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Texas A&M and Texas Tech Should Be Playing A Bowl Game

How SEC wargaming and Aggie fears got in the way of a much better postseason matchup.

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Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill (17) looks for running room on a busted play against the Texas Tech defense in the second quarter of an NCAA football game, Saturday, Oct. 30, 2010, at Kyle Field in College Station, Texas. Tannehill had a school-record 449 yards passing and four touchdowns in his first career start.
(AP Photo/Houston Chronicle, Nick de la Torre)

The college bowl schedule is set, and five Texas teams get to play bonus games later this month and early next. Baylor heads to Florida to take on North Carolina in the Orlando Citrus Bowl; TCU battles the Oregon Ducks in the Alamodome; and Houston and Florida State tangle in Atlanta’s GeorgiaDome.

Tough, intriguing matchups one and all. And then there is the one that got away…

To the disappointment of most fans in Lubbock, and some in College Station, the once-chippy Texas Tech-Texas A&M rivalry will not be revived this December in Houston. Instead, the Aggies will be making their second trip to Nashville in five weeks, where they will play Louisville in the Music City Bowl, while the Red Raiders will play LSU in Houston’s NRG Stadium.

What the what?

Back before the trip to Nashville was set in stone, TexAgs.com’s Billy Liucci explained that the powers-that-be in College Station wanted to avoid a return trip to Houston, where the team opened the season with a 38-17 win over Arizona State in September. Liucci added that the Texas Bowl didn’t need the Aggies to sell out, as LSU and Tech would be just as hot a ticket.

So unselfish, those Aggies, putting the interests of a third-tier bowl committee ahead of their own! And, no, the Texas Bowl doesn’t need a 12th Man-Tortilla battle to sell out. But Houston is home to more Aggies than anywhere else on the planet, and Raider fans here are plentiful as well. It seems that it’s in the interest of both teams to duke it out in their home state. So are the Aggies ducking Kliff Kingsbury’s potent Air Raid(er) offense, or, as seems more likely, bending to the SEC’s will to create favorable matchups for the conference as a whole? Or both?

Welcome to the brave new world of college bowl selections.

Unlike other conferences, which allow their teams to accept lower-tier bowl bids on their own, the SEC has ultimate authority over which of its teams go where since last year, or at least after the big shows are settled. When the four-team National Championship playoff is scheduled, and the Sugar and Orange Bowls make their picks, the SEC then decides where to dispatch every other remaining bowl-eligible school.

Two years ago, outgoing SEC president Mike Slive explained that decision:

“This bowl process gives us the best opportunity to address several issues that impact SEC fans, including the creation of intriguing matchups, the accommodation of travel for fans, reduced ticket obligations for our schools and a variety of assignments to help prevent repetitive postseason destinations.”

But is Louisville a more intriguing matchup than Tech? Are Aggie fans better accommodated by traveling to faraway (and potentially chilly) Nashville for the second time in five weeks than they would be in playing what pretty much amounts to a home game in a better winter climate?

No and no. Maybe this does reduce ticket obligations, but that whole repetitive destination thing is out the window as well.

What Slive didn’t say, but what many believe, is that the SEC uses this system to enhance conference prestige by creating favorable matchups for its teams, or at least for its blue-blood programs. According to this theory, the SEC brass wants its teams first and foremost to win outright, but if there’s a good chance that they might lose, that they do so somewhere the negative effect on recruiting might sting the least. Like, say, Nashville, the capital of a state that produces very few Texas A&M recruits, and relatively few SEC recruits in general.

Take last year, when it looked for a few days that Texas and A&M might meet in what was then known as the Houston Bowl. Given their dreadful performance against Arkansas in the Texas Bowl, Texas likely dodged a bullet, but it was the Aggies, not the Longhorns, who shied away.

Officials for the Texas Bowl expressed interest in matching the Longhorns and the Aggies in a renewal of one of the best rivalries in college football that ended up with the move of A&M to the SEC.

