and to have only a few and keep them close…..
          and then there are those that believe you should love the one you are with…

          • Indiana Pearl

            You missed a lotta stuff in the bible. For instance, “Gluttony is a sin.”

          • Jed

            i missed the book of CSN.

          • Indiana Pearl

            What is “CSN”? Does Pat Robertson have a show there?

          • Jed I would guess you miss a lot, bless your heart.

          • You think Hillary lives in sin because of her cankles?

  • Madrigalian

    Islam is evil.

    • WUSRPH

      So are most other religions and political dogmas when they are distorted by the self-proclaimed pure.

      • Madrigalian

        I didn’t say Muslims or islamists, nor did I imply that Islam was in any way being distorted. I said it was evil. Period.

        • WUSRPH

          Why? Because it isn’t Christian, even thou it is one of the three religions “of the people of the book” all of which trace their heritage to Abraham? The Koran says some bad things about Christians and Jews, Jews especially, but the teachings of dozens of so-called Christians have been just as bad when it came to Muslims or other pagans or even other branches of Christianity.

          • Madrigalian

            I’m not religious. (Nice try) But I have studied religions. Islam is unique. It is in fact, evil. Always has been. Always will be.

          • WUSRPH

            A religion that demands that its followers practice charity to the poor is hard to label as being totally evil.

          • Madrigalian

            Hitler loved children and puppies. He created welfare programs too. So, I guess he was just ‘mostly’ evil. What nonsense.

          • WUSRPH

            Actually, the German welfare programs you mention pre-date Hitler. Most were adopted during the early years of the united German Empire (particularly during the Bismarck period) in order to buy off the German working class. Worked pretty well, too.

            When it comes to measuring or determining the “evilness” of some doctrine or person, I guess I would fall back on the old “totality of the circumstances” measurement. By that standard, there is no question about Hitler being evil but the there are many factors that would lean the other way with Islam and most religions, particularly those Monotheistic ones that try to make man better than he is, which includes Islam.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Hitler was an atheist.

          • Madrigalian

            And evil.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Conflating two concepts . . . did you learn about Christian charity in church?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Mohammed, believe or not, was a reformer. His new religion addressed many of the “evils” of the time – slavery (Christians really liked slavery) and abuse of women, amongst others.

            Educate yourself.

          • Jed

            i learned a lot from watching aladdin, too.

          • Indiana Pearl

            And “Sinbad The Sailor” . . .

          • Madrigalian

            Probably a red letter day for you.

          • Jed

            “dozens”?

            i’d settle for “millions.”

    • Jed

      and TM is leftist. anything else we should add here so all your lunatic nonsense can be consolidated for reference?

    • Unwound

      man that totally explains all of those indonesians bombing people

      • Madrigalian

        Indonesia is the largest supplier of foreign fighters to ISIS and the Syrian conflict, in the world. They have been fighting Islamic terrorists for decades.

        None of which matters, as I didn’t say; “Indonesians” were evil.

        • Indiana Pearl

          Gotta a citation for that?

          Remember, more Muslims in Indonesia than any other country . . .

        • Unwound

          yeah thats not even close to being true. even the UK has sent more than indonesia.

          its an islamic majority country. why would they be fighting islamic terrorism if islam is evil? wouldnt they be state-sponsoring more terrorism?

  • Facts don’t bear out democrat’s false allegations of fear mongering….

  • Remember when the democrat got his panties in a wad because I said dems were anti-American? Remember how he got so righteously indignant he told TM that either I go or he goes? Welp he didn’t go….he lied and his favorite president has now said if you don’t agree with dems you are un-American.

    Prez Obama said, ” I think that’s un-American,”

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-anti-immigrant-views-are-un-american/article/2572028

    If we don’t agree with the worst president ever and his un-American jack booted thugs we should be silenced?

    • Indiana Pearl
      • WUSRPH

        No one–left, right or center—uneducated fool or genius–should ever all anyone else “un-American” and be allowed to go unchallenged.

        • Indiana Pearl

          Why? First amendment . . .

          • WUSRPH

            Again, the First Amendment only covers restrictions on your speech by the government. It does not cover private persons or their power to censor your speech. Only the government.

          • Indiana Pearl

            I read NY Mag on line. Trolls there, so the NY folks say, do the same thing as Booksie – name changes and other infantile behavior. At least the trolls there are not illiterate . . .

          • WUSRPH

            So do I, but it lacks the Texas connection.

          • Indiana Pearl

            True, so we soldier on.

    • Indiana Pearl

      Many TM readers complained to the editors about your potty mouth. You were given an ultimatum. You cleaned up your language. You “bent the knee.”

