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The Anti-Vaccination Movement Is Gaining Ground In Texas

More parents are opting out of getting their children vaccinated, and there’s no sign the trend will slow down.

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A pediatrician gives a vaccination to a 13-year-old girl on September 21, 2011 in Miami, Florida.
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In a videotaped statement released late last week, Bexar County District Attorney Nico LaHood sat with his hands clasped on his desk in what appears to be his government office, stared into the camera, and introduced himself: “I’m Nico LaHood,” he said to the camera. “I’m the criminal district attorney in San Antonio, Texas. I’m here to tell you that vaccines can and do cause autism.”

The video was posted on Facebook as a trailer for Vaxxed, a documentary film directed by disgraced former doctor Andrew Wakefield, the author of a since-retracted study that linked vaccines with autism. The film, which doubled down on his research, drew so much criticism from actual doctors that it was pulled from the Tribeca Film Festival this spring. The trailer preceded a longer eleven-minute promotional video released on Tuesday featuring LaHood and his wife, who claim vaccinations are responsible for health problems that their two children have developed.

On Wednesday, LaHood continued his anti-vaccination campaign, posting a long rant on Facebook encouraging parents to “educate yourselves for the sake of your precious children,” and to “stay away from rhetoric and look at hard facts.” As of Thursday morning, the post had garnered nearly 1,500 comments. LaHood’s responses to some of the more critical commenters are politely defensive, though he does call one commenter a “fool with your head in the sand” and “the typical zealot without an open mind.”

Medical experts quickly condemned LaHood’s claims. In a statement released after the video gained traction, the San Antonio Public Health District countered LaHood’s comments. “Vaccinations are not just for protecting ourselves—they also protect the people around us,” the agency said, according to the San Antonio Express-News. “Children cannot make the decision on getting vaccinated but informed parents can.”

Despite repeated assurances from credible health experts such as the Centers for Disease Control that there is no link between vaccinations and autism, more and more parents in Texas are opting out of getting their children vaccinated. Recently released state data shows that 45,000 non-medical exemptions were made last school year, an uptick from about 38,000 the year before, and up from just 3,000 in 2003, the first year a state law went into effect allowing parents to opt out of immunizations, according to the Houston Chronicle.

It’s unclear exactly what effect the vaccine exemptions have had, but since around the time the opt-out law was passed, Texas has experienced an uptick of contagious diseases typically targeted by vaccines. In 2001, Texas had 615 confirmed cases of whooping cough. From 2005 to 2015, Texas averaged nearly 2,400 cases per year (since peaking at 3,985 whooping cough cases in 2013, that figure decreased each of the past two years; 2015 had 1,504 cases). And 38 total cases of measles were reported between 2013 and 2015 in Texas, including a 2013 outbreak infecting 21 people who attended a vaccine-skeptical megachurch outside of Dallas. Texas had already recorded its first measles case of the year just a few weeks into 2016 when a Plano ISD student was infected with the virus in January, according to the Dallas Morning News.

Although the overall percentage of Texas children who are unvaccinated is still very small, the crowd of parents who choose to opt out has powerful political clout—mostly because they’re incredibly passionate about their fears that vaccines will do their kids more harm than good. When state Representative Jason Villalba of Dallas tried to pass a law last year that would remove the exemption protection for parents who have a “conscientious objection” to vaccinations, he was ripped apart by the very vocal crowd of “anti-vaxxers,” as they’ve come to be known. According to the Texas Tribune, Villalba’s proposed bill enraged a few thousand members of a Facebook group for Texas anti-vaxxers. That group quickly formed a PAC, Texans for Vaccine Choice, which ultimately helped kill Villalba’s bill.  “These people, they literally said it to my face—they hate me,” Villalba told the Tribune in April, long after his bill flopped. “This is a group that is very dedicated, very organized; this issue is very important to them.”

According to the Tribune, the anti-vax PAC kept going after Villalba even after the bill failed in an attempt to see him defeated in this year’s primary elections. Villalba still won with 55 percent of the vote, but he admitted that the PAC likely made the election closer than he would have liked. He doesn’t seem willing to test them again. “I’m not interested in a suicide mission on this issue,” Villalba told the Tribune, saying he didn’t plan on reintroducing similar legislation targeting vaccine exemptions anytime in the near future.

If any politician does decide to take on the anti-vaxxers, he or she probably wouldn’t have much support from Texas’s top political leaders: both Governor Greg Abbott and Senator Ted Cruz have said that they support giving parents the ability to opt out, though they both also stressed the importance of kids getting their vaccines. “Most states include an exception clause for good faith religious convictions, and that’s an appropriate judgment for the states to make,” Cruz told USA Today last year. “But on the question of whether kids should be vaccinated, the answer is obvious and there’s widespread agreement: Of course they should.” Meanwhile, a spokesperson for Abbott said last year that the governor believes the state’s exemption law “strikes the right balance of requiring vaccinations while still allowing parents to opt out under certain circumstances,” according to the Chronicle.

With officials like LaHood lending credibility to the anti-vaccination movement and the reluctance among Texas politicians to face this small but vocal group of anti-vaxxers, it doesn’t appear as though Texas’s vaccine exemption trend is going to slow down anytime soon.

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  • Charlie Primero

    I’m so sick of tin-foil mad hatters who spout off about the Federal Government’s vaccine injury compensation program http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation

    Just because pharmaceutical corporations are shielded from product liability does NOT mean they take advantage of the situation to get more government subsidy for their injections.

    • Mary Kretzmann

      The problem is that there are so many devastating injuries, but parents are warned in advance. They are told that vaccines are safe and effective. Search for this interview on youtube for more information on the many reasons that parents are upset about the vaccine program. “VAXXED Documentary Explored with Filmmakers on Antidote”

      • Brian

        If you believe what the con men of Vaxxed tell you, you will remain misinformed.

        • shygirl75158

          Your ilk ARE the conmen.

          • Brian

            Nope, we’re just honest and know how to fact check.

          • AutismDadd

            hilarious

        • AutismDadd

          Wrong DR Brian who posted a “study” from Canada where 450 unvaccinated children of all ages and both genders contacted measles and all recovered and zero deaths. Lifelong immunity rules dude!

      • vippy

        Substantial concerns have been voiced concerning the potential for inserting bioweapons into vaccines. Indeed, given the history of known contaminated vaccines, this is hardly a matter of speculation. Polio vaccines have been found to contain cancer. A Merck rotavirus vaccine was found to be contaminated with a pig virus. Another Merck product, the Hepatitis B vaccine, was reported to have been laced with the AIDS virus. In addition, a tetanus vaccine distributed in the Third World was found to contain human chorionic gonadotrophin, an anti-fertility agent known to produce spontaneous abortions.

      • shygirl75158

        Parents ARE NOT given real “Informed Consent.” I was not told they were giving my child thimerosal containing vaccines when I DEMANDED “thimerosal free”! They have given doctors power to LIE to parents and shielded them form any liability for it!

    • guest

      “I’m so sick of tin-foil mad hatters”

      You’re sick because the tin foil hats that the pro-health-informed choice people are wearing bounces the ignorance and vitriol you project back to you.

      World Vaccine Market Will Be Worth $77.5 Billion by 2024: http://www(dot)cbs8.com/story/32708668/vaccine-market-size-projected-to-reach-775-billion-by-2024-grand-view-research-inc.

      I would say that taking a huge advantage of the situation.

    • vippy

      Idiot! Substantial concerns have been voiced concerning the potential for inserting bioweapons into vaccines. Indeed, given the history of known contaminated vaccines, this is hardly a matter of speculation. Polio vaccines have been found to contain cancer. A Merck rotavirus vaccine was found to be contaminated with a pig virus. Another Merck product, the Hepatitis B vaccine, was reported to have been laced with the AIDS virus. In addition, a tetanus vaccine distributed in the Third World was found to contain human chorionic gonadotrophin, an anti-fertility agent known to produce spontaneous abortions.

      • shygirl75158

        Vaccines ARE bio-weapons.

    • shygirl75158

      The VICF is a JOKE! It has denied hundreds of thousands of injured children DUE PROCESS.

    • shygirl75158

      Evidently you have NO CLUE as to just how much subsidy they get!

      https://vactruth.com/2012/11/30/2011-billions-vaccine-manufacturers/

    • forvaccinesafety
    • AutismDadd

      First I’ve heard of that Neanderthal. Its government protection people view suspiciously.

  • ioneskye

    This article is so chock full of untruth, fabrications and lies. What happened to REAL journalism? The yellowist reporting to date. This author cannot be allowed to write another report as important as vaccine injury. People, there are REAL investigative reporters with INTEGRITY out there! Just not this rag. All vaccines cause damage. Many parents, relatives, health professionals, physicians, nurses, scientists can attest to the nature of this holocaust. The maiming and murder of vaccination and its pushers, pediatricians, pcps, pharma is beyond belief. Like a nightmare where people cannot awake. Lord help us all.

    • Jed

      firsties for the crazies!

    • shygirl75158

      The drug companies BOUGHT the media as soon as our STUPID elected leaders allowed “direct to Consumer Advertising” of Pharmaceutical products. Every magazine has ads for DRUGS. Every station has nothing but drug ads and ads for lawyers who sue them for damages…… the drug commercials have the FST talking disclaimers at the end so people can barely understand the harm these drugs do. BUT WAIT! Vaccines get “public service announcements,” and they NEVER contain the fast talking disclaimers. If they did, it would go something like this.

      “Vaccines may cause numerous medical , metabolic, immunological, and neurological problems that will last for life. Vaccines may cause death, Guillain Barre Syndrome, toxic encephalopathy, heavy metal poisoning, nerve disorders, paralysis, digestive disease, adrenal dysfunction, …..

      The disclaimer would go on for several minutes! Instead, it is put on as a “public service announcement” and the other side does not get ‘EQUAL TIME.” So we have no mainstream media telling the truth and we have to rely on independent sources.

    • VikingAPRNCNP

      Calling a god wins law fault. You just lost the debate in record time…..

  • Jed

    how long has the article been up? frankly, i am shocked that the anti-vaxxer lunatics haven’t shown up in greater droves. maybe by morning …

    • vippy

      You really need to do your research, especially now since the word “cure” was eliminated in the medical field! You get the flu shot and you still get the flu and their excuse every year is they have the wrong strain! Same with the shingles shot. How do you think these man made viruses get on the market. Read a while back they want to bring back the Soanish Flu Virus which killed millions of people at the turn of the century. By then you don’t read more than the first age, right?

      • Jed

        i knew you’d show up.

    • shygirl75158

      Funny, I was wondering when the pharma chills would arrive, and here you are.

      • Jed

        chills?

        i assure you i am not paid for my sanity. it comes naturally.

  • Dan on the River

    Those of us over 55 knew people who were infected with polio. Those who survived led a difficult life in wheelchairs or on crutches and died earlier than us.

    Andrew Wakefield, the British doctor who first published the paper linking vaccines to autism was found to have falsified the data and had his license suspended.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

    An recent article from a weekly newsletter called This Is True – very timely

    This Week’s Honorary Unsubscribe goes to D.A. Henderson.
    Most short versions of who Henderson was sound boring: he was an epidemiologist.
    So what? Well, here’s how someone on Twitter linked to this week’s writeup:

    “Man embarks on successful genocide campaign,becomes hero because of it.

    Later dies of ironic causes.” A doctor, Henderson,who preferred to be known as “D.A.”

    (for Donald Ainslie), was an epidemiologist. In 1955, he joined the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Epidemic Intelligence Service. In 1960, he was promoted to Chief of the CDC virus disease
    surveillance programs.

    There, he came up with a plan to eradicate smallpox, one of the most virulent human viruses. In the 20th century alone, smallpox was estimated to have killed 300 million people – perhaps billions over human
    history; it evolved from a different virus over 10,000 years ago. Smallpox was so terrible that it was the first disease doctors tried to prevent with a vaccine: In 1796, British doctor Edward Jenner discovered
    that immunity to smallpox could be created by inoculating a person with goo from a cowpox lesion; cowpox was a milder disease, less likely to kill. The word “vaccine” is based on the Latin word vacca – cow – from that
    effort. Henderson got the go-ahead – and funding – to start his eradication effort in 1966, and was assigned to the World Health Organization to implement it.

    “The sense at the W.H.O. was that this was an impossible mission, so they chose a young man who didn’t have a reputation to tarnish,” said Dr. Thomas V. Inglesby, director of the UPMC Center for Health Security in Baltimore. “I don’t want to say as cannon fodder, but something like that.” Henderson had a different take: “D.A. always said they wanted an American to blame,” said Dr. William H. Foege, who worked on the project with
    Henderson. Yet it took only 10 years to accomplish the eradication: the last known case of smallpox was in Somalia, in 1977. Dr. Henderson and his team is thus responsible for saving tens of millions of lives, perhaps hundreds of millions over time. Henderson was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in
    2002, the National Medal of Science, the National Academy of Sciences’ Public Welfare Medal, and scores of other recognitions. He became the dean of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
    (1970-1990), and finished his career at UPMC. He never retired, preferring to
    work on other problems, including antibiotic-resistant infections, such as staph. Dr. Henderson broke his hip, acquired an antibiotic-resistant staph infection, and died on August 19. He was 87.

    • vippy

      Those were different vaccines, as the CEO of a Pharmaceutical company said this week, we are here for the share holders not to cure patients! But go ahead trust them!

    • shygirl75158

      Hmmmm. My aunt caught what they said was “infantile paralysis” in 1913. She did not become paralyzed. However, they were POOR and they could not afford a doctor to come often or go to a hospital. My aunt ran a very high fever which caused brain injury. It left her deaf and mute. Not the polio – the high fever and LACK OF ADEQUATE MEDICAL INTERVENTION/care.

      I hae had two friends inmy life who contracted polio. One had no residual paralysis. the other does have diminsished use of her legs, but she can walk some, and she gets around well in a scooter and has lead a very productive life. she became a nurse. She also became a very good swimmer and teaches swimming. Even she is appalled after learning how many vaccines kids get today, how personal freedom to choose is being attacked. Even she has noticed the high numbers of sick and disabled children we have today. so do not be so quick to think that those who had polio will jump on your bandwagon. Even when one take a vaccine, they HOPE they won’t get the disease for which it was given, but it is no guarantee.

      Your logic tries to convince people:

      If you don’t get the vaccine, you WILL get this orthat disease.
      If you get the disease, you WILL die or you WILL beocme paralyzed.

      Neither of these assumptions is true.

      Some may catch mealses if they don’t get vaccinated. In the US FEW will die. I think in 2014 (or around there) the risk of actually dying n the US of measles was around 0.000017%. A person would be more likely to be hit by a car or die of some other accidental injury. Given the MERCK whistle blowers who have come forward to state that the mumps portion of the MMR doesn’t even work, here we all have been for YEARS and where are all the dead form mumps buried?

      The author attempted to fear monger the unaffected public (becasue the affected public KNOWS better) regarding the thirty some odd people who caught measles at the church, but NO ONE DIED, and where was the media to interview these survivors of such a “horrid, deadly disease’ to ask them what it was like? They ALL now have lifelong immunity – something MERCK and other vaccine makers abhor. God forbid human beings should develop and keep for life ANY immunity for any disease when “Big Brother” Merck can enslave them immunologicaly from the cradle to the grave. So what if a few hundred thousand or a few MILLION children are injured seriously for life in the process? It is engaging in child sacrifice for PROFIT.

      I KNOW what it’s like becasue I sat by my brother’s beside when he had measles as a boy. Stop portraying it as LEPROSY when it is not. Merck measles vaccines and their chicken pox vaccines netted Merck 1.4 billion in PROFITS in 2014 alone.

  • oblate spheroid

    I honestly can’t wrap my head around this part of the anti-vaxxers’ thinking: “they’re incredibly passionate about their fears that vaccines will do their kids more harm than good.”

    Worst-case outcome of each scenario:
    Vaccinate = child gets autism (according to them)
    Don’t vaccinate = child contracts a preventable illness that kills them painfully

    • Vaxinjuredmom

      Autism is not the worst case vaccine injury is real and there are far worse things that can happen to a child from the vaccines than autism

      • Skeptical

        These pro-vaccine bigots will never understand that.

        • shygirl75158

          Stop playing their game of semantics and call it what it REALLY is. “Autism”is only ONE symptom of this iatrogenic disease.

      • shygirl75158

        Autism is THEIR term for it. It isn’t the reality of what it IS. they called it”autism” on purpose. It was a game of semantics.

    • Kim Little-Johnston

      Only in poverty stricken conditions or extremely rare health complications are most of these diseases deadly. Most common childhood diseases are best caught wild for lifelong immunity. Vaccines Don’t do that, and they don’t work. Most all outbreaks in the US have effected MOSTLY vaccinated people and we’re most likely started when recently vaccinated people shed their clinically induced disease among the people they were vaccinated to protect.

    • shygirl75158

      NO, that is Not “according to them.” “Autism” is the term the CDC and government gave. then doctors were taught or duped into IGNORING the medical, neurological, metabolic,and immunological damage done to our children, and that has gone on for thirty years. ENOUGH!

      Measles is not going to kill our children if treated properly. Most likely in this country, deaths form the other BENIGN diseases won’t either. My child didn’t wind up with ‘autism’ after vaccines. He wound up with VACCINE INJURY: ischemic stroke, toxic encephalopathy, metabolic disorder NOS, immune disorder NOS, inflammatory bowel disease….. Vaccines made my child chronically sick. My child got VACCINE INJURY from vaccines,and your attempt to trivialize it in the eyes of the as yet unaffected and unassuming public is SICKENING.

      You actually think that what concerns a parent most is whether a child flicks his fingers or walks on his toes? IDIOT! It is whether they will be their to catch their child when the next grand mal seizure happens, to be vigilant enough to keep them from wandering and being killed or exploited. It is whether their child will survive the next serious infection – since vaccine injury WRECKS their immune function and they get CHRONIC infections like ear infections, strep, staph, cellulitis, pneumonia, encephalitis, meningitis and a host of other repeat infections. It is about improving their quality of life after vaccine injury and getting them to independence if we can.

      How dare you try to TRIVIALIZE this iatrogenic disorder to paretns whose kids are as yet unaffected. You wish to make them think it is “nothing.” You want them to think it is “normal” and easy? Measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis are by far easier. those require a parent being vigilant for two weeks. VACCINE INJURY requires a parent to be vigilant FOR LIFE.

      • joe

        Yes catching Polio can have lifelong injuries to.

  • Nounverb911

    ..

    • shygirl75158

      RUBBISH!

    • shygirl75158

      Are you trying to portray mumps here or measles? which is it. I think you re actually portraying leprosy… What your real goal is is that you do not want people with natural immunity passing THAT on. God forbid future generations should have immunity not owned and controlled by Pharma.

      • joe

        Why did God let my 4 mates die from Polio back in 1954?Why did the Natural immunity let my 4 mates die from Polio?

        • I wouldn’t waste too much time on this one. She’s a suckhole of both time and energy, and absolutely immune to both facts, and the truth.

          • joe

            You are right,I also have better things to do,I can not believe her ignorance.

          • Raining in England? No way! 🙂
            I’m in Minnesota, and snow can’t be too far away, now that it’s September!

          • Sonja Henie

            Same here in Colorado! It’s been a few years since we had a September snow. ‘Bout time for it to happen again! It sure looks like it’s going to be an early fall anyway, trees have been turning for a couple weeks now.

      • Sonja Henie

        You are a total idiot if you think people “pass on” this “natural immunity”. The only immunities that get passed on are passive immunity for some diseases a mom has either had or was immunized for. This passive immunity starts to fade at birth, is usually gone by 6 months or so. If you don’t know what passive immunity is, look it up.

        If parents could pass on immunity, all disease would have been wiped out a few millennia ago.

  • Suz

    Nico is a dad that gives a damn about his kids and yours. Good for him for sharing his thoughts and not being afraid to go against the grain. It’s his personal experience not hear say

    • Brian

      If people believe what he says, innocent children will die needless deaths.

      That’s not something worth praising.

  • Crystal

    Can we discuss the 3 BILLION dollars that has been paid out for vaccine injuries? While we are at it, can we also discuss how this money isn’t coming from the drug companies since they can’t be sued for vaccine related injuries?
    If you don’t see how this is a problem, then YOU are part of the problem.

    • Cathy

      Most people have no clue of the scope of the deception going on, the methods they use to insure compliance from the doctors and patients. What stands out to me after being among the families effected by vaccine injury is the shock and then outrage parents feel towards the doctors they trusted their baby to who refuse to acknowledge vaccine injury.

      • shygirl75158

        You bet! I learned about thimerosal after I had my child, and I DEMANDED “thiemrosal-free” vaccines at his fifteen month checkup. The doctor got angry at me. went GESTAPO on me and then said she had to leave the room for a minute. Then she came back and said, “Okay.” I asked the RIGHT question even then. But what I didn’t do is see the VIRAL those shots came out of or read the label. what parent should have to do that? She gave thimerosal containing vaccines anyway! And then I watched in horror as my child had a STROKE. Of course they tried to say I was “imagining things.” My child lost ALL speech and AFFECT immediately following those shots. I wonder if the author of this article – if HE went in for a shot – any shot – say a B12 shot, and afterwards he lost ALL speech and AFFECT and couldn’t communicate anymore…WHAT would HIS FAMILY call it?

        The CDC, FDA, and the American Academy of Neurology did a study on vaccines causing strokes,a nd THEY DO! But of course I am certain they fudge the data on that as well. when they realized I was sharing the link, they BLOCKED this paper from the public. Thank God I made a copy!

        I will NEVER trust a medical doctor again. I may go and get their OPINION on something, but I take it with a grain of salt and then go home and do my own research FIRST. If I see a poster on their exam room walls with a drug company ad at the bottom, then I KNOW they are “ON THE TAKE.” And those posters are just the tip of the iceberg of the perks they are getting form the drug companies.

        • Rachel Flanagan

          My heart goes out to you. Keep posting your story, people need to hear the realities.
          My best friend’s daughter was destroyed by a vaccine, 24 hour supervision, motor skills are shot. Removing GMO’s, and gluten got her speaking again and making eye contact, but it took 4 years. So many parents are given to voice to the heavy burden they carry for life.
          Sending you good will Sister.

          • Cathy

            Oh please. It took 4 years?

            If the kid actually had a gluten intolerance the change would have been almost immediate. What you describe is typical with maturation.

            Effing curebies. I swear these morons damn near make me lose my religion.

          • Rachel Flanagan

            Cathy, if you only had a heart.

            I hope you never have to endure caring for a vaccine damaged child.

          • Rachel Flanagan

            The child was diagnosed with encephalitis after the vaccine. A bit more severe than gluten intolerance, as she requires 24 hour supervision (20 years later). She can’t even operate a telephone, the vaccine destroyed her motor skills. She will never date, drive, have a family, her life is destroyed.

            Remember this next time you feel the need to call vaccine damaged children “Effing curebies.”

          • Rachel Flanagan

            The child was diagnosed with encephalitis after the vaccine. A bit more severe than gluten intolerance, as she requires 24 hour supervision (20 years later). She can’t operate a telephone, the vaccine destroyed her motor skills. She will never date, drive, have a family, her life is destroyed. Remember this next time you feel the need to call vaccine damaged children “Effing curebies.”

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          Dunning Krueger……

        • Cathy

          You really need to have your head checked, Haven. Srsly. There is something really, really wrong with you.

          I am completely floored by the posts in the Yahoo Group you belong to, where you describe the horrible reactions he had to IV chelation therapy when he was little. Over 200 treatments?

          Chelation. Which does absolutely nada to “cure” or change a child’s genes. Looking at your kid, at his facial characteristics, it very clearly is genetic.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c5489f3a9c1f555d8c5674ca52317c2ac52d3147361927f966c643b592e0ec74.jpg

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          Sources?

    • Kim Little-Johnston

      Thank you.

    • VikingAPRNCNP

      Over 30 years….compensable injuries are less than 1 per million vaccination events.

      • Crystal

        Do you have any clue how difficult it is for a family to be awarded compensation for the injuries? The “vaccine court” puts them through years of hell. Honestly though, the very fact that you are defending this only tells me that you are here to argue – NOT to learn. I won’t waste my time.

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          I am not here to argue. I will point out that the court is actually pro plaintiff. The court pays for the legal fees win or lose. Table injuries are clearly defined. Burden of proof is 50% plus a feather.

          The court doesn’t put the family through the struggle. Without the court fewer people would be compensated for the rare injury. From a vaccination. Without the guarantee of a payday law firms would be less likely to take these cases on.

          Binding arbitration would result in almost zero compensation for the injured.

          It’s not perfect but it is better than the alternative.

    • Brian

      “Can we discuss the 3 BILLION dollars that has been paid out for vaccine injuries?”

      Why yes, yes we can!
      –About 4500 awards have been paid out, over almost 30 years, when BILLIONS of vaccines have been administered
      –That’s less than a one-in-a-million chance of injury!
      –Over 80% of the payments were settled out of court, where the alleged injury may have had nothing to do with vaccines, but it would have been too expensive to prove it.
      –Modern advancements in medical understanding have shown that many previous awards were paid in error
      So yes, even by your own source, vaccines are very, very safe.

    • Rachel Flanagan

      Agreed. Not to mentioned there were so many claims of vaccine damage they narrowed the scope of what they would accept. 7-15 years waiting time, and must be lawyered up to navigate the complicated system set up to discourage parents from getting compensation.

  • Dana Almond McFarland

    All of you people that are pro vax, probably have no idea that the number of vaccines required has more than tripled in the last 30 years. Why??? Did more people in the 80’s start getting ill from disease? No! It’s corporate greed at work! Why does a newborn need a veccine the day they are born for a disease you get ONLYfrom sex and sharing needles? I’m 39, and I had 12 vaccines as a child. Now the required number is 39. You have to see that that is insane!!! Childhood cancer rates are through the roof and the only thing that is different from when I was a child is the insane amount of vaccines for non deadly disease. I get why people want polio vaccines. But most of us all got the viruses that they vaccinate for and we were fine! I’d rather have my children get rotovirus (diarrhea) than ensephalitis. So many are so unnecessary! That is why we are vocal. So many of the risks are not worth the benefits!

  • Cathy

    All but a few of those who opt out of vaccinations were once provaxxers like all of you. That changed when they watched their infant die or child suffer from serious side effects. Almost all of them were told by their doctor the vaccines had nothing to do with it, and were not helped by the medical profession who pressured them to get them. Below is the schedule from pre-birth to 18 years of age. This list will only grow as it has since the makers of vaccines (all private for profit Pharmaceutical companies who make prescription drugs) were given total immunity from liability or prosecution in 1986.

    • White_and_Nerdy

      All it takes is functional literacy to see that all US families can sue for vaccine injuries or to see that vaccines have been studied in pregnant women for decades.

      Thanks for demonstrating exactly how the anti-vacc fraud works!

      W&N

      • Cathy

        Those statements are totally untrue. They cannot sue the makers of the vaccine or those giving it. They can file a claim with the government “court” but a small percentage of claims are accepted. Even so, over 3 billion dollars have been paid to those who won their case since the inception of the National Vaccine Injury Act from our tax dollars. The vaccine vials including Flu and Dtap which are given to pregnant women state they have not been tested or proven safe in pregnant women. I believe the tdap (or the one given to pregnant women) also states in the insert which comes with the vaccine vial it isn’t safe for children under 10 years old.

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          About 90 cents for each vaccination goes for claims. Less than 1 in a million chance of suffering a vaccination injury.

          1 in 250 will suffer death or serious injury after a case of wild measles.

          • Neo

            Seems to me there are more than 1 in a million sick and dying children from vaccines.
            What stats are you referring to?
            Have you been at a children’s hospital lately?
            That’s what your life saving vaccines are doing.
            1 in 250 measels cases will suffer death?
            Pulling stats out your assistance?
            Oh I forgot ….they’re from third world countries from the CDC reported to the WHO.
            Yes your sources are credible…lol!!

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            as usual you are unable to parse a sentence for meaning. 1 in 250 will suffer death or cognitive impairment or sensory disability. Or is not the same as and as to meaning.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            A total of 123 measles-associated deaths were reported during this period (death-to-case ratio of 2.2 per 1,000 cases). Forty-nine percent of deaths were among children younger than 5 years of age. Ninety percent of fatal cases occurred among persons with no history of vaccination. Sixty-four deaths were reported in 1990, the largest annual number of deaths from measles since 1971.

            http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/meas.html#complications

          • Neo

            CDC is not a reliable source.
            Next!

          • VikingAPRNCNP

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            Bellini WJ, Rota JS, Lowe LE, et al. Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis: more cases of this fatal disease are prevented by measles immunization than was previously recognized. J Infect Dis 2005;192:1686–93.
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          • Neo

            I wish I could believe any of that BS.
            Vaccines in theory sound good, but that’s all it is…a good theory.
            Injecting toxic vaccines with dead viruses so the immune system has a response is like throwing 8 dead rattle snakes to kids and telling them to learn how to defend themselves so they know what to do with live ones!
            Great logic!
            Btw what person ever has caught 8 differant viruses at once!
            So basically it’s OK to inject 8 different dead viruses and baby’s can handle them but they can’t handle one live virus!
            Again great logic.

        • White_and_Nerdy

          1. Lawsuits, guess you missed the many postings
          above…

          Here is the recent SCOTUS ruling, where the court took care to point out that everyone can sue vaccine makers:

          https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf

          Here is a helpful recent US Civil court case where the vaccines cause autism fraud is exposed:

          http://mdcourts.gov/opinions/coa/2009/112a08.pdf

          If you bother to read the words in the SCOTUS you will know that the anti-vaccs just flat out lie about this year after year after year…

          If you bother to read the words from the Maryland Civil
          court case you will see how incompetent and fraudulent the anti-vaccs are.

          2. Vaccine court

          Here is the vaccine court site:

          http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-programoffice-special-masters

          If you read the rules and lots of cases you will see that the system is set-up to and does pay often even when the vaccination didn’t cause injury.

          Here is an AP investigation of the vaccine court. It is far from perfect,
          but a major issue is an anti-vacc scam industry filing bogus claims:

          https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-impact-vaccine-court-keeps-claimants-waiting-183827288–finance.html?ref=gs

          Funding comes from a tax imposed on the manufacturers:

          http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/about/index.html

          3. Your posting says: “No vaccine has been studied for safety in pregnant women.

          That is a lie. A few seconds at pubmed will prove this to you:

          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed

          You clearly don’t understand vaccine inserts, and there are relevant safety studies. E.g. here is one for DTaP

          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24794369

          I am sure we can count on you to go back and correct your errors.

          W&N

      • NoToGMOs

        Antigens are not the main issue here. It’s the other ingredients and excipients in the ever-increasing number of vaccines given these days…….that are the problem.

  • Linda

    You know, everyone that is now hesitant to vaccinate was once pro-vaccine. You do realize that, don’t you? And you do realize there is a reason for that, right? Why do you think so many parents are being so vocal, so vehement? It’s because THEIR KIDS WERE HARMED by vaccines. People like to spew names at us. That’s fine, we will take it. Because our job is to protect our kids and we will not harm our kids further. We are the ones that took one for your ungrateful team. You should be rallying around us, demanding the answers as to why they were harmed. Instead you act like a bunch of ignoramuses, with your heads in the sand. Your kids were fine? Great. Good for you. I am happy your kids are fine. Ours aren’t. So stop with your angry, ignorant rhetoric, grow a pair, and admit that there is something more to this.

    • Cathy

      Yes, Linda. And it us who have absolutely nothing to gain who truly care about the welfare of those many infants and children who risk being harmed by the vaccines because their parents totally trust those who administer them and profit from them.

    • Redeemed

      Sorry about your children, but the facts show that vaccines are safe for the vast majority of kids. There are also kids who have been hurt by aspirin, penicillin, etc. Shall we remove those?

      • beccateal

        No, don’t remove the things you listed. But do not mandate them. Especially to kids who have adverse reactions to them.

        All medical procedures come with risks. And when there is a risk, there must be a choice.

        No other medical product or procedure is treated as a one size fits as vaccines are. 12 hour old babies and 100 year old grandma receive the same vaccines.

        • shygirl75158

          I’m waiting for all these loud mouthed adults who worship vaccines for “children” to step up to the plate and roll up their sleeves for the 25 vaccines MERCK wants to inject into THEM.

          • Skeptical

            They’ll get their chance. The adult vaccine market is largely untapped. I can’t wait to hear the objections from the adults when the same treatment is put upon them! “Wait, what about my rights, wahhhh”. Yep, get ready, it’s coming.

          • Neo

            I agree….and not baby size vaccines, full syringes for adults size and weight.
            Pro vax trolls are tuff are they not?!!

          • Mike Stevens

            I zapped my 3 kids with all the vaccines, even though they are smaller than me.
            Do I win an antivax brownie point?

          • Sonja Henie

            Did you personally give them? I gave my kids a few. One time, DH brought the little dd to the clinic and someone else gave them.

          • Mike Stevens

            No, the nurse did them at the GP.
            With my full consent.
            I know, I must be a child killer or abuser….

          • Sonja Henie

            WTF are you talking about, 25 adult vaccines. Be specific.

        • Nope.

          DTaP for babies, Tdap for 100 year old grandmas.

      • shygirl75158

        Aspirin? Penicillin? These have not harmed as many children in the world as vaccines have. You obviously have no idea as to the numbers that have been harmed and even killed by vaccines. Your head will stay stuck in the sand until perhaps one day you realize it when you, as the taxpayer, are caring for all these injured children.

    • shygirl75158

      Those Big HARMA advertising dollars make them “see no evil.”

  • Cathy

    We are the only country or one of the few who give a vaccine (Hepatitis B) within the first 12 hours of life.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/health/more-us-babies-die-their-first-day-68-other-countries-6C9700437

    • Kim Little-Johnston

      I agree but minor correction needed. According to 2015 stats the United States rank 5th highest nation on the planet for infant mortality leading Mexico, Turkey, Slovakia and Chile. Just looked that up recently. I was astounded! We also have some of the most chronically sick people, including children, on the planet here. Not sure how vaccines have improved health of Americans at all.

      • shygirl75158

        I’m not sure how “modern medicine” has improved the health of ANY American for that matter. Hey, if they were so great and they were ‘healers” then how come our hospitals are PACKED. How come my mother had to wit for someone to DIE to free up a bed? Healthier, my ass! We have more obese people than just about any other nation on the planet. Why are we fearing “measles” when most of us are going to die of HEART DISEASE unless we change our habits? Why aren’t doctors going GESTAPO over that? The goal of American medicine is to keep people somewhere between comfortably sick (putting them on as many prescription drugs as possible) and dead. Either side of that and THEY MAKE NO MONEY.

        • White_and_Nerdy

          “I’m not sure how “modern medicine” has improved the health of ANY American for that matter. ”

          Yes, ignorance is your specialty.

          Why don’t you care enough to even try and get the facts right?

          W&N

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Oh dear,

      Other countries give the Hep b on the day of birth.

      W&N

  • Tim Lundeen

    For people interested in understanding vaccine safety, start by reading the vaccinepapers.org site from beginning to end. It lays out the overwhelming case that aluminum-adjuvanted vaccines are a major driver for brain damage and the autism epidemic, and includes hundreds of free full-text peer-reviewed studies that it quotes.

    Then read Robert F Kennedy Jr’s book Thimerosal, which includes hundreds of peer-reviewed studies on mercury toxicity, and documents the CDC’s cover-up.

    Then read Dr James Lyons-Weiler’s posts. He has read 3,000 studies about the causes of autism. In particular, try this post: https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2016/03/27/you-know-nothing-about-autism-john-snow/

    Finally, watch some of the youtube videos on the hearthiswell channel ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsLuR3X6cpg&list=PLJpPObXpZncOfT0bG2ghgkVb2Nxjd_bNe ). Watch them until you cry, as you realize what we’ve done to hundreds of thousands of our kids.

    And do go see the movie Vaxxed, so you understand even more vividly how the CDC learned that there is a correlation between vaccines and autism, covered it up, and lied to us.

    • Kim Little-Johnston

      Thank you!

    • shygirl75158

      There are SO many sources available now to get the TRUTH about vaccines and what they are doing to our children (and ourselves).

      • Brian

        Let me guess— the only sources that are credible to you are those that cite defrocked fraudsters and retracted papers?

        • PK

          Pubmed.

    • Brian

      The unvaccinated develop autism at the same rate as the vaccinated, so it’s obvious that vaccines don’t cause it.

      • Tim Lundeen

        @disqus_Vqd9OqZVm7:disqus You really sound like part of the pharma astroturf campaign; my apologies if you are just misguided. (For people who haven’t heard about astroturf and trolls, you can watch Emmy-award-winning Sharyll Attkisson’s TED talk at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU )

        • Brian

          Supporting a conspiracy theory by citing a conspiracy theorist does not give you credibility.

          Thanks again, for proving my point!

          • Rachel Flanagan

            TED Talks and Sharly Attkisson conspiracy theorists? LOL.
            Yeah, right.

          • Brian

            Ha ha!
            Sharyl I’m-not-a-conspiracy-theorist-because-the-conspiracies-are-all-true Attkisson

            is… definitely… a… conspiracy… theorist…

            p.s. her alternate nickname is Everyone-who-proves-me-wrong-is-an-astroturfer!

        • White_and_Nerdy

          Hey Tim,

          there are many 1000’s of epidemiologists and they have spent decades explaining how the anti-vaccs lie about the autism statistics.

          Why don’t you care enough about our children to ask them?????