But a report from Chip Brown of Horns Digest indicated that the SEC wasn’t interested in that game happening — there was too much to lose, especially in recruiting.

The Aggies are dominating the current landscape of the state and a loss could have given Texas and new head coach Charlie Strong a head-to-head win on the field that could have resulted in some head-to-head wins on the recruiting trail with the state’s top prospects considering both schools.

That same rationale seems to be at play this year. The SEC would love for LSU to come to Houston and get a win. After all, the Tigers are perennial national title contenders and are already pillaging Houston and southeast Texas for recruits at a rate alarming to Aggie fans, or fans of any Texas school, for that matter. And if you’re a Tiger fan, your team’s strengths pair with Tech’s weaknesses like jambalaya and Abita beer. It’s a classic matchup of irresistible force meeting, well, an object even more flaccid and porous than merely “movable.” Tech’s “ability” to stop the run ranks ahead of only those of the mighty Idaho Vandals and Eastern Michigan, the pride of Ypsilanti, in all of top-tier NCAA football. (And top-tier is applied loosely to the latter two teams.)

Arrayed against that rickety, slapdash mess is LSU’s strength—a crude and brutal 1970s-style rushing attack led by force-of-nature power back Leonard Fournette. If UT freshman Chris Warren III could shred Tech’s wretched defense for almost 300 yards, Fournette could well spring for something close to a quarter-mile, thus placing him firmly in the lead for next year’s Heisman Trophy.

On the other hand, the Aggie rushing attack (and offense in general) has been mediocre-to-bad this year, and since moving to the SEC, the Aggies have retooled their defense to combat run-first offenses. Aggie nemesis Kliff “Coach Bro” Kingsbury’s teams bested the Aggies two out of three years he was Tech’s starting QB in the early aughts, including 2001’s infamous goalpost game. Tech’s current iteration, which Kingsbury now directs from the sidelines, would be a nightmare for A&M to defend.

And Tech just has their number. Since 2000, the Aggies have beaten the Red Raiders five times and lost eight, and that was back when they were still in the Big 12, fielding a defense designed to attack the spread offense.

Apparently the SEC league office would rather see an almost certain Tiger victory in Houston rather than run the very real risk of an Aggie debacle against an in-state rival. And A&M was willing to play along, even with possible serious consequences to their high school recruiting, and no enhancement of their own.

Call it a conspiracy theory if you want, but it makes a lot of sense. The Texas Bowl pays out $3 million, $250,000 more than the Music City Bowl. (Yes, the SEC pools its teams bowl money, but A&M can’t claim Music City Bowl prestige is worth more than the cash.) The Aggies first said they wanted to avoid playing in the same city twice in one season, but now they’re doing just that in a city about 700 miles further from campus than Houston. It’s hard to sell this as a recruiting trip for A&M, as Tennessee and Kentucky annually duke it out for the most feeble high school talent in SEC country, and what little those states produce more often that not ends up at nearby schools like Tennessee, Alabama, Arkansas, and Ole Miss. The Aggies and Louisville are not rivals by any stretch of the imagination, whereas Tech vs A&M was one of the best (and most evenly-matched, over time) in Texas NCAA history.

In the end, it looks like LSU is the only winner here.  They are coming to a prime recruiting honey hole, one absolutely vital to A&M’s program year-in and year-out, where they will be able spotlight a transcendent talent in a sold-out stadium against the football equivalent of a Washington Generals defense. Meanwhile the Aggies are forgoing the renewal of a traditional rivalry in their own backyard to take less money to play a faraway game against a mid-major opponent (who might very well beat them) in a wasteland for blue-chip talent.

Well-played, Bayou Bengals. Well-played, indeed.

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  • Jed

    enh. aggies went to the SEC, had to know that one of the things they gave up was favorite son status. on balance, still seems to have worked out in the positive so far.

    but good analysis.

  • Spacecity Techsan

    And I thought I was just being a homer! At least the Ags can blame their decision not to come to the party on Daddy Ess Eeee Seee.

