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Texas Takes a Hard Line on Syrian Refugees

Greg Abbott hangs the ’no vacancy’ sign.

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This morning Governor Greg Abbott sent a letter to Barack Obama saying that following Friday’s terrorist attacks in Paris, for which ISIS quickly took credit, Texas will not accept any refugees from Syria. In Abbott’s assessment, such resettlement constitutes a potential security risk:

The FBI director testified to Congress that the federal government does not have the background information that is necessary to effectively conduct proper security checks on Syrian nationals. … The threat posed to Texas is very real. ISIS claimed credit last May when two terrorist gunmen launched an attack in Garland, Texas.

About a dozen other Republican governors have taken the same stance. So have most of the Republicans running for president, though Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz added that if the United States must continue with its plans for Syrian refugee resettlement—Obama has said that the country will accept 10,000 of the more than four million Syrians who have been displaced since its civil war began in 2011—we should restrict our welcome to the Christian Syrians.

Needless to say these developments have been accompanied by a fair amount of malicious rhetoric, with Republican leaders alleging that Obama doesn’t care about the safety of American citizens, and Democrats countering that Republicans are being heartless and bigoted. Setting all that aside, the issue is not entirely polarized along party lines: Democratic governors in New Hampshire and Montana have also said that they do not want Syrian refugees resettled in their states. Nor can all the skeptics be fairly accused of brazen Islamophobia. A number of Republicans, including Joe Straus, Nikki Haley, and Marco Rubio, have indicated that they share the concern Abbott specified, over whether refugees from Syria are being adequately vetted. This may not be an insuperable concern but to assume that it’s motivated by prejudice would be unwarranted.

At the same time, the governors who are drawing the line are being unrealistic. While states may have the right to decline to accept refugees on the basis of nationality—there’s some debate about that point—no state can ban interstate travel. Nor can any one expect that closing the country’s doors to all Syrian refugees will be sufficient to preclude all terrorism. The attack Abbott mentions in his letter illustrates both points: the two shooters were apparently inspired by ISIS, but neither was from Syria; they lived in Phoenix.

And it’s worth noting that in Texas, the shooters were thwarted. Having arrived in Garland with ambitious plans for carnage they wounded one person before being shot and killed by police. Many Americans, evidently, are alarmed by the idea of Syrian refugees being resettled here. If the president proceeds as planned, maybe it’s Abbott who should reconsider, if not for humanitarian concerns, then for the safety of Texas’s fellow states.

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  • Rules of Blazon

    Every Christian should be thankful that people do not view Greg Abbott as an example of the faith.

    Greg Abbott should be thankful that, as a Christian, he still has a chance at forgiveness and redemption.

    It is not just today’s action that Greg Abbott has to atone for, of course. Virtually every single choice the man has made in his capacity as a government official has been antithetical to just about anybody’s notion of Christian values.

    His blatant pandering to the most extreme of the right wing is as transparently clownish as Trump’s behavior. It is beyond belief why anyone would take him seriously as anything else.

    That Greg Abbott rationalizes his practice of petty tea-party tactics in the name of Christianity should disgust one and all.

    • John Johnson

      Abbott is a chronic panderer, but he got this one right. We don’t need anymore Middle Eastern refugees if we can’t properly screen them. Every person qualified to comment on our screening capabilities says we cannot do it properly. Ben Rhoads and Obama say we can. In light of his recent dumbass comments, who you going to believe? They should be in tent cities somewhere in the Middle East regardless of whether or not we can screen.

      • Rules of Blazon

        If we’re committed to defeating Daesh, we shouldn’t aid and abet their terrorizing of Shi’a, Alawite, Christian, secular, and dissident Sunni Syrians in any form or fashion.

        And as Americans — including even the most craven and ill-informed of Republicans — not a single one of us should be eager to compromise our defining values in the least.

        We are very lucky to have a President in Barack Obama that understands this. The degradation of Daesh will continue unabated, even as Daesh becomes increasingly desperate.

        And our Golden Door will remain open, in some sense redeeming us all, even our least deserving.