          W&N

        • White_and_Nerdy

          Hey Tim,

          Saw this posting at Age of Autism:
          http://www.ageofautism.com/2016/09/vaccines-elimination-mandatory.html#more

          I asked the neighbor’s kid (~14 years old) about it. Took him a few seconds with Google to see that basically every point is a flat out lie.

          But they fooled all the Age of Autism readers….including you!

          Seriously, is possible for a criticism of vaccine to be too stupid for you to believe????

          W&N

      • PK

        Wow. I would live to see the research that backs up that claim. And don’t bother citing some bull study that didn’t also record wether or not the pregnant mom got any of those pesky “haven’t been studied in pregnant women” vaccines.

      • NoToGMOs

        Link to research paper that backs up your claim please?

    • White_and_Nerdy

      What a strange posting.

      Each of references are grossly incompetent and/or gross dishonest…

      And they insult the intelligence of the average middle-schooler….

      And their errors have been pointed out over and over…year after year….

      And yet you keep posting the same BS…over and over….it is exactly like you are trying to deceive people!

      W&N

      • Tim Lundeen

        @White_and_Nerdy You really sound like part of the pharma astroturf campaign; my apologies if you are just misguided. (For people who haven’t heard about astroturf and trolls, you can watch Emmy-award-winning Sharyll Attkisson’s TED talk at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bYAQ-ZZtEU )

  • grammaknows

    Forgot to mention many of the people opting out have themselves or have children injured by a vaccine when they were once pro-vax. Why aren’t you reporting on the overall losses and costs to the taxpayer and the economy now carrying a multitude with chronic and debilitating vaccine induced illnesses and conditions? That is a MUCH bigger story!

  • Cathy

    True story. This is why we ex-pro-vaxxers continue to tell our stories.

    http://www.vaccinechoiceprayercommunity.org/blog/farewell-sweet-ariella

  • Anne Dachel

    “Despite repeated assurances from credible health experts such as the Centers for Disease Control that there is no link between vaccinations and autism, more and more parents in Texas are opting out of getting their children
    vaccinated.”

    Many of us with vaccine injured children have given up on the media ever legitimately covering this issue. First of all, it’s clear that Leif Reigstad has his talking points: Vaccines are safe, vaccines save lives.

    Reigstad slammed “VaxXed” and the comments made by San Antonio prosecutor, Nico LaHood, without saying one word about the story in “VaxXEd.” Instead, Reigstad tells parents to trust the CDC.

    Why should they?
    We’ve learned that the CDC committed fraud in their most important research on the MMR over ten years ago.

    This is what “VaxXed” is all about. A senior scientist at the CDC has come forward and said that his agency falsified the two of the major results of an MMR study in 2004. This is the worst health care scandal in history and it’s clear that powerful forces both inside and outside our government will do everything possible to cover this up—including telling members of the press how they will report on this story.

    Leif Reigstad should see “VaxXed” and then talk about it. Reporters never do that. It’s easier to attack something they’re never seen. He has no idea of the real issue here.

    Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism

    • shygirl75158

      Notice how the media rarely mentions Dr. Poul Thorsen, and that it is his study they rely on to say “vaccines are safe.” Vomit. why don’t they talk about he is not credible? I mean he embezzled at least 1,000,000 dollars from the CDC.

      • Skeptical

        Right?! Response from the media? “Crickets chirping”

      • Brian

        Still lying, I see.

        • Maurinemeleck

          Inflammatory statements about persons commenting here does not put your viewpoint in good standing nor does it contribute to any relevant content pertaining to the vaccine controversy. Catch the first flight home.

          • Brian

            Would you like me to provide examples? All you have to do is ask.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            This is really simple.

            All it takes is functional literacy and integrity to see how the anti-vaccs just keep lying over and over about Thorsen.

            If that example is too old consider this one:
            http://www.ageofautism.com/2016/09/vaccines-elimination-mandatory.html#more

            Everyone one of the bullet points about vaccines is a lie.

            And one would have to be a complete moron to fall for them….but as usual the editors and Age of Autism readers are fooled again!

            W&N

      • White_and_Nerdy

        “Dr. Poul Thorsen, and that it is his study…”

        He doesn’t have a study….you have zero idea what you are talking about.

        And to be clear, media have covered the Thorsen story quite a bit…and surprise, the anti-vaccs just keep lying about the case…

        W&N

    • White_and_Nerdy

      “A senior scientist at the CDC has come forward and said that his agency falsified the two of the major results of an MMR study in 2004. ”

      No he didn’t. While it is shameful how anti-vaccs lie, almost no one is so stupid as to believe this.

      W&N

  • Anne Dachel

    “The video was posted on Facebook as a trailer for Vaxxed, a documentary film directed by disgraced
    former doctor Andrew Wakefield, the author of a since-retracted study that linked vaccines with autism. …”

    It’s more than a little disingenuous to pretend that “VaxXed” is about Andrew Wakefield. Wakefield directed the filmm but it’s about corruption at the highest levels of government health care.
    Leif Reigstad omits any mention of Wakefield’s co-producer, Del Bigtree, who produced the Emmy Award Winning medical talk show. “The Doctors,” for six years. Isn’t Reigstad even a little curious as to why someone in his position would give all this up to work on the most controversial movie in America?

    What is really obvious in this extremely biased and selective coverage is that Reigstad does not want the real story about Nico LaHood, Andrew Wakefield, and “VaxXed” to ever get covered.

    If he were giving us authentic reporting, Reigstad would actually talk to Nico LaHood, Andrew Wakefield, and Del BigTree. He would ask them probing questions and present their side. Sadly, the media has no interest in
    being fair and balanced when it comes to talking about vaccines.

    Anne Dachel, Media editor: Age of Autism

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Google works,

      Vaxxed is a fraud and no one at the scam site Age of Autism cares.

      Hey…that is true of pretty much everything posted there!

      W&N

  • ettk45

    Everybody should know by now that all vaccines are poison and that they NEVER work as intended. It’s not that the anti-vaxxers are gaining ground. It’s that we’re returning to how we always have been.

    • shygirl75158

      WAKING UP, and realizing that we must QUESTION EVERYTHING!

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Everybody that has finished 8th grade should be able to figure out that the anti-vaccs lie when they say vaccines are poisons and never work.

      W&N

  • CranesForever

    Parents are just getting more cautious. This is not a “anti-vaccine hysteria,” rather, it is parents researching the vaccine ingredients and trying to make an informed choice regarding vaccine safety. The CDC in it’s “pinksheet” lists most of the chemical ingredients of the vaccines and their brands. The CDC USED TO HAVE A LINK that would give the reader IMPORTANT CHEMICAL INFORMATION. Today that is NOT TRUE. I went to industrial and manufacturing websites to find out what is known about those. Little to say, many of them have the “skull and cross-bones” on it. There are also STARK DIFFERENCES between the SAFETY CLAIMS THE CDC PUBLISHES and what the FDA INSERTS WARN. The fact is that there are very dangerous chemicals and chemical combinations when multiple vaccines are used. Case in point: DRANO – the plumbing product. Their main ingredients are SODIUM HYDROXIDE and ALUMINUM. These two make an explosive reaction-dissolving all kinds of fats and other material deposits – Drano has another ingredient to keep the mixture from blowing up when the two are introduced to water. The vaccine ROTA-TEQ (rotavirus from Merck) HAS SODIUM HYDROXIDE (Lewis Red Devil Lye), all DTaP has excessive amounts of Aluminum. The CDC publishes that the vaccine schedule is SAFE when the FDA says that the safety has not been verified. Now, UNLIKE DRANO, the TWO VACCINES have no “nitrogen buffers” that will neutralize the explosive mixture of sodium hydroxide and aluminum. The CDC “recommends – a.k.a. DEMANDS” that Rota-teq can be given at the same time along with a whole list of vaccines and vaccine combos. If you want to verify, look up “Wikipedia” for DRANO and then look up the CDC LIST of vaccine ingredients. These ARE KNOWN DANGERS. What gets me upset is that the CDC FAILS TO WARN for the ingredients/ combinations and the fact NO ONE CAN SUE. Their publications (the VIS) say if there is a serious adverse event – call VAERS. Well, VAERS WONT HELP YOU IN AN EMERGENCY and VAERS WONT HELP YOU save your child. Parents are getting wise to this and THEY ARE TURNING AWAY THIS VOLATILE TRASH. If the CDC wants to “improve” the vaccination rate-first they need to get HONEST REAL NUMBERS for new diagnoses for autism spectrum, nervous system – like epilepsy and other disorders BY THE AGGREGATE NUMBERS like they do with diabetes. Not a guess from a small sample-ACTUAL DIAGNOSES THAT THEY HAVE. Second, PHARMA HAS TO MAKE SAFER FORMULATIONS THAT DONT HAVE KNOWN POISONS, INDUSTRIAL CORROSIVES, and UNKNOWN OR UNREGISTERED/EXPERIMENTAL CHEMICALS and biological components.

    • Kim Little-Johnston

      Acountability is absolutely necessary. They should be sued out of business when they put out products that are defective. That’s free market logic. Currently vaccines are being handled in a fascists manner where profits come before people

      • shygirl75158

        The 1986 Childhood Vaccine Injury Act should be repealed!

        In effect, our government gave into CORPORATE TERRORISTS! They went CRYING to congress like the spoiled little brats they are, and cried, “Boo-Hoo! We are getting sued too much becasue OUR PRODUCTS HURT CHILDREN, and if YOU (Congress) do not give us immunity from liability in cases of vaccine injury o r death, we are going to REFUSE to make vaccines in times of clear and present danger and let everybody die!” And our CONGRESS COWERED. I thought our mantra is “We don’t give into terrorists”? Congress gave into corporate terrorists, and gave int other demands instead of saying, ‘We don’t give into TERRORISTS – corporate or otherwise! If you don’t want to get sued so much then you better figure out how to make SAFER AND MORE EFFECTIVE products! If you refuse to make vaccines when NECESSARY, I am certain we can find some people with the same character as Jonas Salk, who will be willing to do so!’ End of story. And we wouldn’t be in this EPIDEMIC today of seriously ill children and so many BURIED children due to vaccines.

        I guarantee you – if one reads the biographies of Jonas Salk, and he were hear to see what has happened, he would be APPALLED. He once stated that when he gave a child his vaccine that he did not sleep well for two weeks. He also stated that “There had to be a better way.” When his polio vaccine was paralyzing and killing too many children, he didn’t run to congress shouting for mandates.

        God save us all is the fraudulent CDC is successful in their latest attempt at power grabbing! they ight as well change their letters to “SS.”

        • White_and_Nerdy

          I guarantee you that Salk would cry if he knew we graduated people from middle-school as scientifically illiterate as you are.

          W&N

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          Godwin’s law. You are becoming deranged and just lost any credibility.

      • White_and_Nerdy

        They can be sued:
        https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf

        They have been sued:
        https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf

        The anti-vaccs are a fraud so they lie about these this.

        W&N

    • shygirl75158

      And the NIH and CDC admitted before a congressional committee that NO SYNERGISTIC TOXICOLOGICAL SAFETY STUDIES have ever been done!

      • White_and_Nerdy

        Good thing that anyone that is functionally literate can find synergistic toxicology safety studies.

        W&N

    • shygirl75158

      First and foremost, if they really do want a safe (not that I think it ever really could be) vaccine program, then we must repeal the act of 1986 that gave them immunity form litigation. In the meantime, we MUST protect vaccine choice freedom in Texas.

      • White_and_Nerdy

        Good think that anyone that is functionally literate can see how the anti-vaccs lie when they assert that the law gives vaccine manufacturers immunity from litigation.

        W&N

      • VikingAPRNCNP

        The manufacturers are not immune from lawsuits. It’s actually a better system. Plaintiff legal fees are covered.burden of ptroof is 50% plus a feather.

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Your middle-school science teacher is crying….

      Why don’t you try checking your “science” with actual scientists? Or try reading the law before asserting that no one can sue?

      I mean other than learning how the anti-vaccs have played you for a fool???

      W&N

    • VikingAPRNCNP

      Deranged………

  • Redeemed

    Facts be damned. Good. Grief.

  • Virstyne Henry

    The only honest few sentences in this article although now I wouldn’t describe this as a small group “With officials like LaHood lending credibility to the anti-vaccination movement and the reluctance among Texas politicians to face this small but vocal group of anti-vaxxers, it doesn’t appear as though Texas’s vaccine exemption trend is going to slow down anytime soon.” Damn Skippy 😉

    • shygirl75158

      Isn’t it interesting, How when it is a politicians child or a doctors child, and they see the light – boy the trolls do turn quickly against them once they see the truth! And then you have the actors with vaccine injured kids coming out – people form all walks of life finally speaking out about the truth about how vaccines are harming our children.

      I can hear the cracks and hear their Tower of Babel starting to fall.

      • White_and_Nerdy

        Why is it that when scientists and media spend ~2 years demonstrating how Vaxxed is a fraud, you just don’t care?????

        W&N

  • Kim Little-Johnston

    Take away the federal protection provided at tax payer expense for these vaccine makers so they can be sued out of their humongous profits when then sell crappy, even deadly, products as they do now. They are completely unaccountable. No science has PROVEN that vaccines are effective, and they all are listed as potentially unsafe. No doctor is going to volunteer that product insert that clearly lists as adverse effects most of the more chronic pediatric illnesses, and all of the worst most common adverse effects. Read them, sleep on it then decide if roulette is really a game you want to play with your children’s well being. All the outbreaks mentioned above involved predominantly vaccinated people, they don’t work. They’re not worth the money or risk of damaging your child or anyone. The only thing they really do is make a very tiny fraction of the population multibillionaires. If they are not protected, they might actually try to make SAFE effective products, you know, earn their profits. Instead they rely on the big profits to pay for advertising, buy public officials, and quell and belittle anyone who sees through the charade for the inhuman scam it is. Vaccines are not medicine. Their very purpose is to attack the immune system, not heal it. The natural disease infection is the only way one gets lifelong immunity and and builds their immine system. vaccines are NOT normal, just check the neurotoxic ingredients in most of them. SAFE & EFFECTIVE. That isn’t asking too much. There is no incentive for them the to improve them, they aren’t in the same category as other pharmaceutical products that require much more testing and study. Vaccines get none of that. This is about protecting corporations, not human beings

    • shygirl75158

      Very well said! the 1986 Childhood Vaccine Injury Act MUST be repealed. Vaccine choice freedom must be preserved, and since the mainstream medical establishment has become little more that a subversive dictatorship, we should fight for Medical freedom to be guaranteed under our constitution.

      But now we have even bigger problems to fight: https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2016/08/15/2016-18103/control-of-communicable-diseases

      the CDC should be completely dismantled and over-hauled with citizen watchdogs in place at EVERY level. We cannot trust the foxes to guard the hen house anymore.

      • White_and_Nerdy

        Correction: we should change our schools so that no one can finish 8th grade and not be able to see the anti-vaccs for the fraud that they are….

        W&N

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Oh dear,

      The tax is paid by vaccine manufacturing and one more time….all US families can sue vaccine manufactures:
      https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf

      The only thing proven here is that the anti-vacc fraud preys upon folks that can’t read correctly.

      W&N

  • HomebirthMomma

    Amazing that a person that vaccinated his children until ONE of them was injured is considered, “anti-vaccine”? How about ‘anti-propaganda’ or ‘anti-one size fits all’, or ‘anti-mandates’??

    Why do you throw this man under the bus merely because he did his research and is simply questioning the safety of a medical procedure?

    Vaccines are NOT safe. Vaccines are deemed, ‘unavoidably, unsafe’ by the Supreme Court in 2011. Why is injury by vaccination such a hard pill to swallow?

  • Maurinemeleck

    If the group of those who are concerned about vaccine safety were really so small, then how come this journalist is so worried . How come politicians are afraid to take on this group. Not so small any more, believe me. It’s growing in numbers every day. And if you see Vaxxed, you will know why. The CDC has lied for decades quite knowingly that vaccines are neither safe or effective. They have committed fraud after fraud after fraud. There is no informed consent because the doctors never tell the parents or the patients about the known and dangerous side effects of vaccines. Kudos to D.A. Lahood for being brave enough to speak the truth. Kudos to Dr. Wakefield whose case study has been replicated in a half dozen countries. Shame on this paper or whatever it is, for promoting the lies again and again. Let’s take back our children. Vaccine choice and parental consent.

    • shygirl75158

      And Merck has committed many frauds about vaccines, as well. So the companies are also criminals.

      • White_and_Nerdy

        No the anti-vaccs just lie about Merck committing fraud and trust folks to be too stupid to see the truth.

        W&N

      • Mike Stevens

        What frauds about vaccines has Merck committed, Haven?

        Anyway, you couldn’t care less that Wakefield is a fraudster – so why do you suddenly get an attack of ethics when a pharma co is involved? Why should Wakefraud get a free ride?

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Google works!

      I can walk you over and over through the anti-vacc fraud, but I can’t give you integrity.

      Good news: no one that cares enough to look could actually believe Vaxxed. It is so flagrantly dishonest it just makes the anti-vaccs look even more stupid and pathetic than usual.

      W&N

    • VikingAPRNCNP

      Wakefields study is still unreplicated and still garbage…..

    • Mr. Wakefield.

      And if you’re so concerned about facts and the truth, why would you get your information from a disgraced fraud? Nobody has replicated Wakefraud’s garbage.

      Lol @ “Dr.” Wakefield!
      #MrWakefield #crapumentary #wakefraud

  • Texshan

    I deal with anti-vaccination people every day. The vast majority of them are incredibly arrogant, have no idea how vaccines work, have no background in medicine or science, and are amazingly obnoxious. They do not believe in conventional medicine, lie about doctors, and are secure in their smug narcissism. They regularly boast of wanting to “educate doctors about vaccines.” Sadly, most of the parents who damn vaccines are also into denying their children other medical care. They let high fevers rage, put breast milk in infected ears, and believe vitamin C cures cancer. Take a look at any anti-vax group on Facebook and you’ll see the widespread parental medical neglect. It’s repulsive, and the state has GOT to stop these people from infecting the rest of society.

    • shygirl75158

      Oh Run for the hills! Anyone not vaccinated up with 77 jabs in childhood plus 25 as adults is DISEASED!!! somehow we have all become the new leprosy! Pay your “health tax” to the pharma kings for your artificial immunity for the rest of your life! Willingly become their slaves! Somehow the human species – which boasts to be the greatest, most intelligent on the planet cannot survive without 102 jabs and beyond!

      There is no other way to treat, prevent or cure disease unless PHARMA – the god of all – provides it!

      Somehow we are by far immunologicaly weaker than every wild animal on the planet that never gets a single a vaccine, and yet they survive… unless… man steps in and wrecks their habitats and hunts them. I imagine to them human beings are their worst and most feared “pathogen.”

      200,000 years of immunological evolution and along comes “man” – those particular types of “MAN” who think they can improve on evolution. It might look good for the here and now, but it does not bode well for the generations down the road who will have no natural immunity left. And Txxshan calls the parents of vaccine injured children “narcissists.” I’ve never met a more self-sacrificing group of people, nor more compassionate or caring either.

      And she is wrong. More Alinsky “rules for Radicals” nonsense to try to make parents on the fence about vaccine FREEDOM think these parents are the “cult.” (when it is vaccine worshipers who are the cult).

      This is what I know about these parents. :

      They study their asses off. They read every paper, book, abstract, or article they can get their hands on.
      They do compare notes with each another.
      They stop feeding their children JUNK food. They learn to cook balanced meals from scratch.
      They don’t give their children carbonated, sugar-filled beverages.
      They either strictly limit refined sugars or eliminate them from their children’s diets.
      They study their asses off about nutrition.
      They will drive to the ends of the earth if they have to to find a doctor who “gets it” about their child’s myriad medical/neurological injuries.They do have little patience for doctors who cannot concede that vaccines hurt children. (they know medical students on average spend a grand total of two hours in four years studying vaccines).
      They will drive to the ends of the earth if they have to to get proper services and supports for their children.
      They study their asses off about special education advocacy and special education law.
      They fight like hell to get their child proper educational and therapeutic services.
      They do try to avoid prescription meds but will use them when necessary. These children become very chemically sensitive after vaccine injury.
      If they find they cannot get a FAPE for their children in public school, then they will home school 1:1 so that their child CAN (and they do) learn to read, write, and compute math, as well as other subjects. They also will tech their children independence skills, self-help skills, and provide community based instruction int eh hopes their kids can be independent one day or need less care (they don’t want them winding up in state institutions where they will be neglected, abused, raped, or even killed).
      They get involved in politics because they cannot afford not to.
      They go to the congressional committee meetings when it is a topic that affects their children. Their children cannot speak or advocate for themselves, so they know they MUST be their children’s voices.
      They get involved when legislation is put forward that can affect their children.
      Even if they never voted before, you can BET they vote now(post vaccine injury) – in every election, and they RESEARCH the candidates and make educated decisions on whom to vote for.
      They contact their legislators at both the state and federal levels, OFTEN.
      They give their children their TIME, care, compassion – they give them their all.

      When public comment is called for at the federal level, and the issue may affect their children or FREEDOMS, they DO IT.
      They are not like many Americans who have been complacent and apathetic. They know that FREEDOM cannot defend itself and remain intact.

      We did not run to a doctor for every little thing when we were kids. We went if we were very sick and mom wasn’t sure what it was. That was rarely, actually. Many of us are Christians or people of faith who trust in a higher power. Christ said several times in the New Testament, “The WELL have NO NEED of a physician.” So no, we don’t run to a doctor for these “well visits” because we know all they are really about is to push vaccines and try to get our kids addicted on one prescription med or another. We use doctors when necessary. That’s the way it was done when we were growing up. It worked. but alas, it didn’t make the doctors wealthy or give them a lot of repeat business.

      It is sad that you think the medical mainstream is the ONLY way. What Dr. Benjamin Rush said in 1778 has come to pass:

      “The Constitution of this Republic should make special provision for medical freedom. To restrict the art of healing to one class will constitute the Bastille of medical science. All such laws are un-American and despotic…Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution; the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship and force people, who wish doctors and treatments of their own choice, to submit to only what the dictating outfit offers.The Constitution of the Republic should make a Special provision for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom.”

      Sadly, the drafters of our Constitution did not listen, but I bet they are now rolling in their graves to see Dr. Rush’s prediction come to pass. IN order to actually “FIX” healthcare, there are any things we must do,and one of them is to guarantee medical freedom under the constitution. They don’t even abide by the Nuremberg code anymore. these fat cats were all ARROGANT when it was the Nazi’s experimenting on human beings but experimenting on US children without consent – suddenly the Nuremberg Code doesn’t matter.

      You admonish these parents for not trusting the medical mainstream. Perhaps they see holistic DO’s, or naturopaths, nutritionists or chiropractors. It was the medical mainstream doctors who told them vaccines were safe, but after vaccine injury they were quick to abandon the child’s care. The medical mainstream has IGNORED the medical, metabolic, neurological,and immunological injuries in these children for at least thirty years now. Not surprising considering they have been taught that vaccine injury is “rare’ and to IGNORE it, and above all never treat as anything but a behavioral or psychiatric “disease.”

      One only has to wonder what YOU would do if your child received a round of vaccines ad then was suddenly medically, metabolically, neurologically, and immunological injured. You’d probably sit on your @$$ and say” genetic!”and then still never do anything to alleviate the child’s suffering. and yet you call these parents ‘arrogant.” I think the pot is calling the kettle black.

      • Brian

        “The vast majority of [anti-vaccination people] are incredibly arrogant, have no idea how vaccines work, have no background in medicine or science, and are amazingly obnoxious.” -Texshan

        followed by shygirl75158 proving every part of this statement correct!

      • NoToGMOs

        Bravo! Well stated.

  • Suzanne

    what does shedding of a vaccine mean (typed into Google search)

    “Scientific evidence demonstrates that individuals vaccinated with live virus vaccines such as MMR (measles, mumps and rubella), rotavirus, chicken pox, shingles and influenza can shed the virus for many weeks or months afterwards and infect the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.”

    • shygirl75158

      It means the virus spreads through the pee and poop form a recently vaccinated individual. with pertussis vaccine, it can also spread through mucous. so when one is recently vaccinated with DTaP, they can spread the virus when they cough or sneeze. Flu Mist is a LIVE virus vaccine, and those who receive it are also contagious – thereby actually spreading the flu to others.

      Many of the antigens used in vaccines have been GMO’s, so it is possible that these live and attenuated vaccines could be speeding NEW strains. Think FRANKENSTEIN.

      • Brian

        Someone needs to learn what “shedding” actually means, because you just regurgitated conspiratorial nonsense, again.

        • shygirl75158

          NOPE> what’s your background, again? aside for being a paid troll?

          • White_and_Nerdy

            If you keep posting idiocy….like calling “DTaP” (all 3 are bacteria) a virus…you are going to be mocked.

            Seriously: can you follow middle school science at all…even a little bit????
            W&N

        • PK

          Brian exposes how little he knows.

          • Except…pertussis is a bacteria. Now, explain to the class what the a in DTaP/Tdap means.

        • kfunk937

          “The virus spreads…with pertussis vaccine” and “they can spread the virus.”

          What an illiterate, child-abusing hag.

      • Have you actually read Frankenstein?

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Would have helped if you had also posted what attenuated means….

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attenuated_vaccine

      “Attenuation takes an infectious agent and alters it so that it becomes harmless…”

      So what exactly is the concern?
      W&N

    • Sonja Henie

      Perhaps you could post a, er, link?

      Here’s one for you:
      https://www.verywell.com/live-vaccines-and-vaccine-shedding-2633700
      “Although live vaccines don’t cause disease in the people who get them
      because they are made with weakened viruses and bacteria, there is
      always a concern that someone with a severely weakened immune system
      could get sick after getting a live vaccine. That is why live vaccines
      are not given to people who are getting chemotherapy or who have severe
      HIV, among other conditions. . . .

      https://www.verywell.com/anti-vaccine-myths-and-misinformation-2633730
      “It is actually true that some vaccines can shed the vaccine virus after
      it is given to a child, but it is hardly a reason to avoid vaccines. For
      example, both the rotavirus and oral polio vaccines can shed the vaccine strain of virus. You don’t have to actually get a rotavirus or polio infection for that to happen, but it would only be a problem if the person they were in contact with was immunocompromised.”

      Got it? Only a problem with certain vaccines around the IMMUNOCOMPROMISED!

  • Suzanne

    So the three main beliefs pro vaxxers like to maintain are the need for herd immunity, how polio was eradicated by the vaccine, and how antibodies created by vaccines are proof they work. These fallacies are easily disproved with logic, historical fact, and with already well known medical science.

    HERD IMMUNITY

    The major flaw in the herd immunity theory is that almost all adults born before 1986 in the U.S. did not receive , Hep A, Hep B, Rotavirus, Varicella, Pneumococcal, Meningococcal, or Hib vaccines. Adults over the age of 30 make up about 65% of the population. Almost all adults are unvaccinated for many of the diseases children are vaccinated for, yet, adults are not experiencing epidemics of these diseases, nor are they spreading them to their children. With 65% of the population unvaccinated for 7 diseases, how can there ever be vaccine derived herd immunity as it has been defined by the CDC?

    ERADICATION OF POLIO

    From the book, Fear of the Invisible by Janine Roberts. I highly recommend reading the entire book for a complete history of polio and the vaccine fraud.

    Chapter 6, page 65. …

    The Los Angeles County health authority explained: ‘Most cases reported prior to July 1 1958 of non-paralytic poliomyelitis are now reported as viral or aseptic meningitis ‘ in accordance with instructions from Washington.’

    As a result, the number of cases of memingitis diagnosed went from near zero to many thousands while polio came down equivalently. Between 1951 and 1960 in the United States 70, 083 of non-paralytic polio were diagnosed – and zero cases of aseptic meningitis. But under the new diagnostic rules this was reversed. Over the next twenty years over 100,000 cases of aseptic meningitis were diagnosed and only 589 cases of ‘non-paralytic polio.’

    Extraordinarily, non-paralytic cases were now to be renamed as meningitis even if the polio virus was present! In future, the reported figures for polio were officially to exclude cases of aseptic meningitis due to poliovirus or other enteroviruses.” ☆

    ☆EIS Officer, Division of Immunization, Center for Disease Control, Dept of Health and Human Services, USA (personal communication to Dr. Issac Golden dated 26 August 1988)…

    The Ratner Report from 1961 addressed how the re-naming of polio skewed the statistics and can be used as proof of the info posted from Janine Roberts’ book.

    ANTIBODIES = IMMUNITY

    Antibodies are not proven to give immunity. The scientific literature is clear.

    Obituary from the New YorkTimes

    Merrill W. Chase, an immunologist whose research on white blood cells helped undermine the longstanding belief that antibodies alone protected the body from disease and micro-organisms, died on Jan. 5 at his home in New York City, according to the Rockefeller University, where he worked for. 70 years. He was 98.

    Dr. Chase made his landmark discovery in the early 1940’s while working with Dr. Karl Landsteiner, a Nobel laureate recognized for his work identifying the human blood groups. At the time, experts believed that the body mounted its attacks against pathogens primarily through antibodies circulating in the blood stream, known as humoral immunity.

    But Dr. Chase, working in his laboratory, stumbled upon something that appeared to shatter that widespread tenet.

    As he tried to immunize a guinea pig against a disease using antibodies he had extracted from a second pig, he found that blood serum did not work as the transfer agent.

    Not until he used white blood cells did the immunity carry over to the other guinea pig, providing solid evidence that it could not be antibodies alone orchestrating the body’s immune response.

    Dr. Chase had uncovered the second arm of the immune system, or cell-mediated immunity. His finding became the groundwork for later research that pinpointed B cells, T cells and other types of white blood cells as the body’s central safeguards against infection.

    ”This was a major discovery because everyone now thinks of the immune response in two parts, and in many instances it’s the cellular components that are more important,” said Dr. Michel Nussenzweig, a professor of immunology at Rockefeller. ”Before Chase, there was only humoral immunity. After him, there was humoral and cellular immunity.”

    Dr. Chase’s breakthrough generated little interest at the time, but it set in motion the research that helped redefine the fundamental nature of the immune system.

    ”So many areas of medicine rely on this type of reaction that he clearly distinguished as not being antibody mediated,” said Dr. Ralph Steinman, a professor of cellular physiology and immunology at Rockefeller. ”People never anticipated that there would be something other than antibodies. It was an amazing finding.”

    Born in Providence, R.I., in 1905, Merrill Wallace Chase earned his bachelor’s degree and doctorate from Brown. He taught biology there for a year, before joining the faculty at Rockefeller in 1932 as an assistant to Dr. Landsteiner. He has published at least 150 scientific papers.

    In 1975, he was elected to the National Academy of Sciences.

    Dr. Chase, who lived in Manhattan, was married twice, first to Edith Steele Bowen, who died in 1961, and then to Cynthia Hambury Pierce, who died in 1997. He is survived by a son, John, of West Hills, Calif.; a daughter, Nancy Chase Cowles, of Redding, Conn.; five grandchildren; and four great-grandchildren.

    I wish to give thanks to Rick O. for sharing this wonderful post.

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Thanks again!

      Takes most folks a few seconds to find decades of data showing that vaccines result in herd immunity….nothing in this long post that stands up to the most child-like effort at fact checking.

      W&N

  • Suzanne

    “Health authorities credit vaccines for dis- ease declines, and assure us of their safety and effectiveness. Yet these assumptions are directly contradicted by government statistics, published medical studies, Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reports, and the opinions of credible research scientists from around the world.”

    “VACCINATION MYTH #1: “Vaccines are safe…”
    heard testimony that medical students are told not to report suspected adverse events.
    …or are they?
    The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC, a grassroots organization founded by parents of vaccine-injured and killed children) has conducted its own investigations. It re- ported: “In New York, only one out of 40 doctor’s offices confirmed that they report a death or in- jury following vaccination.” In other words, 97.5% of vaccine related deaths and disabilities go un- reported there. Implications about medical ethics aside (federal law directs doctors to report se- rious adverse events), these findings suggest that vaccine deaths and serious injuries actually occurring may be from 10 to 100 times greater than the number reported.”

    “When you factor in under reporting, the vaccine may be 100 times more deadly than the disease. Some argue that this is a necessary cost to prevent the return of a disease that would be more deadly than the vaccine. But when you consider the fact that the vast majority of disease decline this cen- tury preceded the widespread use of vaccina- tions (pertussis mortality declined 79% prior to vaccines), and the fact that rates of disease de- clines remained virtually unchanged following the introduction of mass immunization, present day vaccine casualties cannot reasonably be ex- plained away as a necessary sacrifice for the benefit of a disease-free society.”

    Are Vaccines Effective?

    “The medical literature has a surprising number of studies documenting vaccine failure. Measles, mumps, small pox, pertussis, polio and Hib outbreaks have all occurred in vaccinated populations. In 1989 the CDC re- ported: “Among school-aged children, [measles] outbreaks have occurred in schools with vaccina- tion levels of greater than 98 percent. [They] have occurred in all parts of the country, includ- ing areas that had not reported measles for years.” The CDC even reported a measles out- break in a documented 100% vaccinated popula- tion.”

    ” Furthermore, Eu- ropean countries that refused immunization for small pox and polio saw the epidemics end along with those countries that mandated it; vaccines were clearly not the sole determining factor. In fact, both small pox and polio immunization cam- paigns were followed by significant disease inci- dence increases. After smallpox vaccination was being mandated, smallpox remained a prevalent disease with some substantial increases, while other infectious diseases simultaneously contin- ued their declines in the absence of vaccines.”

    “It is unclear what impact, if any, that vaccines had on 19th and 20th century infectious disease declines.”

    The clinical evidence for vaccines is their ability to stimulate antibody production in the re- cipient. What is not clear, however, is whether or not antibody production constitutes immunity. For example, agamma globulin-anemic children are incapable of producing antibodies, yet they re- cover from infectious diseases almost as quickly as other children…….Natural immuniza- tion is a complex interactive process involving many bodily organs and systems; it cannot be replicated merely by the artificial stimulation of antibodies.”

    “VACCINATION MYTH
    “My child had no reaction to the vaccines, so there is nothing to worry about…”
    …or is there?

    The documented long term adverse effects of vaccines include chronic immunological and neurological disorders such as autism, hyperac- tivity, attention deficit disorders, dyslexia, aller- gies, cancer, and other conditions, many of which barely existed before mass vaccination programs. Vaccine ingredients include known toxicants and carcinogens such as thimersol (a mercury derivative), aluminum phosphate, for- maldehyde (for which the Poisons Information Centre in Australia claims there is no acceptable safe amount that can be injected into a living human body), and phenoxyethanol (commonly known as antifreeze)…………..autism, learning dis- abilities, minimal and not-so-minimal brain damage, seizures, epilepsy, sleeping and eating disorders, sexual disorders, asthma, crib death, diabetes, obesity, and impulsive violence are precisely the disorders which afflict contemporary society. Many of these conditions were formerly relatively rare, but they have become more common as childhood vaccination programs have expanded.”

    That was only a small sample so click on the link to read more…

    http://www.vaccinerights.com/pdf/DispellingVaccinationMythsx.pdf

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Thanks!

      I love the link.

      All it takes is the integrity to look up the definition of the word “safe” to see how they lie about vaccine safety and 5th grade math skill to skills to see how the lie about vaccine efficacy.

      Thanks again!
      W&N

  • shygirl75158

    “And 38 total cases of measles were reported between 2013 and 2015 in Texas, including a 2013 outbreak infecting 21 people who attended a vaccine-skeptical megachurch outside of Dallas. Texas had already recorded its first measles case of the year just a few weeks into 2016 when a Plano ISD student was infected with the virus in January, according to the Dallas Morning News.” NOBODY DIED! why did the media NEVER interview any of the “VICTIMS”? The medical mafia and BIg HARMA just hate it when people LIVE. They REALLY hate it when anyone gains LIFELONG IMMUNITY to a benign illness. WE KNOW the media is BOUGHT. You cannot survive without pharmaceutical advertising dollars. It’s why I QUIT buying magazines years ago. You cannot be rusted anymore, and you are certainly not “free and unbiased.” We know what this big media push is regarding more and more parents opting out. The vaccine makers are coming to strip TEXAS parents of their parental right to make decisions for their children concerning vaccines. they won’t find Texas paretns as easily trampled upon as their Californian brothers and sisters, and we do stand with the opposition in this war on human rights, parental rights ,and MEDICAL FREEDOM. The jig is up: there have been far too many children injured medically, metabolically, neurologically, and immunologicaly BY VACCINES. This is not “just autism.” The media got indoctrinated and duped into calling it that. Our children were HEALTHY, normally developing children until they received a round of vaccines. These vaccines made them UNHEALTHY and neurologically injured. Show me a child you think has “just autism” that has been born in the last thirty years, and I will show you a child with medical/neurological, immunological, and metabolic conditions that WERE NOT there before vaccines caused them. The pharmaceutical industry has declared war upon our children, and they have enticed you with the advertising dollars to help them do it! WAKE UP. The media was supposed to protect THE PEOPLE, but we all know who it is you protect. You are not going to bite the hand that feeds you. “Those who would relinquish even a little personal liberty for some perceived safety, deserve neither freedom nor safety” (Benjamin Franklin). I think I’ll wait until I see the author step up and take nine vaccines or more in a day “for the team.”

    • Texshan

      These people also are typically conspiracy theorists, in case this post didn’t tip you off.

    • White_and_Nerdy

      “NOBODY DIED!”

      Fails 5th grade math.

      Are you trying to make the anti-vaccs look silly?

      W&N

  • DirkD

    Studies Show that Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease

    Should the Recently Vaccinated be Quarantined to Prevent Outbreaks? –

    http://www.westonaprice.org/press/studies-show-that-vaccinated-individuals-spread-disease/

    • Brian

      Citing anti-vaccine conspiracy sites do not give you credibility.