  • Mark

    This Red Raider wanted to see Tech matched up against Washington State. You can’t always get what you want in college football.

  • Yeah but if A&M went to the Texas Bowl, LSU would go back to Nashville for a second straight bowl game. I get it, but the SEC has to make everyone happy. This is not on the same level as A&M avoiding Texas last year.

    • Spacecity Techsan

      I think you’re right about it not being on the same level as last year. Last year they had nothing to fear playing a broke down Texas team. This year, the prospect of facing a top 3 FBS offense is certainly something to fear for a program trying to find an identity in a post-Johnny Football world.

      • Zach Gates

        and bottom 3 FBS defense. I think we’d be just fine there.

        • MarkDuffman

          The teams Tech lost to were all better than A&M. Personally I think Tech would wipe the floor with A&M so I don’t blame A&M for running away.

          • Huh?

            uh huh

          • aa04

            If tceh wanted to play A&M so badly, why didn’t they join the SEC?

            Scared?

          • MarkDuffman

            I didn’t go to Tech so I can’t answer that. But I don’t think it’s Tech that wants to play A&M so bad that’s the issue. The issue is A&M running away from a game that they were likely to get donkey stomped to a lesser bowl against an opponent very few know anything about in an area with no real recruits. It’s like A&M just wanted to hide from everybody this bowl season which is understandable given the state of their offense and defense.

            Regardless, that joke of a slogan “we run this state” is officially over in everyone’s eyes except *maybe* Aggies. “We run FROM this state” is all anyone remembers of that slogan now.

          • Chris

            “Donkey stomped.” A&M has a top ten pass defense, you twit. What DE in that joke of a conference is even close to Myles Garrett? He runs a 4.46. Tech hasn’t faced anyone’s defense like A&M’s because your conference doesn’t play any defense. We have one of the best pass rushes in the entire nation. You didn’t go to Tech, you probably didn’t even go to college.

          • MarkDuffman

            LOL. I’ve seen A&M play, and the only reason it’s a Top 10 pass defense is because it hasn’t played many pass happy opponents. The cornerbacks are laughably bad and that line isn’t all that great either.

            I love it when someone who has never played a down of football and clearly doesn’t know what a good secondary looks like tries to pass off a pass defense statistic that is worthless given the competition.

            Tech has played plenty of defenses better than A&M’s — not because the Big 12 defenses are great but because A&M’s is marginal. And the one SEC team Tech played got shredded by Tech’s offense.

            I love it when a Poindexter who barely knows what a first down is starts arguing semantics. And only a dork uses a term like “twit”.

          • Chris

            Did your high school make the playoffs this year?

          • Kyle N. Wilson

            “Twit”? Are you Boy George? lol.

            A&M’s defense is terrible. The only reason the pass defense is ranked somewhat high is because SEC teams don’t throw a lot of footballs. Maybe you haven’t seen any A&M games this year, but the secondary is horrendous.

            I agree with the other poster that A&M would indeed get donkey stomped by TTU’s offense. And A&M’s crappy offense wouldn’t be able to keep up.

          • SECRules

            Terrible? A&Ms defense is ranked higher than EVERY BDF defense. Look it up, moron. Google is your friend.

          • ActaNonVerba

            To be honest little aa. I’m so over a&m I’m glad we’re not playing them. Yall are bottoming out like ut so I’m glad we’re not having to beat yall down. Move aside ut and a&m! TEXAS TECH is turning Texas red….

            Guns up 06!

          • SECRules

            Your personal thoughts don’t count unless your college is accredited.

          • ActaNonVerba

            Face it secfools a&m is bottoming out just as ut. Now step aside while we prepare for a tiger hunt…

            Guns up 06!

    • BigWin

      It has nothing to do with this whole “this team has played here or there before” nonsense. That’s just excuses they are using to cover up the obvious truth. This is about the SEC (since the conference calls the match-ups for it’s members) deciding to try and put one of their traditional powerhouse programs in a game they not only think it can win, but will showcase their star player who will be the top Heisman candidate entering the 2016 season. It’s all about match-ups, and LSU matches up better with Tech than the Aggies do. At least in their (the SEC’s) opinion. They are trying for 2 bowl wins with a Fournette showcase showdown. It’s pretty simple.