        • John Johnson

          Put’em in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait or Qatar.

          • Rules of Blazon

            Did you just seriously suggest putting Shi’a, Alawite, and Christian refugees of Daesh in the Saudi Peninsula?

          • John Johnson

            Where have I ever advocated putting oil and water together?

          • Rules of Blazon

            Define “’em.”

          • John Johnson

            Everyone “fleeing” …real or contrived. Whoever is screening them would, I guess, segregate them as they deem necessary.

          • Indiana Pearl

            How? Think this through. Muslims are circumcised. Christians are not in the ME. Should we check that out?

          • John Johnson

            Of or from. It makes a difference.

          • Rules of Blazon

            I have no idea what you’re trying to say, and I’m not going to make any more assumptions with you since I evidently misconstrued last night what you intended as tounge-in-cheekiness.

          • John Johnson

            Daesh refers to the terrorists themselves and not to any sort of “state”. “Of Daesh” would suggest the refugees were part of the terrorist group. “From” would suggest they were fleeing from the terrorists. That’s my take.

      • Indiana Pearl

        See above. Maybe you’d prefer the “final solution”?

  • Indiana Pearl

    Abbott should do his homework. Many Paris suspects were born in France.

    Abbott is a pander bear – shameful.

    • Jed

      they were all from europe. none from syria.

      • Rules of Blazon

        What it’s mainly motivated by is short-term partisan political gain. If he (and the other Republican governors who’ve similarly weighed in) can goad enough Democrats into publicly expressing sympathy for Syrian refugees, they can cite to that when they tar us as terrorist sympathizers — to the detriment, they hope, of Democrats running in Congressional races and in state races up and down the ballot.

        I’m sure that’s what Erica meant. 🙂

        • Erica Grieder

          Rules of Blazon, Jed: Since the two of you are evidently eager for my attention let me throw you a bone by asking you a question about yourselves. Which of you disapproves of me more righteously?

          • Rules of Blazon

            You call that bait?

          • Jed

            you want to “throw us a bone” maybe you could stop apologizing for people and policies that are morally despicable and will obviously land all y’all on the wrong side of history. surely even you can see that. what’s wrong with justifying a few more dead, innocent syrians if you can throw some meat to your subscriber base? is the paycheck really worth the blood on your hands?

      • Indiana Pearl

        The “mastermind” was born in Belgium. Many of the suspects were born in France.

        Does Gov. Abbott plan to reject all French and Belgian citizens?

        The GOP: Scaring Old White People 24/7

        Innocent people will die so that the GOP can use this tragedy to make campaign ads.

  • When 937 Jews fled Hitler aboard the Ocean Liner St Louis, FDR turned them away back to their deaths.
    Now dems say FDR was wrong? Huh….?

    • Indiana Pearl

      Stay on topic . . .

      • Beerman

        http://www.historynet.com/fdr-st-louis.htm

        Troll forgot to tell the whole story on FDR’s efforts regarding Jewish immigrants during the run up to WW ll and the holocaust. Link tells the whole story.

        • sorry you’re wrong again but whats new?

          • Indiana Pearl

            You live on Fantasy Island.

          • Speaking of fantasies, you and me ain’t gonna happen

          • Indiana Pearl

            Rachel doesn’t want you either.

          • Which dingbat surfaced today?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Instead of FDR, why don’t you discuss GWB and his failed war in the Middle East? He and his neocon buddies have completely destabilized the region.

          • Bush 43 won Iraq…..

            Then who lost Iraq you ask?

          • Indiana Pearl

            “Won”?

            Worst failure of foreign policy in American history . . .

      • It is on topic

    • dave in texas

      Today on Ridiculous Historical Analogies, our guest is Johnny Burns Books, irony-impaired wingnut and staunch proponent of mindless belligerence as the answer to all of America’s foreign policy issues. Tell us Johnny, can you not see that, even if it were true, your FDR example would suggest that the United States should take in more rather than fewer Syrian refugees? Won’t the people for whom you claim you’re a paid political operative be upset that you seem to be flying in the face of their hatred and fear-mongering?