      • shygirl75158

        Citing industry funded studies doesn’t give you any either.

        • DirkD

          Invoking the Pavlovian-response-inducing “conspiracy” cop out does not give you any credibility.

    • White_and_Nerdy

      Ok…even if your science is pretty thin….all it takes is a few seconds with Wiki to see how your link lies.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attenuated_vaccine

      “Attenuation takes an infectious agent and alters it so that it becomes harmless…”

      Well, that was easy…..

      W&N

      • NoToGMOs

        Ah, Wiki. That bastion of science! :Eyeroll:

        Harmless? Haha!

        “Attenuated pathogens have the very rare potential to revert to a pathogenic form and cause disease in vaccines or their contacts. Examples for this are the very rare, serious adverse events of:
        vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis (VAPP) and
        disease-causing vaccine-derived poliovirus (VDPV) associated with oral polio vaccine (OPV).”

        http://vaccine-safety-training.org/live-attenuated-vaccines.html

  • Brian

    The Anti-vaccine Translator!
    When an anti-vaxxer says:

    “There’s never been a study about _____”
    It really means:
    “There’s been tons of studies, but none that confirm my way of thinking”

    “Vaccines are full of toxic chemicals” = “I have completely forgotten high school chemistry”

    “I’m not anti-vaccine, but…” = “I’m certainly anti-vaccine, and the next words I say will prove it”

    “VAERS proves ______” = “I don’t know the meaning of the term “adverse event””

    “My child is vaccine-injured” = “My child has autism, which science has repeatedly shown isn’t caused by vaccines, but I don’t want people to know I’m a liar.”

    “It’s not about vaccines, it’s about parental choice” = “I don’t want people to know my true motives”

    “This link has 14 or 30 or 126 scientific studies proving a link between vaccines and autism” = “I don’t understand any of those papers”

    “The science is corrupt and can’t be trusted” = “A quack doctor who makes money by deceiving gullible people told me that the science is corrupt and can’t be trusted”

    “#CDCWhistleblower” = “No facts will ever convince me this conspiracy isn’t real”

    “I’ve done hundreds of hours of research” = “I’ve done zero hours of research, and never once worked in a research laboratory, but I stayed up all night reading conspiracy blogs”

    “Vaccines didn’t eliminate disease” = “I don’t know how to read a chart”

    “Vaccine refusers are well-educated” = “I believe the best way to back up a false claim is by saying you’re smart”

    “Watch this youtube video” = “I cannot discern between reality and nonsense”

    “Check out the vaccine insert” = “I don’t understand the vaccine insert, but it has scary-sounding words in it so I’ll assume it proves me right”

    “I’m just asking questions” = “My questions have been answered hundreds of times, but I insist on remaining ignorant”

    “Look it up yourself. I’m not here to educate you.” = “I have no evidence for what I just said”

    “You’re a paid shill for big pHARMa!” = “I give up”

    • shygirl75158

      Brain,

      Evidently you have never read the DSM-V for what autism is.

      Does it include MEDICAL disorders that suddenly started after vaccines were administered? NO.

      Does the DSM-V include metabolic disorders NOS (that suddenly began after vaccines were administered). NO

      Does it include the presence of inflammatory bowel disease (that began shortly following administration of vaccines). NO

      Does it include criteria for determining ischemic stroke? NO

      Does it include SUDDEN loss of speech and affect/ NO

      Does it include the sudden on-set of Immunological disorders NOS? NO

      Does it evaluate on the basis of neurological disorders or the sudden onset of absence seizures, grand mal seizures, tremors, nystagmus, or tics? NO.

      It’s a questionnaire about “observed BEHAVIORS.” a parent could do it. But that does NOTHING for the vaccine injured child who has medical, metabolic, neurological, immunological disorders FIRST and foremost.

      Vaccine injury causes all of the above addition to some of these children exhibiting some of the same behaviors as are seen in Kanner’s autism, but this is NOT Kanner’s “autism.”

      I get that while you are jugging down your fourth milkshake form the local fast junk food restaurant and sitting in your shorts and have forgot to shower this past week, that You had to take the job. Time’s are tough, but you get that trying to trivialize one of the worst iatrogenic DISASTERS of the modern age by hiding it only behind a term diagnosed by observed behaviors is pretty pithy, right?

      Many neurological events can also cause these types of behaviors to appear. To try to call them all “autism” and discount the reality of the medical, neurological, metabolic, and immunological suffering of these children is just beyond reason. I mean… for one who claims to be so “scientific.” Or perhaps you worship science only when it suits you, which seems to be the case. “These kids “just have…”

      Are you actually trying to say these kids don’t have medical problems? metabolic problems? neurological conditions, seizures, tics, tremors, nystagmus, heavy metal toxicities, vaccinosis? Are you really trying to fool the public that intrinsically?

      I trust Texas paretns are smarter than that. I hope they pay very close attention to how the families of vaccine injured children are treated “after the fact”. they may well be one of us one day.

      Note to parents: “NOS” means “Not otherwise specified.” that is the term mainstream medical physicians give to a disorder that occurs after VACCINE INJURY when they can’t or don’t want to explain what caused. it. One of the most common metabolic disorders found in many of these children is the inability to regulate copper in their bodies ANYMORE. Upon first finding this through medical testing, most doctors will SWEAR to the parents that their child MUST have “Wilson’s Disease.” They will tell them they are “CERTAIN” of it, but when the test comes back and the child doesn’t have Wilson’s, the mainstream medical doctors are STUMPED. Wilson’s disease is a GENETIC metabolic disorder. What these children have is not. According the them. So since the mainstream medical profession is TAUGHT not to say one bad word about vaccines EVER, the doctor will then diagnose the child simply with “metabolic disorder NOS.” The treatment for Wilson’s and this metabolic disorder is the virtually the same. It’s just that it is an IATROGENIC metabolic disorder that has EXPLODED in the last thirty years due to the over administration of vaccines. the danger is similar. High levels of copper in a body over a period of time will permanently damage organs, most notably the brain. And medical students are not taught to recognize vaccine injury so they rarely think to look for this metabolic disorder NOS and prevent further injury to the child’s BRAIN.

      The government, and of course the medical mainstream have blown this whole IATROGENIC SYSTEMIC disease off to some “questionnaire” about behaviors. Don’t let them fool you with that.

      • Brian

        Thanks for waving the white shill flag of surrender so proudly.

        • shygirl75158

          You are so boringly predictable. We will never surrender. We will never stop fighting to prevent your ik from harming more children.

          • joe

            The reality is that by denying vaccination, you are harming the children

      • White_and_Nerdy

        Apparently you are utterly unable to understand DSM-V….
        http://www.dsm5.org/Pages/Default.aspx

        But hey, if you insist upon making the anti-vaccs look silly, well who am I to complain?

        W&N

    • shygirl75158

      Yawn.. Such tripe… the trolls should really update their shill 101 class.

      • sabelmouse

        yup!

      • joe

        A typical response from a beaten anti vaxxer,why did you not come up with some decent evidence to respond to Brian? I tell you why,BECAUSE THERE IS NONE.

        • Ron Roy

          joe, joe your babbling again now go back to sleep. Poor joe he’s not feeling well.

          • Joe

            I see you are still having trouble with your English, Joe is spelt with a capital J not a little j.Perhaps you should brush up on your English before attempting to engage in more difficult things like vaccination.

          • Ron Roy

            Oh poor bebe did I offend you? So sorry.

    • PK

      Brian, still lying.

  • Wesley TX

    Why are we so worried about the vaccines when the Chemtrails are killing us already, and what the Chemtrails don’t get the Chupacabras will. The Chupacabras are coming to get us!!!

  • PK

    As the number of vaccine injured people grow, so do the voices of those who spread the truth about the danger of vaccines. Parents who risked the shots and escaped without a vaccine injury feel lucky. Future parents who do the research don’t vaccinate.

    • Brian

      Still lying, I see.

      According to the VICP, how many vaccines have to be given to result in one injury, on average?

      • PK

        Classic pro-vax troll. Use the VICP which most physicians and victims of vaccine injury don’t even know about to prove vaccines are safe. Then claim that parents over report vaccine injuries so the numbers are artificially high when it suits your narrative. Brian gets caught in another lie.

        • Brian

          Still lying, I see.

          Thanks again, for proving my point.

          • PK

            You are like a 12 year old. Your comeback is juvenile. “I know you are, but what am I.” You are dismissed troll.

          • Brian

            …says the person who regurgitates anti-vax nonsense.

            Insults don’t phase me when they come from people untethered from reality.

          • PK

            Then move on troll.

          • shygirl75158

            Coming form a recluse who knows nothing about vaccine injury.

          • shygirl75158

            He’s a troll, PK. If we keep feeding the trolls they just want more. They’re like stray mongrels. He’s probably some guy sitting in his shorts in front of his computer jugging down his fourth SUPER-SIZED milkshake for the day and couldn’t find any gainful employment elsewhere.

        • It’s in every insert, PK. Not our fault if you don’t bother to read it.

          • PK

            You mean the insert that is rarely given to parents before their kid get the jab? When parents actually read the inserts, they tend to question the vax. Pesky parents with their safety questions aren’t embraced by pediatricians.

      • shygirl75158

        Every child is unique, Brian. to try to have a “one size fits all” vaccine program is INSANE. for some children, it takes only ONE vaccine to injure them forever. for some, it takes only ONE vaccine to cause death. Go play Russian roulette with your own children.

        • Brian

          It only takes one disease epidemic to kill as well.

          • shygirl75158

            You feed on FEAR. FEAR makes your bosses money. We ear not afraid. People should starve you but it si worrisome considering they have vaccines they want to sell and “to sell a pail of water, one is apt to start a fire.” So I guess you wold just sit around and fail to treat an outbreak, Brian. doctors have known since 1934 that Vitamin A is a sufficient treatment for measles. Of course with the GMO measles they have created, who knows. I’m sure they’d like to create a strain that only “they” can prevent. the other diseases? What are they too LAZY to explore? They’d rather use a LUCRATIVE, toxic measure that destroys the lives of at least 36,000 innocent children a year in this country. Please enlighten me. what else have they come up with in the last thirty years to treat disease that does not maim or kill and will not make them a lot of MONEY. so obviously profits are more important than us “little people’s children. It would be very easy to to prescribe Vitamin A. What other nutrient might be good to treat pertussis, mumps, etc….

            He Brian, how come no one interviewed those in DFW who came down with measles and SURVIVED, so they could tell their tales of the “horror”?

            I am allergic to vaccine ingredients. My child is certainly allergic to vaccine ingredients. The answer is not to demand every other person be vaccinated becasue whether I get sick or my child gets sick depends on the FUNCTION of our own immune systems at any given point in time – and before you wail, I had mainstream doctor tell me that. No person should be required to set their child on fire to keep another person’s child warm.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Oh dear again…

            Actually it is the anti-vaccs they prey upon fear and staggering foolishness.

            For example:
            “doctors have known since 1934 that Vitamin A is a sufficient treatment for measles.”

            How can any that has finished middle-school actually believe such BS? Guess that is why you don’t post any data…

            W&N

          • shygirl75158

            Gee brain, you are such a coward! there are about a million ways to die,a nd benign illness are not in the top 100 in this country. You are a coward, so you want everyone else to be a coward, as well. I guess you are an atheist. You do not trust in a higher power, so that makes you even more afraid. so you had to create some kind of god to rely on and for you, that is vaccines and maybe even medical mainstream doctors. If you are so afraid, then lock yourself in your house and never go out, because there are MILLIONS Of bacteria and viruses everywhere. Or stop being afraid, grow a pair and live life and enjoy it the way we used to when kids only got four vaccines, and we didn’t have all these skyrocketing rates of autism, vaccine injury, ADD/ADHD, pediatric cancers, pediatric diabetes, pediatric auto immune disease, SIDS – funny how all these diseases SKYROCKETED exponentially with the number of vaccines mandated and really sky rocketed after the vaccine makers won immunity from liability.

            It’s funny how parents weren’t at each other’s throats in the 60’s and 70’s when only four to five vaccines were given,and nobody ever asked another if their child was “up to date” before allowing a play date. We LIVED. We enjoyed life and we were healthy. We didn’t have all these kids with ‘asthma” and food allergies and environmental allergies – kids with elevated nagalase in their bodies (that got PUT THERE). It’s amazing how a group of corporations would willingly turn Americans against each other in order to generate profit.
            This was not an issue in those decades. i wonder why it is now. We didn’t have serious epidemics then. there are mass graves of children’s bodies to be found.

            In fact the ONLY epidemic a paretns shold fear today is the epidemic of vaccine injury – wholly avoidable, and yet it is stealing a chd every twenty minutes. If parents need to fear something, then they should fear that. If measles were stealing a child every twenty minutes, … In fact if anything other than vaccine injury were stealing a child every twenty minutes… imagine the frenzy, but since it is vaccine injury doing it,a dn that makes a lot of people a lot of money, it somehow is okay..

            so stop being a coward and go live your life. If you take vaccines – since you believe int hem, and if they really worked, you’ll be fine. If they actually work, then there is no need for anyone else to take them too. If they won’t work unless every person on planet takes them, then go back to the drawing board and use that “great science” you so love to laud and figure it out. And if that science can’t figure out how to do it without hurting anyone’s child, then it will be rejected.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Oh dear…
            “ADD/ADHD, pediatric cancers, pediatric diabetes, pediatric auto immune disease, SIDS – funny how all these diseases SKYROCKETED exponentially with the number of vaccines mandated and really sky rocketed after the vaccine makers won immunity from liability.”

            They haven’t increased exponentially…you simply can’t count.

            And you can’t read correctly and see that all US families can sue vaccine makers.

            Well no wonder the anti-vaccs are able to fool you every single time!

            You should find a different topic to post about….because you are so far beyond lost…

            W&N

          • joe

            In 1954 in my class alone,four of my mates died from Polio ( benign? ) another six had a caliper on one leg and another four had a caliper on both legs and that was just in my class and you refer to this as BENIGN

        • White_and_Nerdy

          Oh dear,

          Here is the US schedule:
          http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/index.html

          It is not one size fits all….

          Functional literacy is all it takes to see the anti-vacc fraud in action…

          W&N

    • White_and_Nerdy

      So are vaccination rates increasing or decreasing? Right……

      W&N

  • Shannon Spillers Nix

    Mr Reigstad,
    Other than getting quotes from Mr Villaba and checking out the best ways to smear a bunch of concerned parents, did you actually do any research regarding the PAC Texans for Vaccine Choice….of course other than Mr Villabas point of view? The PAC is not an anti-vaccination group. They are a pro informed choice. Some vaccinate they children, others choose to pick and choose which vaccine is right for their child, & other choose not to due to previous vaccination injury, religious reasons and more. It is a parent’s responsibility to make sure that what goes into their child is right for them. Some children cannot (b/c of genetic issues…very much like an allergy) be vaccinated…or they will have serious issues. If you kid was allergic to peanuts, how would you feel if I said well sry sir but we are madating that everyone eat peanut butter today….due to the now popular belief we know that kids with peanut allergies should not eat peanut butter. It’s the same for a lot of these kids with genetic predispositions to vaccine.

    One more thing…you are way off in regards to dr Wakefield. Definitely no real journalism there.

    Mr Leif Reigstad, before you write another piece I suggest you fact check all sides of the story, & not just the side you think is right. Otherwise, your journalistic integrity will be questionable at best.

    • Brian

      If you support the film vaxxed, which promotes dangerous and false anti-vaccine propaganda, then your group definitely is anti-vaccine and definitely NOT for informed choice.

      Why do anti-vaxxers lie so much?

      • shygirl75158

        spoken by someone who never bothered to view the documentary, so how would he know what’s in it. I’ve seen it and it is filled with facts. It will also give parents a more realistic portrayal fo what vaccine injury is. so go see it so you can see what you risk when you give your child a vaccine. they don’t know which kids will react, and they don’t care. what if the next child who reacts is YOURS? It’s one big giant pediatric human experiment and your children are the pawns.

        • White_and_Nerdy

          I did. And I have publicly encouraged others to do so too.

          I also encourage people to fact-check….takes most people about 1 min to see that the movie systematically lies…then there are folks like you…

          W&N

        • Just let me know where it’s available for free since according to you lot, making a profit is such a terrible COI.

    • shygirl75158

      Nicely said, Shannon! You see that term “anti-vaxxer” is how they operate. they had to come up with a name for their opposition that sounded “negative.” they couldn’t call us what we are: Parents of vaccine injured children. that wouldn’t do. Just like they could never call this new iatrogenic, destroying our children’s lives EPIDEMIC of the last thirty or more years “Vaccine Injury” becasue calling things what they really are doesn’t help their agenda or their profits. Yes, probably a genetic PREDISPOSITION perhaps to being allergic to vaccine ingredients. They understand somehow magically and will concede that ONE PEANUT can kill some children, but vaccines? Oh no, never.

      Journalistic “integrity” ceased as soon as “Direct to Consumer Advertising” of pharmaceutical products began. They LICK the hands that feed them. they will never bite the hands that feed them. Media has become nothing more than public relations hacks for the Big Harma industry.

    • shygirl75158

      Journalists do not fact check anymore. They are spin doctors for the industry. There really are very few real journalists anymore. They get told what to write for the benefit who gives them the most money.

      • Brian

        “Journalists do not fact check anymore.”

        Anti-vaxxers never fact-checked to begin with. The claims in Vaxxed were all disproven years ago, but the conspiracy theorists still treat it as if it’s real.

      • White_and_Nerdy

        Sure, there is a range in the quality of journalists….but lots do fact-check…much, much better than you do.

        Many journalists have exposed the anti-vacc fraud, you just don’t seem to care.

        W&N

  • Montemalone

    These anti-vaccine people are nature’s way of clearing the gene pool.

    • shygirl75158

      No, natural selection is, but you know you couldn’t cut it that way. You don’t trust your own god-given immunity. I guess you want to eat as many cheeseburgers as you want and then take a vaccine… you probably think that will save you form heart disease, too.

      If generations from now, it came down to those with natural immunity against the artificial immunity vaccine slaves, those with natural immunity would be the last ones standing. All the Vaccine lords would have to do is cut you off form your boosters for not making enough money for them,and then the first little virus or bacteria that comes along will kill you. In the battle between vaxxed and non-vaxxed, those with natural immunity who have had the audacity to adapt to their environment would live to tell the sad tale of your demise. Slaves never fare well when their masters turn against them. Vaccination is NOT immunization in reality.

      • White_and_Nerdy

        And if a person has integrity they would learn some basic immunology before posting complete BS like this…but it is a good examples as to exactly why the anti-vaccs are marginalized to yelling on the Net.

        W&N

  • planojoe

    This group must be a subsidiary of the “Flat Earth Society”. Belief does not equal scientific research. As someone else frequently remarks, it is very, very sad to see our fearless leaders giving in to this type of group.

    • shygirl75158

      Funny, because from our perspective, we are pretty outraged that they gave into corporate terrorism in 1986 and gave into to vaccine maker (corporate terrorists) demands for NO LIABILITY and put all our children at grave risk. You say “TO-Mah-toe” and I say “Toe-May-Toe.” It’s all about perspective, I suppose. We didn’t need 77 jabs into our children in the 60’s and 70’s and kids were mcuh healthier then. We DO NOT need all these vaccines now, and they certainly should never be forced on anyone’s child.

      • Brian

        Do you EVER tell the truth? Pretty much everything you say is a lie. Want me to elaborate?

      • White_and_Nerdy

        Nothing funny here.

        All it takes is basic reading skills….and the integrity to read the law…to see that all US families can sue vaccine makers for alleged injuries.

        Here is the recent SCOTUS ruling, where the court took care to point out that everyone can sue vaccine makers:
        https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf

        Here is a helpful recent US Civil court case where the vaccines cause autism fraud is exposed:
        http://mdcourts.gov/opinions/coa/2009/112a08.pdf

        Naturally none of the anti-vaccs are honest….
        W&N

  • V Michelle Thomas

    In 2015, after I saw what occurred in California, I made sure that the politicians in the Lone Star State had all of the information posted in this thread. I sent information via email directly to Governor Gregg Abbott’s Office, Rep. Jason Villaba, Senator Donna Campbell and a number of other key politicians in this state sponsoring these bills to remove Personal Exemptions. I provided them with the vaccine schedule, vaccine ingredient list, Dr. William Thompson’s information along with his lawyer’s information, copies of awards conceded by HHS from the National Vaccine Injury Fund including verdicts signed by a judge. Mobilization efforts were key to defeating their propositions in TEXAS!

    In August of 2014, Dr. William Thompson of the CDC came out unwillingly after being recorded by Dr. Brian Hooker and admitted by statement released through his attorney that the CDC covered up SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that the MMR vaccine was associated with an increased risk of AUTISM in children who received the MMR on time and according to THE SCHEDULE!!!

    Based on a study 2004 Autism – Vaccine Study it showed a 240% increase in Autism of African-American males who received it on time. YES, it is true!! THE MEDIA blacked that out and attempted to downplay or minimally cover this story. Now this is the same vaccine mind you that everyone is telling you to take and update in an effort to avoid getting the measles. (#CDC WHISTLEBLOWER) Viruses mutate, but the vaccine stays the same and is alleged to be effective?!?! People believe that vaccines are a panacea for these diseases. They are NOT! Man vainly tries to beat nature and will lose most times. Mutations are a part of life and I will not expose myself to any of the chemicals including MERCURY and LIVE VIRUSES that man has yet to do a PROPER SAFETY study on with results that are not watered down and tampered with. THIS IS SCIENTIFIC FRAUD. Keep trying to discredit Dr. Andrew Wakefield who DID NOT SAY THAT VACCINES CAUSED AUTISM. HE ONLY STATED THAT IT WARRANTED FURTHER INVESTIGATION. For this, he lost his license. I have met him in person and most cannot say this. I find that he is a TRUTH-TELLER with no other interest than the health of our children. If you think Dr. Wakefield perpetrated scientific fraud by that study, then you will be mind-blown when you realize you have been deceived by the CDC!

    For the pharmaceutical companies he had to be expended to keep their LIE ALIVE! Meanwhile Big Pharma is rolling money all the way to the bank with the Illusion of Protection. #VAXXED #DontTrustWhatYouCannotVerify #ScientificFraud #DrWilliamThompson

    • Brian

      Lots of false information in this post. If anyone wants examples, feel free to ask.

      • shygirl75158

        The problem is that the whole mess has been a game of semantics. This is NOT “just autism.” These children were healthy, developing normally, and then after vaccines they either immediately or in the days following had their health and neurological functioning severely decline, causing lifelong medical, neurological, metabolic, and immunological problems that will last a LIFETIME.

        A rose by any other name may smell as sweet, and pile of BS still stinks. When they say vaccine injury is “rare,” Perhaps they wish to make you think that SACRIFICING 1% of the pediatric population is “okay.” Sacrificing even ONE child to a man made intervention is CHILD SACRIFICE and it is barbaric and inherently evil. 1% of the pediatric population per year is AT LEAST 36,000+ CHILDREN. Those who are fine with that are MONSTERS.

        Where there is any risk, there must remain CHOICE, and while some here say we are “conspiracy theorists,” when all we are are parents who once bought the BS and paid a tragic price, usually those who show up on these boards who are for: child sacrifice with the EXCUSE of “It’s for the greater good,” for inflicting lifelong injury and disability on thousands of children per year (so long as it is not one of THEIR children) are quite often vaccine industry shills who are paid to arrive on these boards and use the “Saul Alinsky” method to ridicule. They are paid to try to sway the public. That is why they CONSTANTLY use terms like “crazies,” “tin foil hat wearers,” “conspiracy theorists,” and the all time favorite “suffering from the ‘Dunning-Kruger” phenomenon.” They’ve attempted to use these same (Yawn) tired old epithets for DECADES. It’s already too late for my child. the damage was done. I speak out to make YOU think about your children who have not yet been injured, and you need to hear both sides so you can then do your own research and make a truly informed decision. You cannot trust the media (BOUGHT).. You cannot trust pediatricians (bought, educated by, and paid for by MERCK), and you certainly cannot trust the CDC nor FDA. Nor can you trust the NIH. The NIH KNEW that the polio vaccine given in the sixties was contaminated with SV-40 virus, but they allowed thousands and thousands of children to be infected with it via that vaccine.

        They figure, parents, that if they can make you think we are “crazy” then you will willingly line your children up to be thrown into the fire. It’s 77 jabs now from birth to age eighteen. 49 of those they will inject into your child before they start to public school. At least 20 will be injected into your chldren before they are fifteen months old. You see, they bear NO liability, and the Vaccine Injury Compensation program is a joke! It’s a win-win for them and a total lose-lose for you. It’s a whole different kind of “court” where due process is DENIED. Most often parents don’t even get to be there to see if they actually LOOK at the evidence. Parents don’t get to testify and there is NO JURY of your peers. They labeled this IATROGENIC disease “autism” because as bad as it is, it is still THE MOST BENIGN part of the disease, and with that term they can try to convince YOU, the parents that “it just happens;” “It’s genetic:” “It’s NORMAL” so that when YOUR child becomes affected after vaccines you will try to accept it as a normal evolutionary process. Only when your child starts screaming for 4 hours a day, falling over from grand mal seizures, having several episodes of tremors with nytagmus every day, and can no longer communicate his wants or needs, you may be inclined to realize we, parents who are already living it, were RIGHT. Only then, for YOUR child, it will be TOO LATE. Once you give a vaccine you can NEVER take it back.

        Then the real “fun” and “normalcy” begins. Your child will be chronically sick, need constant supervision, require a LOT of therapies, and probably need diapers for the rest of his or her life. There are natural interventions that can help them, but it will require one parent giving up their job to care for the child (BOOM! income cut in half!),and the job caring for your vaccine injured child will be FULL-TIME, 24/7. You will spend the rest of your life trying to make the QUALITY of life for your child better, only that quality of life will NEVER be equal to the quality of life they had before the vaccines injured them. Pencil in visits to the ER, doctor visits, therapy visits, and probably home schooling if you actually want your child to learn something. TEXAS ranks FORTY-NINTH overall for educating special needs students and FIFTIETH in the nation for educating a child with vaccine injury who is labeled as having “autism.” That will be your second full time job where you will have to fight tooth and nail for appropriate educational and therapeutic services for your child in Texas.

        Get your child on the state interest lists as quickly as you can after vaccine injury. It takes at least TEN YEARS for your child to get to the top of the list, and in the meantime, all services will be your responsibility. Hopefully you have the best insurance but you will have to fight the insurance companies too. And even after your child gets on a program, keep good records as you will have to fight the state each year to keep your child in a program. Of course, by the time the ten years goes by and they get to the top of a state program, you will already be broke from all the medical, neurological, metabolic, and immunological problems your child has now had for TEN YEARS.

        It costs an estimated 3.2 million dollars OOP to care for ONE of these children from the point of injury to age eighteen. Start saving now. But you can REST ASSURED that if you vaccinate, your child will be protected FROM EVERYTHING (that’s the myth they try to sell – that their vaccines are more powerful than God Himself) – even if the truth is that they LIED about the measles portion causing neurological and intestinal injury, even when MERCK lied about the efficacy of the mumps portion of the vaccine, even when the NIH and CDC officials admitted to a congressional committee that they NEVER BOTHERED to do any synergistic toxicological safety studies.

        Go ahead, listen to the vaccine shills so you can join the rest of us who once trusted our doctors and the vaccine makers. Then they will call you “crazy” too, and your vaccine injured child will become another one that does not matter to any of them: not the doctors, not to our government, and certainly not to the vaccine industry unless the parent is stupid enough to let them hurt their child again that way.

        Does the thought of people beating a baby seal in the head to obtain a fur coat appall you? The vaccine makers are destroying the lives of at least 36,000 children a year in the US alone so that Merck alone can boast a profit of 1.4 BILLION for their MMR and chicken pox vaccines. They FEED voraciously off the fear they incite in you. Learn to STARVE THEM.

        Write your representatives and demand that the 1986 Childhood Vaccine Injury Act be repealed so that they are held accountable to their victims before juries. Maybe then they will have incentive to create a safe and effective vaccine program. It’s funny how if you make a truly safe and effective product, people will want to buy it, but they are going state to state to FORCE their faulty and toxic products on to your children. They are laughing as they count your money. It is a “win-win” for them. they get their money, your child gets injured for life, and they don’t care. they are too busy counting their profits and figuring out how they can get even MORE vaccines forced into your children. The number of required vaccines will NEVER stop until you hold them accountable.

        Watch the documentary “VAXXED.” Make up OUR OWN MIND about the film. You can now stream “VAXXED” on Netflix and watch it in the comfort of your own home.

        If Texas paretns want to keep their parental rights and the right of vaccine choice, They will have to fight for it. Remember, if they win, all your young boys and girls we be lined up to get all those vaccines, including the HPV vaccines which have already harmed and killed so many. You won’t have a CHOICE.

        • Brian

          Lots of false information in this post.

        • White_and_Nerdy

          Actually there are two problems.

          1. The anti-vacc fraud that requires lying to parents.

          2. People that simply can’t follow middle-school science….see basically every sentence posted here that criticizes vaccines.

          W&N

          • shygirl75158

            I wonder if you guys get paid per lie or paid per snarky comment. Probably get paid higher for ridicule. I have much farther than middle school science. In middle school we were taught that we shouldn’t put poison into our bodies. Evidently you were out sick that day.

          • Michael McCarthy

            if it took until middle school for someone to tell you not to put poison in your body, that explains a whole lot. Also, high school isn’t “much farther than middle school”.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Another helpful posting!

            There are no poisons in vaccines.

            This fails middle-school science and is predicated on a complete failure to think clearly.

            Rant all you want, you are simple unable to post a coherent though.

            W&N

          • You claimed to be “highly educated” in the sciences, but your posts indicate anything but. Sorry.

          • Your claim, your burden of proof.

            First principle of poison: The only thing that distinguishes a remedy from a poison is the dose.

        • JoeFarmer

          Manic much?

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          Which is larder? 1 in a million or 1 in a thousand? You seem to believe that 1 in a thousand is smaller than 1 in a million. The evidence for wild measles is death or permanent injury about 1 in 250 cases. Roughly 25% of wild measles cases result in hospitalization.

          Vaccination against wild measles has a less than 1 in a million chance of a serious adverse event. The vaccine prevents morbidity and all cause mortality.

    • shygirl75158

      Bravo! good work! Thank you!

      • Brian

        Infectious diseases love you and thank you for your advocacy.

        • shygirl75158

          I stopped taking vaccines a very long time ago. The last to i took made me deathly ill. Since I stopped and recovered form the last vaccine sickness, I haven’t been sick with anything in over twelve years. If it’s not broke don’t fix it. I’ll just keep doing all the natural things I’m doing. Brain, you really should prove to the paretns here how you took those 77 jabs as a child plus the twenty five they think adults should have. If you really believe in them, you will prove you have. If you don’t, then you are just a paid troll.

          • Idiot. If vaccines did in fact make you ill, and that’s a huge “if,” then you should not get vaccinated. In that case, you depend on people like us to protect you with our immunity, and should be very strongly pro-vax. Cuz guess what, when an outbreak happens, you’re going to be the first to go down. And the funniest part is that it will be of your own doing for talking down vaccines.

          • I’m sorry – I don’t understand how hypocrisy makes one a paid troll.

    • White_and_Nerdy

      No, media have not black out the Vaxxed story, they have detailed how the movie is a complete fraud. Please see above for some examples…

      Your comments are simply wrong and don’t stand up to any good faith effort at fact-checking.

      The only question is do you care about the truth.

      W&N

      • V Michelle Thomas

        “W&N Troll”- Please halt your public relations campaign on behalf of BIG PHARMA! I did not say VAXXED had been blocked out by the media. CNN covered its removal from the Tribeca Film Festival and other outlets covered it thoroughly. The fraud I am referring to was brought to you by way of the CDC. Ask Dr. William W. Thompson, Senior Scientist of the CDC. The fraudulent study I am referring to was published in 2004 and titled Age at First Measles-Mumps-Rubella Vaccination in Children with Autism and School-Matched Control Subjects: A Population-Based Study in Metropolitan Atlanta. It was authored by Frank DeStafano, Tanya Karapurkar Bhasin, William W. Thompson, Marshalyn Yeargin-Allsopp, Coleen Boyle. This study served as the basis for most studies thereafter. The research protocol was not followed and it showed a statistically significant relationship between vaccines and Autism for those children receiving the vaccine according to schedule. The authors decided to host a meeting and destroy their findings. They know the MMR is associated and so do most of those parents who trusted the recommendations of their physicians. I’m from the Lone Star State and I stand with Nicholas “Nico” Lahood – and like-minded others. Vaccines can and do cause Autism. ie. When you get a moment research Hannah Poling, Dr. Andrew Zimmerman- HHS’s top Neurologist, Attorney Rolf Hazlehurst. They can all bear witness to the same. Let me know when you are ready for Round 2 because you just got “knocked out” so to speak. 🙂

        • White_and_Nerdy

          Interesting…..I made a detailed posting above about Vaxxed….and yet you responded to me here….and all you offer is arguments by assertion…

          Anyway, if you bother to read the links….like the one to Dr. Thompson’s documents to will see the facts:
          1. The protocol was followed.
          2. Their findings were not destroyed
          Once again the anti-vaccs are caught lying!

          “ a statistically significant relationship between vaccines and Autism for those children receiving the vaccine according to schedule. “’

          Wow! This fails middle-school science. If you honestly can’t see through this, you should stop posting on science topics.

          About the court rulings…here is Mrs. Poling complaining about the anti-vaccs lying about their case…note she explains in detail that there was NO ruling that vaccines cause her daughter’s autism:
          http://www.ageofautism.com/2013/11/rolf-hazlehurst-on-vicp-at-congressional-briefing.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e2019b00f6331e970c#comment-6a00d8357f3f2969e2019b00f6331e970c

          “The term “encephalopathy” has multiple causes as does “features of autism” or “autism.” The use of the term, “regressive encephalopathy with features of autistic spectrum disorder” does not state an etiology”

          Here is what the court has said:
          “The government has never compensated, nor has it ever been ordered to compensate, any case based on a determination that autism was actually caused by vaccines.”
          https://childhealthsafety.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/attkisson-cbs-hrsa-email-exchanges-autistic-conditions-vaccines.pdf

          Got anything that isn’t fraudulent to offer?

          W&N

          • V Michelle Thomas

            “Troll W/N” – I have worked alongside lawyers for the past 26 years in a Personal Injury firm and can see clearly what you would like people, who may not know better, to believe. The difference here is conceptual semantics.

            Yes awards/payouts are received and yet the government NEVER admits, seeks or finds a causal relationship between vaccines and AUTISM. They never attempt to establish a connection between the two even though they continue to payout claims. How convenient and profitable!!

            With respect to the Hannah Poling case, she was not AWARDED for nothing. It is JUST as I stated in the preceding paragraph – PAYOUT BUT NO ADMISSION or ESTABLISHMENT OF A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN TWO THINGS. So if vaccines are safe and effective, WHY have they paid over 3.4 billion dollars?

            An encephalopathy is an adverse event post-inoculation that serves as a bridge in some cases to an AUTISM diagnoses which ultimately an AWARD may be paid if claimed and approved by negotiations.

            According to Assistant Attorney General Rolf Hazlehurst, whose son was diagnosed with AUTISM and won an award on appeal of his son’s case against HHS, he stated that Dr. Andrew Zimmerman’s opinion is used by HHS quite frequently to DENY most claims, but he is the same NEUROLOGIST that wrote a report in the POLING case that resulted in her award. One opinion Dr. Zimmerman wrote stated that vaccines CAN and do cause Autism; he further explained how and why in relation to the Poling case and the other opinion was that they don’t.

            Yes, they claimed Hannah Poling had a “mitochondrial defect.” However, no one established that she did or did not have one before they injected her with five vaccines at once. Dr. Andrew Zimmerman provided two conflicting opinions with regard to vaccines and AUTISM. So it is surely understandable why people may be confused. Perhaps it is a case by case basis, but on any basis – this is a problem.

            For the record, I don’t need your links; I have my own. The last time that I checked the HHS is part of the government. A payout for a claim may not require an admission, but it is a concession for whatever you want to call it. Frame it any way you want and stick it on your wall, but I still get the picture. {DING-DING}

            http://yournewswire.com/30-solid-scientific-studies-that-prove-vaccines-cause-autism/

            http://www.ageofautism.com/2013/11/rolf-hazlehurst-on-vicp-at-congressional-briefing.html

            http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/flu-shot-causes-polio-like-guillain-barre-syndrome-are-rates-higher-than-the-government-admits/

            http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/statisticsreport.pdf

          • So, you’re a personal injury lawyer. What exactly are your scientific credentials, you know, the ones you’d be using to critically evaluate this years-old story?

          • V Michelle Thomas

            I have the common sense that God gave me and I don’t check it at the door of a physician’s office. As far as studies, I will kindly use theirs.

            http://yournewswire.com/30-solid-scientific-studies-that-prove-vaccines-cause-autism/

          • Apparently not. This site is a haven for conspiracy theorists, 9/11 truthers, alien hunters, and glyphosate-laden tampon exposes! Try this instead:

            http://justthevax.blogspot.com/2014/03/75-studies-that-show-no-link-between.html

          • I don’t depend on any gods for my common sense, and I don’t get my studies from moon landing denier conspiracy websites! *snort*

            Omfg, just look at the top headlines on this page! Russia discovers aliens! 9/11 pilot reveals the truth! NASA says western civilization about to collapse! “Experts” say US elections will almost certainly be hacked! Glyphosate found in vaccines!