      We won. You lost.

      • John Johnson

        While I hate to see this subject resurrected, I have to set the record straight. I’m glad WUSRPH came back, but it is as JBB states. One guy is gone,but it is not him. You guys moaned and groaned and became apoplectic. TM did nothing other than remind us to take it down a notch. Which we have.

        • Indiana Pearl

          Booksie has been banned everywhere but TM. He’s on his last leg . . .

        • Indiana Pearl

          Yeah, yeah, Mr. W. came back. I wish he’d stayed true to his vow, but now that he’s back, he is, as always, a great resource.

          Booksie had already had his mouth washed out with soap before Mr. W. delivered his ultimatum. Many posters complained about his nasty talk. Let’s not give Booksie credit where it’s not deserved.

          • John Johnson

            You must have been privy to something the rest of us were not. I had a few posts held for review. He might have, too, after they placed some filter to reject certain words, but nothing more. I had one held yesterday for use the term ” holy he*l”. They went overboard. I also remember you threatening to go, too. To their credit, TM ignored all of you.

          • Jed

            “You must have been privy to something the rest of us were not. ”

            Yes. Brian Sweaney responds to emails.

          • John Johnson

            Yeah, he’s always responded to mine. You point being? That he sent an email to Pearl saying he had chewed out JBB and slapped him in line? Yeah, that happened.

          • Indiana Pearl

            The long-suffering Mr. Sweany has never e-mailed me except when Dogs went berserkers, nor do I expect him to do so.

          • and I missed it?

          • John Johnson

            And I missed mine.

          • Indiana Pearl

            You miss a lot.

          • Indiana Pearl

            You have a selective memory. I don’t recall threatening to go. If I did it was because Booksie has a nasty mouth. By the time I went to India in June, he’d gotten sent to the metaphorical woodshed, so I’ve stayed. I learn a lot about Texas here.

            “The power of collective action,” JJ, works whether you like it or not.

          • John Johnson

            Oh, I love it. The more the merrier.

            I remember you, WUSRPH and the really touchy woman from Midland all conspiring to go somewhere else…but no more about that. Let’s move on to disagreeing about something pertinent.

          • WUSRPH

            As to conspiring with a lady from Midland “you must have been privy to something the rest of us were not.”

          • John Johnson

            Just read the stream of emails amongst you three.

          • WUSRPH

            Again…I never thought there was an adequate alternative for the BB when it came to Texas issues. Nor did I or do I think that one could be started. You have to have the resources and the ability to produce new items on a regular basis. TM has at least one of those and sometimes is close to being able to meet the need for a regular basis. Nothing any of use could start—had we wanted to—could match that. You tend to read into things what is often not there.

          • John Johnson

            Possibly so.

          • Indiana Pearl

            You must have a lot of time to waste.

          • Indiana Pearl

            He must mean Lilly. If so I had no idea she is from Midland.

          • Actually nothing of the sort happened….you’re getting dazed and confused.

          • WUSRPH

            Your comment just added to my own thoughts….You are right. I should not have come back…So I will try to honor my pledge once again.

          • Indiana Pearl

            I know you will fight the good fight!

        • WUSRPH

          Your comment just added to my own thoughts….You are right. I should not have come back…So I will try to honor my pledge once again.

      • Only in your confused mind.

    • WUSRPH

      Matthew 5 20:21 ,,,,Is a more appropriate verse for you. By the way, I never said “you or me”…..I said I would not be part of a blog that allowed you to defame others, lie freely and, in those days, use sexual curses……..I plan to try to honor that statement…..being associated with you in any way is too disgusting of a thought.

  • Democrats say Charlie Hebdo murders rationale….

    “In Tuesday remarks to the staff and their families at the U.S. Embassy in Paris, Secretary of State John Kerry suggested there was a “rationale” for the January Islamic terror attacks against the journalists/cartoonists at Charlie Hebdo magazine in Paris, France, that resulted in the murder of 12 people.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/17/john-kerry-there-was-a-rationale-for-the-charlie-hebdo-terror-attack/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

    Lets face facts democrats say if you don’t agree with them you should be silenced by any means necessary.

    • Indiana Pearl

      “Rational” and “rationale” are not synonyms. Your analysis is, as always, irrational. Did you flunk the verbal portions of the SAT?

      • Have someone read the article and explain it to you.

        BTW how many pant suits do you own?