  • Beerman

    Fear has made our Country compromise basic civil rights for security because of Islamopholic idiocy. Today’s politicians are spewing fear and hatred at a previously unheard level, and it has made Americans afraid of everything. Fear has made us our own worst enemy. ISIS and Al Qaida have won.

    “If you can keep people afraid, you realize that you can coerce them into anything. Once people learn how to use fear, they keep on using it to get what they want. But, as people realize they are making fear-based decisions, fear starts to lose its power.”
    –Bren’e Brown (Best selling author’s speech at Ted conference)

  • Jay Trainor

    Instead of showing leadership, Governor Abbott chose to pander to the knee jerk crowd. It’s evident he’s afraid Dan Patrick will get right of him so Abbott will do and say anything to coddle the tea party and right wing billionaires.

    As a fellow Catholic, I ask the governor to put his faith into action and listen to the gospels. Christ says we;re to love one another, including helping the poor. A post elsewhere mentioned the similarities to Jews fleeing Hitler but not getting support from neighboring countries. Governor Abbot is turning his back on the refugees when he should show character and welcoming those who’ve lost everything.

    What would Jesus do Governor Abbott?

    • John Johnson

      He would build a tent city somewhere in the Middle East and provide food and medicine to them. He would keep them close to their homeland, so that some person, might lead them back one day. He might even get able bodied men to go back and fight to to get their homeland back.

      • Rules of Blazon

        Just when you think you’ve heard them all, you get “Jesus as military recruiter.”

        Sick.

        • John Johnson

          Hahaha. You couldn’t see the tongue in my cheek from way over there on the left, could ya, RofB?

          • Rules of Blazon

            Dadgummit. My apologies, John. Not that it’s a good excuse, but it’s been a long day. I’m sorry.

            Off to eat my crow…

      • I have a better solution, why don’t we take in as many refugees as Saudi has taken in?

        • John Johnson

          Great point.

        • dave in texas

          In other words, you’d have the United States behave the same way as one of the most repressive, backward regimes in the world. That’s a mighty low bar you’re setting there.

      • Indiana Pearl

        This is eerily similar to Japanese American internment camps in WWII.

        • John Johnson

          Bull feathers! The Japanese lived here. If we were rounding up Muslim people in the country, I could understand your comparison. Quit reaching.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Motivation. JJ. Fear of “the other” . . . All samesame . . .

          • John Johnson

            Blah, blah, blah. You just don’t get it.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Backed you into a corner again . . .

  • President Obama is issuing executive orders over riding our laws on immigration, visas et al. The 5th circuit just rejected his last attempt to circumvent the law. Here we go again.

    • WUSRPH

      Actually, he is perfectly in line with the LAWS regulating admitting refugees…..but then what would you care about the law

      • Actually I do care about the rule of law. The Obama admin cannot assure that proper vetting will given to Syrian refugees as required by law, should President Obama write another waiver?
        Then why have laws?

  • WUSRPH

    Fear leads to circle the wagons, to shut down, to see the world increasingly as “us versus them.” Fear leads to grasping what we have ever more tightly, because it was so painstakingly acquired and, given the increasingly mysterious and threatening future we face, because it could all so
    easily be lost. Fear is natural, primordial. It is fight or flight. Fear colors
    every perception; turns every proposal that may test our comfort zone of
    understanding into a threat and makes our politics ever more partisan and rigid.

    Charles Lawton

    No power so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.”
    ― Edmund Burke

  • John Johnson

    I read all the goofy posts below about “fear”. I am dumbfounded.

    Obviously, sitting here high and dry instills in some a nonchalant, disconnected attitude toward threats made by those who would do us harm. After all, they just show up here in our comfort zone printed in papers, displayed on our PDA’s, or repeated by a talking head over the airwaves.

    These people can’t smell the pooled human blood. They have probably never experienced it. They haven’t seen the ripped and torn bodies, not looked into dull, dead, dialated eyes on faces contorted in fear like a grotesque mask. I hope they never do.