            For the love of Thor, you can do better than this!

          • I wonder where he got to….

          • White_and_Nerdy

            “I have the common sense that God gave me…”

            Apparently not…reference #1

            “Hepatitis B Vaccination of Male Neonates and Autism
            Annals of Epidemiology, September 2009
            CM Gallagher, MS Goodman, Stony Brook University Medical Center”

            That is not even a “study”.

            It is an abstract from a poster session done by students. And when the epidemiological “study” was finished no epidemiological journal would publish it because of basic statistical errors….like incorrect controls.

            Bonus: Scientists have for years explained how the anti-vaccs deceive people with this BS….you just have to care enough to check.

            Anyway, your link doesn’t stand up to any good faith effort at fact-check, it truly counts on
            readers to be fools.

            W&N

          • V Michelle Thomas
          • Lol, really? You didn’t answer my question, but instead posted a link from a crank congressman! This is very old news, my misguided friend. Plus, what does Posey know about vaccines, or science, in general? Not much, I’d guess. I *strongly* recommend you read these links and choose better sources for your information, Counselor. The links are old, but so is this story.

            https://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2016/01/04/the-william-thompson-documents-theres-no-whistle-to-blow/
            https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaccine-use-the-law-when-science-fails-you/
            https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/did-a-high-ranking-whistleblower-really-reveal-that-the-cdc-covered-up-proof-that-vaccines-cause-autism-in-african-american-boys/

          • V Michelle Thomas

            What matters is that I don’t care about your perception of truth or how you attempt to transform my thinking. Save that for someone else. Dr. William Thompson is the issue, not Bill Posey.

          • Then why did you post Posey’s rant as if it was some bogus appeal to authority? Mine is about facts, not perception. Science doesn’t care what your “opinion” is.

          • “I don’t care about…how you attempt to transform my thinking.”

            And therein lies the root of the problem with you people: you are committed to your misinformed ideologies, and immune to facts. Waste of my time.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            What does matter is that you have been given opportunity to see the facts and yet your refuse to read the words….
            W&N

          • V Michelle Thomas

            Your troll campaign is about to come to a screeching halt! I don’t give two damns and a rats a$$ about what any of you trolls think!

          • White_and_Nerdy

            What one thinks isn’t the issue. The issue is what are the facts? Right, you refuse to look….
            W&N

          • V Michelle Thomas

            “Facts” established by falsities and marketing ploys are not Facts!

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Your confusion is remarkable…seemingly willful.
            Your assertion: the protocol wasn’t followed.
            I provided the protocol. Your assertion is a lie.
            You refuse to read the protocol and see the lie.
            Willful ignorance…..
            W&N

          • Hahahahaha, this is comedy gold. Thanks! You sound like one of those crazies standing on the corner every day with a sign screaming that life on earth is going to end today!
            Here’s a clue: listen more, talk less, and choose your sources of information MUCH more carefully.

          • V Michelle Thomas

            I don’t accept instructions from the likes of a troll! Call me what you want – just spell my name right! Vaxxed is the TRUTH!! And quite frankly it took a bow!

          • Vaxxed is a crapumentary about an old debunked story, written by a disgraced fraud who lost his license to practice medicine due to ethics violations and lies. Yet, this is the guy you choose to get your information from? I fear for the future of the human race if idiots like you are allowed to breed and vote.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            How sad that you don’t care enough to read the actual documents and see the facts for your self….
            W&N

          • V Michelle Thomas

            Wahhhhh wahhhhh wahhhh – it is all the same thing no need to be brainwashed. They tell you what did not cause something, but are not wise enough to scientifically tell you what does. All of you trolls can keep up your smear campaigns because that is about all this is. Hopefully Texas Monthly will shut down the thread! #NicoLahood

          • White_and_Nerdy

            It is all the same thing. I provide the proof that Vaxxed is a fraud and your refuse to read the words.
            I suppose you refuse because at this point you have to know with absolute certainly that Vaxxed a fraud….you just don’t care. Which is why you choose to ignore the facts.
            W&N

          • V Michelle Thomas

            Don’t superconcern yourself with my credentials! If you have all the answers Troll- then tell me what causes Autism. (Crickets)

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Since you asked so nicely…..

            1. Autism is a multifactorial developmental delay that starts in Utero during the first
            trimester. Critical comments include signaling molecules that impact neural development and pruning, and DNA regulatory
            systems.

            2. The anti-vaccs are the biggest medical fraud of our times and they prey upon folks
            unable or unwilling to use Google.

            Hard to believe that any parent would so fail their children….but here you are.

            Anyway, vaccines are known to prevent some cases of autism….see if you can figure this out…only ~45 years of data…..

            W&N

          • Wow, you really don’t get how this whole science thing works, do you? Just because you don’t understand someone, or because an answer is not known to a question doesn’t mean you get to scream “VACCINES DID IT!” This isn’t religion. I already supplied you with a good starting point to read about the known genetic components of autism. If you choose to ignore it, you do so at your own peril. But please stop spreading ignorant and dangerous MISinformation.

          • V Michelle Thomas

            Yawn!

          • And I’m not “superconcerned” about your credentials. You’re the one who brought them up as if they gave your fact-free posts some sort of added credibility. And when asking someone to listen to a statement you’ve made regarding science, your credentials are only relevant if they actually involve the life sciences.

          • Brian

            Citing nonsense conspiracy blogs does not make you sound very smart.

            Those websites also claim that the moon landings were faked, the Sandy Hook massacre was staged, 9/11 was an inside job, and that homeopathy cures disease.

            The last link you give shows that vaccines are very safe, where the chance of injury is less than one-in-a-million, making vaccination safer than many mundane things we do every day.

          • Hahaha! And *this* is why paralegals shouldn’t try to science!

            yournewswire? LMFAO!
            ageoflyingaboutautism? LMFAO!!
            healthimpactnews? LMFAO!!!

            Your last reference does nothing to support your point. The others are sites known to be filled with pseudoscience, conspiracy theories, and outright bullshlt. Very impressive!

          • White_and_Nerdy

            So the topic was the claims about Dr. Thompson.

            I posted Dr. Thompson’s actual documents….which demonstrate how the anti-vaccs blatantly lie about the facts.

            You refuse to read Dr. Thompson’s documents, but instead refer to what anti-vaccs assert the documents say.

            This is a really, really simple idea: if you honestly want the facts as demonstrated by Dr. Thompson’s documents one should read Dr. Thompson’s documents….but you refuse to.

            The rest of your posting is just similar nonsense…one bit was of particular interest.

            “According to Assistant Attorney General Rolf Hazlehurst, whose son was diagnosed with AUTISM and won an award on appeal of his son’s case against HHS,”

            Actually his appeal was dismissed!

            http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/opinions/CAMPBELLSMITH.HAZLEHURST071210.pdf

            “Subsequently, on September 21, 2009, petitioners filed an appeal with the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit. On May 13, 2010, the Court of Appeals issued a decision affirming the dismissal of petitioners’ claim.”

            How can you honestly believe the BS that you keep posting???????

            W&N

          • V Michelle Thomas

            Actually the science you rely upon to prove your points is brought and paid for by Big Pharma! I trust not troll.

          • White_and_Nerdy

            Hey, Vaxxed is your source.
            I provided the proof that you have been lied to and you refuse to read the words.
            W&N

          • V Michelle Thomas

            Yes! Not swayed by your “sources.”

          • White_and_Nerdy

            You are just made because I posted YOUR sources….all you had to do was to read the words to see how they lied to you….
            W&N

    • “DontTrustWhatYouCannotVerify?” Gee, strikes me as odd that you have apparently done nothing to verify the contents of a crapumentary written by a disgraced fraud. Interesting.

      • V Michelle Thomas

        To the contrary- I have read it- see link below and I don’t rely on the media to frame my opinions for me as you do SHEEPY!

        Most people have never seen nor read Dr. Andrew Wakefield’s original study Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children published in the Lancet February 28, 1998 and rely on the Media for interpretation and conclusion. I DID NOT! I downloaded an original, read it and concluded otherwise. He was a gastroenterologist who was treating children who had been diagnosed with Autism prior to seeking his professional opinion. Colitis was the overriding medical condition for which the parents sought evaluation and possible treatment from Dr. Andrew Wakefield. Autism was not an issue from inception. THE PARENTS emphasized and reported the pivotal turning point as far as development of colitis. According to the parents, this condition developed, quite notably, post-inoculation with the MMR and Dr. Wakefield duly noted this in their records. A J Wakefield, S H Murch, A Anthony, J Linnell, D M Casson, M Malik, M Berelowitz, A P Dhillon, M A Thomson, P Harvey, A Valentine, S E Davies, J A Walker-Smith were authors of the “infamously cited study.” It should be noted that there were several authors, but Dr. Andrew Wakefield and John A Walker-Smith were isolated and the GMC pursued their licenses and won. However, in 2012, John A Walker-Smith WON ON APPEAL some 14 years after the fact. Justice Mitting ruled that the verdict and the decision to strike off John A. Walker-Smith could not stand. “The judge criticized the disciplinary counsel’s inadequate and superficial reasoning and in a number of instances, a wrong conclusion.”

        http://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(97)11096-0.pdf

        • Brian

          How does Walker-Smith convincing the panel that Wakefield lied to him make Wakefield any more credible?

          As for the parents in Wakefield’s fraudulent paper…
          “if my son really is Patient 11, then the Lancet article is simply an outright fabrication” – parent of patient 11

          • V Michelle Thomas

            Brian address me with specific citations within the context of the article provided. Your basis for mischaracterization of what has been stated reflects that you either read but did not understand the context at all. John A Walker Smith winning does not comment on A.J. Wakefield in any way. The findings of the judge quoted speak to the veracity of the evidence provided in the proceeding. J Walker Smith – WON! However on the basis of the ruling, it is plausible that WAKEFIELD was improperly expended and judged like John A Walker-Smith. “The judge criticized the disciplinary counsel’s inadequate and superficial reasoning and in a number of instances, a wrong conclusion.”

            http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/mmr-doctor-john-walker-smith-wins-high-court-appeal-7543114.html

            Being that I have met Dr. Wakefield in person, I am not inclined to be swayed by biased media coverage and summations of his study. I am sure the parents of those who he was treating before his license was revoked would agree.

          • joe

            So meeting Wakefield in person makes him legit?

          • V Michelle Thomas

            No! But as I said before, I believe in his article and the conclusions irrespective of the media accounts and other scientists who cannot speak to the CAUSE of AUTISM – perhaps because the CAUSE is NOT PROFITABLE. The VACCINE-LINK was a GOOD START!

          • Brian

            The unvaccinated develop autism at the same rate as the vaccinated, so it’s obvious that vaccines don’t cause it and that Wakefield is lying when he says they do.

          • NoToGMOs

            Citation for your claim??

          • Brian

            I already posted several for you before. Did you forget?

          • NoToGMOs

            You seem confused. You haven’t posted anything for me. This is the first time you’re even replying to me on this thread.

          • Brian

            This isn’t the first thread you’ve asked me (or the second, or the third). If you refuse to learn…

            I have posted elsewhere on this very thread, so maybe that will jog your memory.

          • Ahhh, more conspiracy trash with no scientific or evidence-based support. Very powerful argument. What I read in your post was “we don’t know the cause of autism, therefore, vaccines!” Makes a lot of sense. By the way, I wonder if pharmaceutical companies would profit more from individual vaccines or from outbreaks of preventable diseases? Hmmmm, real head scratcher.

            By the way, the genetic basis for autism is being characterized more clearly as we speak. Perhaps you should venture into those papers, and leave the retracted trash where it belongs. Unless you think the British Medical Council is in on your conspiracy too!

            This would be a good place to start, since you’ve ignored all my other educational links:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_autism

          • White_and_Nerdy

            “because the CAUSE is NOT PROFITABLE”
            You should really try thinking a tiny bit before posting things like this….
            W&N

          • Oh, you met a quack and got duped by the snake oil salesman, and that makes him credible? I wonder how that reasoning would hold up in court? *laugh*

          • V Michelle Thomas

            Not duped – most of you mofos have never met him and only go by accounts paid for by Pharmas smear campaign over the years!

          • See, that’s where you’re wrong. No, I have never met him, but meeting him is IRRELEVANT! His research was found to be fraudulent. His practices were found to be dishonest! His invasive and unnecessary procedures performed on children were found to be unethical! And finally, the real kicker:

            His studies have never been successfully replicated by any other scientists!

            oh wait, there’s more!

            No link has ever been identified connecting MMR to autism. NONE!

            But no, you met him, so you know better than the rest of the scientific community and all the docs and nurses who are somehow all owned and paid for by BIGSCARYMEANNASTY Pharma. Sounds legit.

          • AutismDadd

            Did Wakefield HIMSELF perform ALL procedures? And when did his 12 child intervention become proof ALL vaccines are safe and effective?

          • White_and_Nerdy

            “Being that I have met Dr. Wakefield in person,…”

            Oh dear: Conman, short for Confidence Man…

            Anyway, anyone that reads the two cases will see the absurdity of the claim that Walker-Smith ruling makes it plausible that Wakefield’s decision was improper.

            http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2012/503.html

            http://www.nhs.uk/news/2010/01January/Documents/FACTS%20WWSM%20280110%20final%20complete%20corrected.pdf

            Guess that is why you didn’t post the rulings…..

            W&N

          • Reality022

            V Michelle Thomas confessed, “I have met Dr. Wakefield in person…”

            How much did it cost you?
            Have to buy a book? A dinner? A ticket to his talk?
            Or does he just charge $5 per photo like the cosplay street actors in Times Square?

          • V Michelle Thomas

            Why? I was invited by a colleague who happens to be a vaccine injury lawyer. I find him to be a kind spirited medical intellectual with a long history of family physicians. It was at his home in Austin, Texas with several other people including Del Bigtree. By your question, you are concerned about costs to meet him when the Payout for vaccine injury is a whopping 3.4 billion and likely should have been more. My only point is most of the people in this country have formed an opinion solely based on media accounts, when they should have been focused on the children and what the MMR and other vaccines are costing the system. That cost is exponentially astonomical.

          • Reality022

            I’ll just note you avoided the question and your answer implied that it did, indeed, cost you something to meet the fraudulent quack and his deranged lackey.

            “At his home in Austin, Texas” huh? Did you get to ask him what he does for a living that allows him to own a $2 million dollar home in Austin, Tx. and to constantly flit around the country?
            Snatching poor deluded autism mommies’ purses must be more lucrative than I’d thought.

            As far as I can see he could be deported as a resident alien with no visible means of support and no way to show an income to match his lifestyle. I may report him as a potential drug dealer as his lifestyle seems to match that occupation. I mean, it’s not like he developed a rotavirus vaccine or anything of that import.

          • V Michelle Thomas

            His financial affairs are of none of my concern and really should be none of yours. You are surely super-concerned about his wealth when you should be concerned about the children that are being maimed by bogus studies bought and paid for to you by pharmaceutical companies that mount to SCIENCE FICTION.

            The vaccine connection provides a plausible theory for the epidemic that this country is experiencing as it pertains to AUTISM. If I am ever asked to donate to AJ Wakefield and their cause, I WILL without reservation. I like to see people making money – it is capitalistic. Just ask the pharmaceutical companies who are the bonafide drug dealers in this country. THE AJWAKEFIELD HATERS have not been able to fade him and he is still financially thriving. On that front, THEY LOST! Go #VAXXED

          • Reality022

            I blame the increase in the autism rate in the USA since 2001 on the arrival of Andrew Wakefield taking up residency here. It’s all epigenetics!!!

            The Epigenetic Wakefield Effect (EWE) “provides a plausible theory for the epidemic that this country has experienced since 2001 as it pertains to AUTIZMZ”!!!!111!!!!

            Do your research!!!11!!!!!

          • V Michelle Thomas

            Can’t find what does not truly exist! They like it that way. Love AJ WAKEFIELD and so do countless others.

          • Reality022

            BTW – Wakefraud getting donations from ignorant and deluded marks is not “capitalism”, it is called “a successful con.”

            Capitalism is taking red dirt and smelting it and then converting it and then casting it into billets of steel.
            Dirt becomes steel. Value is added. Capital is created out of thin air. The pie constantly grows – it is not a zero-sum game.

            What you describe – a contribution, if it wasn’t the con that it is, is called charity.

          • Sonja Henie

            His financial affairs are none of your concern, mmkay? What do you think of Offit’s?

        • lol. You are not qualified to critique primary literature papers – even retracted trash science, Sorry if that bothers you, but this is why science should be left to the scientists, This isn’t traffic court, and your JD carries very little weight here.

          Walker-Smith won on appeal because he convinced the judge Wakefraud lied to him too. This in no way exonerates Mr. Wakefield.

          Again, this is all very old news to those of us who actually work in this field, Counselor.

        • White_and_Nerdy

          1. “He was a gastroenterologist who was treating children who had been diagnosed with Autism prior to seeking his professional opinion.’

          Wrong again. Wakefield was explicitly prohibited from treating patients. Funny how the
          anti-vaccs forget this fact.

          “Your {Wakefield’s} Honorary
          Consultant appointment was subject to a stipulation that you would not have any
          involvement in the clinical management of patients; Found proved The Panel has
          accepted the wording of the job description and the letter of employment
          (contract) sent to you, which show clearly that you would not be involved in a
          clinical management role with patients.”

          http://www.nhs.uk/news/2010/01January/Documents/FACTS%20WWSM%20280110%20final%20complete%20corrected.pdf

          Actually some parents have been very clear: Wakefield lied about their children’s medical
          records to create the appearance that condition developed notably post-inoculation.

          http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c5347

          Good news: all the Lancet children’s medical records were presented in the GMC hearings and anyone that reads the words will see how Wakefield systematically lied about the medical histories.

          3. It should be noted that you don’t seem to have understood at all Walker-Smith’s GMC appeal or noticed that it ridicules your position:

          http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2012/503.html

          Have you got anything rational to contribute?????

          W&N

  • Wurty

    I hope I am dead before measles, smallpox and tuberculosis, once again ravishes our country. In the meantime, LaHood needs to learn whether it was his genes or his wife genes that messed up his children.

  • don76550

    Let them opt out – but also prohibit their children from attending public schools.. Your idiotic and discounted beliefs should not be allowed to endanger my children.

    • forvaccinesafety

      Neither Great Britain nor Canada refuse a child a public education because of vaccination status.

      • don76550

        “Then feel free to move to those countries of your choice. We don’t need you here endangering our our children

        • forvaccinesafety

          This. is a country of tolerance and religious freedom, byebye don76550, have a safe trip to North Korea.

          • Funny thing about religious freedom. It doesn’t include the liberty to expose the child nor the community to communicable disease.

      • Grace, you know online K-12 schools exist. You know no-one anywhere denies anyone a public education (note: not the same as public schooling) based on vaccination status which you know isn’t a protected class.

        Your tantrums bemoaning the fact that your foolish choices now have consequences are getting rather tiresome now.

  • White_and_Nerdy

    Since the movie Vaxxed keeps being mentioned, here are the key facts:

    1. Here is the retraction of Hooker’s paper:
    http://translationalneurodegeneration.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2047-9158-3-22

    Note: the paper was retracted due to gross scientific and ethical misconduct.

    Note: that Hooker obtained the raw data by asking the CDC for it. It has always been available.

    Note: that statisticians have analyzed Hooker’s work and found it to be abject BS—Hooker doesn’t even understand basic jargon and concepts.

    https://epidemiological.net/2014/08/24/directed-acyclic-graphs-and-the-mmr-vaccine-doesnt-cause-autism/

    http://blog.minitab.com/blog/adventures-in-statistics/analysis-and-reanalysis3a-the-controversy-behind-mmr-vaccinations-and-autism2c-part-1

    http://www.stats.org/african-american-boys-and-autism/

    2. Here is Dr. Thompson’s statement and the Whistleblower site:
    http://morganverkamp.com/statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

    http://www.whistleblowers.gov/

    Note: Dr. Thompson is by definition not a whistleblower.

    Note: Dr. Thompson was 100% clear, he believes that vaccines are safe and effective and should be used by children of all races.

    3. Thompson’s documents have been posted on-line:
    https://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2016/01/04/the-william-thompson-documents-theres-no-whistle-to-blow/

    Note: they clearly show that the data was not dumped in a garbage can and that the protocol was followed. The anti-vaccs are just dishonest at every stage.

    Note: who posted the documents? Not Hooker, or Wakefield, or Age of Autism, or Adventures in Autism, or any of the anti-vacc sites. None of them have the integrity to post the documents so everyone can read what is really in them.

    4. Final note, after ~2 years of claiming fraud, the principles keep making money off of these claims, but none of them have filed suit. None of them are testifying under oath were perjury laws would apply. It is very clear why they refuse to testify under oath…

    Summary: Vaxxed is a dishonest marketing tool that doesn’t stand up to any good faith effort at fact-checking.

    W&N

    • ^^^this!
      Thanks for compiling a review of the origins for this steaming pile of rancid detritus.

      • V Michelle Thomas

        Whatever! You are obviously bothered.

    • PK

      “I regret that my co-authors and I omitted statistically-significant information in our 2004 article published in the Journal of Pediatrics.” Thompson
      “That’s the deal . . ., that’s what I keep seeing again and again and again . . . where these senior people [at CDC] just do completely unethical, vile things and no one holds them accountable.” Thompson
      “I basically have stopped lying.”
      “So I have to deal with a few months of hell if all this becomes public, um, no big deal. I’m not having to deal with a child who is suffering day in and day out.”
      “The CDC has put the research ten years behind. Because the CDC has not been transparent, we’ve missed ten years of research because the CDC is so paralyzed right now by anything related to autism.” William Thompson.
      Dr. Thompson also gives insight into media hype of outbreaks of measles in the U.S. and polio in third-world countries : “These drug companies and their promoters, they’re making such a big deal of these measles outbreaks. It’s like a never ending thing where the press loves to hype it and it scares people.”

    • PK

      Because getting a whistleblower attorney is a good idea just in case you may come across malfeasance at your job at the CDC.

  • ibid.

    “With officials like LaHood lending credibility to the anti-vaccination movement…”

    And then I laughed. Nico LaHood was busted trying to peddle $3000 worth of ecstasy pills to an undercover narcotics officer when he was 21. The only reason he got a reduced sentence and his record expunged is because Daddy is a judge. Props to the voters in San Antonio for making a common street drug trafficker their DA.

    However, I digress.

    Here’s the real punch line. We’re ‘sposed to believe proven liar Andy Wakefield because some jackass who oughta be in prison saw his movie and thinks it’s all that? Gimme a break.

    • Well, when you put it that way…

      😉

    • Crystal

      He doesn’t get an opinion on what happened to his children because he has a past? Asinine…

      • Rich M.

        Does his past include autism research? Anything beyond his own kids?

        No, he’s an imbecile who watched a movie.

        • Crystal

          His story is the same as countless others. His story mimicks what other parents stated in the movie.
          Funny how these parents don’t get an opinion on when they saw their kids change. I know when my son broke his arm, the doctor asked me how he fell, what his arm looked like when he fell, how he acted as soon as it happened, etc… Was the physician asking me this because he thought I was in orthopedics or could it be because I was there when it happened and witnessed everything. Vaccine injuries are the only injuries that us parents are too “ignorant” to comment on. It is BS.

          • Rich M.

            Not exactly countless. The number of parents of children with autism is about 1 in 68. Among those, the ones who also fall for Wakefield’s baloney or blame vaccine injury for their children’s condition is quite small.

            Just because you saw regression at 1 and a half or 2 years old doesn’t mean it was caused by. That’s just the way autism develops. Thus the *eyeroll* from pediatricians and people who’ve studied ASD.

            LaHood and the other denialists are welcome to their opinion. It doesn’t mean it has any weight.

          • Crystal

            And what do you say to the parents who saw it happen even before 18-24 months? The kids who were walking and talking and making eye contact until their “well visit”, who went home, developed an unusually high fever (104 or so), screamed for hours and then completely regressed? Do you (and I’m honestly asking here) really believe that Autism just happens overnight? That one day a kid just wakes up with all the signs of Autism after hitting every milestone up until that point? Do you understand that these parents are just stating what they have observed? Last time I checked, observation played a pretty large part your beloved science.
            The fact of the matter is that children are changing directly after receiving a rather large dose of vaccines. There is no denying this. Parents don’t sit around and dream up the exact same story. These are parents who at one point were FOR vaccines. There is no conspiracy. Just well-meaning individuals who don’t want what happened to their child, to happen to any other innocent children. They should be thanked instead of ridiculed.

          • Brian

            Yup, that very thing has been studied extensively. The unvaccinated develop autism at the same rate as the vaccinated, so it’s obvious vaccines aren’t the cause.

          • Crystal

            Yep. So obvious.(eyeroll) Look, ignore me. I am only a mother of two vaccine injured boys and two perfectly healthy non-vaccinated boys. I only work in the ER and see a ridiculous amount of children come in with a wide range of reactions directly after receiving their vaccinations. My opinion is absolutely worthless because, according to you, I need a background in “ASD studies” and/or I need to practice medicine. (There is a reason they call it practicing, by the way). Good luck with your vaccines. If you have children, I honestly wish them the best.

          • Brian

            You made a false claim. Nobody forced you to do that.
            Your number of children and personal anecdotes don’t change the facts.
            If you have evidence that contradicts decades of research involving millions of children, then I recommend submitting your findings to a high impact journal for peer-review.

          • Mike Stevens

            Crystal I sincerely doubt you work in ER and see a ridiculous amount of vaccine injured children. Can you quantify please?
            I work in an acute medical unit with pediatric colleagues – they have hardly ever seen a case of clear vaccine reaction come through the front doors.

          • Crystal

            You can doubt me all you want but it won’t change my experiences. Just as you seem to have a hard time believing me, I have a hard time believing you.
            I know what I’ve seen and what my kids have been through. My two oldest children have it documented in their medical record that they had a vaccine reaction, which is why I find it very difficult to believe that your “colleagues” have hardly seen a clear case of it. I will continue to tell my story to those who will listen. For everyone else who want to claim that I must be a liar, I’ve got nothing for you. No amount of information/proof will ever be good enough to those who refuse to hear the truth. Good luck to you.

          • ~ liz ~

            “No amount of information/proof will ever be good enough to those who refuse to hear the truth.”

            No argument there.

          • kfunk937

            Crystal, if your two eldest have it documented in there medical record that they had a [serious] vaccine reaction, presumably they would be medically exempt from that vaccine.

            Protecting children with medical exemptions is a very good reason to enthusiastically encourage others to vaccinate.

          • NoToGMOs

            Are you serious?? If your child gets injured by something, you would actually encourage other children to do/take the exact same thing so they “may” get injured too?? What kind of a person are you??

          • NoToGMOs

            Could you explain to all of us what a case of “clear vaccine reaction” would look like? What criteria would you use, in your acute medical unit, to make a determination that a vaccine reaction has come through your front door? And once you’ve made that determination, what would your next step/s be?

            Give us an example of when you’ve seen a clear vaccine reaction – since you said “hardly”, I assume you’ve seen at least one??

          • Mike Stevens
          • What vaccine injury did your children suffer and how did you factually establish it was caused by vaccines? I trust it is on some other basis than the Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc Fallacy.

          • Ron Roy

            Mitochondrial damage cause by adjuvants in vaccines:http://drsircus.com/medicine/vaccine-induced-mitochondrial-disease/

          • Reality022

            Got anything by “Dr. Sircus” that isn’t a posting on his blog? You know – like some research in an appropriate 1st tier scientific/medical journal?
            Didn’t think so.

            K00ks and crackpots don’t seem to be able to make the cut and get anything published in real journals which is why the internet has been a boon to their delusions of grandeur. They post their delusional codswallop on their personal website and write self-published books and pretend that they’ve been “published”.

            It doesn’t change anything. They are still k00ks.

          • Ron Roy

            No not kooks good honest people that have the balls to tell the truth and stand up to the MEDICAL MAFIA.

          • Reality022

            Got any vaccine research by Dr. Sircus?
            You know – research as done in university research labs? Not turning on your laptop and reading the latest conspiracy k00ksites. Not vomiting your random delusional thoughts on a webpage and calling it research.

            Got any actual vaccine research from Dr. Sircus?

            No? Gee, why am I not surprised.

          • So Ron Roy….how do YOU, Ron Roy, tell these four categories of people apart.

            -Corrupt (medical mafia) people who agree with you.
            -Corrupt (medical mafia) people who disagree with you.
            -Non-Corrupt (non-medical mafia) people who agree with you

            and….

            -Non-corrupt (non-medical-mafia) people who disagree with you.

            Hmmm?

          • Ron Roy

            Easy follow the money. Pharmaceutical companies have more lobbyists ( 1266 ) in Washington DC Than any other corporation and they spent 129 million dollars on our politicians to get their way. And that doesn’t include hospitals, nursing homes, the AMA etc.

          • That didn’t answer the question, Ron.

            Let me try again:

            Suppose you were trying to identify someone who:

            a)disagrees with you, Ron Roy.

            BUT

            b)is not corrupt.

            For example, have you read Gadad et al? What did you think of it?

          • So if an org that agreed with you had 1267 lobbyists, would you #followthemoney and ignore them?

          • Ron Roy

            So you admit your employers have to have big money and lobbyists in order to achieve total control over our disease care.

          • Damo

            With a name like Dr. Sircus, I am pretty sure that site is satire.

          • 9th grade chemistry failure.

            Next.

          • Ron Roy

            University chemistry education A+ grade. Thank You.

          • That means the source is *lying* then – that makes it look *worse*, not *better*.

          • Joe

            And yet you spelt my name with a little j instead of a capital J. University of Google perhaps?

          • Rachel Flanagan

            Vaccine #19 was administered at age 2, the baby screamed an unearthly sound for hours, and wouldn’t stop. When the screaming subsided she no longer made eye contact, or spoke for another 4 years. She was gone. Trouble swallowing, motor skills were damaged. Diagnoses encephalitis. 24 hour care 7 days a week 365 days a year for the rest of her life.

            Immunity for the pharmaceutical companies so they can pay people like you big bucks to mock people with vaccine damaged children in an effort to sway public opinion so more parents will be socially pressured to vaccine their child and they can make even larger profits. LOL, quite a racket you lot have going here. Find your humanity friend.

          • ~ liz ~

            I guess it’s lucky for her a gluten-free diet with no GMOs made things better. Someone should write a case study.

            Rachel, since thing like this are compensated by the VICP, do you happen to have a case number?

            From my experience, the trolls who accuse people who disagree with them of being “paid big bucks by the pharmaceutical companies to mock people” are always, without exception, liars.

            Prove me wrong. I hope you will.

          • Rachel Flanagan

            Compensated by the vaccine court LOL. You must be kidding, you’ve got to be lawyered up, willing to pay thousands in retainer fees, and wait 7-15 years for compensation. One needs money and lawyers to merely navigate the vaccine court.

            My god it must be nice to live in your pretend world where vaccine damaged children are compensated by pharmaceutical companies.

          • None of that answers my question.

            Baseless shill gambit? Flagged and downvoted.

            But oh dear! If your child reacted that way to weakened, dead pathogens or pieces of pathogens then how do you think the full virulent strength pathogen will affect them.

            Again, they’re not immune.

          • Ron Roy

            It’s not ONLY the pathogens ( viruses ) in the vaccines it’s the adjuvants, the preservatives, the medium in which it was cultured etc.

          • That doesn’t answer the question wrt immune system.

            Formaledehyde is part of natural metabolism so….

            Ask for single dose or use LAV to avoid thimerosal and so on.

            Alum….mmm…pickles. https://vaxplanations.wordpress.com/2015/02/25/239/

          • Ron Roy

            Big difference in between naturally occurring and whether it is injected vs ingested. But you know this your paid to deny deny deny.

          • Nope. Ingestion vs injection was already adressed.

            But I have listed below….in no particular order, formaldehyde that entered the body:

            -From natural metabolism
            -From a pear
            -From a vaccine

            Your task is to match the formaldehyde to the source – it should be easy since there’s such a big difference! Ready? Off we go!

            CH2O

            CH2O

            CH2O

            So which formaldehyde came from which source? There’s a huge difference so it’ll be easy for you to pair them up, right?

          • Rachel Flanagan

            These clowns will tell you injecting aluminum is the same as ingesting it.
            Frightful people, they’ll say anything for filthy lucre, profiting on the backs on America’s children is all in a days work.

          • Reality022

            It’s also the name – vaccines.
            If it is called a vaccine it causes all manner of mischief.
            .
            What if we called them Lucky Charms?
            .
            Readers will note that the anti-vaccinationists have yet to settle on what they actually believe.
            .
            – It started as Thimerosal causes autism.
            When that was shown to be false the antivaccinationists merely moved the goalposts:
            .
            – It was then the measles component of the triple vaccine – MMR.
            When that was shown to be false the antivaccinationists merely moved the goalposts again:
            .
            – It was then “too many, too soon”.
            When that was shown to be false the antivaccinationists merely moved the goalposts again:
            .
            – It was then “the aluminum adjuvants”.
            When that was shown to be false the antivaccinationists merely moved the goalposts again:
            .
            – The antivaccinationists have now decided that it is a combination of all the above.
            .
            – Whatever science discovers about autism, to the antivaccinationists it will always be the vaccines… somehow.
            .

            Is it clear now why scientists are done appeasing these ignoramuses with an agenda?

          • Rachel Flanagan

            Egg protein in vaccines contain glyphosate.

          • Rachel Flanagan

            Unlike you its not my “job” to work this thread, I have a life 🙂

            From the Wall Street Journal….

            Vaccine Makers Enjoy Immunity
            http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123535050056344903

          • Nope, sorry.

            Doesn’t matter how many sites repeat the total immunity claim, it’s a lie.

          • Rachel Flanagan

            I supposed the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act is a figment of our imagination, and you’re telling the truth…

            No marbles, your shill pants are on fire.

            The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) of 1986
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Childhood_Vaccine_Injury_Act

          • Oh good, I’m so glad you brought Wikipedia up!

            “The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) of 1986 (42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to 300aa-34) was enacted in the United States to reduce the potential financial liability of vaccine makers due to vaccine injury claims.”

            Reduce. Not eliminate.

            Thank you for proving my point for me in the first sentence of the article you suggested we read. It’s so much easier when you prove our point for us.

            Baseless shill gambit? FAD + GFY.

          • Nope, I just think you don’t understand it.

          • Right….what was the NVICP number?

          • Rachel Flanagan

            NVICP number really?

          • Yup.

          • Ron Roy

            OMFG She saw her children damaged what more do you want? If you saw someone cut in half laying by a railroad track and you didn’t see the train doing it you would say: ”Prove it was the train”.

          • What more do I want? A VAERs number or NVICP file.

            And false analogy. It isn’t like we have lots of people cut in half when they haven’t been run over by a train.

          • Jonathan Graham

            She saw her children damaged what more do you want?

            If she said that aliens damaged her children would you defend her as vigorously as you are doing now?

          • Damo

            Why is it that you have “two vaccine injured boys” and we should listen to you about the cause of autism, yet my 15 nieces and nephews, all vaccinated, don’t have autism. Isn’t, if we are going by judging based on anecdotal evidence, my experience more valid than yours simply because I know for a fact that they don’t have autism (I am not calling you a liar, but this is the internet). Also, what about my ex-girlfriend’s brother who was not vaccinated and was autistic (and not a functioning one either).

            I mean, I don’t believe in anecdotal evidence to prove a theory. Otherwise, I would believe that since the sun was shining when I was in my car accident, the sun causes car accidents.

          • Nice strawman.

            Try again.

          • Jonathan Graham

            I only work in the ER and see a ridiculous amount of children come in with a wide range of reactions directly after receiving their vaccinations.

            What is a ridiculous number? In say any 9h shift. How many do you get?

          • Sonja Henie

            To add-just taking kids to the ER doesn’t really say anything. I worked in a pediatrics office and our patients took their kids to the ER many times unnecessarily. What does the ER diagnose?

          • V Michelle Thomas

            Cite your source. Because I call bull$hit! You made that up and you damn well know it.

          • Brian

            “Cite your source. Because I call bull$hit!”
            Yup, and that’s about all you call… because you’re an anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist.

            But very well, here are a few relevant papers… again. The reality-deniers won’t accept them, of course.