        ““She’s 69 years old!” Fitzsimmons made fun of Hillary’s outfits with this insult: “She looks like a linebacker playing for T.J. Maxx. It’s the kind of outfit that you see — ‘Who wore it better? Caitlyn Jenner or Hillary Clinton?’”

        http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2015/11/19/comedy-club-owner-hillarys-demanding-jokes-be-taken-web

        • Indiana Pearl

          “Booksie’s posts are not rational. He has no rationale for anythng he says or does.”

          Crazy old fat guy . . .

          No pants suits in my wardrobe, but President Grandma will have many.

          • I’ve noticed that most grandmas and especially you can’t discuss a point so you try to change the subject to spelling errors or anything else. Is focusing on a topic too confusing?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Not a word about your spelling errors . . . it would take every hour of every day.

            What does the 23rd Psalm have to with the topic? Do you think you’re cracking up?

          • “I will fear no evil,”
            again you missed the point…..is there a grandchild that enough to explain these posts to you?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Neither do I.

          • You’re a veteran too?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Nope. Is that how you define it? Since you’ve not seen combat, you’re in no position to make that claim.

          • I didn’t think so.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Tell us all about it. You insulted veterans a few months ago. Now you’re a tough veteran.

          • Nope I criticized democrats for being anti-American.
            Facts are not your friend.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Mr. W. may prove you wrong – again.

          • Never has and never will…..grandama.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Hamburger Hill? Tet offensive? Death March to Bataan? Tell us, tough guy.

          • Sounds like you hate us vets, spit on many?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Tell us some war stories, Booksie. How many bad guys did you kill? How many medals did you receive? How tough are you?

          • and get you all excited….I don’t think so grandma.

          • John Johnson

            Geeezzz. Really???

  • Jim

    Says the all knowing one. /sarcasm

    • Indiana Pearl

      There is no proof, only one’s willingness to suspend disbelief.

      Read a book, The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Differ about Politics and Religion, by Jonathan Haidt. Of course, you never will – too scary to step outside your Calvinist bubble.

  • Dr Ben Carson is right when he asks dems, “what do you think the I in ISIS stands for?
    Maybe one of the more intelligent dems here will know….snicker.

    • Indiana Pearl

      Who cares? Carson thinks that the pyramids were used to store grain.

  • nickthap

    What has changed is that whites are quickly becoming a minority in this state, and they’re scared.

    • Psalm 23

      A psalm of David.

      1 The Lord is my shepherd, I lack nothing.
      2 He makes me lie down in green pastures,
      he leads me beside quiet waters,
      3 he refreshes my soul.
      He guides me along the right paths
      for his name’s sake.
      4 Even though I walk
      through the darkest valley,[a]
      I will fear no evil,
      for you are with me;
      your rod and your staff,
      they comfort me.

      My cup runneth over

      5 You prepare a table before me
      in the presence of my enemies.
      You anoint my head with oil;
      my cup overflows.
      6 Surely your goodness and love will follow me
      all the days of my life,
      and I will dwell in the house of the Lord
      forever.

      • Indiana Pearl

        Be sure to say “Merry Christmas” instead of “Happy Holidays” to Syrian refugees denied a new life. Then they’ll know you’re devout.

        • I always say Merry Christmas it makes the hate mongers angry.

          • John Johnson

            Merry Christmas, JBB.

          • Merry Christmas to you JJ and Erica

          • Indiana Pearl

            Happy Diwali!

          • Diwali was so last week…..

          • Indiana Pearl

            Happy holidays!

  • Indiana Pearl

    Didn’t they believe priests wear cossacks to hide demonic tails?

  • WUSRPH

    Stupid, stupider, most stupid:
    The system has gotten so stupid that when I tried to leave a parting note to the Troll suggesting a bible quotation he might want to take to heart—now that he is entering some for us to study—the system REJECTED IT. I guess even Jesus is not allowed to use the word referring to the place where people who call others traitors go. The verses are Mathew 5 20:21. Actually, all of us might want to keep them in mind when we deal with others. Bye Now.

    • But isn’t this new system a byproduct of what you and others demanded from TM?

      • Indiana Pearl

        No. Your potty mouth and bullying are the issue.

        • you seem to remember things differently than most, did you fall and bump your head too?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Just you and JJ . . . Maybe he can be your coach. He likes football.

          • Oh I like football too, will that get us banned from here too?

        • John Johnson

          Pearl, you have become what you were railing about. It would appear that you are initiating conflict, and you get a terse response in return. Try just being pointed without the personal attacks.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Control your boy. He’s out of control.

          • grandma you can’t control me and that is making you looney, anyone who calls someone else a boy is a bonafide racist.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Let’s see:

            Booksie says whatever you want and you sing the praises of TM. I speak out and you pull an Archie Bunker.