    Those who have, don’t forget it…be it as a soldier, the survivor of or responder to a terrible accident, or the survivor of a terrorist bombing or shooting. Ask the people of New York or Boston how they feel about charges of “overreacting” or see how they react to someone calling them ignorant for taking proactive measures to protect themselves from going through something like that again. Going to call them sissies? Going to make fun of their fear.

    I doubt WUSRPH ever played football, but ask any player what it fells like right before the kickoff. You have scouted the other team and know that they are tough. You have have suffered hard, debilitating hits before and know more could be coming your way again soon; you have “butterflies” flittering around in your gut; some throw up….but as soon as the ball is kicked off, you take off running and you collide with an adversary, all the fear and anxiety is gone; you become hyper focused on simply doing your job.

    Soldiers prepare for battle by developing a game plan and practicing. They take precautions and set up perimeters. They take threats seriously…not out of fear, but vigilance.

    A stadium hasn’t been bombed in Austin, nor a shopping mall in Dallas or Houston, so, thus far, the word “terrorist” doesn’t mean much to us. I hope all you posters with the cavalier, detached attitudes carry them to your graves, after dying at an old age of natural causes….but many of the people around the world are scared; many in New York and Boston are wary and fearful; the stomachs of many warriors in Afghanistan and other hotspots are fluttering right now. I think they are smarter than you are.

    • Doesn’t matter to liberals, all that matters to them is the Obama admin has expanded the federal payroll giving millions of jobs to democrats who are unemployable in the private sector.

      They will never acknowledge your point of view, their hatred for our country’ success blinds them and they will never stop backing the radicals on the left who chant

      “We will “give these guys an offer they can’t refuse,” he shouted in the jam-packed gym, vowing to bust up the banks, bring down the billionaire class and smash the political establishment.
      “So I welcome you all,” he said, “to the political revolution of 2015.””

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/21/us/politics/bernie-sanders-evokes-obama-of-08-but-with-less-hope.html

      This is why Michael Savage says “Liberalism is a mental disorder.”

      • Indiana Pearl

        Bernie Sanders is not the President and this post is completely off topic as usual.

        • sue me…

          • Indiana Pearl

            You’re too broke to matter.

          • I know how to write an IOU….so sue me.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Your IOU is as worthless as your posts.

          • I suspect you’d trade your bottle of gin for a pair of my dirty socks to snuggle up to at night…..

          • Indiana Pearl

            You and JJ always talk about gin when you are backed into a corner.

            Loser,

          • hahaha

          • Indiana Pearl

            Hahahahahaha!

            Lunatic!

          • John Johnson

            Only because you do.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Follow the chronology of “gin” talk. You and Booksie are obsessed with my cocktail hour.

      • WUSRPH

        I see that the Troll has let his alter ego, the little German man with the club foot, get control of his mouth again claiming that the Democrats have added millions to the federal workforce in order to buy their votes.

        I hate to disabuse him but the FACTS (that word he hates) show there are more than ONE MILLION LESS federal workers today than there were under Ronald Reagan as well as less than there were under Bush Jr. But then facts never matter to him.

        https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-documentation/federal-employment-reports/historical-tables/total-government-employment-since-1962/

        • You’re too dumb to read your own chart

          • WUSRPH

            At least I read it and did not make up numbers. Is your foot hurting?

    • Indiana Pearl

      This post is dramatic, colorful, filled with football metaphors as battle.

      Have you ever been on a battlefield?

      • John Johnson

        No, I haven’t, but the metaphor I used was once used by a friend who has. I could relate. I do personally know what people who have been violently killed look like; I know what large volumes of spilled blood smells like. Next question.

        • Indiana Pearl

          Dead deer are not dead people.

          • John Johnson

            Who in the f**k said anything about dead deer? No more back and forth with you on this. You are a waste of my time.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Then don’t respond to me . . .

    • Unwound

      im unsurprised to know that youre perfectly comfortable with more scenes like this occurring.