            These are those that specifically looked at “regressive autism” -Richler et al. (2006) studied 300 people with autism in the U.S. and found no difference in regressive autism rates based on vaccination -Uchiyama et al. (2007) studied 900 people with autism in Japan and found no difference in regressive autism rates based on vaccination
            -Price et al. (2010) and DeStefano et al. (2013) studied 1000 children in the U.S. and found no difference in either classical or regressive autism rates, or other forms of ASD, based on thimerosal or other ingredients in vaccines

            Of course, there’s many more that looked at autism in general, and they all come to the same conclusions- The unvaccinated develop autism at the same rate as the vaccinated.
            -Taylor et al. (1999) studied 498 children in the UK showing no difference in autism rates or age at ASD development based on vaccination
            -Makela et al. (2001) studied 500,000 children in Finland showing no difference in autism rates or age at ASD development based on vaccination -Madsen et al. (2002) studied 500,000 children in Denmark showing no difference in autism rates or age at ASD development based on vaccination -Hviid et al. (2003) studied 450,000 children in Denmark showing no difference in autism based on thimerosal in vaccines
            -Verstraeten et al. (2003) studied 125,000 children in the U.S. showing no difference in autism and other disorders based on thimerosal in vaccines -Miller et al. (2004) studied 100,000 children in the UK and found no difference in autism and several other disorders based on thimerosal in vaccines
            -DeStefano et al. (2004) studied 2,500 children in the U.S. showing no difference in autism rates based on vaccination
            -Smeeth et al. (2004) studied 5000 people in the UK and found no difference in autism and several other disorders based on vaccination
            -Honda et al. (2005) studied 300,000 people in Japan showing no difference in autism rates based on vaccination
            -Fombonne et al. (2006) studied 28,000 children in Canada showing no difference in autism rates and other developmental disorders based on vaccination
            -Kuwaik et al. (2014) studied autism rates among those who had older siblings with autism, showing no difference based on vaccination even with genetic predispositions to autism
            -Jain et al. (2015) replicated the study with 95,000 people, also showing no difference based on vaccination even with genetic predispositions to autism
            -Baxter et al. (2015) showed that, when using the same diagnosis criteria, the autism rate was the same 25 years ago as it is today
            -Gadad et al. (2015) showed no difference in autism rates in rhesus monkeys based on vaccination, and their brains were dissected just to make certain. (This study was funded by anti-vaccine groups)

          • V Michelle Thomas

            The request for sources was bait. These studies you present seek to build confidence in vaccination programs irrespective of what is transpiring globally with Autism rates. None of these studies ever answer the question of causation and I submit future studies NEVER will. What you showed is a tentacled range of studies that seek to minimize what is occurring globally and modern day.

            It would be akin to saying that just because money is in the bank across the world, the Rothchilds who own banks have nothing to do with money. You go outside the medical industry (EPA) and you find a plethora of information on formaldehyde a known human carcinogen included in vaccines because no matter how bad the known effects are, it is given a pass for vaccine use. My indictment is the concoction of chemicals utilized and the locust of the interaction when given to a child.

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21299355
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18771903
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1280342/
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7992310
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2536523/

          • Brian

            “None of these studies ever answer the question of causation”

            Actually, they do. While correlation does not necessarily indicate causation, the lack of correlation does indicate the lack of causation.
            Of course, you’re a reality-denier, so no amount of evidence will convince you of your silly conspiracies.

          • Reality022

            1st citation – Helen Ratajczak’s laughable attempt to confuse correlation with causation. I claim that autism is associated to and strongly correlated with the use of cell phones and wifi. My hypothesis has as much validity as Ratajczak’s.

            Other demonstrate that autism is strongly correlated with increasing organic food sales. Their hypothesis has as much validity as Ratajczak’s.

            Takedown of Ms. Ratajczak and her grade school “science”:
            Coincidental associations do not provide proof for the etiology of autism
            Jeffrey S. Kennedy and David A. Lawrence
            Web: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51221704_Coincidental_associations_do_not_provide_proof_for_the_etiology_of_autism
            .
            pdf: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/David_Lawrence5/publication/51221704_Coincidental_associations_do_not_provide_proof_for_the_etiology_of_autism/links/56ddbecf08aed4e2a99c5bbc.pdf?origin=publication_detail

            Tell me V Michelle Thomas, what was the highest level of maths and science you achieved?
            High school sophomore?
            You seem completely incapable to read and evaluate “research” and are posting some of the most egregious codswallop that the anti-vaccinationists cling to. It’s almost like you don’t have a clue about science and experimental methodology.

          • V Michelle Thomas

            As far as I am concerned, you did not get past the threshold of the door of a science class. You can paper this platform up all you want with your lame a$$ studies.

            My mind is UNCHANGED. SINCE you have all the answers, tell me WHAT CAUSES AUTISM. You and all of your wisdom and science as we know it, collectively you continue to FALL SHORT! Where is my snail icon, because that is about the pace that it moves. Meanwhile, profits, profits…profits…profits..

          • Reality022

            It looks like genetics is the driving force behind autism.

            “… just because science doesn’t know everything doesn’t mean you can fill in the gaps with whatever fairy tale most appeals to you. – Dara O’Briain

            www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=uDYba0m6ztE

            Do you know what causes gravity? Can you prove it?
            Just because we don’t know doesn’t mean gravity is caused by a giant turtle the earth rests on…

          • Dosage matters.

          • Ron Roy

            Liar! No they don’t.

          • PK

            Still lying I see Brian. Still waiting on the study that backs up that comment.

          • Brian

            Lurkers take note:
            Reality-deniers like PK say things like “Still waiting on the study that backs up that comment.”

            one hour after I post a handful of legitimate studies and the prediction that “The typical response is outright denial.”

            Thanks for proving me right!

          • PK

            Listen half a brain Brian, I asked for studies with un-vaxed controls. You cited a dozen studies, all flawed. You’ve been debunked.

          • ~ liz ~

            This reminds me a lot of the Michelle Cedillo story, or the more recent case of Brian Hooker, who plays a prominent role in Wakefield’s kabuki.

            Parental observation is notoriously flawed, as this 2011 study comparing parent report and home videos shows
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3668453/?report=classic

            With the Cedillos it may have been honest parents who just missed the early red flags.

            With Brian Hooker, it’s a different story. The Special Master wrote in his decision that his narrative is contradicted by his son’s medical record,
            http://ia902504.us.archive.org/31/items/gov.uscourts.cofc.2340/gov.uscourts.cofc.2340.118.0.pdf

            There may be a few well meaning but woefully misinformed parents. I don’t see the point in allowing them to spread their nonsense unchallenged.

          • shay simmons

            Cedillo, hell. Chrystal should read the Hooker decision.

          • Or both.

          • Jonathan Graham

            Do you understand that these parents are just stating what they have observed?

            They are absolutely not doing that because nobody does that. They are stating what they *think* they observed coloured by all sorts of things. Eyewitness testimony is one of the least reliable kinds of evidence.

            Last time I checked, observation played a pretty large part your beloved science.

            Direct observation, with exacting standards of coding and recording information from a controlled environment is completely different from recollection.

          • Ron Roy

            These vaccine promoters know the truth is spreading like wildfire. They’re in a panic so don’t give up the good fight. I just purchased a copy of vaxxed and I plan on inviting as many people as I can to my place to watch it.

          • Damo

            Your cat doesn’t count as people.

          • Read the Cedillo case yet?

    • V Michelle Thomas

      Mischaracterizatoin of the events serves no purpose! But then again that is what you get paid to do. Whatever allowances DA Lahood received were all allowed under the color of law! Don’t hate the player – hate the game! Lol

      • White_and_Nerdy

        “Don’t hate the player – hate the game!”
        Exactly. Which is why I have provided you with the proof that Vaxxed is a fraud and why every single time you ignore the facts.
        Willful ignorance is the best you have got to offer…
        W&N

        • V Michelle Thomas

          Vaxxed is the Truth! You better recognize!!

          • White_and_Nerdy

            I have recognized the truth: Vaxxed is a fraud that preys upon people that (I) lack integrity and/or (ii) can’t follow middle-school science.
            Which bar was too high for you?
            Oh, since you refuse to even discuss the facts guess we know the answer….
            W&N

          • V Michelle Thomas

            Saying that he lacks integrity does not make it so! Saying it is a fraud – does not make it so. Science these days is bought and paid for so it is more like science fiction. The veracity of what is stated must be called into question in light of Dr Wiliam W. Thompson. He is a snake! Tampering with scientific results with his cronies and after the fact admitting he did- he put a scientific cherry on top and then said – I recommend vaccines as safe and effective. Yeah right! All of them can go straight to hell!

          • You’re dangerously ignorant. You have chosen to get your information from a proven liar and disgraced fraud rather than to listen to the scientific community. You do realize that this is a global community, and there are a lot more countries involved in it than the US. Don’t you think that if there was some insidious conspiracy and coverup “they” don’t want you to know about that someone would have been able to show a link or reproduce Wakefraud’s study? Do you have ANY idea what it would take to pull off a conspiracy on the scale you’re suggesting? THINK!

          • V Michelle Thomas

            Ignorance? I reject that! It can be done! So you THINK! Bernard Madoff fooled many people so fooling someone does not appear to be an unaccomplishable feat! Fraud lives and thrives where money and greed reign. I am not waiting for Big Pharma to research themselves out of business. That would be utterly ridiculous! Keep your position because I intend to keep mine!

          • Wtf does Madoff have to do with anything? He duped people who didn’t know what they were doing; that’s why they hired him. That sounds much more the way you’re being duped by this fraud. The difference is, the scientific community understands exactly what that fraud did, and we know that his work has not been replicated – and that pos paper was from ’98! We also know that there is no link between autism and vaccines. But feel free to continue to freeload on society’s herd immunity (another concept you don’t understand in the least) while spreading your nonsense.

            Just a tiny clue for you: you’ve been lied to by your hero, and you’re on the wrong side of history. Good luck reconciling that in the future.

          • V Michelle Thomas

            My reconciliation will never be with people such as you! I’m spreading common sense which seems in short supply on this thread. Wakefield is a hero and I am not bothered by the GMC’s findings. People on panels make incorrect determinations all the time. And I don’t subscribe to Herd Immunity. Most people believe they are protected when it is more of an Illusion. Most get vaccinated and never confirm they have titers to confirm their immunity against a particular disease. They get vaccinated and go Eureka- I’m protected. It is not until they come down with the disease before they figure out – The Shot did not work. Talk about DUPED!

          • Once again, you’re not qualified to decide whether or not Wakefield is a fraud. That speed sailed years ago and you missed it. Good luck living with your textbook case of Dunning Kruger.

          • V Michelle Thomas

            Once again, you can’t furk with that! Discount as you do because you know that physicians do not routinely check for TITERS post inoculation. So the Illusion of the herd continues. I hope you “Herd” me since you are part of the pack providing me so much protection. All there is here is Smoke and Mirrors.

          • Two words: Dunning. Kruger.

          • Sonja Henie

            Which means (speaking to V Michelle now) “a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing”.

          • AutismDadd

            You walked right into this one. Stay away you dangerous thang!

          • JoeFarmer

            Doing your best fly at a picnic imitation, huh Dudd?

          • AutismDadd

            Did your child help you with that one?

          • JoeFarmer

            Bzzzz….Bzzzzz…Bzzzz…

          • AutismDadd

            Having a vaccine induced seizure? Call Paul Offit for advice on the mercury and aluminum nutrients he recommends

          • JoeFarmer

            No one will ever accuse you of being smart, Dudd.

            In fact, you seem to be the only one that hasn’t figured out the reason your kid is messed-up because YOU’RE messed-up.

          • AutismDadd

            Oh, who are these other people who think like you, in the prison system?

          • JoeFarmer

            Really you should stop trying to hump everyone’s leg and go take care of your kid.

          • AutismDadd

            I have no interest in your fantasy life Pharmer

          • sabelmouse

            THEY should be!

          • forvaccinesafety

            where’s that Naled?

          • JoeFarmer

            You’re good at derp, Grace.

          • Reality022

            I believe she once said she had a PhDerp.

          • JoeFarmer

            LOL, I’m going to have to steal that one! Perfect descriptor for these people.

          • Reality022

            Well, it could also have been a PherpaDerp.

            Have fun.

          • AutismDadd

            Vibrator imitation?

          • AutismDadd

            Same old lame old

          • Can you please explain why the UK government bothered to…

            -Pay to hire Wakefield
            -Pay to hire people to ruin Wakefield’s career
            -Paid off three separate libel judges
            -Paid to buy vaccines from evil corrupt pharmaceutical companies
            -Paid to distribute vaccines to poison their citizens

            And all of that….just….so that they could….

            -Pay again to fix their citizens’ health issues.

            That seems rather against common sense. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg

          • V Michelle Thomas

            There are about a billion reasons why Big Pharma wants their program continued and they all have to do with DEAD PRESIDENTS! (MONEY)

          • I didn’t ask you about Big Pharma. I asked you about the UK government. Dead presidents…umm…it costs more to treat the disease than to prevent it.

            So again….

            Can you please explain why the UK government bothered to…
            -Pay once to hire Wakefield
            -Pay twice to hire people to ruin Wakefield’s career
            -Paid off three separate libel judges – so paid three times, four times and five times
            -Paid to buy vaccines from evil corrupt pharmaceutical companies – so paid a sixth time
            -Paid to distribute vaccines to poison their citizens – so paid a seventh time

            And all of that just so that they could….

            -Pay an EIGHTH time to fix their citizens’ health issues.

            That seems rather against common sense so I’m still waiting for an explanation.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6df0b23b2288545f97082e2fccd26a5badf138101afd08f310b05f6781b8a638.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg

          • Mike Stevens

            It’s not just the GMC which found against Wakefield.
            He was shown to be an elaborate scientific fraudster by the British Medical Journal (which has nothing to do with the GMC, btw).

            If you want your “truth” to be served up by liars and frauds, I won’t stop you.

          • AutismDadd

            Another yawn fest. No new material Pastrami?

          • How clueless are you? WE didn’t decide he was a disgraced fraud; the British Medical Council decided that. I know you won’t read it, but here’s a blog from 2010 describing the sequence of events. And ALL of this happened without any involvement by CDC! Remember, this is a GLOBAL community. We don’t depend on the research of any one individual group to form a consensus.

            Thompson? Your “whistleblower?” Hmmm, who’s that? Haven’t heard a word from him in several years now. Interesting.

            https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/andrew-wakefield-the-panel-is-satisfied-that-your-conduct-was-irresponsible-and-dishonest/

          • AutismDadd

            The GMC also operates the British Medical Journal BMJ which is funded LARGELY by vaccine producers MERCK and GSK, the 2 makers of MMR. Brian Deer was working for the BMJ as he created a case against him. The GMC denied at first Deer was involved in the accusations I suppose due to the Obvious conflict of interest.

          • That’s an awful lot of dots you’ve chosen to randomly connect together there, AD. That pretty much solves it.

          • AutismDadd

            Are you saying its not true? Then prove it.

          • Not my job to prove your whacky conspiracy theories. You made the assertion, you prove it.

          • AutismDadd

            typical Neanderthal

          • Just common sense AD. I guess I should know better by now.

          • AutismDadd

            That’s a psss poor summation.

          • Evidence of all of this?

          • AutismDadd

            Its called research…do some instead of asking for me to do it.

          • V Michelle Thomas

            The CDC has everything to do with vaccine recommendations. Dr. William W Thompson, the Senior Scientist, at the CDC that called into question that study. He is quiet because this could result in a major downfall of the vaccine program.

            As far as Dr. Wakefield, yes the GMC ultimately decided his fate. However, Brian Deer the investigative reporter who is “seemingly” independent on the surface was supported in his investigation by the Association of British Pharmaceutical Industries, which is funded directly and exclusively by the pharmaceutical industry. It was necessary that Dr. Wakefield’s study to be discredited. After his study was published, many parents in the UK decided not to get the MMR -wisely so. The Industries chief concern was keeping the MMR vaccine from being pulled. Meanwhile, the outcome of the USA v. Merck is still pending and we will see how this resolves.

            Once again, we are relying on the system to determine the outcome of a lawsuit that alleges that the MMR does not remotely have the FDA required efficacy and has committed fraud by tampering with results in an effort to maintain exclusive licensure. There is no competitive drug company perhaps because they CANNOT replicate the efficacy rate they claim to be 95 %. for this vaccine. The lawsuit brought by Whistleblowers contends it is NOT that effective and their prior test results CANNOT be replicated.

            http://probeinternational.org/library/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/chatom-v-merck.pdf

          • *Mr Wakefield.

          • So ignore Thompson and the UK then.

            We still have *plenty* of countries with incentive to let us all know. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg

      • Ahhh, the paid troll gambit; the last dying gasps of desperation in a losing argument. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ef1b1079f2a5d51cca8b89388531ac54e5a5c2e4de89c4394d0c7427e1605e35.jpg

        • V Michelle Thomas

          Not losing anything but time!

        • V Michelle Thomas

          Trust and believe your class had not been in session. I will take an incomplete just because.

        • shygirl75158

          You left out part: “this is what those funding my research want me to find and to say. If I say it doesn’t work, they will pull my funding and I will be out of work. Gee, I really like my lifestyles and I don’t want to give it up.”

        • V Michelle Thomas

          Create problems you need to scientifically fix. The medical profession cannot say they cured anything – just treated. There lies the dichotomy.

  • Dave’s Not Here
    • V Michelle Thomas

      Yes and we are shining a beacon of light on your bs! #theNakedTruth

      • Yet, you’ve failed to provide anything even remotely resembling the truth. Odd.

      • JoeFarmer

        Who is, “we”? Who do you claim to represent?

        Judging by your posts so far, I’d guess it would be something like the “foot in mouth” club.

        • AutismDadd

          Joeflamer back from a prison holiday.

        • NoToGMOs

          Pushing vaccines now, huh Joey? Big Ag not paying well these days??

          • Ron Roy

            He’s double dipping. Imagine having the gall to sell your conscience to two purveyors of death and disease.

          • JoeFarmer

            You’re as big a dipshlt as NoToGMOs, Ron.

          • Ron Roy

            Coming from you I consider that a compliment.

          • Damo

            Ron has physically threatened me. He believes that one dairy farmer in his town represents farmers as a whole. He believes that vaccines are bad and GMOs cause mutations in wildlife.

            There are two possible scenarios–he is the dumbest person who ever lived. Or he lies because he wants children to starve/become violently ill.

            Not sure which is the worse scenario.

          • JoeFarmer

            Why not just call him the world’s dumbest sociopath and be done with it?

          • Damo

            Pretty sure that he is blocking me anyway. You know, because I keep pointing out that his stand on this makes him, not me, despicable.

          • Joe

            Actually,for a start,he has no integrity which I proved on another forum,also he IS the dumbest although Autismdud would be a close contender.

          • Ron Roy

            Two sympathy upvotes. Joe you keep repeating yourself now take your meds and go back to sleep.

          • Ron Roy

            ”GMOs cause mutations in wildlife.” Really where and when did I say that? It’s the herbicide glyphosate, that is commonly used on GM crops that’s dangerous.And VACCINES ARE BAD. ” Or he lies because he wants children to starve/become violently ill.”Gee I must be doing something right my kids who were never vaccinated are all grown very healthy and they eat organic as much as possible.

          • Ron Roy

            Oh and here I was thinking you were the dipshit.

          • JoeFarmer

            That’s because you’re a dipshlt, Ron. Get it?

          • NoToGMOs

            Yep! It takes a “special” kind of person to do that!

          • Damo

            You don’t have to imagine, do you? Baby killer.

          • Joe

            Says the man with NO INTEGRITY.

          • JoeFarmer

            No one will ever accuse you of being smart.

            In fact, you’re a complete dimwit, as evidenced by your brainless shill accusation. So GFY.

          • NoToGMOs

            Ooh, touched a nerve, did I?

          • JoeFarmer

            No, just pointing out how stüpid you are.

            As in every time you try to science, you get called out for nonsense. Then you invoke a conspiracy theory. That kind of stüpid.

          • Duncan DeBunkerman

            Looking in the mirror again and projecting, Porky?

          • JoeFarmer

            Idiot.

          • Ted Miner

            LOL!!!

          • Duncan DeBunkerman

            He nailed you with the truth. Why are you so sensitive to being exposed and an industry PR astroturfer, Porky?

          • JoeFarmer

            You’re an idiot, Ted. GFY.

          • Michael McCarthy

            How precious. “NoToGMOs” called in Ted.

          • JoeFarmer

            Yep, and now the Cletus sock is stumbling around upvoting her posts…

          • forvaccinesafety

            Times are hard.

    • shygirl75158

      It’s funny how you guys think t hat if you just keep repeating lies long enough, everyone will believe them. Not everyone will, and those who do believe them will wind up with vaccine injured children. then they won’t believe your lies anymore. Eventually, the number of very angry parents may come to tar and feather you. It has not been legitimately debunked, please list the independent research that debunks it. No fair posting papers on research done by criminals – so the Danish study is NO GOOD. You feed and count on paretns to believe your lies so you can harm their children. Wow! What must you all be like in real life. You probably keep your own kids in cages.

      • What part of the Danish study’s science is “no good?” Your stupidity is growing tiresome.

        • AutismDadd

          One would think you enjoy stupidity

        • bsroon

          Really? The study written by the felon who stole millions of $$$ and ran to Denmark? THAT paragon of honesty and trustworthiness? His study?

          • I clearly asked about the science, not whether or not you’d date the PI. What is it about the study that is no good? Certainly, you must have some specific aspect of the study itself. Or is it that the results didn’t fit your preconceived ideology?

          • bsroon

            The attaked Wakefield study (attacked for reasons which amount to lying) basically stated that there were gastrointestinal difficulties in the autistic children whom he studied. He was not the person who stated that the onset of dysbiosis was caused by the MMR – that was the parents reporting the history of their children’s regression into the autistic state. Since they were the only people present – you can’t legitimately second guess those facts.

            Wakefields study has been replicated and it has been found that yes – autistic people do have intestinal dysbiosis, and yes, it is repeatedly stated that this occurs in varying amounts of time after the MMR vaccine. When your vaccines attack bacteria, it’s quite likely that these toxins and pathogens attack the probiotics in your system which basically amount to what science lumps together as germs. Since the probiotics are 60-90% of your immune system, such damage would theoretically be devastating and would occur at different rates depending upon one’s personal biochemistry.

            We know the CDC Whistleblower Dr Wm Thompson has given the evidence to congress showing that Dr Julie Gerderbing (head of CDC then) told them to change the information in the 2004 Atlanta study regarding MMR shots in young black children 36 months and younger. The “scientists” actually and literally destroyed the data and copies which Thompson had not saved. He also saved the emails from the CDC head telling him/them to make this study look like nothing happened – when there was a more than 200% increase in autism when these black youth were given MMR shots.

            The lie they used to pretend it didn’t happen, was to state that those “extra” autism cases basically didn’t happen because they pretended that the BIRTH CERTIFICATES were sketchy. Really? All we have to do to treat autism or get rid of it is to question legal pieces of paper and then the child behaves normally???

            When you look at the Amish – they basically don’t vaccinate – but have extremely low autism rates. (nobody here is saying ONLY vax causes autism, or that it happens in every case) i know of a pediatrician who has practiced for 40 yrs – naturopathically – and so he has not had patients with vaccinations. He has not had an autistic patient in his non-vaccinated patients – over 35,000 patients. Statistically he should have a lot in that number.

          • “He was not the person who stated that the onset of dysbiosis was caused by the MMR – that was the parents reporting the history of their children’s regression into the autistic state.”

            And exactly how was this cohort assembled? And exactly how might that, errr, methodology affect the statistical results within that tiny group?

            “Wakefields [sic] study has been replicated and it has been found that yes – autistic people do have intestinal dysbiosis, and yes, it is repeatedly stated that this occurs in varying amounts of time after the MMR vaccine.”

            Ummm, ok. And this means that the MMR vaccine is the cause of intestinal dysbiosis? Please, tell me more about you arrived at this conclusion!

            “…it’s quite likely that these toxins and pathogens attack the probiotics in your system which basically amount to what science lumps together as germs.”

            What toxins are those? Are you really that unfamiliar with the scientific community to not understand the cutting edge studies in microbiome research? Germs??? lmfao. You are greatly misinformed.

            “The “scientists” actually and literally destroyed the data and copies which Thompson had not saved.”

            Refuted with actual facts a thousand times. Credible citation needed!

            “The lie they used to pretend it didn’t happen, was to state that those “extra” autism cases basically didn’t happen because they pretended that the BIRTH CERTIFICATES were sketchy. Really?”

            Really? is right! This is simply false, as has been discussed ad nauseum.

            “When you look at the Amish – they basically don’t vaccinate – but have extremely low autism rates.”

            Another favorite trope of the antivaxx cult, but sadly for you, completely untrue. I strongly suggest starting with this, though there are many more accessible articles debunking this common myth:
            http://blogs.plos.org/thepanicvirus/2011/06/28/anecdotal-amish-dont-vaccinate-claims-disproved-by-fact-based-study/

            “i know of a pediatrician who has practiced for 40 yrs – naturopathically – and so he has not had patients with vaccinations. He has not had an autistic patient in his non-vaccinated patients – over 35,000 patients.

            I’ll take “things that never happened for $2000, Alex. Also, pediatrician and naturopath are mutually exclusive terms. Here’s an example of why:
            https://www.naturopathicdiaries.com/naturopathic-pediatrics-is-not-safe/

            NEXT!

          • bsroon

            OOooooh – legally restricting the pediatrician definition to exclude other modalities which treat children. Technically straight up, silly bone of contention…
            Thompson has given the fed govt via a congressperson his data. It is different than what the CDC study was changed to. There are also 2 other CDC whistle blowers – one in Utah and i don’t recall the other – stating categorically that the CDC “doctors” and discards most autism cases. Regardless – the facts are that Thompson was head of that study, he has turned over the emails by Gerderbing stating that the study needed to be altered to lie about the autism rates. This is what happened, not what is denied by others. Read Thompson’s words from transcripts. The CDC lied. Period. Not really debatable, but then they lie about all kinds of things from flu death #s to polio vaccination “saving us” to raw milk deaths… If you trust the CDC you are not too wise.

            You ignore the lower vaccination rates among the Amish and the lower vaccination rates. When you have correlations like this – yes your favorite saying is going to spring to mind that correlation is not causation – but you manage to ignore the implications. When there IS lower autism AND lower vaccination – that does suggest a possible link between the lower rates of both occurring. It can’t legitimately be argued that a group of people with lower autism rates, and lower vax rates proves that they have the same autism rates as a more vaccinated group.

            Microbiome research – well let’s see – your probiotics are predominantly bacterial, comprise about (sources vary) from 90% to 99% of the genetic diversity in your body AND make up from about 70% to 90% of your whole immune system. Bacteria used to be called germs, and yes, i used that almost antique term and it’s implications of simplistic, Pasteur-like germ theory simplicity. The pathogens were all considered germs, and vaccines attacked the germs. This was actually the basic line i was told as a child.

            So when you attack pathogens – viral or bacterial – you attack pathogens. As for the toxins your comment implies are not present – HOW PHUKKIN DISINGENUOUS!!!! Flu shots contain 2000 parts per billion of mercury in some versions. All vaccines contain SOME trace amounts of thimerosal from the vaccine production line being cleaned with this disinfectant – thus it is residue on the equipment and contaminates the vaccines with trace amounts – so back to the 2000 ppb mercury. At 2 ppb – you greatly exceeded the EPA safe level of mercury, which would be ZERO parts per any amount. Doesn’t matter if you are talking ethyl or methyl mercury – ZERO parts is the only safe dosage.

            At 20 ppb – your myelin sheathing is being peeled back and nerves are being destroyed. You can see videos of this actually recorded as it happened. At 200 ppb – you need to dispose of this product in a level III toxic waste dump – or your mercury fillings? And the vax (some) has 2000ppb.

            Aluminum – neurotoxic. Crosses the blood/brain barrier with the accompaniment of polysorbate 80 – and when infants are very young in your first two assaults upon babies – at birth and the first visits at 2-3 months for many. (my nephew was killed by the hep-B vaccine at 5 months) Polysorbate 80 helps almost anything cross the blood brain barrier. Don’t need that chemical to pass along the vaxxes with MSG – that is neurotoxic as it overstimulates nerves and burns them out. Then there are other toxins…

            WIsh my laptop didn’t just burn out. Have over 300 medical abstracts, data sets, charts & graphs, interviews, biochemical studies of pathways and effects of the toxins involved and more….

            Video card fried so i need to get a remote hard drive docking port and hook it up to my USB – according to my son who actually knows these things. i have incredible precise mfgr lists of the ingredients with the toxic effects in studies for many of those toxic ingredients.

            But let’s not forget – this is NOT just about autism. Others get killed, Guillain Barre’ Syndrome (think polio) polio, paralysis, destroyed uterine function, vertigo, narcolepsy and more – all PROVEN to be caused to some people by some vaccines. This is not just about Wakefield, or the impossibility of vaccines to deliver on herd immunity. Huge point – you ignore it.

          • Damo

            “Since they were the only people present – you can’t legitimately second guess those facts.”

            You can’t NOT second guess those stories.

          • Damo

            The lie about the Amish totally destroys any credibility you may have had.

          • bsroon

            ‘In a recently published December 13, 2012 vaccine court ruling, hundreds of thousands of dollars were awarded to Ryan Mojabi, whose parents described how “MMR vaccinations” caused a “severe and debilitating injury to his brain, diagnosed as Autism Spectrum Disorder (‘ASD’).”’

            The Liberty Beacon went on to describe the second court ruling that month, as well as similar previous verdicts writing, ‘Later the same month, the government suffered a second major defeat when young Emily Moller from Houston won compensation following vaccine-related brain injury that, once again, involved MMR and resultedin autism. The cases follow similar successful petitions in the Italian and US courts (including Hannah Poling, Bailey Banks, Misty Hyatt, Kienan Freeman, Valentino Bocca, and Julia Grimes) in which the
            governments conceded or the court ruled that vaccines had caused brain injury. In turn, this injury led to an ASD diagnosis. MMR vaccine was the common denominator in these cases.’

          • Damo

            So, what does that have to do with the fact that the Amish get vaccinations?

          • bpatient

            You seem convinced. Perhaps you should consider the evidence before you post again.

          • bsroon

            What lawsuits? Naturopath’s patients tend to be much healthier than MD patients because they actually know biochemistry and nutrition – 95% of MDs know nothing about this unless they trained theirselves later. As a consequence over 99.999% of (for example) stomach acidity issues are mistreated by MDs – antacids are the exact wrong direction to head, but that IS a ten BILLION $$$ market/annum in the US. MDs do the wrong thing for cancer, most heart disease, arthritis, diabetes, alzheimers, MS, etc etc, ad nauseum.
            You seem to believe that people will read about this ND having lawsuits – which he doesn’t – and expect people to believe that he is incompetent. Not everyone takes total measurements (according to “scientific standards”) in their practice of every disease – and are more concerned with meeting the needs of their patients, increasing their trainng, etc – so there is nothing at all wrong with an observation made about his practice. Yet here you are – trying to shove his observations about his practice into some configuration which damns him in other’s eyes – when your opinions are based upon absolute and total ignorance of the subject – i guess this typifies your (lack of) thinking process, your integrity, your level of “science”. No wonder the leading medical journals both mention that 50% of published studies are worthless….

            As for Wakefield – he stopped practicing medicine because he was pretty much attacked and forced out if you bothered to recall… He wasn’t able to complete more studies. Just watch VAXXED and keep the same story – until you do you are again spouting ignorance about his stance, motives, life-story it seems.

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          Especially since she claims to have more than an 8th grade education.

      • Ron Roy

        Keep up the good fight.

        • Mike Stevens

          It seems to be a pretty insipid fight, rather than a good one.

    • AutismDadd
  • ~ liz ~

    Oh dear. Mr. LaHood watched Andy Wakefield’s latest video and had a revelation.

    In case anyone’s forgotten who “disgraced former doctor Andrew Wakefield” is: He’s a liar, a fraud, and a man with a history or exploiting children with autism for his own personal gain.

    • My, but they do seem to forget rather quickly. Or, more likely, to this group, this is all new to them. They have some ‘splainin to do!

      • V Michelle Thomas

        No one needs to dignify your lies and shoddy responses with an explanation. There are no turncoats here. We are unmoved by your rants, attacks, and smear campaigns! #StrongMinds

        • Lol, lies? I’m always looking to learn new things. Please point out anything I’ve posted that is a lie, and provide a *reputable* citation to refute my statement. I’m happy to change whatever I may have been mistaken about.

          • V Michelle Thomas

            Just because you stand on a foundation of lies does not mean it will not crumble. I have my sources and telling me that they are not reputable does not make you worthy of a response.

          • Hahaha, now the paralegal has “sources” telling her something that the overwhelming majority of the scientific and medical community apparently doesn’t know! Please stop! I’m going to get coffee out my nose!

          • Brian

            It’s hilarious how when you invite them to justify their own basic comments (“Please point out anything I’ve posted that is a lie”) these guys respond with “I’m not going to respond to you” but then continue posting elsewhere that you’re always lying. he he he

          • It’s just amusing imagining what these people must be like in real life.

          • Go on, crumble it!

    • V Michelle Thomas

      You are relying on a reporter! Well isn’t that interesting! A reporter with family ties to the pharmaceutical industry. Oh yeahhhhh – he is credible! Lol

      • Yeah, I was shocked the British Medical Coucil watched Vaxxed before. Making their decision!!! omg, you’re too funny!

        • V Michelle Thomas

          Floored!

      • What is the proof of family ties to pharma? I am sure you have some.

    • Twylaa

      Dr. Wakefield is not a liar, not a fraud, and didn’t exploit children with autism. Personal gain? None! He would have gained much more from toeing the party line.

      Parents of the children treated at the Royal Free hospital have spoken out in favor of Dr. Wakefield, and said that the treatment their children received helped them.
      Parents express support for Dr. Wakefield:

      Lancet 12 Parents Respond to Brian Deer BMJ GMC Allegations (video)
      http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/01/lancet-12-parents-respond-to-brian-deer-bmj-gmc-allegations.html

      No Parent Ever Complained to GMC: Public Statement from Lancet Families Supports The MMR3 (letter)
      http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/02/no-parent-ever-complained-to-gmc-public-statement-from-lancet-families-supports-the-mmr3.html

      That famous paper 1998 Lancet paper had 12 co-authors, who have all stood by the actual findings of intestinal inflammation. The paper accurately stated that parents of 8 out of the 12 subjects said that their children’s bowel and developmental issues began soon after receiving the MMR. The paper stated that no link with the MMR had been proven, but called for further research. Very reasonable, no fraud. Should have been met with scientific/medical debate and research, instead of prosecution, persecution, and censorship.

      Coauthor John Walker-Smith, the world renowned pediatric gastroenterologist who was actually in charge of the children’s treatment, was convicted by the British General Medical Council (GMC) of almost all the same charges as Dr. Wakefield and also had his license to practice medicine removed. Walker-Smith appealed, and the court completely overturned the GMC’s ruling and restored his license, concluding that:
      “For the reasons given above, both on general issues and the Lancet paper and in relation to individual children, the panel’s overall conclusion that Professor Walker-Smith was guilty of serious professional misconduct was flawed, in two respects: inadequate and superficial reasoning and, in a number of instances, a wrong conclusion… The panel’s determination cannot stand. I therefore quash it. Miss Glynn, on the basis of sensible instructions, does not invite me to remit it to a fresh Fitness to Practice panel for redetermination. The end result is that the finding of serious professional misconduct and the sanction of erasure are both quashed.”
      http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2012/503.html

      • shygirl75158

        He was not prosecuted in a court of law for anything. He was prosecuted in the court of public opinion by those with ties to the industry. It is only those tied to the industry who call him a fraud. He has done more through that paper to help children with vaccine injury than all the mainstream doctors put together. Treat the inflammatory bowel disease +improves the immunological function of the child, reduces pain and suffering = improvement in quality of life.

        Mainstream opinion: “by mass vaccinating, we save so many, but there will be CHILD SACRIFICE. Your kid is one of them. tough luck for you.”

        “Your choices are now to either institutionalize the child for life or keep them on psychotropic dope forever. There is no hope and your child can never improve.”

        • Ummm, actually, he was prosecuted and stripped of his license by the British Medical Council. The court of public opinion followed, and with good reason.

          • AutismDadd

            Wrong. He was given whistle blower treatment. Hey whatever happened to his co-accussed Murch and Walker Smith? Bet they got theirs too right?

          • We’ve been through this a thousand times AD. You’ve been lied to. I’m sorry.

          • AutismDadd

            Crapola. He was assassinated and run out because he wouldn’t protect vaccines.

          • If only he really was assassinated. Today still wouldn’t be too late.

          • AutismDadd

            But we’d never have the movie VAXXED so its good he’s still around

          • Your hero is a liar, and a disgraced fraud. His unethical experiments have still never been reproduced almost 20 years later. Why do you think that is?

            Do yourself a favor and find a better hero. Yours sucks.

          • AutismDadd

            Did you know Wakefield actually went to medical school so he could later make false cl;aims about the MMR in his practice and through the movie VAXXED? Yes Pastrami, it was a plot he planned when he was 10 years old. Better tell all your friends or should I say friend?

          • What’s your point, AD? The guy is a disgraced fraud. Period. It doesn’t matter at all if you think he’s a victim or a hero; he’s not. He’s responsible for more deaths than we will be able to count for decades. Nice hero you’ve got there.

          • AutismDadd

            Prove he caused one death. You can’t

          • Reality022

            No.
            Just no.

            If only he was jailed for defrauding the government of ~$800,000 and fined restitution and triple damages.
            Instead he ran away to the USA to start his new life as ex-doctor Wakefraud – Con man supreme and high priest of picking the woo-woo’s pockets.

            He’s caused enough mischief here. Time for the USA to deport him and all the other Brit scammers who’ve accompanied him.

          • PK

            Don’t be sorry. Just quit lying.

          • Please point out any less I have told. Be specific.

          • PK

            I’m still trying to find something you’ve been factual accurate about.

          • Mike Stevens

            The British “General Medical Council”
            😉

          • Oops, thanks. I think all I could see is rage when I am forced to explain why Wakefraud is not a hero.

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          You definitely struggle with a lack of objectivity. If we had no vaccination against measles there would be about 800 deaths a year in the us and another 1200 cases of disability. I really don’t care to go back to those days.

        • Nice strawman.

    • Twylaa

      Here’s a much better video:

      Brian Deer and The GMC, Selective Hearing

    • shygirl75158

      If he were indeed a “fraud” and had committed such a horrendous fraud as many of you proclaim, then he would have been arrested, tried, and convicted. Instead he was tried by pharma trolls in social media and convicted by them – not in reality. It is obvious that you have never even read Wakefield’s paper.