      • Zach Gates

        You people…good grief. When have you ever seen a team play in the same bowl twice? RARE occurrence…for a reason. A bowl game’s objective is to MAKE MONEY. Having the same team play 2 years in a row is not a money making activity.

        • MarkDuffman

          It happens virtually every year. You need a better excuse than that one, Einstein.

        • wes winters

          I’m pretty sure the article says that ATM is making less money than they would here in Houston, so I don’t really understand your point.

          • Zach Gates

            for the bowl…not for the school. c’mon man. The BOWL’s objective is to make as much money as possible

          • wes winters

            I guess I’m a little slow. Is your position that there are more lsu fans who will come to houston than aggies? I doubt it. Isn’t that how bowls make money.?

          • Zach Gates

            It’s ok, you are a little slow. LSU will come to Houston in droves, just like Ags would. LSU wanted the Texas Bowl, we wanted Music City. Win/win for both fanbases. Surely you know Baton Rouge and New Orleans are a very reasonable distance from H-town…

            Now, to sum up my point — fanbases DON’T like to travel to the same venue back to back years, which is why the bowls themselves try to avoid scheduling the SAME teams in back to back years if at all possible.

          • wes winters

            Ok, you condescending twerp. Didn’t you just play there 5 or 6 weeks ago?

          • Zach Gates

            I’m dumbfounded at this point. Do you think our entire fanbase went to the Vandy game? We have 52,000 students and half a million alumni. We had probably 25,000 travel to Nashville for the Vandy game. Everyone said it was an amazing trip and now many of the people who couldn’t make it for Vandy are elated to have another opportunity. They can spend NYE in Nashville (a world renowned party city), rather than spend NYE in Houston, where every Ag has been a thousand times if they don’t already live there. Traveling to bowls is FUN. I think people are overlooking that key point. A bowl game in your backyard is only exciting for people that live in Houston and get to treat it like a Texans, Astros or Rockets game. It’s just not rocket science Wes.

    • Keith

      I appreciate the fact that you feel A&M has the clout in the SEC to call the shot on not only what bowl they play in but also who they play. Texas last year and Tech this year want to play A&M in Texas because that is the only way to even possibly have a chance to take back all the recruiting advantages that A&M now has. To say A&M is scared is extremely laughable. They were very few bowl eligible teams that would have lost to Texas last year, a only a few that wouldn’t run up a score on Tech’s defense this year.

      A&M is simply playing in a better bowl that they earned with their record and were assigned to by the SEC. Nothing against the Texas Bowl, but it wouldn’t be the destination many teams would choose if they had that opportunity.

  • Adam Koblenz

    Fear of Tech, or anyone else from that conference? Nope. Congrats on writing an article full of bias and ignorance. Good job spinning it away from reality. Truly pathetic.

    • Chris Callahan

      To quote an A&M fan and writer from Good Bull Hunting,

      “First, I should mention that when I dipped into my limited reservoir of sources, I learned that Texas Tech is a near lock to play in the Texas Bowl in Houston. Texas A&M is doing everything they can to avoid playing that matchup in that game. So if you believe Texas A&M carries any political clout in the conference, the Texas Bowl is an unlikely destination. – cuppycup”

      “Tech scares me

      There is no way we’d be able to keep up with their offense. I don’t care how bad their defense is.

      by TEPhillips on Dec 3, 2015 | 11:20 AM reply”

      • Huh?

        Are you seriously using a random internet comment as your source?

        • MarkDuffman

          It’s the editor of an A&M website.

          • Huh?

            The second comment is a random nobody.

            As for Cuppy’s comment, you should read this : http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2015/12/8/9872128/texas-am-aggies-afraid-ducking-texas-tech-texas-bowl

            His comment didn’t mean what you knuckle draggers thinks it means.