      • Unwound

        ISIS says to syria “join ISIS or die!”
        syria says “k bye!”
        floatin on rafts to get out of syria.
        try to get into america and america’s all “sorry but u ISIS.”

      • John Johnson

        Why don’t you meet me somewhere for coffee?

        • Unwound

          Why would I want to do that? I’ll be back in Texas in a few weeks but I have the feeling you’re probably even more insufferable in real life.

          • John Johnson

            Just going to give you a chance to find out. I can promise you that you are not going to like me in person. Want to see how brave you are in person when insulting people.

          • Unwound

            While I’m sure you’re right that I wouldnt like you, in going to decline your generous invitation regardless. Not sure exactly how I insulted you, but you can rest assured that there’s nothing I would say to people online that I wouldnt say in person, tough guy.

          • John Johnson

            I doubt that. People who hide behind pseudonyms and throw rocks from the middle of a crowd are generally sissies. You’ve got all the markings, kid.

          • Unwound

            ¯_(ツ)_/¯

            Were taught in jiu-jitsu to avoid unpleasant situations and people rather than starting a fight. Thankfully my life isn’t a constant dick measuring contest.

          • John Johnson

            You don’t have to measure…you’re all dick.

          • Unwound

            Gee was it something I said?

          • John Johnson

            Hahaha. Cute.

          • Unwound

            but seriously, im amazed that you take any offense at this whatsoever. youve previously advocated mass murder via dropping a nuke on iran, and you support abbotts policy which will lead to these exact same type of scenes. do you believe that somehow some benevolent fairy will come in and shelter syrian refugees?

          • John Johnson

            You are a dumbass, kid. How many soldiers do you think like to kill? If they don’t like it, why do they do it? I’m not sure you are smart enough to figure it out.

          • Unwound

            ive met some in the military who are consumed by war and couldnt wait to go, but most came from disadvantaged backgrounds or just plain screwed up in school so the army was their out. not sure what that has to do with the syrian refugee crisis or american governors proclaming that widows and orphans arent welcome, which is playing straight into ISIS hands.

          • John Johnson

            No, you don’t understand. Showing a three year old dead on a beach and spouting off about people like me condoning and causing more of the same was done to incite and it worked, kid. Mark yourself up one.

          • Unwound

            its simply the reality of what youre advocating. if you cant handle that then you should probably reconsider your stance.

          • John Johnson

            It’s the perception you have of what I have advocated. As I stated earlier, you don’t have a clue how things fit together. But enough of this. It is a waste of time.

          • Unwound

            suit yourself, but dont have the illusion that somehow more people wouldnt die because of said policy. thankfully, its not up to abbott, christie or any other gov.

          • John Johnson

            People are always going to die, kid. That is what you don’t understand. People are always going to die.

          • Unwound

            naturally, but when something can be done to prevent it, it should. and we shouldnt go out of our way to create more collateral damage, ie drone strikes targeting civilians, nuking iran, etc.

          • John Johnson

            There you go again blaming people like me…blaming the U.S. for the deaths. Why did we get into the fray in the first place? Someone was killing innocent people. Why were those people in rickity boats? Someone was threatening to kill them. They die trying to get away and it’s our fault.

            We have given the Saudi’s around $8B, I heard yesterday, specifically for humanitarian use in the Middle East. See it being put to use anywhere?

            Even thre liberals best friend and colleague, Chris Matthews, has advocated we let woman and children in, but tell the men to go back and fight. “If we’re going to do it, your going to do it.”

            There’s no such thing as a fair fight in war. You use everything available to you to end the conflict as soon as possible to preserve the lives of your combatants. War means killing. War means collateral damage. Innocent people will die in a war. That should be considered going in. That’s my take.

          • Unwound

            ISIS is to blame for the deaths. we have a chance to prevent some of them. if we dont accept refugees, then more scenes like the above happen. full stop.

          • John Johnson

            Yep. War is
            he*l. (Did you know that you can’t type he*l on a post now without having it held for review?) Those who fight “compassionate” wars will be defeated by an enemy that is
            not. Innocents die. It will never change. Using New Testament Christian
            principles will never justify killing an “adversary”.