      I find it extremely ludicrous when the mainstream haled no hope for any improvement in my child, but Wakefield’s research lead me to improve the quality of my vaccine injured child’s life by miraculous degrees.

      So when your child is left medically, metabolically, neurologically, and immunologically injured by vaccines, and your once healthy, normally developing child is rendered chronically sick – are you going to listen to the mainstream docs who tell you to either dope the child with psychotropics or institutionalize them due to “no hope of improvement’ or are you going to seek out information and try to improve the quality of your child’s life? I can jstu imagine you doing nothing if your child were diagnosed with cancer.

      Stop calling it “jsut autism.” these children are iatrogenically, systemically made sick by vaccines. That is what parents risk every time a vaccine is given,a nd they have every right to knwo it can and does happen way more often than they have been lead by the nose of a bought media to believe.

      • Cathy

        “improve the quality of my vaccine injured child’s life” ????

        You really need to have your head checked, Haven. Srsly.

        I am completely floored by the posts in the Yahoo Group you belong to, where you describe the horrible reactions your son had to IV chelation therapy when he was little. Over 200 treatments?

        Chelation. Which does absolutely nada to “cure” or change a child’s genes. Looking at your son’s facial characteristics, it clearly is genetic.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/10b6d782a590abd4bd3c94ec72a060db1cb7381bf5d2b5a1c9135ac1fa5b1679.jpg

        Parents like you. Ugh. I can’t even.

        • If they could turn in their “damaged” children for a 5¢ deposit, they would.

      • Mike Stevens

        “If he were indeed a “fraud” and had committed such a horrendous fraud
        as many of you proclaim, then he would have been arrested, tried, and
        convicted.”

        He committed scientific fraud.
        Many of us would like to have seen him convicted and jailed, but that isn’t how the criminal justice system works in the UK wrt scientific fraud.

      • JoeFarmer

        I hate to break it to you, but you’re mental.

        • kfunk937

          She does seem a bit…overwrought.

          Bless her heart.

      • Shygirl, your evidence of pharma shills is what?

    • Yup:

      ““If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell”

  • V Michelle Thomas

    Warning: High amount of troll activity on this thread! They are hilarious!

    • Apparently, a troll is anyone who knows more than you about this topic, and isn’t afraid to school you.

  • Oh Texas…. Why does it seem you are always on the wrong side of the topic?

    • VikingAPRNCNP

      Milky Ivins “laboratory for bad government”
      “Thank god for Mississippi”

    • Ron Roy

      I’m sure you meant on the wrong side of the pharmaceutical companies which is actually on the right side to be.

  • Brian

    Just so everyone on this thread is perfectly clear…

    Anti-vaxxers on this thread think that anyone who provide facts proving them wrong, or anyone who understands middle school science, or anyone who asks for citations, or anyone who acknowledges that certain fraudulent studies were retracted… is a paid troll.

    There you go V Michelle Thomas, I’ve saved you some time. Your welcome.

    • shygirl75158

      I haven’t seen any facts. Just you telling people that what you write is fact, so show the actual facts from independent reserach papers not funded by the industry, directly or indirectly.

      • Brian

        “I haven’t seen any facts.”

        And that’s your problem right there. When anyone posts facts, you’re blind to them.

        I’ve already posted several independent, peer-reviewed, replicated, non-retracted, not industry-funded research papers, as have several other posters, yet you choose to remain oblivious.

  • forvaccinesafety

    Thank you to the LaHoods, who in spite of their suffering, exemplify the rising of the human spirit.

  • Jens_disqussion

    Technically, the trailer embedded above is for this interview in support of VaxXed, which is not the VaxXed documentary itself:

    http://www.vaxxed.com/vaxxed-stories-the-prosecutor/

    It is imperative for anyone considering a vaccine, or considering supporting the mandating of any vaccine in violation of rights to medical freedom, to become educated on the captured and corrupted nature of U.S. vaccine safety research. The documentary VaxXed is a good way to get a window on one aspect of this problem. Trace Amounts is worth viewing to understand another.

  • bpatient

    LaHood, who is not a scientist, seems to get his “scientific” information from weasels associated with Wakefield’s Quaxxed. That’s unfortunate, because they cannot be trusted to tell the truth. For example:

    Following a screening of Vaxxed, Wakefield told the audience that MMR was developed as follows: “You inject [nonhuman primates] with the virus for the vaccine, not the vaccine itself but the virus of the vaccine . . . . directly into the thalamus of the brain. You then observe these animals for neurological signs over the next 17 to 21 days, and then you terminate the animals, and then you look at their brains under the microscope. . . . “Now, there are no controls. There are no animals that have saline injected into their thalamus in place of the virus. That is the basis, after that has been done, then it is safe to go into children.” Wakefield undoubtedly knew that he had skipped over long years of careful work, he knew that he was lying, but apparently his audience did not.

    Courthouse news quoted Del Bigtree lying in this way: “[Del] Bigtree, his blue eyes flashing in his handsome California-tanned face, said he learned from his work on the “The Doctors” that vaccines aren’t tested the way drugs are. “If you think about it, grandpa’s Viagra went through 10 years of double-blind safety studies,” he said. “The hepatitis B vaccine we’re giving to a one-day-old baby was only tested for four days. ” Four days. Bigtree, who compressed long years of work into four days, either knew he was lying or he doesn’t understand anything at all about vaccines development.

    Brian Hooker made this claim about his child’s medical history in Vaxxed: “Two weeks after his 15 month vaccines, then he lost all language. He lost all eye contact. You would pick him up and he would just hang limp.” However, the public documents from Hooker’s failed suit in “Vaccine Court” made it clear that nineteen days following receipt of those vaccines the Hookers took their child to the pediatrician because of concern that the scheduled surgical placement of “ear tubes” might have to be delayed because the Hookers suspected that he had an ear infection. They did not mention that he had “lost all contact” or “lost all language” or that “he would just hang limp.” The records note that other than their fear of an ear infection, “no other recent symptoms were noted.” https://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?s=brian+hooker&submit=Search

    • shygirl75158

      Where are teh double-blind, placebo controlled studies?

      • bpatient

        You might try searching for “vaccine AND placebo AND clinical trial” on PubMed and then try to understand some of the 2,840 articles that you’ll turn up there in less than a second.

        • Ron Roy

          You mean the placebos that contain the same heath destroying adjuvants as the vaccines? Rigged trials.

          • bpatient

            Can you please point to peer reviewed articles that show that adjuvants as used in vaccines are “health destroying?” Before you answer, please consider that exposure matters, and that people die from water intoxication.

          • JoeFarmer

            Ron, not being a Rhodes Scholar probably thinks that Paracelsus is that wacky temperature scale used in Canada…

          • NoToGMOs
          • Reality022

            Can you tell the class what the 1st glaring deficit in this joke would be?
            Hint – _ _ _ _ _ Pew. The very fuzzy and easily biased “behavioural testing” were not _ _ _ _ _ed; in fact, none of the data was.

            That’s only the 1st outrageous clunker in this mess. How it made it through review is known only to the gods, and Shaw and his favourite schlock journal – The Journal of Inorganic Chemistry which has published Shaw’s other schlock that has been laughed off the planet (see the WHO takedown of this clown).

          • NoToGMOs

            It’s a “joke” because it doesn’t conform to your industry-sponsored narrative??

            It’s been peer reviewed, where are you getting that it hasn’t been?

            If the WHO has “taken it down”, why has it not been retracted? Why is is still in the scientific literature??

            Are you claiming to know better than the Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry?? Who are you and what are your credentials to make that claim??

          • Reality022

            Those m0r0ns didn’t even blind the data. That is a freshman level mistake. It is an instant fail.
            How this piece of junk passed review is a good question but the Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry has passed his junk before only to have it held up for ridicule by the WHO as being essentially incompetent at a very basic level. The criticisms of Shaw’s work isn’t that he forgot some esoteric point in the study design. It’s that it appears he knows less than a college freshman and his “research” is riddled with very basic, fundamental errors.

            I also have a very poor opinion of UBC and whatever IRB approved this mouse-killing extravaganza that was unblinded. Those animals should have never been used in this joke of a study and sacrificed.

            I’m a scientist (retired).

          • NoToGMOs

            Here are more peer-reviewed studies in the scientific literature that points towards adjuvants such as aluminum, having a negative effect on our health:

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20708902

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4981857/

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23932735

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22235057

            And here’s one pointing to aluminum adjuvant in vaccines playing a role in today’s food allergy epidemic:

            http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(15)02364-7/pdf

          • Reality022

            Why would I look at any more “research” by Shaw & Co.? I just showed you the paper you touted was fatally flawed at a very basic level and recommended you read the WHO takedown of the brace of clowns – Shaw and Tomljenovic:
            www(dot)who(dot)int/vaccine_safety/committee/reports/Jun_2012/en/

            Note where the WHO points out they are making extremely basic errors that an undergraduate sophomore would receive a failing grade for. These Bozos are supposed to be PhDs and yet they are making sophomoric research mistakes or are they just dishonestly promoting their anti-vaccine agenda?
            Stupid or Dishonest? Or both?

            Just as Wakefield is an internationally known science & medical fraud, thanks to the WHO Shaw & Co. are internationally known science crackpots. They are laughing stocks. Jokes. They cannot even design and perform experiments at an undergraduate level They would fail Sophomore Biology Lab.

            The same goes for Shoenfeld and his crackpot ASIA. He and Shaw and Tomljenovic & Co. just had a paper retracted/refused publication for very similar sophomoric research errors as I’ve just discussed.
            These cranks obviously do not know how to perform proper scientific experiments or are intent on getting a predetermined result.

            No serious scientist pays them any attention.

          • Jonathan Graham

            Ron, you’re just making crap up again. Placebo means an inert substance. But please point us to a study, or clinical trial where they used an adjuvant and in the study documentation called it a PLACEBO.

          • JoeFarmer

            Don’t blame Ron. It’s teh Chemtrailz!1!1!

          • Jonathan Graham

            and bigfoot.

          • NoToGMOs

            Stick to pushing GMOs Joey, you really aren’t good at this.

          • JoeFarmer

            You’re not even really that good at derp.

          • Ron Roy

            Aluminum adjuvant in placebos: http://thoughtcrimeradio.net/2012/08/lack-of-disclosure-of-placebo-ingredients-in-clinical-trials/

            There are lots of ways to manipulate clinical trials. One way is to not use a true placebo:

          • Jonathan Graham

            Well right out of the gate you fail. I asked for a study and you posted an opinion piece. Given the amount of ignorant folk in the world it’s not surprising that at least one of them is sufficiently ignorant to write what was on that site. Oh hey it’s Mike from NutcaseNews!

            Four of the five trials approached their efficacy and safety studies in similar fashion, comparing Gardasil against a “placebo” that contained an active ingredient

            It was never labeled as a placebo either in the trial or in the product insert.

            where the incidence in the GARDASIL group was greater than or equal to the incidence in the AAHS control or saline placebo group

            [1]Notice that the part containing the Amorphous Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate is called a control not a placebo.

            So as usual Mike is lying to you and you just swallow it.

            http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM111263.pdf

          • Ron Roy

            No Mike didn’t lie that’s your department.

          • Jonathan Graham

            He did, I provided you with the documentation. Nowhere was AAHS referred to as a placebo.

          • shay simmons

            Has Ron ever figured out the difference between a preservative and an adjuvant?

      • I’m sorry, shygirl.

        I thought you said that you KNEW vaccines were catastrophically dangerous.

  • Twylaa

    re: “The film, which doubled down on his research”
    Wrong. The film Vaxxed is not about Dr. Wakefield’s research. It is about CDC scientist Dr. William Thompson, who has turned whistleblower and says that the CDC has suppressed and manipulated data and avoided any research that could show a link between vaccines and autism.

    It also tells the stories of a few (out of many thousands) of families who have witnessed vaccine-induced autism.

    The goal of the movie is not to end vaccination but rather the film advocates for honest research into the down side of our vaccine program. How can the adverse reactions be prevented? How can they be treated? A good vaccine program would care for the injured veterans of this war on germs, instead of denying that these injuries occur. Would single vaccines for measles, mumps, and rubella be safer than the combined MMR? Would vaccination after age three be safer? Would vaccination with the MMR be safer, instead of giving other vaccines at the same time? Are there some children who should not be vaccinated at all, and how can we recognize who this is? These are very valid questions.

    We are told that everyone must get vaccinated for the sake of those who cannot be vaccinated, yet we don’t even know who should not be vaccinated. There are a few very narrowly defined health conditions which preclude vaccination, but most adverse reactions occur randomly. We need research on the vaccine injured to understand mechanisms of injury and susceptibility factors. Not just a bit of biased number crunching, but actual study of the individuals.

    • Twylaa

      Curious about this movie? Wondering what is all the fuss about?
      You can see the movie Vaxxed for only $3.99 here:
      http://vaxxedthemovie.com/stream/

    • shygirl75158

      But they are so stuck in their paradigm that they would rather continue in child sacrifice and keep counting their profits.

  • Twylaa

    For more information about the actual subject of this movie, CDC whistleblower Dr. William Thompson, see:

    STATEMENT OF WILLIAM W. THOMPSON, Ph.D., REGARDING THE 2004 ARTICLE EXAMINING THE POSSIBILITY OF A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MMR VACCINE AND AUTISM
    “My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.
    “I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed…”
    http://morganverkamp.com/statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

    Recordings of Dr. Thompson’s conversations with Brian Hooker
    http://fearlessparent.org/cdc-data-stranglehold-blocks-autism-vaccine-research-recording-2/

    “The CDC put the (autism/vaccine) research 10 years behind”

    Outline Of Significant Developments In The Recent Revelations On Vaccine Safety Research Corruption
    http://healthchoice.org/index.php/news/122-outline-of-significant-developments-in-the-recent-revelations-on-vaccine-safety-research-corruption

    Whistleblower Says CDC Knowingly Put Children at Risk of Autism, Media Remains Silent (+Video)
    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/912252-whistleblower-reveals-cdc-knowingly-put-children-at-risk-of-autism-media-remains-silent/?photo=5

    CDC Frauds: Connections Between the DeStefano Paper and the Thorsen Affair.
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/08/cdc-frauds-connections-between-the-destefano-paper-and-the-thorsen-affair.html#more

    Autism and The CDC: Now What?
    http://www.examiner.com/article/autism-and-the-cdc-now-what

    book –
    Vaccine Whistleblower: Exposing Autism Research Fraud at the CDC
    by Esq. Kevin Barry (Author), Dr. Boyd E. Haley (Preface), Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (Foreword)
    http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Whistleblower-Exposing-Autism-Research/dp/1634509951/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438224719&sr=8-1&keywords=cdc+whistleblower

    • bpatient

      You neglected to note that Thompson included in the statement that you quoted:

      “I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race.”

      Thompson also noted, “Reasonable scientists can and do differ in their interpretation of information.” More recent work has supported the view of Thompson’s CDC colleagues that the effect that they observed in one subpopulation was due to socioeconomic effects and was not truly associated with MMR. Brian Hooker clearly understood that socioeconomic effects explained that observation. He and Thompson agreed, in a telephone call that Hooker recorded without Thompson’s knowledge, that African-American boys “who are getting vaccinated later are underdiagnosed [with ASD]” Hooker then chose to ignore the factor that he understood explained the data in his since-retracted paper in order to get the result that he wanted.

      BTW, a study of 95,000 children recently showed that MMR and the timing of its administration are not associated with ASD even in children who are at increased risk because they have an affected sibling. Moreover, children who did not receive MMR did not have a lower risk of ASD than children who received the vaccine.

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25898051

      • Twylaa

        Funny how people like to bring up Thompson’s statement that vaccines save lives, as if that contradicts anything I have said, as if there’s only two choices – for or against vaccines.

        • bpatient

          Given that the pertinent finding was of an apparently increased risk for African-American boys (not for African-American girls or girls or boys of other races), the important part of that statement is that Thompson “would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Reportedly, Thompson now understands that the observed effect is simply due to confounding socioeconomic factors (as suggested by other recent work and his recorded conversation with BS Hooker) and he has submitted a paper that corrects his earlier views and agrees with this CDC co-authors.

          • Twylaa

            He was really hoping to be subpoenaed by Congress, but that has not happened. He is being suppressed. But what he has said and revealed speaks for itself, unchanged, as do the documents he has disclosed.

          • bpatient

            That would be interesting. If anti-vaxxers contribute enough to a few Congressmen, Thompson might explain to their committee that a study of over 95,000 children showed that MMR is not associated with an increased risk of ASD. He could also explain the work that shows that the sort of socioeconomic effects that he discussed with Hooker and other recent work support the views of his CDC co-authors. It would also be fun if he mentioned that CDC regularly retains computerized data and bins hard copies of documents.

          • shygirl75158

            And we can all be certain that he was not pressured to do so… VOMIT.

          • You *really* don’t get how this works, do you?

          • bpatient

            Perhaps Thompson has read and understands some of the 1,883 articles that can be turned up by searching PubMed for “vaccination AND socioeconomic” including articles like these:

            Hungerford D. Effect of socioeconomic deprivation on uptake of measles, mumps and rubella vaccination in Liverpool, UK over 16 years: a longitudinal ecological study..
            Epidemiol Infect. 2016 Apr;144(6):1201-11.

            Sandford H et al. Is there an association between the coverage of immunisation boosters by the age of 5 and deprivation? An ecological study. Vaccine. 2015 Feb 25;33(9):1218-22.

            Elam-Evans LD et al. National, state, and selected local area vaccination coverage among children aged 19-35 months – United States, 2013. MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep. 2014 Aug 29;63(34):741-8.

          • Brian

            “And we can all be certain that he was not pressured to do so… VOMIT”

            Oh the logic of the conspiracy theorist! If what he says supports the conspiracy, then the conspiracy is true. If what he says contradicts the conspiracy, he must be part of the conspiracy, so the conspiracy is true.

            Silly anti-vaxxers.

        • shygirl75158

          You are right, Twylaa. We have to find some middle ground, but even it that middle ground, becasue vaccination will always carry dire risks, there must remain conscientious, religious, and medical exemptions. It would appear that California has now seen the error of its “our way or the highway” stance and now hopefully will work to create a middle ground.

          • Why don’t you look for evidence, not middle ground?

      • shygirl75158

        So what you are saying is, “We know it destroys the lives of many children but we save others and it is ethical to engage in child sacrifice for the greater good.” Instead of putting resources into finding a BETTER way to prevent disease which doesn’t sacrifice children, but of course that better way would not make billions of dollars worth of profit for the vaccine industry. – just so parents out there are clear on what you support. Salk himself said there had to be a better way. When his vaccine was beig taken off themarket for causing too many cases of polio, paralysis and death, he didn’t go running to the goverenment to FORCE people to keep giving it to their children. He admitted before Congress that most of the current cases of polio had probably been caused by the vaccine itself. furthermore, Salk refused to own the patent of his vaccine. What we have to day is teh DEATH of any integrity whatsoever.

        • bpatient

          shygirl75158 wrote: “So what you are saying is, “We know it destroys the lives of many
          children but we save others and it is ethical to engage in child
          sacrifice for the greater good.”

          I don’t understand how you got that.

          Perhaps you might consider the alternative to vaccination, which is already well understood. For example, although measles virus infection is bizarrely touted (Marvelous Measles!) as a way to somehow strengthen the immune system, in fact measles virus infection only protects against further measles infection while suppressing the immune system for up to three years and facilitating further infection (or re-infection) and increasing all-cause mortality. Measles, too, destroys lives.

          Dr. Thompson clearly disagreed with his CDC co-authors, and he, in fact, noted that scientists can reasonably disagree. DeStefano and the others believed that the finding of increased risk of ASD among African-American boys (only) vaccinated at some times was a statistical aberration that was due to socioeconomic confounder; Thompson thought that it should be prominently reported. It turned out that there is no reason to believe that MMR increases the risk of ASD, and it’s now clear, as Thompson and Brian Hooker noted and as Thompson’s co-authors believed, that that finding was due to confounding socioeconomic factors and is not attributable to MMR. Since there is no increased risk of ASD associated with MMR, there is no “child sacrifice.”

          • shygirl75158

            Of course they are going to twist the facts and truth so that their cash cow is protected. but that is NOT the issue. the issue will always be, should people be FORCED to accept injections when they believe those injections WILL harm them and their children? choice should always be a right.

          • shygirl75158

            Hundreds of thousands of parents all over the world beg to differ. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We witnessed the medical, metabolic, neurological, and immunological functioning of our children drastically decline after the administration of vaccines and NO ONE is ever going to convince us that it was not vaccines that harmed our children. We will never let anyone harm our children that way again. so I get that the only way they can continue to make money is to dupe more parents. Eventually there will be too many of us and we will be the majority. And many of those names you now laud will be in prisons where they belong or hanging from gallows on the Washington Mall (would be a better place for them). And it is not just MMR. It is all vaccines. Tell me be patient, what would be a suitable punishment for someone who harmed or killed YOUR child?

            so if you really cared about kids, you would come up with a better way that harms no one’s child,and if you are not willing to do that, then all you care about is protecting this seriously flawed program and kids do not matter.

          • bpatient

            “Hundreds of thousands of parents all over the world . . . witnessed the medical, metabolic, neurological, and immunological functioning of our children drastically decline after the administration of vaccine.”

            Yes, parents like Brian Hooker, who falsely claimed in Vaxxed that his child deteriorated soon after vaccination: “Two weeks after his 15 month vaccines, then he lost all
            language. He lost all eye contact. You would pick him up and he would just hang limp.” Contemporaneous medical records show, however, that nineteen days after his vaccination the Hooker’s child presented with a mild upper respiratory infection and “no other recent symptoms were noted.”

            Hundreds of thousands of parents witnessed their children growing and changing in genetically-programmed fashion following the administration of vaccines. The evidence indicates that autism begins early in fetal development.

          • JoeFarmer

            You’re mental. Get help.

          • JGC

            ” We witnessed the medical, metabolic, neurological, and immunological functioning of our children drastically decline after the administration of vaccines …”

            Exactly: after, which is not synonymous with “due to”.

            “NO ONE is ever going to convince us that it was not vaccines that harmed our children”

            That may be the case–did you have a point? the fact that you are irrevocably invested in a given belief does not argue that belief is accurate.

            “We will never let anyone harm our children that way again”

            How have you factually established that any children were harmed that way in the first place–i.e., that the injuries you believed these children suffered were actually caused by the vaccines they received? So far you’ve offered no argument other than a post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy.

      • shygirl75158

        but it leaves so much open to interpretation and other questions. Are 77 jabs of 16 vaccine truly necessary? should we err on the side of caution and vaccinate children at a later age – say begin vaccines at age three? should doctors instead encourage breast feeding until age two? Are all these vaccine really necessary outside an precipitating clear and present danger? Should we not make vaccine makers liable for injury and death as that would promote incentive towards a safer and more effective vaccine program? should we trample on religious and conscientious objections when the bible is clearly against putting anything toxic in the human body and vaccination is considered an abomination to God (since it contains MANY “unclean” components?

        Should a Republic ever be able to order individual citizens to have chemicals injected into their bodies that will change their bodies forever? It is FACT that these chemicals WILL HARM some and WILL KILL SOME. should the state be involved in child sacrifice? does this not violate the tenant that NO PERSON is to be subjected to “cruel and unusual punishment?” Can research be done to determine and waiver those individuals who are likely to react adversely to vaccines? Does the public not have the right to be fully informed of all ingredients and all dangers/ Should there not be strict penalties for doctors failing to give informed consent and even outright lying to paretns about ingredients? should all doctors be REQUIRED to read the vaccine package inserts in their entirety?

        Rather than ignore the existence of vaccine injury and its subsequent CHRONIC medical, metabolic, neurological, and immunological LIFE-LONG problems, shouldn’t all medical students be taught to recognize and be taught how to appropriately treat vaccine injuries as early as possible?

        So even if he is “for” vaccination – you’d have to ave a more in depth interview to see what he feels is the safest course of action moving forward for the vaccine industry.

        Further, other questions such as, “Should we not put safe guards in place – a system of checks and balances that prevents any vaccine manufacturer form funding vaccine research directly or indirectly so that the public can feel more assured that vaccine research is valid and trustworthy?

        Should our federal government cease contributing to vaccine manufacturing? should we not allow the “revolving door” of employment between the CDC, FDA, and vaccine industry. should one not have to wait a period of at least seven years in working at one of these agencies before going to work for a vaccine maker? (OOPs, that put Gebarding out of job!)

        Can we reduce the number of vaccines required? YES. Can the vaccine program be made safer? YES! Can we reinstate liability for the vaccine makers? YES. And until steps are taken to do so, more and more are going to refuse these toxic and dangerous products.

        • Brian

          “Are 77 jabs necessary”
          Translation:
          “I lie even about the little things”

          • shygirl75158

            NO Brian. Tranlation of wht YOU stated:

            “I have never done any real reserach. I am oblivious it is FACT that 77 jabs of 16 vaccines are now MANDATED for children from birth to age eighteen. I have no clue that a minimum of 49 jabs are required before a child starts school. I have also never bothered to read a package insert. I love to pretend that vaccine injuries don’t happen. I have no other god than vaccines and believe they can save us from everything, and I demand all must worship my god. I am also so backwards and ignorant hat I cannot even imagine man ever coming up with any better way becasue I am just that lazy and ignorant that I cannot conceive of any way other than this way which demands child sacrifices be made.

          • Brian

            Lie #1: “[Brian has] never done any real reserach.”
            Actually, I have multiple publications in peer-reviewed journals. Do you?
            Lie #2: “77 jabs of 16 vaccines are now MANDATED for children from birth to age eighteen”
            Nope. The most agressive law, SB277, mandates fewer than 20 shots. Perfectly following the CDC recommended schedule only gets you to about 50, and that includes 18 flu shots.

            Lie #3: “a minimum of 49 jabs are required before a child starts school” Nope. The most agressive law, SB277, mandates about 15 http://www.shotsforschool.org/laws/sb277faq/

            Lie #4: “I have also never bothered to read a package insert”
            Nope. I’ve read many. If there is any one in particular you want to discuss in detail, feel free to ask.

            Want me to continue?

            Why do anti-vaxxers lie so much?

          • JoeFarmer

            “Why do anti-vaxxers lie so much?”

            Because they’re all mental.

          • forvaccinesafety

            You’ve had one too many GMO, Joe.

          • NoToGMOs

            “Actually, I have multiple publications in peer-reviewed journals. Do you? ”

            Link to just one??

        • JoeFarmer

          TL;DR

        • Sonja Henie

          ” should we err on the side of caution and vaccinate children at a later age – say begin vaccines at age three?”
          No. The peak ages for dying of pertussis and Hib are under age 6 months. That’s why kids need protection in infancy. 90% of infants who contract Hep B go on to become chronic carriers, at risk for liver cancer and other liver diseases. Older kids and adults who get it have far lower rates. Paralysis from polio is permanent. Why should we wait till age 3 to protect someone from that? By age two, every child contracted rotavirus pre-vaccine. We don’t see a lot of deaths from diphtheria in this country any more, but if we quit vaccinating the little ones, we’d probably see a resurgence, just like happened in the former Soviet republics when the Soviet Union collapsed. Pneumonia is nasty in a kid, and pneumococcus causes many ear infections, which are common in infants. Tetanus spores are ubiquitous, and infants spend a lot of time on the ground. I think I’ve covered all the infant vaccines. Measles, chickenpox, Hep A all given before age 3 currently. Of the three, measles probably causes the most deaths, and would resurge in that age group if there were three birth cohorts unimmunized.

          ” should doctors instead encourage breast feeding until age two?”
          Breast feeding should be encouraged as long as the mom and baby want it, but breast milk confers NO immunity to most VPDs.

          ” Are all these vaccine really necessary outside an precipitating clear and present danger?”
          Yes. That’s how we keep these diseases from becoming a “clear and present danger”.

          ” Should we not make vaccine makers liable for injury and death as that
          would promote incentive towards a safer and more effective vaccine
          program?”
          About 19 other countries (the number keeps increasing) have similar systems. Many countries don’t and yet they immunize just like we do. This system was formed to help parents of so-called vaccine-injured children, to make it easier to get compensation. The tort system is expensive for everyone and results in FEWER awards.

          ” should we trample on religious and conscientious objections when the
          bible is clearly against putting anything toxic in the human body and
          vaccination is considered an abomination to God (since it contains MANY
          “unclean” components?”
          The only organized religion that opposes vaccines altogether is the Dutch Reformed Church in the Netherlands and its offshoot in Canada. Its offshoot in the US is pro-vaccine. There are no “unclean components in vaccines. Neither Islam nor Judaism have problems with the possibility of pork media being used in vaccines; the Catholic church says it’s OK to use vaccines grown in fetal media.

          That’s just your first paragraph. I have posted links to all these statements in the past; you can search my posts. I may take up some of the rest of your Gish-gallop at a later date.

          BTW, see this shygirl: http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/23/judge-orders-child-be-taken-into-care-because-father-advocates-harmful-alternative-medication-6084962/
          Didn’t you do something similar to YOUR kid?

          • Mike Stevens

            ^^^^This!!^^^

          • kfunk937

            I wasn’t sure which story your link was aimed at (I got all of them for 23 Aug), so I thought I’d pitch in with these related ones on: chelation death and bleach enemas. All in the name of autism “biomed.” Effing curebies.

  • Twylaa

    Thank you so much, Nico LaHood, for bravely speaking out about your family’s experience, which is so like the experiences of thousands of other families — even though you knew you would receive so much grief in return.

  • Twylaa

    As is so common, this article depicts a situation where only two viewpoints exist: pro-vaccine and anti-vaccine. Those who profess to be such fans of science often seem to be incapable of understanding that the world is not that simple.

    Over the past 30 years the vaccine schedule for infants and toddlers has more than tripled, with very little understanding of the unintended consequences. Yes, some diseases have decreased. But this generation, who have received more vaccines than any in human history, suffer from very high rates of immune and nervous system disorders such as autism, asthma, severe food allergies, seizures, bipolar, diabetes, and more.

    When I was growing up in the 1960’s we received a very small number of vaccines for a small number of very serious diseases. School nurses did not have to stock epi-pens, insulin syringes, and inhalers. We were generally healthy, and not in the midst of fatal epidemics.

    Yet now we are constantly told that if 98% of the population don’t get vaccinated for over a dozen diseases, it will be a disaster. There are hundreds of new vaccines in the works, and proposals for more and stronger mandates for children and also for adults. This is madness. Consumers and parents must have the right to make choices on vaccines. When something goes wrong, we are the ones left to pick up the pieces.

    We do not have unlimited capacity for absorbing more and more vaccines.

    And our vaccine program is corrupted by financial interests and govt CYA. See what Robert F Kennedy jr has to say about this:

    • Twylaa

      Attached is a comparison of old and new vaccine schedules. Many adults may not realize that we’re not talking about the kind of schedule we grew up with.

      • Twylaa

        Many commenters seem to think that in the good old days everyone got vaccinated. in reality, vaccine coverage was much lower than today.

        • shygirl75158

          But today there is NO LIABILITY. It is very difficult to get a child compensation for vaccine injuries and it takes years, so without any accountability they want to push and sell as many as they can. It is a merchants dream!

        • Jens_disqussion

          Less antigen use meant more reliance on adjuvants, mostly aluminum salts never proven to be safe, now in far excess of exposure guidelines for other sources of exposure in the infant vaccine schedule, and now being shown in belated research to be linked to various neurological and immune system damage.

          • Would you like some wheels on that goalpost?

            And what belated research….the research shows otherwise.

          • Twylaa

            Vaccine Papers – Debunking Aluminum Adjuvant
            http://vaccinepapers.org/category/aluminum/

          • lol, lemme guess, cuz I’m sure not clicking on any link to vaccinepapers: Shaw and/or Tomljenovic, a.k.a. junk science.

            Here’s an article that puts these aluminum fanatics in the correct perspective:

            https://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2013/07/10/comment-on-do-aluminum-vaccine-adjuvants-contribute-to-the-rising-prevalence-of-autism/

          • NoToGMOs

            “The demonstrated neurotoxicity of aluminum hydroxide and its relative ubiquity as an adjuvant suggest that greater scrutiny by the scientific community is warranted.”

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2819810/

          • JFC, seriously? This junk science again? Why are you wasting out time? This paper has been torn apart many times in these discussions.

            Much of the focus here involves Gulf War Syndrome and investigating the effects of the aluminum salt adjuvant in the anthrax vaccine. This hypothesis has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked, including by the Research Advisory Committee on Gulf War Vet’s Illnesses:

            http://www.va.gov/gulfwaradvisorycommittee/docs/GWIandHealthofGWVeterans_RAC-GWVIReport_2008.pdf

            Also, the schedule for anthrax vaccines is nothing like that for childhood immunizations.

            Shaw, a member of the Department of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences, publishes studies with a clear antivaxx bias. He publishes these papers in J. Inorg. Biochem, menaing there’s a great chance that the peer reviewers are not versed in this field. Why the antivaxxers can’t make better choices for their science heros should be obvious by now! There are very few, if any, whose science is legit.

            What are you going to bring up next, the made-up ASIA syndrome?

          • JoeFarmer

            “NoToGMOs” thinks she can science but she can’t. And since you called her out on her B.S., she’ll come back with a shill accusation followed by a conspiracy theory. It’s an established pattern with her.

          • NoToGMOs

            And yet, I haven’t seen an iota of “science” from you, let alone common sense.

          • JoeFarmer

            Keep posting and maybe you’ll prove the Infinite Monkey theorem!

          • Michael McCarthy

            ASIA syndrome is very real (also do note the similarity to the vaccine injury grapevine)

          • Haha, Asia! As a Yes fan, I had such high hopes for them 🙂

          • Michael McCarthy

            Yes, that was the poor kid from MTV’s Road Rules whose parents named him after the band. Fine for a band name, terrible name for a kid.
            (what I really wanted was the show where Asia was there and they say, “Play your song” and they go into “Heat of the Moment” and someone says, “No, the other one”. For the life of me I can’t remember what show it was)

          • Sure sounds like a Simpsons or Family Guy line.

          • Duncan DeBunkerman

            Where have I seen that industry PR astroturfer cut and paste before ….. hmmmmm?

          • *yawn* Thanks for your useless input,Ted. Now you and all your sock puppet accounts can flag this post. GFY.

          • NoToGMOs

            If that was junk science and had been “torn apart” so many times in your “discussions”, why is it still in the scientific literature?? Why hasn’t it been retracted by now??

            Are YOU seriously stating that peer reviewers of the Journal of Inorganic BIOCHEMISTRY are not well versed in …………wait for it……………..BIOCHEMISTRY?!!!!!!!!!!!

            You vaccine pushers are so transparent with your agenda!

          • The problem with lay people commenting on science is that you just don’t understand how it works. First, you ignored the many critiques of that paper and went right to my calling it junk science. Why not address the critiques specifically?

            J. Inorg. Biochem. has an impact factor of 3.4. Not exactly Nature or Science. The reason why Shaw’s papers are still in the literature is because crappy papers are not necessarily retracted. A retraction is a serious event indicating that the primary conclusions of a paper are deemed incorrect. It is much more serious than publishing a correction. A lower-tier journal like this is forced to accept less impactful and less rigorous studies if they want to stay in print. Any broad-reaching conclusions derived from these results should be taken with a grain of salt.

            The papers published by Shaw and his minions are not very significant. Their methodologies are questionable, and conclusions are really a stretch. The conclusions that the scientifically illiterate try to draw from them are unfounded. I’m not a vaccine pusher, dolt. I’m a science pusher. I actually don’t give a flying $#@% if you or your spawn are vaccinated.

          • NoToGMOs

            “The problem with lay people commenting on science is that you just don’t understand how it works.”

            The problem with self-aggrandizing, know-it-all “scientists” is that they make too many assumptions. Who told you I am a “lay” person?

            I looked through the VA link you provided earlier. I don’t see any “debunking” of Shaw’s paper showing neurotoxic effects of Aluminum adjuvants in there. In fact your VA link states the following about the results of a Canadian study on vaccine adjuvants (Aluminum and squalene):

            ” Overall, the aluminum adjuvant produced more adverse effects than placebo, squalene, or the combined adjuvants.
            After six months, mice injected with the aluminum adjuvant exhibited significant declines in muscle strength and endurance, and increased indicators of anxiety, compared to placebo. Aluminum adjuvant was also associated with indicators of increased central nervous system inflammation and motor neuron
            loss, as reflected by a significant increase (350%) in the number of reactive astrocytes in the lumbar spinal cord and neuronal apoptosis in the motor cortex and spinal cord. Investigators concluded that their findings were consistent with an association between aluminum adjuvants and neurological deficits, including ALS. By contrast, squalene adjuvant was associated with fewer changes in brain and behavior, none of which were statistically significant.

            Vaccines containing aluminum hydroxide adjuvant have also been associated with the development of macrophagic myofasciitis.486 This recently-identified condition is characterized by macrophage
            infiltration of muscle tissue after receipt of vaccines.239,485 Patients develop arthromyalgias and fatigue, among other symptoms, with one report indicating that about half of macrophagic myofasciitis patients meet criteria for chronic fatigue syndrome.”

            So, where is this “debunking” you keep talking about?? Why don’t you explain it in your own words instead of providing links that actually prove you wrong?? Or perhaps you can provide some links from “high-impact” journals like Nature and Science debunking Shaw’s research…..since those seem to be the only journals you deign to accept?

          • Who told you I am a “lay” person?
            Your screenname is NoToGMOs and you support antivaxx junk science. It’s a pretty safe guess that your training is not in this field.