          • MarkDuffman

            He was a writer for that site. Besides, even if he’s a random nobody then what he says is every bit as valuable as what you, another random nobody, says.

          • Huh?

            No, you window licker, “TEPhillips” is just some random poster.

            You are absolutely right about the second part. Which is why its so preposterous to use it as some definitive view point of the entire fan base.

            Just like it would be preposterous to use your asinine posts as some definitive view point of all meth addicted sister porkers.

    • kingc

      lol, this is my favorite type of aggie fan. the one that seriously believes the aggies are better than the top 4 teams in the big12, even though they are middle of the pack mediocre in a not-so-scary SEC conference. yall are seriously in complete denial about how absolutely mediocre your program is right now!

      • 12thVan

        Pretty sure we have trounced Big 12 teams in 2 of our last 3 bowl games including the conference champ OU in the Cotton Bowl. Is that the type of denial you are speaking about?

        • MarkDuffman

          And yet you run away from UT and Tech, lol

          • aa04

            Actually tceh and ut ran away from A&M…

          • MarkDuffman

            You’re very intelligent. Yeah I can see how Tech and UT ran away from A&M by staying in the same conference they’ve all been in for 20 years. Great logic!

      • Adam Koblenz

        Excellent job quoting a blog site. But putting words in my mouth that I didn’t say is irresponsible at a minimum. I never said we were better. I said we’re not afraid to play anyone. And there’s no denial of our 3-year run of mediocrity in terms of our conference record. We’d beat Tech this year just like we beat WVU last year, but it’s not our choice where we play. Bowl games are not slotted by rankings in the SEC. Get your facts straight.

      • aa04

        You’re MY favorite type of BDF fan…you puff your chest out yet you’re dragging around a winless Kansas, a 2-win Iowa State, and a Texas team that is truly the most fun to watch in a long time. You had to go to West Virginia or risk playing with a 9-team conference.

        You have ten teams…yet are still the “Big 12″…
        Can you count to potato?

        BDF has 3 teams with losing records vs an SEC-W group who’s bottom team is still .500.

        Listen to this.
        Every team from the SEC-W is going to a bowl. Every one.

    • MarkDuffman

      I believe this article more than I believe some random A&M homer. I don’t have a dog in this fight since I’m not an Aggie or a Techie, but it’s pretty clear that A&M is afraid to play Tech just like they were afraid to play Texas last year.

      • Huh?

        They didn’t run away from OU in 2012. Remember that game?

        • aa04

          Of course he doesn’t.
          That fact isn’t a convenient fit for his argument.

        • MarkDuffman

          OU isn’t a Texas school for one thing, and for another A&M knew they probably would win that game. They aren’t likely to beat Tech this year so they ran away.

      • aa04

        Texas got 2 yards rushing last year versus an Arkansas team that A&M has beat 4 years running.

        A&M would have mopped the floor with them.

        Instead A&M beat WVU – you know the team the BDF got to replace them…

        • MarkDuffman

          If A&M would have “mopped the floor with them” (nice term stealing, lol) then why did A&M run away from that matchup too? And don’t say A&M didn’t run away because there is all sorts of press about it.

          • SECRules

            Run away. You keep using that phrase but you clearly don’t understand what it means. Or how bowl selection works. Get back to us when your college is accredited.

      • SECRules

        You’re right. A&M ran away from Horn team with a losing record to go beat a ranked BDF WVU team in a better bowl. And that Horn team got their asses kicked by a last place SECW Arkansas team that A&M has beaten 4 years in a row. Makes perfect sense. The BDF football IQ is just amazing. Like a Vince Young Wonderlic score.

  • Glen Harris

    Aggies are in the SEC now. We have played 2 of the last 3 bowls since leaving against big 12 schools. Playing in houston would make good for travel, but no one wants to play the houston bowl nor have any interest in play tt! Music city is a much better bowl for us with an opponent we never seen before! Gig’EM!