            “Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword
            shall perish by the sword.” (NAS, Matthew 26:52-53)

            War and refusing aid are not consistent with anything taught in the New
            Testament. We twist and contort because we want our religion and bloodlines to
            survive; because we are human and human nature prevails. As Christians, we are
            shown in the NT example after example of martyrdom. We are told the end will
            come with “true believers” being martyrs. We are told the end will start in the
            Middle East and encompass us. True believers will understand all this and remain
            pure and compassionate. The rest of us will allow human nature to prevail and
            take up arms to try and prevent the inevitable.

    • WUSRPH

      Wrong…played football….defense tackle…not first string needless-to-say. You make all these wild assumptions about people. Right fielder in baseball. Power hitter until my vision changed to less than 20-20 at puberty……Still can not see the ball.

      • Unwound

        he likes to use the term “sissy” and talk about football and lockerooms a lot. sounds like someone who still has a high school mentality of what masculinity is.

    • Beerman

      JJ, I had one of those “goofy” posts about fear. And, I do believe Americans should not have a wave of knee-jerk fear reactions to what happen in Paris. Remember that after 9/11 we rebounded very quickly. Yes, the terrible attacks here on our own soil led to a few weeks of empty airline flights, hotels and cruise cabins. But, Americans got back to living their lives before long, and refused to be cowed into hunkering down in our homes. That kind of resilience in the face of fear and terrorism should be expected from Americans. If not, ISIS and Al Qaida win the propaganda war with fear.

      Now, I am going to spend the rest of this beautiful day in “fear” of some short putts……..

      • John Johnson

        Different strokes for different folks.

  • Doug Pascover

    Fear and wisdom are not the same thing. Pessimism and wisdom are closer.

    • Trust but verify is the conservative’s creed.

      The sky is falling is the democrat’s.

      • Doug Pascover

        In which country?

        • Indiana Pearl

          Ft. Bend County

  • Everyday I get emails from democrats offering me free gift cards to various and sundry products. I don’t click on their trojan horse viruses and I ain’t buying their Trojan Horse Syrian Refugee Program.

    • Indiana Pearl

      How come Democrats don’t get those offers?

      • I suspect they do, there is a sucker born every minute.

        • Indiana Pearl

          Perhaps the Dems are pimping you, Booksie.

          • I’ve never met a pimp…who’s yours?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Look in the mirror. You sell right-wing propaganda daily. Who pays you?

    • Gunslinger

      No you don’t. You’re a lying, fat, old man. Nothing more.

  • Guv Abbott is a leader clear headed and bold……
    Grandma not so much…..

    • Indiana Pearl

      “You are going to be the proud owner of 25 million people. You will own their hopes, aspirations, problems. You’ll own it all.”

      —- Colin Powell to GWB in 2002 prior to the Iraq invasion

      • John Johnson

        Like we own the German’s? The Japanese’s?

        • Rules of Blazon

          Did we miss when Saddam bombed Pearl Harbor?

        • Unwound

          do you need a history lesson showing why this is a dumb statement?

          • John Johnson

            Have at it. Impart some of that stored knowledge with the rest of us, kid.

          • Unwound

            i dunno, marshall plan, macarthur as viceroy in japan, not to mention bombing of pearl harbor and germany taking over half of europe.

          • John Johnson

            Well, I guess one of us is off topic. I responded to Powell’s comment about “owing” the Iraqis. My response was “like we did the German’s and Japanese” …after defeating them and occupying their countries. The outcomes might have been much different had we walked away and left the two on their own right after the conflict ended. We remained for years and it insured growth in the right direction. We walked away from Iraq after we slapped around Saddam, and look what happened. We pulled out of Iraq too early second time, and look what happened.

          • Unwound

            then i misunderstood. i thought you were saying we didnt owe anything to the iraqis and that we hadnt done anything with the germans or japanese.

          • Indiana Pearl

            We did not “defeat” Iraq. We created a big mess. False equivalence there, JJ.