            As for the rest of your comment, Orac took apart the paper written by these cranks years ago. Feel free to read it, though it will do nothing to correct your views:

            http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/12/08/and-global-warming-is-caused-by-the-decr/

        • AutismDadd

          garbage. Anyone can create a bogus graph.

          • Read the sources, adad.

          • AutismDadd

            Bogus Inc.

    • Sonja Henie

      OMG, Robert F Kennedy, JR as your “reliable source”? Gimme a break Twylalala! He hasn’t taken a science class since high school at the latest.

      • Twylaa

        He’s an environmental attorney – very educated, and very used to reading science.

        • Sonja Henie

          Snort! Doesn’t mean he knows anything about it. He still thinks there’s “mercury” in vaccines. He doesn’t understand statistics.

          • Reality022

            “He doesn’t understand statistics”? Heck, RFK, Jr. doesn’t understand calendars.

          • Sonja Henie

            Too true! He’s currently in 2000 and thimerosal is still in vaccines!

        • I stopped reading at attorney (not really; I stopped reading at RFK Jr…) Who cares? Let me go try to quote some law to him and see how much regard he gives it.

        • Brian

          …yet like a lot of anti-vaccine crackpots, RFK doesn’t even know what an “adverse event” it.

          Or maybe he does, because he’s “very educated”, and is just playing you all for fools.

          Either way, he isn’t someone worth trusting.

          • forvaccinesafety

            He was named a “Hero for the Planet” by Time in 2010.

          • Brian

            “He was named a “Hero for the Planet” by Time.com in 2010.”

            …and that means that he somehow isn’t an anti-vaccine crackpot? Did Time’s award committee bother to teach him what an “adverse event” is?

  • Twylaa

    Whooping cough outbreaks have been occurring among vaccinated people, because of decreased effectiveness of the vaccine. Yet some which to blame all outbreaks on the unvaccinated.

    “the study conducted by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and published… shows that acellular pertussis vaccines licensed by the FDA are effective in preventing the disease among those vaccinated, but suggests that they may not prevent infection from the bacteria that causes whooping cough in those vaccinated or its spread to other people…”
    “There were 48,000 cases reported last year despite high rates of vaccination…”
    “This research suggests that although individuals immunized with an acellular pertussis vaccine may be protected from disease, they may still become infected with the bacteria without always getting sick and are able to spread infection to others…”
    http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm376937.htm

    The Broken Vaccine
    Whooping cough is on the rise, exposing a worrisome trend: The vaccine that holds it in check is losing its potency, and nobody is sure why. http://discovermagazine.com/2013/march/15-broken-vaccine#.UeyPBhaxP8v

    When immunity fails: The Whooping Cough Epidemic
    http://www.kpbs.org/news/envision/whoopingcough/

    Whooping cough evolves vaccine resistance
    WHOOPING cough is outgrowing the vaccine introduced a decade ago to prevent the potentially deadly disease, Australian researchers have found.
    http://m.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/whooping-cough-evolves-vaccin

    Whooping cough antigen disappearing from U.S. bacteria
    An antigen used in whooping cough vaccines is now absent from more than half of all isolates of Bordatella pertussis, according to a study recently published ahead of print in Clinical and Vaccine Immunology.
    http://vaccinenewsdaily.com/vaccine_development/328936-whooping-cough-antigen-disappearing-from-u-s-bacteria/

    Dr. Anne Schuchat, director for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the CDC, speaking at a CDC briefing:
    “We think there are many things going on. Pertussis is a cyclical disease and the vaccines are not perfect. So even with increasing vaccination coverage, we expect to still have cycles. We think there are some unusual epidemiologic features that have caused us to launch a more detailed investigation in Washington State. Waning of immunity or a weakening of the time or waning of protection over time may be part of the story that we’re seeing. On the other hand, we know that people who are not vaccinated have about an eight times higher risk of disease than people who are vaccinated. We know there are places around the country where there are large numbers of people who aren’t vaccinated. HOWEVER, WE DON”T THINK THOSE EXEMPTORS ARE DRIVING THIS CURRENT WAVE. We think it is a bad thing that people aren’t getting vaccinated or exempting, but WE CANNOT BLAME THIS WAVE ON THAT PHENOMENON.“
    http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2012/t0719_pertussis_epidemic.html

    • Twylaa

      California pertussis epidemic, 2010 – JPediatr
      “Most pediatric cases were vaccinated according to national recommendations, although 9% of those aged 6 months to 18 years were completely unvaccinated against pertussis. High disease rates also were observed in fully vaccinated preadolescents, especially 10-year-olds.”
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22819634

      A recent study exposed four groups of baboons to pertussis germs and found that:
      – Unvaccinated baboons who had previously come down with whooping cough did not get infected.
      – Unvaccinated baboons who had never come down with whooping cough got very sick.
      – Vaccinated baboons came down with mild cases of whooping cough but were infected with the germ and able to transmit it to others for an average of 18 days (DPT) or 35 days (TDaP).
      Acellular pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model
      http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/11/20/1314688110
      “These data provide a plausible explanation for pertussis resurgence…”

    • bpatient

      Yeah, it’s too bad that the effective pertussis vaccine was withdrawn in large part due to public pressure from anti-vaxxers and replaced by a vaccine that, it turned out, wanes in efficacy. The resurgence of the anti-vaccine movement traces to perceived cases of vaccine encephalopathy following receipt of the whole-cell pertussis vaccine, although it’s now clear that such cases were due to pre-existing mutations and had nothing to do with vaccination other than that they could sometimes be revealed by fever, whether or not the fever was associated with vaccination (sometimes) or natural infection (usually).

  • Twylaa

    Mumps outbreaks are also occurring among the vaccinated, yet being blamed on the unvaccinated.

    The Jeryl Lynn strain of mumps used in our current MMR is losing efficacy. Two virologists who formerly worked for Merck are suing the vaccine manufacturers, saying that they were told to falsify tests of the mumps vaccine.

    Class Says Merck Lied About Mumps Vaccine

    http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/27/47851.htm

    Merck Overstated Mumps Vaccine Effectiveness?
    http://www.pharmalive.com/merck-overstated-mumps-vaccine-effectiveness
    “Two former Merck virologists are charging in a whistleblower lawsuit that the drugmaker used improper testing techniques and falsified test data, among other things, to fraudulently overstate the effectiveness of its mumps vaccines for which the federal government has paid hundreds of millions of dollars.”

    • Brian

      Six top posts in a row. You have been flagged for spamming.

      • forvaccinesafety

        flagged for being a pest.

        • Cathy

          Another HealthChoice troll appears.

        • Brian

          Hi Graceds!
          Because you still haven’t answered me from months ago, maybe others who know can chime in- how many times has grace had banned due to spamming and abuse. I’m only aware of a dozen or so.

          • forvaccinesafety

            Herbert, you’re still a pest.

          • Brian

            How many times gracie?

        • Sonja Henie

          Yeah, you are, Gracedipsh*t. Without a doubt. I thought you’d gone away. We should be so lucky!

      • Cathy

        Yep. That’s what got Twyla banned at AlterNet and DailyKos. I don’t think it matters much here.

        To be very honest, Twyla is yet another mom whose kid has a GENETIC disorder, Williams Syndrome. It’s totally unrelated to vaccines. Yet here she is … another one duped by Andy Wakefield.

        • NoToGMOs

          ^^Flagged for giving out other peoples’ personal health info.

          • Michael McCarthy

            Flagged for not understanding terms of use.

          • NoToGMOs

            Wow, you here too?! First JoeFarmer, and now you. Monsanto profits must really be on a downward spiral….they don’t seem to be paying their shills well, forcing the poor things to shill for Big Pharma as well. You have my sympathies.

          • Brian

            Paid shill card means you give up.

            Better luck next time.

          • Reality022

            Yep.
            Waving the Alex Jones white “Shill” flag of surrender to signal she gives up because she has no fact with which to support her position.

            It seems to be the inevitable action of the anti-science anti-vaccinationists.

            I just impressed that the mere appearance of Michael McCarthy triggered her complete surrender.

          • NoToGMOs

            Pray tell, what post of mine clued you into my “position”?? And what “facts” do you want me to present to you??

          • Reality022

            Aren’t you curious how I knew you were a “she”?

            Hint – Remote Viewing as heard on one of the conspiracist’s favourite shows – Toast to Toast.

          • Michael McCarthy

            “Pray tell, what post of mine clued you into my “position”??”
            Don’t need a post, your screen name is sufficient. Derpity derpa derp.

          • JoeFarmer

            Mushroom-stamped again!

          • NoToGMOs

            As you can see from my username, I have long been in combat with the likes of JoeFarmer and Michael M on another topic. They are known shills, at least for Big Ag/Big Biotech. I was just expressing my surprise at seeing them on this topic of vaccines, obviously not contributing anything of substance as you can see from every one of their posts on this thread.

            I did not play the “paid shill card”. Learn to follow along.

          • Brian

            “They are known shills”
            followed immediately with
            “I did not play the paid shill card”

            Why do anti-vaxxers lie so much?

          • NoToGMOs

            One ‘plays’ the shill card when one is in the midst of an argument/discussion about a topic (vaccines, in this case).

            Saying that those two are known shills is a statement of fact from previous experience, no shill card “PLAYED”.

          • Brian

            “Saying that those two are known shills is a statement of fact from previous experience, no shill card “PLAYED”.”

            Hahaha!

            That’s like saying “I’m not a conspiracy theorist because the moon landings really were faked!”

            Yes, you played the shill card. You lose all credibility.

          • NoToGMOs

            That’s the dumbest comparison I’ve seen. Are all vaccine pushers this vacuous and superficial?

          • Michael McCarthy

            “They are known shills, at least for Big Ag/Big Biotech”
            Of course you will be willing to present evidence to support this “fact”.
            I’ll wait.

          • Damo

            Oh my, another moron with twisted logic.

            When your explanation of why you weren’t doing X actually proves that you were doing X, you might be a crazy anti-vaxxer, GMO-hating conspiracy theorist.

          • Michael McCarthy

            Aww, the shill card after 1 comment. Eventually you might learn what a cogent argument is and how to make one, though I have my doubts.

          • NoToGMOs

            I didn’t realize you and I were in an argument??

          • Michael McCarthy

            *sigh*
            adding argument to the list of words you don’t know the meaning of

          • JoeFarmer

            Her stupidity is epic!

          • NoToGMOs

            Are you trying to set a record of posting the most number of comments in a thread that are totally unrelated to the topic at hand??

            Btw, where’s hyperzombie? Or, are you and he/she/it one and the same?

          • JoeFarmer

            You must like getting mushroom-stamped, because that’s happened to you every time you’ve posted!

          • Michael McCarthy

            to say the least

          • JoeFarmer

            Your dümbassery is duly noted.

          • NoToGMOs

            Note away. No one cares.

          • JoeFarmer

            You cared enough to respond, fücktard!

          • NoToGMOs

            Ooh, such language! Is it the alcohol talking?

          • JoeFarmer

            No, just pointing out that you’re a fücktard. Not that your posts haven’t made that abundantly clear, mind you.

          • Sonja Henie

            Presumably Cathy knows this because Twylaa posted it.

          • NoToGMOs

            “Presumably” being the key word.

          • Sonja Henie

            Well how else would she know, genius?

          • NoToGMOs

            Duh, a whole lot of ways. Information posted on an online discussion forum is not the only way one gets information about another person!

          • Sonja Henie

            Oh, give me a break! Who but some of you AVs goes digging into people’s backgrounds like that?

          • NoToGMOs

            We’re not the ones who brought up her child’s specific condition in a public forum, so obviously we didn’t “dig” into anything.

          • Sonja Henie

            Twylaa has been posting here for a long time.

          • NoToGMOs

            Sure, but that doesn’t mean you or any other poster has the right to post specific, personal health information in a public forum about her or her family without her permission.

          • JoeFarmer

            Derpity-derp-derp.

          • NoToGMOs

            Your “jokes” are getting old. Please come up with new material to entertain us. Earn your pay.

          • JoeFarmer

            You always have the option of crawling back under your rock.

          • Sonja Henie

            Don’t break your neck falling off your high horse. If she has given out that information, it’s on the WWW.

            You’re accusing people of hacking into her information for private medical information. The only way to do that would be to hack into her medical records. Even if someone got the information from Facebook, it’s because Twylaa posted it there.

          • NoToGMOs

            Again, not necessarily.

          • Sonja Henie

            Are you accusing someone of hacking Twylaa’s child’s medical records? Yes or No?

          • NoToGMOs

            No. Just of spreading Twylaa’s child’s personal medical information in a public forum. Which is unethical, if not illegal.

          • Cathy

            Sweetie. if you post your son’s medical condition as part of your online bio, that’s permission.

            FoothillAutism org Board Members – Twyla Ramos
            http://www.foothillautism.org/pages/boardpage.htm

            Twyla Ramos’ son, Malcolm, was diagnosed with Williams Syndrome at the age of 19 months and with autism at the age of 9 years. Malcolm always displayed a lot of self-stimming behavior but was so affectionate that his parents did not believe he was autistic. After he was diagnosed with autism, Twyla and her husband Manuel were surprised to learn that autism and Williams Syndrome share a lot of gastro-intestinal and food-related issues. Since beginning the gluten & casein free diet, digestive enzymes and probiotics, Malcolm’s chronic diarrhea and enuresis have been cured, enabling him to be toilet trained (at last!).

            That’s our little perserverant friend Twyla. I understand you don’t like it that I called bullsh!t on her little tale of woe. Now ask me if IGAF.

          • Sonja Henie

            Thank you very much for that, Kathy. Maybe it will put an end to this crazy circular argument!

          • JoeFarmer

            It really is amazing how stupid you are.

          • NoToGMOs

            I couldn’t hold a candle to you in that department.

          • JoeFarmer

            More derp from you. Yay!

          • NoToGMOs

            Do you have anything to say on the topic of vaccines?

          • JoeFarmer

            Yes.

          • NoToGMOs

            And…that’s about the extent of it. Thought as much. I guess you’re here to provide the entertainment.

          • JoeFarmer

            No, I’m here to point out and laugh at your stupidity.

          • NoToGMOs

            Yes, I’m sure you would have delighted us with your superior scientific knowledge about vaccines if I hadn’t shown up on this thread.

          • JoeFarmer

            Just can’t stop derping, can you?

      • Twylaa

        I don’t spam.

        • Brian

          By definition, you do.

        • Ron Roy

          I’ve had a lot of posts deleted. The truth scares the h _ ll out of the pro poison crowd.

    • Sonja Henie

      Oh, bullshyt, Twylaa, la, la, la! At Harvard, 59 cases among 20,000 students and who knows how many faculty and staff. Even if all students were vaxxed, “fully vaccinated” against mumps in MA means 1 dose. Even assuming ALL cases were in students, which they weren’t, the vax was 99.8% effective in preventing mumps. Terrible vaccine there, yeah.

      • Abbie K

        Ony 59 cases. That’s actually pretty good. Imagine if those kids at Harvard had not been vaccinated

    • What’s the outcome of that case?

  • Brooke Dunne

    Although the overall percentage of Texas children who are unvaccinated is still very small …”

    According to the Texas Education Agency, over 5 million children were enrolled in Texas public schools for the 2014-15 school year.

    The article states “45,000 non-medical exemptions were made last school year.”

    Quick back of the envelope calculation, 45,000 divided by 5 million. Wow. Less than 1%. That’s not small, it’s a rounding error. Why are we even letting these idiots control public health policy?

    • V Michelle Thomas

      It is called a vote and we don’t vote politicians in who control every breath we take! Go to California and if you have kids let them fill them up with all the vaccines according to the schedule and get back on this thread and tell me how you faired!

      • Michael McCarthy

        ” and tell me how you faired!”
        *chuckle* Are there lots of fairs in CA to come back and talk about?
        “It is called a vote and we don’t vote politicians in who control every breath we take!”
        Didn’t Rick Perry try to mandate HPV vaccination for girls? Well, there goes that theory of yours.

        • V Michelle Thomas

          That vain attempt of Perry was short lived! For the record, I did not vote for him- Repuginicans did!!

          • Michael McCarthy

            And yet he was re-elected after that. Weird.

      • Wilson James

        My three kids took all their vaccines regularly. Seems they faired pretty well with one doctorate and two masters degrees. All three are competitive runners and cyclists.

  • forvaccinesafety

    I got the impression the author, Leif Reigstad, didn’t view the video
    http://youtu.be/Pi9PNKW7w3Q

    • Lol, Nico Lahood the criminal criminal prosecutor. Who gives a F what he thinks? Is he a scientist? He knows nothing about science. Apparently, his god will help him! I guess god wasn’t watching when he was caught dealing Ecstasy! So ironic he implores others to get educated, then preaches stupid bible verses.

  • Brian

    Dear anti-vaxxers:
    Gullible people falling for a hoax or conspiracy is not evidence that the conspiracy is true.

    Some of you still don’t understand this.

  • VikingAPRNCNP
    • forvaccinesafety

      So guess the testimony about the Merck scientist and his Nurse wife choosing to not vaccinate their 4 kids was tough for you to hear.
      that they didn’t feel it was safe.

      • VikingAPRNCNP

        Sources?

        • forvaccinesafety

          https://youtu.be/Pi9PNKW7w3Q
          its in the video that the article discusses.

          • A youtube video featuring a criminal politician being interviewed by a member of the Wakefraud Moron Minions is NOT a source. ffs

          • forvaccinesafety

            Lol, a prosecutor who went on to defeat a 16 year Republican incumbent in Texas, no small feat.
            Ms Clinton should sit down with D.A. LaHood, he’s going to be an important part of the political scene for a long time to come.

          • Regardless of your highly questionable ethics, he still knows dick about science, and thus, his opinion here is irrelevant. I guess it’s Florida’s turn to try to out-embarrass TX in this ongoing competition.

          • ~ liz ~

            LaHood won his election by 47 votes.

            It’s good to see the time-honored tradition of stuffing the ballot box is alive and well in Texas.

          • ~ liz ~

            Is anyone keeping a scorecard of how many of this troll’s predictions turn out to be crap?

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            They are entitled to make bad choices for themselves but not for their children.

            The point remains that probably 99.9 % of public health specialists endorse vaccination as the single best primary prevention measure against diseases that maim and kill.

          • forvaccinesafety

            Until those “public health specialists” can predict who will be injured or killed by a vaccine, they don’t get to make what could be a “bad decision” for anyone else.

          • bpatient

            Actually, the US Supreme Court long ago ruled that public health specialists acting through the state’s police powers are able to make and enforce vaccine-related decisions for the public.

          • They can, dear – that is the point of *medical exemptions*.

            Now, until you can predict who will be injured or killed by a disease, you don’t get to make what is probably a “bad decision” for anyone else.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            The reality is that an individual is far more likely to be struck By lightning than experience a table injury. You have a very bad case of nirvana fallacy.

            Wild Measles
            1 to 2 per thousand will die
            Another 2 to 3 per thousand will suffer permanent cognitive or sensory disability.

            Vs

            It is truly monstrous to think that 1 suspected injury per million from a vaccination is a worse outcome.

          • And *certainly* not entitled to make bad choices for the other children in the school!

      • So….Merck’s reliable when it agrees with you?

  • Twylaa

    Many of my comments are now flagged as, “Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by Texas Monthly.”

    Moderators, please review and approve my comments. There is nothing inappropriate in them. A healthy debate is all-American – what this country is all about.

    • Brian

      Spamming is against the TOS.

      It’s rather amusing that graceds (aka forvaccinesafety), who has also been banned from several sites for spamming and abuse, immediately upvoted this post.

      • Twylaa

        My comments aren’t spam.

        • kfunk937

          Spammers get kicked off of disqus too, Twylaa. It isn’t just for Daily Kos any more.

          • Reality022

            I wonder if that would apply to the hoards of Vaxxed movie spammers that appear on every vaccine related article and spam and shill that everyone needs to see that cartoon whether it has anything to do with the topic or not.

            Online magazine posts an article about vaccines or school starting and the requirements, etc. and next thing you know the comments are inundated with a legion of Wakefraud minions spamming his latest money-making scheme – his vid Vaxxed.

            I think that qualifies as ultraspam.

          • kfunk937

            Why, yes. Yes it does. Particularly noticeable on this article, at ground zero for St Andy and curbie-ism (poor Texas). So we get the local zealots in addition to the flying monkey squad that descends on every article when the bat signal goes out.

          • Reality022

            funky said, “curbie-ism”

            I’m assuming you mean ‘curebie-ism’ – the delusion of those that think they cure instead of the beliefs of those who line the edge of the street (curb)?

            Have fun.

          • kfunk937

            Curebie, yes.

            Once again, my spellnig sux rox.

          • forvaccinesafety

            Daily Kos removes comments for its own bias.

        • Brian

          By definition, they are.

          Why are anti-vaxxers so oblivious?

        • Sonja Henie

          You don’t get it, do you? Instead of ONE anti-vax copy pasta in response to someone else, you top post 3-4 at a time about the same subject! That’s spamming!

    • Sonja Henie

      Sucks to be you, Twylaa.

      • Maybe we could get AD to send her a box of tissues.

      • shygirl75158

        Naw, I think it sucks to be you.

    • Ron Roy

      Someone fears the truth.

  • bsroon

    Research proves that you don’t need to have the vaccine ingredients cause autism. It is caused in mice and other lab animals by increasing IL-6 levels, interleukin – 6. All you need to do this is stimulate the immune system heavily – like with vaccines – and some of the more susceptible people will become autistic.

    Before i get into the autism aspect a touch deeper for you “JABBERS” here – you vaxassination proponents – get a grip and realize that vaccines also cause polio, Guillain Barre’ Syndrome, varieties of paralysis and neurological disorders and death. i’m sure i missed a lot of damages -after all, the govt has paid out over $3,000,000,000 as “awards” in cases where it was proven that the vaccines killed and damaged people.

    Okay silly ones – your autism moment – OF the hundreds or more cases in which VACCINES WERE PROVEN TO HAVE CAUSED NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGE – there were EIGHTY TWO CASES IN WHICH THE VACCINE INDUCED NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGES INCLUDE AUTISM – so shut up fools.

    Explain why a DTaP vaccine insert states that an adverse event one may experience after the DTaP vaccine is autism. Derp. If there were NO association it would list other non-issues like being eaten by sponge monsters on Thursday mornings while jogging uphill.

    As for that tired line about people need to be vaccinated so that it protects others – we have ample proof that you cannot even get immunity from vaccines, much less herd immunity. What the JABBER fans call “immunity” is at BEST a temporary protection. True immunity is permanent – like what you would get if you had the measles naturally as a child instead of short circuiting the immune system and inducing an unhealthy response. One which is IMPOSSIBLE for biochemical reasons – to induce herd immunity. Not convinced because someone you don’t know but were told is an authority told you.

    Look up the history of the S Korean chicken pox issue. In 2005 the S Koreans started increasing their chicken pox vax compliance rates in several stages. EVERY TIME they increased vaccination rates, the disease numbers and outbreaks INCREASED! Currently they are estimated to have 97% vax compliance with children under 18 months, and 95% with the general populace.

    Their chicken pox is triple it’s 2005 rates. This is a variation of the Canadian Flu Paradox, where we find that when a segment of a population has increased vaccinations – the disease increases IN THAT SEGMENT OF POPULATION.

    • Brian

      The unvaccinated develop autism at the same rate as the vaccinated, so it’s obvious that vaccines don’t cause it.

      Also, you should learn the meaning of the term adverse event.

      • Twylaa

        There’s no large scale study comparing autism rates among the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

          • shygirl75158

            Who funded those studies – if they are indeed real studies. Please post the links to the studies and show who funded them.

          • Brian

            Not funded by industry. What’s your next excuse?

          • shygirl75158

            You didn’t post the links to them so we can check it out. You act as if everyone should just take your word for it. Your word is worth diddly squat. You could just be living out your fantasy as you are a shut in who is on his fifth supersized malt.

          • Brian

            A few seconds with google scholar would help you find them.
            Heaven forbid you have to put in a tiny bit of effort!

          • lmfao! “if they are real studies!” Not everyone needs to make up stories to support their narrative. Those people tend to be on the pro-science, pro-vaccine side.

            The studies would be simple for you to look up from the meme, but I’ll spoon feed you again. By the way, IDGAF who funded them. Show evidence of fraud (like your hero, Wakefraud), or just be quiet.

            Summary of the studies comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated populations

            German study on lower rates of asthma among the vaccinated http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(13)01860-5/abstract

            Another German study: prevalence of allergic diseases and non-specific infections in children and adolescents was not found to depend on vaccination status. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3057555/

            Philippine study on cognitive benefits from vaccines: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00036846.2011.566203#.VM4Ni2TF8o

            Pregnant women who are vaccinated have better birth outcomes compared to non-vaccinated mothers, three studies: http://www.cmaj.ca/content/186/4/E157.long,

            http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f393.long

            and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20630123.

            update from 2016, study of 60 000 women finds flu vaccine cuts stillbirths by half: http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2016/03/10/cid.ciw082.abstract

            A 2013 meta-analysis finds the flu vaccine may lower the risk of heart attack http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1758749

            Comparing unvaccinated and vaccinated people who do catch the flu – vaccinated people are protected from the most serious effects: http://www.atsjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1164/rccm.201401-0066LE#.VSfg-ZSUcoa

          • Ron Roy

            Yeah studies conducted and financed by drug companies and we all know they don’t lie. LOL

          • If they lied, the study results would not be reproducible. So unless you have proof of fraud, ya know, like in Wakefield’s case, then you’ve got nothing but baseless paranoia and conspiracy theories.

          • PK

            Cute studies. If you like small sample sizes and questionable methodology.

          • Hahahaha! This from a person who thinks Wakefraud was a victim. What was his sample size in that retracted POS? 12?

            The listed studies include between 2,000 and 60,000. Exactly what statistical strength are you looking for? Be specific, since you obviously did not look at these papers.

          • PK

            You do know how easy it is to look up these studies? Tell me a little about the size of the un-vaxed controls? Then please tell me if by “un-vaxed” you really mean “had all the other vaccines but the one being studied?” And then tell me about how the data was collected. Parent questionnaires? Lmao. If the same standards were being used to prove vaccines were causing autism, you would have a fit.

          • Deflection noted. Have a nice day.

        • Brian

          Lurkers take note:
          Several large-scale studies have been shown to Twylaa, like Taylor et al. (2014) which included 1.2 million children, but because she is a anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist, she denies any facts that proves her wrong.

          • NoToGMOs

            Please provide link to said study or at least provide the title of this Taylor et al (2014) study.

          • JoeFarmer

            Too stupid to use Google, huh?

          • Brian

            A google scholar search with the lead author, year of publication, and paper topic is enough for you to find it within seconds, but here it is- “Vaccines are not associated with autism: An evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort studies”

      • bsroon

        Actually, they don’t.

        You may not be aware of this, but in drug testing today (vaccines are toxic drugs) there is hardly ever any true placebo. Not in the sense of the old “sugar pill” or inert substance. When drug dealers (vax mfgrs) test their vaccines they do NOT use an inert substance like saline solution or something non-damaging. They use toxic cocktails with aluminum and other poisons without the pathogen

        Therefore, all testing for vaccines actually is testing against other vaccines. When they then report the same level of damages, it is not good science by any stretch of the imagination.

        This is one reason why the Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine’s head editors have stated that 50% of all studies published today are worthless. Bad methodology, bad conclusions which frequently are not supported by the data, and the largest GROUP of issues – varying types of outright FRAUD in the studies.

        • Vaccines are toxic drugs??? Lmfao. You have a real talent to just barf out misinformation, debunked tropes, and outright lies, don’t you?

          • shygirl75158

            There are numerous toxins in them and no synergistic toxicological safety studies were done.

          • Lol @ “toxins.” You people just don’t get it.

          • Michael McCarthy

            I always get a kick out of the rampant use of synergistic.

      • shygirl75158

        That’s not true.

        • Brian

          What isn’t true, and why do you think it isn’t true?

      • PK

        You keep saying that. Where’s the proof? Oh you don’t have any.

        • Brian

          Lurkers take note: PK and other anti-reality conspiracy theorists have made this comment multiple times. I’ve provided several studies like the list below as evidence. The typical response is outright denial.

          They’ll say the studies were funded by the vaccine industry (they weren’t). They’ll say the studies were all done by the same corrupt organization (they’re independently replicated).
          They’ll say the studies never looked at any vaccines besides the MMR (they did).
          They’ll say the studies never looked at vaccines in combination (they do). They’ll undoubtably come up with other excuses to deny reality.

          And a few months from now, PK will be back regurgitating the same nonsense.
          These are just those I’ve read. I’m sure there’s more.

          -Taylor et al. (1999) studied 498 children in the UK showing no difference in autism rates or age at ASD development based on vaccination
          -Makela et al. (2001) studied 500,000 children in Finland showing no difference in autism rates or age at ASD development based on vaccination -Madsen et al. (2002) studied 500,000 children in Denmark showing no difference in autism rates or age at ASD development based on vaccination -Hviid et al. (2003) studied 450,000 children in Denmark showing no difference in autism based on thimerosal in vaccines
          -Verstraeten et al. (2003) studied 125,000 children in the U.S. showing no difference in autism and other disorders based on thimerosal in vaccines -Miller et al. (2004) studied 100,000 children in the UK and found no difference in autism and several other disorders based on thimerosal in vaccines
          -DeStefano et al. (2004) studied 2,500 children in the U.S. showing no difference in autism rates based on vaccination
          -Smeeth et al. (2004) studied 5000 people in the UK and found no difference in autism and several other disorders based on vaccination
          -Honda et al. (2005) studied 300,000 people in Japan showing no difference in autism rates based on vaccination
          -Fombonne et al. (2006) studied 28,000 children in Canada showing no difference in autism rates and other developmental disorders based on vaccination
          -Richler et al. (2006) studied 300 people with autism in the U.S. and found no difference in regressive autism rates based on vaccination -Uchiyama et al. (2007) studied 900 people with autism in Japan and found no difference in regressive autism rates based on vaccination
          -Price et al. (2010) and DeStefano et al. (2013) studied 1000 children in the U.S. and found no difference in either classical or regressive autism rates, or other forms of ASD, based on thimerosal or other ingredients in vaccines
          -Kuwaik et al. (2014) studied autism rates among those who had older siblings with autism, showing no difference based on vaccination even with genetic predispositions to autism
          -Jain et al. (2015) replicated the study with far more people and got the same result
          -Baxter et al. (2015) showed that, when using the same diagnosis criteria, the autism rate was the same 25 years ago as it is today
          -Gadad et al. (2015) showed no difference in autism rates in rhesus monkeys based on vaccination, and their brains were dissected just to make certain. Also, this study was funded by anti-vaccine groups

          Conclusion: There’s overwhelming evidence that the unvaccinated develop autism at the same rate as the vaccinated, so it’s obvious that vaccines don’t cause it. If you have evidence that contradicts everything here, then I suggest you submit your research to a high-impact journal for peer review.

          • forvaccinesafety

            You are seriously using the vaccine whistleblower study, DeStefano 2004, to say vaccines don’t cause autism?
            “This is a lawyer that was reading through these documents that had never seen them before. And I basically was telling this guy I was complicit, and I went along with this, we did not report significant findings. Ya know, I’m not proud of that and uh, it’s probably, it’s the lowest point in my career that I went along with that paper.”
            CDC scientist, Dr William Thompson

          • Brian

            You are seriously using the vaccine whistleblower hoax!?! That conspiracy was debunked two years ago. Only the most gullible and ignorant are holding on to it now.

            And gracie, if Wakefield’s manufacturoversy had any merit, then this study wouldn’t be repeatable. But it was replicated, several times, so obviously you’re choosing to remain ignorant.

          • forvaccinesafety

            “17. On or about September 3, 2002, I informed Dr. Melinda Wharton, the Division Chief for the
            Branch I worked in, that we had concerning results from the MMR-Autism Study that we would
            like to discuss with her. ”
            CDC scientist Dr William Thompson
            written statement to Congress

          • Brian

            William Thomspon said no data was destroyed.
            William Thomspon said the association was socioeconomic factors and not vaccines. (That was the “concerning results”)
            Once the confounders were included, the association disappeared
            Brian Hooker’s paper was retracted for fraud

            Only the most gullible and ignorant are still clinging to the hoax.

          • forvaccinesafety

            From Thompson’s letter to CDC director Dr Gerberding:
            Feb 2 2004
            Dear Dr Gerberding,
            “We’ve not yet met to discuss these matters, but I’m sure you’re aware of the Institute of Medicine Meeting regarding vaccines and autism that will take place on Feb 9.
            I will be presenting the summary of our results from the Metropolitan Atlanta Autism Case-Control Study and I will have to present several problematic results relating to the statistical association between the receipt of MMR vaccine and autism.”

          • Brian

            “I will have to present several problematic results relating to the statistical association between the receipt of MMR vaccine and autism”
            And what were those problematic results…?

            If you’re an anti-reality conspiracy theorist, then it MUST BE THE VACCINES!!1!

            If you’re a rational person, you find that socionomic factors confounded the categories because poor kids with autism had to get vaccinated to qualify for autism support programs. This is acknowledged by William Thompson and Brian Hooker in their phone conversations, and completely contradicts the claims made in your silly conspiracy videos.

            Thanks again, for proving my point!

          • forvaccinesafety

            “I was involved in deceiving millions of taxpayers regarding the potential negative side effects of vaccines. I regret what I did.”
            Dr. William Thompson email to Dr. Brian Hooker, August 11, 2014

          • Brian

            August 11 2014 was before it was exposed that Hooker did the math wrong in his fraudulent paper.
            Thompson can be forgiven for being deceived by the con man.

          • PK

            The only conclusion is that you don’t know what “unvaccinated” means.

          • Brian

            As I predicted- “The typical response is outright denial.”

    • Lol, you site did cram a lot of misinformation and unsupported assumptions into that post, cowboy.

      Lol, all you have to do is…

      Right.

      • bsroon

        Liar. Look it up. There are 82 “awards” (like someone won something) for autism and neurological damages paid out by the VICP. So your denial is simply that: an (inaccurate) denial and not reflective of what has happened.

        So mr. genius – you didn’t look up the S Korean issue either obviously because i’ve gone around and around with a virologist on this one. He claims that the problem is that the S Korean chicken pox vaccine isn’t as effective as the US version – he claims only 79% effectiveness and that with such low effectiveness it prevents herd immunity.

        So let’s forget that vaccines have never caused herd immunity, never can, never will – at least for a minute and pretend that the 79% effectiveness rating is true since we have no reason to doubt this scientist.

        Logic would state that if you have a population in which virtually everyone is vaccinated – and that the vaccines used were 79% effective, there would be 79% protection. Check. Now – when there were way fewer vaccines being used prior to 2005 – HOW COULD THE RATES BE LOWER! If there is more protection than the alleged no protection of pre-2005 – there should at least be lower chicken pox rates and outbreaks, but we find the opposite to be true. Tripled.

        This is NOT consistent with improved vaccination with a 79% effectiveness rate.

        The point Vaxassination Theologians forget is that when you are dealing with these diseases, they really aren’t a big deal for the most part. Yes, you like to use statistics and incidences from Chad or someplace where people are drinking from mud puddles with animal feces in it, suffering from malnourishment, and then applying those death stats to the USA as though our situations are one and the same. Your cousins in the GMOron industry point out that there are low levels of Vitamin A so they “need to grow golden rice” instead of doing something intelligent and growing a different plant WITH vitamin A, or buying supplements for a couple dollars/year instead of destroying the planet with GMOs.

        Reason i bring up vitamin A? Because in the 1930s it was known that vitamin A supplementation for measles reduces the risk of damage and decreases the severity and duration of the infection and uncomfortable stages. So measles is to degree A NUTRITIONAL DEFICIENCY ISSUE.

        Like so many of these diseases you pretend that each and every case is life threatening or permanent disability imposing – and ignore reality. When is the last person in the US killed by measles or chicken pox? Don’t even go to whooping cough since the vaccinated are the asymptomatic carriers of the disease (proven) and the factor making the disease MORE virulent and damaging. And yet, there are unvaccinated people getting whooping cough – the nasty new mutation – and surviving nicely, as the vaccinated get the same disease and have a hell of a time getting over it usually.

        i went through measles, chicken pox, mumps and who knows what else. They were welcome because i wanted to get out of school, lol. Hated it at Chicago Southwest Christian School, lol.

        Unlike the vaccinated – likely yourself included – i have true immunity. So i went through a few days of light fever, rash, sore throats and discomfort and have permanent protection which has held through multiple exposures. YOU don’t. You CAN’T. If you get one of those illnesses they are a definite, serious threat to your health because you didn’t do what nature has worked out over the millenium.

        Nobody ever said that you should never have a sniffle, bruise, fever, minor illness, or boo-boo in life. There is no reason to panic because someone has a mumps case. (like 2015 in Ohio where the infected turned out to be 97% vaccinated for “protection” against the mumps – but it DIDN’T WORK and they got it…)

        Look at Harvard mumps earlier – they had people getting mumps shots left and right (literally, lol – too damn many holes on one arm) with some students getting 3 shots and STILL getting the mumps. The shots DO NOT WORK AS ADVERTISED, do they?

        • Sorry chief, but I stopped reading after “There are 82 “awards” (like someone won something) for autism and neurological damages paid out by the VICP.”
          This is meaningless, as there is no proof of causation, AND, you forgot to include a denominator in your little equation. I’ve posted this before, but let me post again. I’ll even work out the math for you:Finally, I don’t know why you keep going back to MMR. My numbers above refer to total number of vaccines given. Let me repost it here:

          Total number of vaccines distributed, 2006 through 2014 = 2,532,428,541

          Total number of vaccine injury awards during that period = 2,140

          Total amount of vaccine injury awards during that period = $1,306,003,930

          Vaccine injury awards per million doses of vaccines distributed, FY 2006-FY 2014 = 0.85

          Oh, and it’s Dr. Genius to you.