  • Dems create a new cottage industry…fake passports. They just keep on creating new job opportunities.

  • Are democrats delusional?

    “Mocking Republicans over this—as liberals spent much of yesterday doing on my Twitter stream—seems absurdly out of touch to a lot of people. Not just wingnut tea partiers, either, but plenty of ordinary centrists too. It makes them wonder if Democrats seriously see no problem here. Do they care at all about national security? Are they really that detached from reality?”

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/11/liberals-should-knock-mockery-over-calls-limit-syrian-refugees

    yes….

  • Indiana Pearl

    The Farce Awakens

    “What explains the modern right’s propsensity for panic? Part of it, no doubt, is the familiar point that bullies are often also cowards. But I think it’s also linked to the apocalyptic mindset that has developed among Republicans over the Obama years.”

    —- Paul Krugman

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/opinion/republican-refugee-panic-fits-a-pattern.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

    • John Johnson

      Panic: sudden, uncontrollable fear or anxiety…

      There is nothing “sudden” or “uncontrolable” or “fearful” about setting up due diligence procedures. It could be more correctly termed common sense at work.

      • Indiana Pearl

        I call it fascism.

      • dave in texas

        Due diligence procedures are already in place. The United States deals with refugees on a regular basis and has for decades. There’s no reason whatsoever to treat Syrians any differently than any other group of refugees. Yes, there was a recent horrific terrorist attack in Paris. None of the perpetrators were from Syria; they were all French and Belgian. This entire “crisis” surrounding Syrian refugees has been wholly manufactured by a bunch of craven political opportunists. I don’t think it’s indicative of any kind of “cowardice” or anything like that, although the opportunists are certainly doing their best to frighten everyone out of their wits. It’s all just a brazen, cynical political ploy; no more, no less.

        • Their due diligence failed,

          “At least two of the Paris attackers took the migrant route into Europe, according to French reports, intensifying fears that terrorists are passing themselves off as would-be refugees.”

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12006361/At-least-two-Paris-attackers-took-migrant-route-into-Europe.html

          I say we learn from France’s mistakes and do real due diligence as that would be common sense.

          • Indiana Pearl

            All of the attackers were born in France or Belgium. Get with the program.

        • John Johnson

          The 10,000 is nothing really. What I go back to is the tent city in Saudi Arabia that will house 3,000,000. Couple this with the fact we have given the Saudi’s a reported $8B to go towards humanitarian uses makes me wonder why you guys aren’t taking a more balanced look at the situation.

          • dave in texas

            Those things are not mutually exclusive. The Saudis and other middle eastern countries can house some. We can house some. The Canadians have already agreed to take 25,000. Not everybody is suited to live in a tent city, for goodness sake. It would be an incredible hardship to place tens of thousands of women, children, old folks, and the like in tents in the desert.

            I can’t remember where I saw it, but I read a piece a day or two ago in which the writer made a really good case that we should take as many women, children, and old people as we can absorb, but that the military-age men should remain behind, as it is, after all, their fight and their country. Of course, that would be much easier said than done, and there would be a lot of military-age men completely unsuited to be in the military but at first blush, that sounds at least like the beginnings of a workable compromise, if such can even be had these days.

            Like I said above, there are already vetting systems in place; we’ve dealt with refugees from war-torn countries many times before. There’s no reason to think that these Syrian refugees are any more inherently dangerous than refugees from anyplace else. In my opinion, making a special case of the Syrians is nothing but discrimination for the sake of political expedience.

          • John Johnson

            Than we disagree. Desert, tents? These are just any tents. They are for their holy pilgramage. Might even be air conditioned for all I know. When we start taking care of our own, then throw the doors open if you want to. If you were an unemployed vet waiting on benefits; a maimed vet waiting on benefits; a old vet waiting on med care; a mentally ill vet living on the streets; or a special needs child being denied care in Texas, you might resent the fact that even one refugee was going to be taken in, housed, fed, given med care and put on the subsidy rolls. You do-gooder’s keep wanting to ignore our own, yet grab more and pull them into the boat. I call that ignorant.

          • dave in texas

            Again, doing one doesn’t preclude doing the other; it’s not a zero-sum game. Are we doing enough for our vets and special-needs children? Absolutely not, we’re in complete agreement there. Of course, I don’t know how much money is already in the budget to deal with refugee issues (but I am pretty sure there’s a line in the budget for it), or whether or not additional money would have to be appropriated to help with the Syrian influx. But I’m pretty certain the amount wouldn’t even amount to a rounding error in the DOD budget.