          • John Johnson

            Stop with the crap, Pearl. When Bush turn over the reigns to Obama, Al Qaeda was all but defeated. Obama said so himself…so he pulled all but a handful out. When ISIS started rolling out of Syria to safehavens in Iraq, O said not to worry, and called them the junior varsity. Emboldened, they started working both sides of the border and taking control of all the millions in sophisticated weapons and vehicles the Iraqi army left behind before running away. We whipped them down, took their leader away and left them naked.

          • Indiana Pearl

            “Crap” to you. Logical analysis to me.

            Do you hate women?

          • John Johnson

            I don’t hate women; I simply get tired of your Bush vs Obama stuff. You just
            happen to be a woman. I have told you I unloaded on Bush publically back in
            2007. You keep wanting to make him my man and your’s Obama, like we are choosing
            up teams. They both have failed us with regards to the Middle East. Obama
            nauseates me. I think the French probably feel the same way about now. Today I
            listen to people analyze some of his many shortcomings. One that stuck with me
            was his failure to cut off the head of the snake by cutting off their money. A
            million a day from the flow and sale of crude. Why haven’t our planes knocked
            out this flow? There is no excuse. But I know you will try and find one. Bush
            declared the war over while standing on an aircraft carrier and got excoriated for it; Obama declared the Iraq war over, and ISIS bush league and under
            control. He does not have a clue. He and his sock puppet Rhoads say we have the
            wherewithal to screen refugees properly, the head of the FBI and Homeland
            Security say we don’t. Based on his track record, I’m going with the experts.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Tedious . . .

          • John Johnson

            The truth bores you? Maybe that’s the problem.

          • Indiana Pearl

            “Truth”? It’s your story and your opinion. Hemingway was a good writer too.

          • John Johnson

            You question the validity? Did O say the war was over, ISIS the junior varsity, insignificant and under control? Did Jeh Johnson and Comey not dispute O’s and Rhoads “we have the ability to…” statements? Where’s the lie? The distorted truth?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Turn off Rushbo. Do your homework. Start by reading about the Balfour Agreement so that you have at least a clue about modern middle eastern history.

            Nothing happens in a vacuum . . .

          • John Johnson

            OK, I will…but first acknowledge that what I have stated about our current President is true. You want to wander back into history and a root cause again; I am looking at the here and now. Once again, you are ducking and dodging and obfuscating.

          • Beerman

            JJ, as you know, I do not always agree with our President; however, I think it is wise to continue our Global Coalition air attacks on ISIS oil infrastructure (yes, we have been doing this for over a month) and their command structures daily. This approach spares our troops and our treasury. I will take that over swagger from neocons and those who support perpetual wars for the benefit of profiteers.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Unless JJ and all the neocons are willing to send THEIR OWN GRANDCHILDREN to die, they have no honor, not courage, no credibility.

          • John Johnson

            I have, for years, have advocated airstrikes and increased intelligence. O’s efforts in the air are negligible. The oil lines should have been severed in days. There is no excuse.

          • Indiana Pearl

            No. I’m trying to get you to THINK!!! To ANALYZE!!!

          • John Johnson

            So you won’t acknowledge that my statements about the here and now are true? If not, we have no starting point.

          • Indiana Pearl

            No, I won’t, unless you do your homework. Also, cite your sources.

            The entire GOP nauseates ME. Maybe we can get a discount on Pepto-Bismol?

          • John Johnson

            End of conversation.

            Every time I throw facts at you that don’t fit your agenda, you run back into history and obfuscate.

            The proof you seek has been broadcast by everyone in the last couple of days. Even the liberal outlets. O and Rhoads say one thing; O’s FBI Director and head of Homeland Security dispute it. You living in a vaccum?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Also read about Iran and American/European oil companies. And read about the close relationship between the Bush clan the the Saudi royal family.

          • John Johnson

            Damnit! I know all about that. I am not a Bush family cheerleader. Is Obama part of the conspiracy? Why then had he not destroyed ISIS oil production and transport? Why are we not targeting and naming those buying it?