          • forvaccinesafety

            The 82 cases were documented in Pace Environmental Law Review,
            “Unanswered Questions from the Vaccine Injury
            Compensation Program: A Review of Compensated Cases of Vaccine-Induced Brain Injury”
            The study showed compensation of encephalopathy and seizure disorders associated with autism since the inception of the program.

            http://digitalcommons.pace.edu/pelr/vol28/iss2/6/

          • So? What’s your point? How does this address my comment?

          • bpatient

            As I indicated in a response to bsroon, such cases have been shown to be due to pre-existing mutations rather than to vaccination. Such mutations cause similar syndromes to emerge after a period of apparently normal development (as in babies) in unvaccinated laboratory animals.

            The lawyers who wrote the PACE review were either unable to understand the scientific evidence, didn’t bother to look for it, or chose to ignore it, since their article appeared years after the evidence refuted their anti-vaccine position.

          • kfunk937

            This article published in a student-run law review has been heavily scrutinised and found to be, shall we say, lacking. A summary of criticisms may be found here.

          • bpatient

            You might be interested in checking PubMed for articles that are related to encephalopathy. You might, for example, begin with “The Myth of Vaccine Encephalopathy” and continue to investigations that show that cases like those that were dredged up by in the Pace Environmental Law Review team that could not understand or did not bother to consider the scientific evidence that refuted their position; Dravet syndrome would be a good place to start before you move on to various other genetic channelopathies. The position of the authors of the PACE review–like your position–is simply unsupportable. Just read the literature. It’s freely available. See, for example:

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2603512/
            http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=381171

        • And because there might be lurkers interested in (rather than resistant to) actual facts, here is an explanation of herd immunity thresholds:
          http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/herd-immunity.html

          • Sonja Henie

            Bookmarked! Thank You!

          • What are the odds that @bsroon will read any of those citations?

          • Sonja Henie

            Slim to none.

        • bpatient

          “Now – when there were way fewer [varicella] vaccines being used prior to 2005 – HOW COULD THE RATES [for varicella] BE LOWER!

          Most people would be able to understand that the number of reported varicella cases in South Korea would increase after the disease was made reportable South Korea in 2005. Just sayin’

          • bsroon

            Wow. South Korea couldn’t report chicken pox prior to 2005 – increased vax rates and magically could. What an interesting world you live in. Makes one wonder how they knew how many cases they’d started out with if they weren’t “reportable”.

            Sophistry – as in distorted non-truth…?

          • bpatient

            When I indicated that “most people would be able to understand” the consequences associated with making a disease officially reportable, it was implied that not everyone would understand–as you’ve demonstrated.

    • bpatient

      1. You don’t understand the DTaP package insert. It clearly indicates that the development of autism was among the events that were reported to have occurred at some time after vaccination. If you don’t understand that that doesn’t indicate a causal relationship, consider that SIDS, like autism, is included in the list of post-exposure events included in the VAERS database and reported in the package insert. Note that VAERS explicitly indicates that inclusion of events in the database does not imply a causal relationship; note also that Sudden Infant Deaths are by definition NOT attributed to any specific cause, so inclusion along with autism in that list clearly shows that events that have not been shown to be caused by the vaccine are included.

      2. The “eighty two cases” you cite involve seizure disorders with the emergence of symptoms of autism; most involve the whole cell pertussis vaccine, while a few involve MMR. Such cases were investigated by independent groups of investigators and shown to be due to pre-exisiting mutations rather than vaccination. (Most such seizures occur without temporal proximity to vaccination and go on to developmental regression and ASD-like condtions.) Such mutations cause similar syndromes to develop after a period of apparently normal development in unvaccinated laboratory rats. The US Court of Federal Claims (“Vaccine Court”) has recently rejected compensation in similar cases now that the evidence shows that vaccines are not involved, although some such cases may still be compensated-despite the evidence–because the initial emergence of a genetically-mediated seizure might happen to occur within a specified time window and thus qualify as a table injury.

      • forvaccinesafety

        5 cases of autism in the clinical trials of Infanrix, undisclosed until Confidential Glaxo documents surfaced in an Italian court case.

        • bpatient

          As I recall, roughly 36,000 children received the vaccine in Infanrix clinical trials. Why should anyone be surprised that at least 5 of those children developed autism?

          • forvaccinesafety

            They hid it.

          • bpatient

            And now we know that at least one out of every 7,200 children in the trials developed ASD at some time. Strong work.

          • Brian

            Are you implying that vaccines prevent autism? 1 in 7,200 is extremely low according to today’s definition.

          • forvaccinesafety

            I think there are multiple associations in addition to vaccines, and other safety issues with vaccines.
            Here is one case from the trials, for example
            Epilepsy, Grand mal convulsion, Loss of consciousness, Gaze palsy, Cyanosis, Pyrexia, Salivary hypersecretion, Somnolence, Hyperaemia, Escherichia urinary
            tract infection, Electroencephalogram abnormal,
            Drooling, Tremor, Muscle spasms, Partial seizures,
            Italy (Haemangioma, Mental impairment)

          • Brian

            How cute!
            Graceds knows 2 things:
            1) How to move the goalposts
            2) How to copy/paste from conspiracy websites!

          • forvaccinesafety

            that was from the Glaxo document, lol.

          • Brian

            … but you didn’t copy/paste it from the document, did you gracie?

            You copy/pasted it from crank anti-vax sites. (The actual document doesn’t have the same grammar and doesn’t list “Italy” as an adverse event, but anti-vax conspiracy pages do!)

            Why do anti-vaxxers lie so much?

            Lurkers take note: Note how graceds (aka forvaccinesafety) deceptively uses cherry-picked “adverse events”, which by definition are make no claims to being caused by vaccines, and uses it to try to vilify vaccination. It just goes to show that anti-vaxxers are dishonest at every turn.

          • forvaccinesafety

            I copied from the Glaxo document.

          • Brian

            Dishonest at EVERY turn!

            Do you still believe that “Italy” is caused by vaccines?

            Also, do you understand the following statement from your own source- “No serious adverse events were considered by the investigator to be causally related to vaccination.”

            Thanks again, for showing that anti-vaxxers are dishonest at every turn.

          • You mean truthinfodotinfo isn’t reputable? Do you mean “Putin says he has proof of Princess Diana being killed by British Royal Family” isn’t legit?

          • bpatient

            Indeed, while “Graceds knows 2 things,” Graceds does not know many other things, including how to interpret clinical data.

          • shygirl75158

            And yet, when the number of worldwide deaths form measles is low –0.00384% of the world population, and in 2012 in the world only 0.000017% died, you use that to incite FEAR to sell vaccines. You like to play the stats to suit your agenda.

          • Brian

            That’s still a lot higher than the rate of injuries from vaccines…

            And yet you’re constantly fear-mongering about imaginary vaccine injuries.

          • kfunk937

            You might want to recheck those numbers, Haven. As you have written the sentence, there were 22.588 times more deaths from measles (as a percentage of world population, which is idiotic on its face) than there were deaths from all causes in 2012.

            Innumerate and illiterate, too. Congratulations.

          • Sonja Henie

            How do you know about it, then?

          • Reality022

            Zuper sekrit Obama Approved Whistleblowers?

            Hidden by Big pHARMa but revealed on billboards by the NWO Aluminutty because all Evil Overlords publicly reveal their misdeeds and future plans, just like in comic books and cheesy Hollywood movies?

            Remote viewing?

            Microwave Mind Control Thought Implant via HAARP?

            Delusions?

      • Ron Roy

        SIDS is caused by vaccines.In the 60’s and 70’s doctor Archie Kalokerinos, who was in charge of a reserve for Aborigines, saw as many as half the aboriginal babies die after being vaccinated, After much research and with the help of Glen Dettman, a pathologist and medical examiner, he realized they were borderline scorbutic and the vaccine depleted what little vitamin C they had leading to shock and death. After supplementing them with vitamin C before vaccinating none of them died.

        • bpatient

          Actually, a much more recent meta-analysis of SIDS deaths showed that vaccination halves the rate. [Vaccine. 2007;25(26):4875.] Other studies also refute your position. BTW, if an aboriginal child in the 69s and 70s, due to inadequate diet, was unable to safely respond to a vaccine, how would it have responded to the immune challenge posed by vaccine-preventable infection? Oh, wait. We know.

        • Reality022

          Yep.
          Vitamin C, coconut oil and hemp oil are magic. They cure everything and solve every problem. It’s amazing what you can learn on teh internets from highly credible high school dropouts, bible studies scholars, and NuAge gurus.

          You don’t happen to have any citations to ol’ Archie’s “research” published in a 1st tier scientific/medical journal, do you? I mean, anyone can say “Vitamin C cures xxxxx” but providing solid evidence for that statement is another thing altogether.

          I don’t want to see citations to obscure journals for nursing students or anything like that. That wouldn’t be very credible for ol’ Archie’s work, would it?

          • shygirl75158

            so instead of those natural things, you think toxic vaccines are the panacea??? sounds like witchcraft to me.

          • Michael McCarthy

            “so instead of those natural things, you think toxic vaccines are the panacea??? sounds like witchcraft to me.”
            Oh, delicious irony. Witchcraft was used as a scapegoat to explain things people didn’t understand.

          • kfunk937

            Roughly 39 of 40 that I found for Dettman in PubMed were in a single journal, Australasian Nurses J, and many of those were letters. The results were similar for Kalokerinos (25 of 28); the three in Med J Aust document observations that treatment of Vitamin A deficient children with measles improved survival rates. Apparently from that he concluded that germ theory was wrong and Vit C would save the world. Thus he was “known” for orthomolecular “medicine,” although it appears that he stopped publishing circa 1983.

          • Reality022

            Yeah, I know.
            That’s why I said to Ronny, “I don’t want to see citations to obscure journals for nursing students or anything like that.”

            It doesn’t get much more obscure than Australian Archie and the Journal of Australasian Nurses which isn’t published and hasn’t been published since the 1980s IIRC.

            Archie & partner were Australian quacks and crackpots at least back to the time of Crocodile Dundee.

            Most times I don’t ask an opponent a question unless I already know the answer. It’s a debating technique that Nico LaHood should learn and that I thought was Being A Lawyer 101. He obviously forgot that rule when it comes to voicing his ignorance of science.

          • Ron Roy

            The journals you love to quote are bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical industry ( you know the people who pay you) and they wouldn’t allow anything to be published in those rags that would interfere with their profits.

          • Yeah? Where’s your publication list, troll?

          • Jonathan Graham

            We’ve already disproved this Ron. Articles critical of pharmaceuticals and vaccines have no problem getting printed. It’s really about putting in the work from a research perspective – which is why the number of researchers who’s work has gotten vaccines removed from the market is infinitely greater than the number of people like yourself (zero).

        • kfunk937

          Now it’s official, Moby Dick.

          Kalokerinos & Dettman are enshrined with their own page at whale. Germ theory denialists, among other things.

          • Ron Roy

            Kalokerinos & Dettman are HEROES.Men who fought the system when the MEDICAL MAFIA in Australia didn’t care about the aboriginal people they stood up and fought for them. How dare you speak badly about them! They were men who couldn’t be bought. You know about people who are bought don’t you?

          • kfunk937

            TFYS, Moby.

          • kfunk937

            Your “hero” defended a murderer as a paid “expert” in a shaken baby case, claiming vaccine injury, so apparently he could be bought. He also thought that vaccination was eugenics and that HIV was introduced in vaccines. That’s disgusting, all of it.

            You sure know how to pick ’em, don’t you Moby?

          • Disgusting people.

    • bpatient

      South Korea exclusively used a home-grown varicella vaccine (Suduvax (Green Cross)) that is plainly ineffective. In contrast, the US quickly brought the varicella attack rate down with a single-dose regimen of a different vaccine, and that vaccine (now given in two doses) reduces severe cases by about 97% and any disease presentation by about 85%.

      Some products, including some vaccines, are simply better than others. (For example, my current Acura and Mercedes models are plainly superior to my old Chevy Vega.) Was that your point?

      • forvaccinesafety

        and some are “unsafe at any speed”.

        • Sonja Henie

          Another bumperstickerism, eh, gracie?

      • Michael McCarthy

        “my old POS Chevy Vega”
        But it is the little car that grows on you and was once called “The best handling passenger car ever built in America” by Road and Track.

        • bpatient

          I suppose that the aluminum block in your Vega didn’t crack.

          • Michael McCarthy

            oh god, I never owned one. I did have a 1985 Renault Alliance. Now that was a POS.

          • JoeFarmer

            Geez, the only thing worse than a Renault is a Renault built by AMC…my sympathies.

          • Michael McCarthy

            Well, Renault actually built some good cars for the French market, especially their higher end stuff. What they sold here was basically the French knock-off of AMC but a little more stylish.

    • shygirl75158

      Bravo!

  • JGC

    Shygirl, I have one simple question for you: can you offer any actual evidence demonstrating the risk associated with routine childhood vaccination exceeds the risks associated with remaining vulnerable to the infectious diseases they protect against?

    • shygirl75158

      Evidently you don’t get out much. Look around. Vaccine injured kids are everywhere. I’m not going to sit here at list every abstract or paper I’ve read. Do your own research. You post the INDEPENDENT studies you’ve read and volunteer your vaccine record for all to see. Until we see how “up to date” YOU are with the current schedule, anything you say is moot.

      • Brian

        In other words, you have zero actual evidence.

        • Ron Roy

          ”In other words, you have zero actual evidence.” Another overused sound bite.

          • Brian

            A very simple and direct question was asked.

            The response was a very obvious deflection.

          • Then turn up with some and we won’t need to press that button, will we?

        • PK

          Like the evidence that the current vax schedule is safe! LOL. Line up sheeple! It’s safe because pHARMa says it safe!

      • JGC

        Non-substantive response–I’ll repeat my question:

        Can you offer any actual evidence demonstrating the risk associated with routine childhood vaccination exceeds the risks associated with remaining vulnerable to the infectious diseases they protect against?

  • Rachel Flanagan

    Aluminum and glyphosate are in most vaccines and causing harm.
    I used to believe in vaccines until I saw a beautiful two year old destroyed by one.
    Parents read the insert, if your doctor refuses, find another doctor.

    Would you inject aluminum (vaccine-adjuvant ) a neurotoxin into your body?
    Would you inject a tiny bit of weed killer into your body?
    Aluminum is a neurotoxin, as were its adjuvant predecessors, mercury and thermasol.
    Autism is neurological. Connecting any dots?
    Injecting neurotoxins into the body will have negative effects. Fact.

    Remove the neurotoxins, and other ingredients that contain glyphosate (example: egg proteins)
    out of vaccines. CDC schedule is (74 vaccines) 53 jabs by the age of 17. Way too many vaccines.
    Stop one size fits all vaccines, take into consideration the child’s and family medical history.
    If a child seizures, or gets a high fever make it a policy to stop vaccinating and review, not push
    more vaccines on a distressed parent and ailing child.

    Common sense and caution must prevail on the vaccine issue.

    • bpatient

      “Aluminum and glyphosate are in most vaccines and causing harm.”

      Honestly, you should at least try to learn something about a topic before you comment. Hint: glyphosphate is an herbicide (think Roundup) and is not a vaccine ingredient.

      • I’m guessing this is the origin:
        http://thesciencepost.com/merck-to-add-glyphosate-to-vaccines-in-huge-deal-with-monsanto/
        It’s like idiots who take Onion articles seriously!

        • bpatient

          Ah, you mean like when China’s People’s Daily ran an adoring 55-photo spread of North Korea’s Kim Jong-Un as the “sexiest man alive” after The Onion noted: “Kim made this newspaper’s editorial board swoon with his impeccable
          fashion sense, chic short hairstyle and, of course, that famous smile.”

          http://www.npr.org/2012/12/01/166293306/the-onion-so-funny-it-makes-us-cry

          Anti-vaxxers are funny, too.

          • I remember that Kim Jong-Un story. But the glyphosate in vaccines is the funniest thing I’ve read in at least a month! I can’t wait to hear the response from @Rachel Flanagan!

      • Rachel Flanagan

        “vaccine makers sometimes use animal byproducts in vaccines, products such as chicken egg protein or gelatine that comes from bones. And if those vaccine makers are using animals that come out of factory farms, chances are they are fed GMO and glyphosate laced feed. If so, they would pick up Glyphosate into their system just as we humans do. Therefore, egg protein and gelatine made from these animals may also contain glyphosate, which in turn would then contaminate the vaccines that use these products. Finally, people, or animals, vaccinated with these products would have glyphosate directly injected into them, and will in due course have glyphosate initiating a cascade of diseases.”

        http://www.tonu.org/2016/08/31/vaccine-glyphosate-link/

        • bpatient

          That’s funny. Please cite credible evidence that such hypothetical glyphosphate concentrations, in your words, “are in most vaccines and causing harm.”

          • Rachel Flanagan

            Nothing funny about glyphosate in vaccines.

            If you bothered to click on the link, you’ll see the parts per million/billion of glyphosate listed next to the drug manufacturers and the vaccine in question.

          • bpatient

            Please show that glyphosphate concentrations in vaccines are “causing harm.”

    • Hahaha! Hilarious!!! Glyphosate in vaccines? Umm, that was a story from a satirical site making fun of clueless anti-vaxxers. Ironic, eh?

      http://thesciencepost.com/merck-to-add-glyphosate-to-vaccines-in-huge-deal-with-monsanto/

      • Rachel Flanagan

        Yes, they’d love us to believe it’s satirical, but of course nothing could be further from the truth.

        “Scientists Anthony Samsel and Stephanie Seneff have just gotten the fifth peer reviewed paper on Glyphosate published. Its named “Glyphosate pathways to modern diseases V: Amino acid analogue of glycine in diverse proteins”. The interview on that has been covered in the previous blog.

        “The latest bombshell to come from Anthony Samsel is from the sixth paper, which is not yet published, but whose supporting data is already making waves – various popular vaccines are contaminated with glyphosate.

        How? Well, vaccine makers sometimes use animal byproducts in vaccines, products such as chicken egg protein or gelatine that comes from bones. And if those vaccine makers are using animals that come out of factory farms, chances are they are fed GMO and glyphosate laced feed. If so, they would pick up Glyphosate into their system just as we humans do. Therefore, egg protein and gelatine made from these animals may also contain glyphosate, which in turn would then contaminate the vaccines that use these products. Finally, people, or animals, vaccinated with these products would have glyphosate directly injected into them, and will in due course have glyphosate initiating a cascade of diseases.

        Anthony Samsel was not passing opinion on this. Rather, he collected vast samples of these popular vaccines and got them tested by multiple labs in USA for presence of Glyphosate, and found, as he suspected, the vaccines to be largely contaminated by it.

        He has already alerted his Senator, as well as various Government and international organizations such as CDC, FDA and WHO.

        What is the situation with Canada? It depends on where the vaccine makers have their plants. I don’t know if they have many in Canada. But the issue remains the same. Vaccine manufacturers might be using animals from factory farms, and may never have considered the issue of glyphosate contamination.” http://www.tonu.org/2016/08/31/vaccine-glyphosate-link/

        • Wow, really? You’re going to go down this road?

          First off, who is “they?” And why do they want me to believe that a satirical article on a satire page is actually satire?

          Your source is Samsel and Seneff? Really? lol! Seneff and Samsel have no expertise in toxicology or agriculture. As discussed a thousand times in these forums, Seneff is a computer scientist while Samsel is a retired consultant. They have been accused in the past of making up studies. Here’s a quick take on that incident:

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tamar-haspel/condemning-monsanto-with-_b_3162694.html

          Either way, the detection levels they recorded were below the parts per *billion* level! The best take I heard on ppb levels is that it’s like adding a pinch of salt to a 10 ton bag of potato chips. No exaggeration.

          You really need better sources for your fear mongering.

          • Rachel Flanagan

            Apologies it should have said Stephanie Seneff.

            “Dr. Stephanie Seneff, research scientist from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), made a dire prediction earlier this month during an event sponsored by the Groton Wellness organization. She said, “At today’s rate, by 2025, one in two children will be autistic.”

            Seneff was leading a presentation that showed a strong correlation between the increased use of Roundup starting in the early 1990’s and the rising number of autism diagnoses over the past three decades. In 1975, 1 in 5,000 children were diagnosed with autism. The current rate is 1 in 68, and it shows no sign of slowing down.”
            http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/12/dr-stephanie-seneff-senior-mit-research-scientiston-vaccine-safety.html

          • bpatient

            “[Seneff] said, “At today’s rate, by 2025, one in two children will be autistic.””

            Indeed, if you, like Seneff, ignore biology and ignore statistics but instead simply extrapolate a rate based entirely on the two recent most recent points on a graph, you can find that at some point in the future five thousand and eleventy-seven percent of children will someday be autistic. Most cognitive beings should be able to understand that that’s embarrassing.

          • Ok, so you might be new to this discussion, so I’ll give you some unsolicited advice: the best way to destroy your credibility is to cite anything from AgeOfAutism. Also, as I said in my previous post, Seneff and Samsel have no expertise in toxicology or agriculture. As discussed a thousand times in these forums, Seneff is a computer scientist while Samsel is a retired consultant. They have been accused in the past of making up studies. They are viewed as cranks in this field. They publish in insignificant, low-impact score journals, and have a nasty habit of publishing junk science. The link I gave you above was one example. This is another, and a textbook example of how correlation does not necessarily equal causation. There are so many fallacies and confounding variables in that analysis, that it can’t possibly be taken seriously. Otherwise, I’d watch out eating organic foods, as their sales also correlate tightly with autism.

            If you’d like to read a blog that would be useful to you, try this:
            http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/12/31/oh-no-gmos-are-going-to-make-everyone-autistic/

          • shay simmons

            “the best way to destroy your credibility is to cite anything from AgeOfAutism.”

            Or whale.to, globalresearch, and naturalnews.

          • Brian

            There’s no faster way to destroy your credibility than citing nonsense conspiracy blogs like AoA.

          • Sonja Henie

            The good doctor may be a whiz at math, but she doesn’t know s*** about life sciences. That is as dumb a statement as “at today’s rate by year X, girls will get their periods at age 2”. H*ll, I learned in beginning stats, which I took at a community college from a grad student, that you can’t extrapolate like that. I have actually seen statements like that!

          • Brian

            As someone who is admittedly very good at math, neither Seneff nor anyone using the same tortuous tactics would get past my peer review.

          • Rachel Flanagan

            I’ll take the research of an MIT Professor who deals in statistics, and has dedicated her life to solving the autism puzzle. Dr. Stephanie Seneff isn’t for sale, I know this must come as a shock, she’s brilliant, as is her “independent” research. Read and learn…

            “What I think people don’t appreciate is that the vaccines and the glyphosate are synergistically toxic. The glyphosate is making the chemicals in the vaccines much more dangerous to the children than they would otherwise be. As I said, the glutamate is very interesting because glyphosate disrupts the body’s ability to metabolize glutamate, so the glutamate becomes toxic and gets into the brain. I think that’s the critical thing with the MMR vaccine, which has not been appreciated even by even the people who believe the MMR may be linked to autism. Until we can find a way to produce vaccines without using these toxic chemicals, we need to really worry about the extent to which we’re vaccinating our children. We need to cut it way back. And if I were a young mother today, I would try very hard to get out of all the vaccines that contain aluminum, mercury and glutamate. That’s a pretty big list. That’s DTaP, Hepatitis B, MMR, the measles vaccine, the flu shot, all of those. . . . I would like to eliminate them.”

            http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/12/dr-stephanie-seneff-senior-mit-research-scientiston-vaccine-safety.html

          • Brian

            If Seneff is so brilliant, then why is she employeed in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FIELD?

            Want to guess how many classes she has ever taught at MIT relating to autism or vaccines? (Hint: the number is lower than the number of stars in the solar system)

          • Michael McCarthy

            I like the way she said “independent” researcher. Does RF understand that she’s stating he isn’t independent by doing so?

          • Sonja Henie

            You would take that over what? Who says she’s dedicated her life to solving the autism puzzle? Who said she’s so altruistic? Is she getting paid? Then she’s a shilll for “Big Autism” by many people’s definitions. How the flying f does she know that “the vaccines and the glyphosate are synergistically toxic.”? Cite a peer-reviewed source. So she’d like young moms kids to get diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, Hep B, measles, mumps, rubella, flu. She’s so dumb she doesn’t know that the MMR contains measles vaccine and you’re worshiping at her altar?

            MMR doesn’t even contain glutamate.
            http://vaccines.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005206

          • Michael McCarthy

            “She’s so dumb she doesn’t know that the MMR contains measles vaccine “
            Well, and “mercury” is gone from childhood vaccines.

          • Sonja Henie

            Yes, that too! Missed that one!

          • bpatient

            Well, if you’re going to rely on the fallacious argumentum ad verecundiam, you might as well note that Seneff is clearly not an “MIT professor,” nor is she someone who “dedicated her life to solving the autism puzzle,” since up until ca. 2013 she pursued goals that had nothing to do with autism, such as her research in artificial intelligence. Similarly, if you want to use an argument from authority, you might also note that your position is severely weakened by the fact that the overwhelming majority of authorities on autism disagree with your position.

          • bpatient

            “[Seneff] said, “At today’s rate, by 2025, one in two children will be autistic.”

            If you don’t understand why that statement is ludicrous, you should just stop posting until you can comprehend at least something about biology and statistics.

        • Michael McCarthy

          “Glyphosate pathways to modern diseases V: Amino acid analogue of glycine in diverse proteins”
          Published in the Journal of Biological Physics and Chemistry. Impact factor 0.29. Notably, anti-GMO crank Gilles Seralini publishes in this “highly respected” journal.
          I wonder why these devastating findings weren’t published in a respectable journal, not some rag?

    • Brian

      Lol.

  • ~ liz ~

    Oh dear. Mr. LaHood watched Andy Wakefield’s latest video and had a revelation.

    In case anyone’s forgotten who “disgraced former doctor Andrew Wakefield” is: He’s a liar, a fraud, and a man with a history or exploiting children with autism for his own personal gain.

    • shygirl75158

      NO. he’s not.

      • Brian

        If you consistently defend child-abusing scam artists, what does that make you?

        • shygirl75158

          It’s the vaccine makers who are child abusers. No one else could ever get away with injecting into children what they inject into children. If what you say about Dr. Wakefield were remotely true, he would have been arrested, tried, convicted and set to prison. NONE of that happened. Wakefield’s research has been replicated many times and is valid. You never even bothered to actually read his paper – you all misquote it SO often.

          • Brian

            If Wakefield was guilty of scientific fraud, then his research would be retracted and barred from practicing medicine…

          • Oh wait, that’s what happened.

          • Brian

            Surprisingly, a timy part of this post was actually true.

            From Wakefield’s fraudulent paper:
            “We did not prove an association between measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described”

            It’s true that this has been replicated several times, with studies involving over a million children compared to Wakefield’s twelve.

            Of course, Wakefield lied and contradicted his own paper when he threw a press conference almost twenty years ago, and children are dead because of it.

          • You already posted this nonsense, and were already b-slapped for it. But keep trying. Maybe you’ll find a way to slip in these lies without getting called out on it.

            Wakefraud is a child abuser, and you’ve been lied to. Deal with it, and move on. Stop doubling down on your screw-ups; you sound like Trump.

          • PK

            Shygirl, Brian and FSM are astroturfers. They spew lies. I know it, You know it. Don’t be too surprised. The vaccine cult is dedicated!

          • Oh goody!

            Do you have evidence anyone here is being paid?

          • JoeFarmer

            You’re an idiot.

      • Ron Roy

        He’s a man with balls. He stood up to the system when his collaborators wimped out.

        • No, dear. He was a shill for Big Legal.

          • Rachel Flanagan

            A shill for big legal? LOL, sorry I almost fell of my chair laughing.

          • Yup.

            Paid by injury lawyers equivalent and families who wanted a class action lawsuit equivalent.

          • Brian

            Laughing in the same way I did after you mistook a satire piece making fun of anti-vaccine conspiracy theorists as factual?

          • Rachel Flanagan

            I didn’t mistake the satire piece (maybe another poster), what I posted are results from a lab stating… Most vaccines contain glyphosate. The cat is out of the bag, and the mystery of autism has now been identified. Aluminum and glyphosate a toxic combination, end of story.
            Vaccines can and do cause Autism.

          • Brian

            Backing up one lie with another dozen lies doesn’t give you credibility.
            “what I posted are results from a lab stating… Most vaccines contain glyphosate.”
            Nope. They don’t

            “the mystery of autism has now been identified.”
            Yes, and it’s that it is dominated by genetics, and when using the same diagnosis criteria, the prevalence hasn’t changed in at least 30 years. (Baxter et al. 2014)

            “Vaccines can and do cause Autism.”
            Nope. The unvaccinated develop autism at the same rate as the vaccinated, so it’s obvious that vaccines don’t cause it. (Taylor et al. 2014)

          • Ivan Forsch

            This is a NaturalNews com sockpuppet.

            A search along these lines will show her comment history at that IQ sucking blackhole.

            rachel flanagan site:naturalnews.com

            For those who are unaware, Mike “Health Ranger” Adams, the owner of Natural News, lives in Austin, TX.

          • No, it was you and your glyphosate in vaccines rant. Lol

          • ibid.

            Dude.

            “Glyphosate and aluminum in vaccines associated with rise of autism epidemic”

            It’s on Natural News so it’s gotta be true.

          • forvaccinesafety

            Samsel’s research on glyphosate in vaccines must be significant judging by your reaction.

        • bpatient

          “He’s a man with balls.”

          Perhaps the receipt (from trial lawyers who planned to sue vaccine manufacturers) the equivalent of about eight times his annual salary as a researcher stiffened Wakefield’s resolve.

      • Reality022

        YES. He is.
        He took blood draws from children at his kid’s birthday party, for which he had no medical authority to do, and then laughed about the way the kids were fainting and having bad reactions to the draw. He was amazed what 5 pounds sterling could buy.

        He apparently ordered lumbar punctures and colonoscopies when he did not have clinical rights – he was a surgeon and was not allowed to treat patients clinically; only cut them open, fix the problem, and sew them back up.

        IMO – He is a classic child abusing sociopath.

        • PK

          I heard he’s an alien too! While you are making stuff up about him, you should add this to your list!

          • This is all a matter of public record.

          • Reality022

            “I heard he’s an alien too!”

            Well, he did anaI probe (colonoscopies) the children and he is an alien here in the USA so I guess that is about the only accurate thing you’ve stated, PK:

            Andrew Wakefield is an anaI probing alien.

          • forvaccinesafety

            Do you howl at the full moon?

          • Reality022

            Do you chase cars?

          • PK

            That’s the best approach to influence your fellow feeble minded pro-vax brothers.

    • Reality022

      LaHood, rather than being a Sam Spade seems to be an Inspector Clouseau. He doesn’t seem to be able to read the mainstream information about his hero, Android Wakefraud, and identify him as a scamming hoaxer and a charlatan.

      San Antonio and Bexar Co. must be so proud.

    • PK

      Too funny. Post a vid by Deer. He’s the one disgraced! He made up the claims against Wakefield and Walker-Smith. It was ruled that the allegations were without merit. Pro-vaxxers will believe anything!

      • ~ liz ~

        Oh really?

        Four times Wakefield sued Deer for libel and he lost every time. Now some 10 years after the fact, Andrew Wakefield has never been exonerated and still has hasn’t had his license to practice medicine restored.

        Why is that?

        Because everything Deer said and everything the BMJ discovered during their investigation is true.

        Retracted autism study an ‘elaborate fraud,’ British journal finds
        http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/

        • Reality022

          And you can be sure the BMJ had their own fact checkers, lawyers, scientists/medicos, experts, etc. vet the information from Brian Deer to protect themselves from Andrew Wakefraud’s inevitable libel lawsuit(s).

          They verified what Deer had discovered during his investigation and printed it… and were sued by AJ Wakefraud. The BMJ also prevailed.
          Every
          single
          time.

          Wakefield is one of the greatest science frauds of all time. Amply demonstrated.

          Deal with it, antivaccinationists.

      • bpatient

        Too funny. Walker-Smith and Wakefield were both insured by the same entity, which determined that Wakefield could not prevail on appeal but funded the appeal by Walker-Smith, who won back his medical license by throwing Wakefield under the bus. Walker-Smith, through his lawyer, agreed with Mr. Justice Mitting that there was no reputable body of evidence that supported Wakefield’s hypothesis.

        BTW, most folks who can type should be able to understand that the CDC study at the heart of Quaxxed thoroughly undermines Wakefield’s position.

  • forvaccinesafety

    Some suggested reading on problems with vaccination policy in the US:
    I suggest you read the 2000 report by the Government Reform Committee entitled “Conflicts of Interest in Vaccine Policy Making”.
    Next, The 2007 US Senate investigation “CDC Off Center,” on further problems with the CDC corruption.
    For the third course, the 2008 investigation by the Office of the Inspector General about undisclosed conflicts of interest in the CDC vaccine program. (Levinson, 2008).
    For dessert (if you haven’t lost your appetite), the letter written by US Office of Research Integrity (ORI) director, David Wright, when he quit, in 2014, discussing misconduct at the CDC, NIH, PHS, calling HHS as “a remarkably dysfunctional bureaucracy.”

    • Brian

      How cute. Anti-vaxxers know how to cherry-pick.

      You still never answered me. How many times have you been banned for spamming and abuse?

      • Rachel Flanagan

        You don’t address the contents, but rather attack the poster for past “spamming.”
        Really? You must be getting pretty desperate to accuse people of “spamming” LOL.

  • Rachel Flanagan

    Bravo Bexar County District Attorney Nico LaHood!

  • Rachel Flanagan

    “What I think people don’t appreciate is that the vaccines and the glyphosate are synergistically toxic. The glyphosate is making the chemicals in the vaccines much more dangerous to the children than they would otherwise be. As I said, the glutamate is very interesting because glyphosate disrupts the body’s ability to metabolize glutamate, so the glutamate becomes toxic and gets into the brain. I think that’s the critical thing with the MMR vaccine, which has not been appreciated even by even the people who believe the MMR may be linked to autism. Until we can find a way to produce vaccines without using these toxic chemicals, we need to really worry about the extent to which we’re vaccinating our children. We need to cut it way back. And if I were a young mother today, I would try very hard to get out of all the vaccines that contain aluminum, mercury and glutamate. That’s a pretty big list. That’s DTaP, Hepatitis B, MMR, the measles vaccine, the flu shot, all of those. . . . I would like to eliminate them. . . . If you don’t choose to eliminate, you can actually delay–and that’s much, much better than getting them on schedule, because a newborn child has a very weak immune system. To give that child a Hepatitis B which contains a substantial amount of aluminum is very dangerous. And now they’ve added the Gardasil vaccine, which has a very toxic form of aluminum in it, that they’re giving to the teenagers, which is just on top of whatever load they might have accumulated up to that point. The U.S. has the highest vaccination requirements in the world, along with the highest infant mortality rates among the top industrial countries. ”
    http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/12/dr-stephanie-seneff-senior-mit-research-scientiston-vaccine-safety.html

    • Brian

      Hey look! Anti-vaxxers know how to copy and paste nonsense, completely oblivious to their own ignorance!

      • Rachel Flanagan

        Seneff is a brilliant researcher, and has done her due diligence on the subject.
        Her research and words are much more informative than mine.

        What you seem to forget, those of us questioning vaccines used to be 100% on board until we saw a child or adult destroyed by one. I’m not talking about the many parents with a child who experienced a seizure and/or got a high fever, I mean devastation to their brain and motor functions. ERGO altering the course of their life, and those who love them.
        We are not anti-vaxxers, we are merely asking for caution, removal of aluminum, and ingredients containing glyphosate.

        Stephanie Seneff is hardly an anti-vaxxer…

        Stephanie Seneff is a Senior Research Scientist at the MIT Computer
        Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. She received the B.S.
        degree in Biophysics in 1968, the M.S. and E.E. degrees in Electrical
        Engineering in 1980, and the Ph.D degree in Electrical Engineering and
        Computer Science in 1985, all from MIT. For over three decades, her
        research interests have always been at the intersection of biology and
        computation: developing a computational model for the human auditory
        system, understanding human language so as to develop algorithms and
        systems for human computer interactions, as well as applying natural
        language processing (NLP) techniques to gene predictions. She has
        published over 170 refereed articles on these subjects, and has been
        invited to give keynote speeches at several international conferences.
        She has also supervised numerous Master’s and PhD theses at MIT. In
        2012, Dr. Seneff was elected Fellow of the International Speech and
        Communication Association (ISCA).

        • Brian

          “Seneff is a brilliant researcher”
          Nope. She’s an anti-vaccine crackpot. Want examples of some of the whoppers she’s publically said?

        • Sonja Henie

          Her qualifications have nothing whatever to do with vaccines.

      • Ivan Forsch

        Please don’t feed this troll.

    • Sonja Henie

      Good lord, I just saw this one! She’s repeating these tired old memes about “the highest vaccine requirements and the highest IMR”. Jeez Louise, this are PRATTs.

      • Brian

        No kidding! I just wasted a few minutes looking at her web page. The stupid is burning hot there.

    • bpatient

      Could you please cite credible evidence that “vaccines and the glyphosate are synergistically toxic?” Thanks.

    • Ivan Forsch

      Hi Rachel. I’m gonna help you out here. Age of Autism links are spam.

      Say bye bye, troll.