            Besides, these people aren’t on a religious pilgrimage. The vast majority of them are fleeing for their lives, staying one step ahead of the violence, probably many of them with barely more than the clothes on their backs. And besides, this tent city you keep referring to–is it near Mecca or Medina? Because Saudi Arabia’s a big place. If Arlington were being overrun from the west and you were headed east, I doubt you’d be thinking “Finally, this is my chance see the monuments in Washington, DC. Oh, I have stay in a tent in the South Carolina swamps? No problem.”

            I suspect we’re going to continue to disagree on this, but I don’t hold the position I do out of ignorance or an unwillingness to take a balanced look at the issue.

          • John Johnson

            Doing one doesn’t preclude…??? Quite frankly,I’m tired of this thinking. Say your family wants to go on a summer vacation and you plan on it. In the interim, a family member has an expensive medical issue. You have a fixed income and depleted savings account. Does one preclude the other? Why do so many of you think it is somehow different when talking about the federal government? The vet and special needs situations are real. You take care of them first or the refugees? It is simple when you reduce it down like this. Congress can’t see things in these terms. I think a couple of the Repub candidates can.

          • dave in texas

            Well, quite frankly, I’m tired of the thinking that assumes running a government in any way resembles running a household. You want to “reduce it down?” We can pay for accepting 10,000 refugees (again, fleeing for their lives) with the coins from the ashtray in the car. We’re not going to have to forgo paying the mortgage or the electric bill to do this. I think we’re starting to talk past one another here, so I’m going to drop this now.

          • John Johnson

            That, in my mind, is the root of the problem. No one wants to compare the two. The government’s balancing the checkbook and a personal one needs to be the same. How many vet’s problems can be remedied with the perpetual dollars that will flow to these 10,000? Who deserves our primary consideration?

          • Jed

            “The government’s balancing the checkbook and a personal one needs to be the same.”

            why? according to whom? not anyone who understands economics or government. it isn’t true just because you want it to be. there have to be actual reasons, and that requires actual understanding.

            you might want to avoid grand economic pronouncements and stick to racist rants, where your bailiwick lies.

          • Jed

            “Why do so many of you think it is somehow different when talking about the federal government? ”

            i explained this to you before, and you said you got it.

            this is why i call you “groundhog day.” every day you wake up and have the same argument again, as if you learned nothing the day beore.

          • BCinBCS

            JJ stated: “What I go back to is the tent city in Saudi Arabia that will house 3,000,000.”

            So your solution is to move the Syrian refugees into the desert in tents where they will be stuck, isolated, jobless, in limbo and increasingly in despair until the war ends. Where do you think ISIS recruits?

            D in Tx stated: “…that the military-age men should remain behind, as it is, after all, their fight and their country.”

            Unless you are willing to to institute a training program to turn them into soldiers, they will be nothing more than a cannon fodder mob (and you’ve seen how well training has worked in the past). Meanwhile, their wives and children are here without a bread-winner requiring the US to support them indefinitely.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Here’s an article from the conservative Cato Institute that refutes the right-wing Fear Factor gang:

            http://www.cato.org/blog/syrian-refugees-dont-pose-serious-security-threat

            Of course, that won’t reassure the fraidy cats.

          • Jed

            cato institute is a leftist loony outfit, dontcha know.

  • TiredOfIt

    Let’s be real here….people from Mexico or Cuba…or whether they be Christian or Jewish are not radicals who blow people up or want to kill others on a mass scale. The article asks what changed?

    What has changed is that NONE of the people or refugees from any of the other countries we accepted were Muslims…let that sink in for a minute. Nope, they were not RADICAL Islamist’s…ALL the other groups integrated into our culture and became valuable citizens of the community.

    Muslims do not integrate and they oppose others who will not follow their way.

    Abbott is right on track with this one. It may not be “Politically Correct” bus so what. It is time to wake up people.

    • Jed

      “Muslims do not integrate and they oppose others who will not follow their way.”

      of course, as i’m sure you are aware, that exact thing has been said in the past to justify discrimination against many minority groups (especially nonwhite ones) like southern europeans and southeast asians (chinese were once banned from immigrating because they would not assimilate, now asian-americans are held up as a “model minority” for so exemplifying “american values”).

      tiredofit, indeed.

      is social studies not on the STAAR test? i think i see a problem.

  • N Powell

    I appreciate this article regardless of the political views it supports because I think more than anything, it contradicts public opinions that portray Texans as selfish, bigoted, and close-minded. I think it also gave some very important nods to the very real safety concerns posed by ISIS within our Texas borders and how some Texans have witnessed first hand the threat posed. Thank you for this well-written article.