          • Indiana Pearl

            The reduction in forces agreement was arranged with Maliki and GWB before President Obama was inaugurated. Maliki insisted that U.S troops be subject to Iraqi civilian courts if they were charged with a crime. The President – and he IS THE PRESIDENT – refused that deal. So we left.

          • John Johnson

            Yes…”reduction”…not total withdrawal.

            October 21, 2011

            President Barack Obama on Friday declared an end to the Iraq war by announcing that all American troops would be withdrawn from the country by year’s end.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Whywhywhy? Wake up!!!!

        • Like Reagan owned Gaddafi, he peed his pants and was a model dictator.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Reagan invited Osama Bin Laden into Afghanistan and armed him.

        • Indiana Pearl

          Did you ever hear of the Marshall Plan?

  • 33 of 50 governors say Abbott is right…thats 66%

    • Indiana Pearl

      Lots of Germans said Hitler was right.

      This is a shameful episode in American history.

      • FDR said he had great admiration for Stalin

        • Indiana Pearl

          Everyone liked Stalin during the war when the Russians were holding down the eastern front. After the Iron Curtain came down, not so much.

          History is hard for you, isn’t it? You seem to have ADHD or bipolar disorder.

          • WUSRPH

            More than 70% of ALL German military forces were committed to the Russian Force. The Russians had 27 million DEAD. Their sacrifices made “OUR” Victory in the West possible.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Westerners forget these little details.

          • Only a democrat could admire Stalin…

            “Who was worse, Hitler or Stalin?

            In the second half of the twentieth century, Americans were taught to see both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union as the greatest of evils. Hitler was worse, because his regime propagated the unprecedented horror of the Holocaust, the attempt to eradicate an entire people on racial grounds. Yet Stalin was also worse, because his regime killed far, far more people, tens of millions it was often claimed”

            http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/mar/10/hitler-vs-stalin-who-killed-more/

            another confused grandma

          • Indiana Pearl

            Old fatso taking material out of context . . .

          • another confused grandma

  • All we have to do is submit like dems want us to

    • Indiana Pearl

      Angry, fearful white man . . .

      • appeaser…you like Chamberlain I like Churchill

        • Indiana Pearl

          I like Churchill, too. He knew how to make a good martini.

          • WUSRPH

            He also knew when there was an appropriate time for using force and a time for diplomacy.

            “Appeasement from weakness and fear is alike futile and fatal. Appeasement from strength is magnanimous and noble, and might be the surest and perhaps the only path to world peace.”

            Winston Spencer Churchill
            Dec. 14, 1950

  • dave in texas

    Whiskey tango foxtrot difference does it make who’s killing ISIS? Good grief, it’s not some asinine d*ck-measuring contest. This is one thing I actually agree with Donald Trump about. If the Russians want to send troops and airplanes to Syria to kill those freaking barbarians, more power to ’em.

  • Chuckie says JBB is right….again

    “Schumer: A “pause” on refugees may be necessary. Waiting to see what admin tells senators tmw in classified briefing.”

  • Some pundits are allowing that President Obama might be delusional…..

    “And somehow in those first two years, I think a certain arrogance crept in”

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-admits-arrogance_1065506.html?nopager=1

    nah…I think its been there all along.

  • Wes

    Heard on the radio that these refugees were to come in and be given a lifetime benefit from the Fed, for 10,000 people. Estimated price $6B to the taxpayer.

    • Indiana Pearl

      Turn off your radio.

  • Indiana Pearl

    If there is a heaven and a set of Pearly Gates, some so-called Christians will have a whole lot of explaining to do:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/refugees-christians-215991

  • WUSRPH

    It sounded good….but we have never lived up to it and won’t again in this case.

    Statue of Liberty Poem

    Also known as the Statue of Liberty poem, New Colossus and its famous last lines have become part of American history. Here is the sonnet in its entirety:

    New Colossus

    Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
    “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
    With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

    • Indiana Pearl

      Emma Lazarus weeps.