    • Spacecity Techsan

      Sooooo…..You would rather give up the prospect of beating up on a Power 5 school in the closest metropolitan area to your campus (not to mention a recruiting hot bed) in favor of playing a non-power 5 basketball school in the middle of football nowhere?

      • Glen Harris

        But we don’t have trouble recruiting in the state. We already do that well. Louisville is not non-power 5 team if you are paying attention. They are in the ACC! They lost to Clemson by 3 point who is the number 1 team in the country. A&M travels very well. Close or not, our fans will be in there. They always are!

        • Spacecity Techsan

          Good points and yeah you’re right, I (along with 75% of college football fans, recruits, etc.) totally missed Louisvile in the ACC and the fact that they lost to Clemson by 3. Also, it is very important to win those Nashville recruiting battles. Good Luck Ags!

          • Glen Harris

            Aggies can care less. Fans of Aggie/College Football aren butt hurt. I understand. Recruiting talent outside the state is just as important as in state. Currently #14 in recruiting and tracking higher for a reason!

          • MarkDuffman

            Hopefully that class includes a QB since both of A&M’s are about to transfer and the skill players are starting to decommit. What a mess.

        • redraider93

          Bigger mistake is giving LSU a prime showcase in the aggies biggest home city in the state of Texas…

          • Glen Harris

            Oh yeah. In a city where there are more LSU alum and tech alum. That will hurt us. The fact of the matter is LSU has recruited well in the Houston area for years is no different than what we’ve done in their state. Texas is big enough and talent rich enough for us to recruit to our needs. LSU in the Texas Bowl doesn’t change that.

      • aa04

        What does a win over a 7-5 tceh team do for A&M.

        • BigWin

          What does a win over a 7-5 freaking ACC team in the middle of football wasteland get you? The match up against Tech had Kliff vs old mentor in Sumlin, old SWC, Big 12, and in state rivals and both with outstanding local fan bases with tons of recruits watching. That’s why. Should I add a “duh”?

          • aa04

            Sorry to burst your precious bubble but ACC > Big BDF.

            I think it’s funny/sad that tceh is still trying to cling to A&M to validate themselves.

            Tceh can get all the things you mentioned without A&M.

            Tceh fans are starting to sound like the crazy ex-girlfriend.

            Look, A&M broke things off with you. If telling yourselves it’s because you’re too good for them do whatever you need to do to get you through the night. Fact remains A&M is with a better group of friends now…

          • MarkDuffman

            Tech wasn’t the one trying to put this matchup together, it was the Texas Bowl. A&M ran away because it was afraid. Don’t try and blame Tech for A&M’s fear of competition.

          • aa04

            A&M beat tceh the last 3 meetings. Scoreboard Nancy!

            They left the BDF. Get over it. A&M doesn’t owe tceh or the BDF anything. The SEC has multiple bowl tie-ins. It’s stupid to expect the conference to pair A&M against a BDF team every year. As it is A&M is 2-0 in bowls against BDF teams in the 4 years they’ve been in the SEC. They’ve played a BDF team every other year. It’s not A&M’s fault tceh sucked more than usual last year and missed out on a bowl altogether. If A&M has multiple bowl offers, they go where they want. Tceh is a mediocre 7-5 team with a pretty unimpressive resume – what’s scary about that?

            If playing A&M was that important, Tceh should have grown a pair and moved to the SEC with them or demanded change in the Big 12 or scheduled them in OOC. Instead tceh has kowtowed to Texas.

          • MarkDuffman

            So what? Tech beat A&M for most of the past 2 decades even though A&M got them a couple of times during a coaching transition.

            Tech has been the better program for the past 2 decades whether you want to admit or not, and I imagine that’s a huge reason A&M is afraid to play them.

          • JCW

            Tech has A&M beat overall in the big12 10-6 jsyk. And you are calling tech mediocre this season for going 7-5 when the Aggies only went 8-4? HA! How many top 5 teams have the Aggies played this year? Did the Aggies have to play their entire season, which included 4 ranked opponents and some in a row, without a bye week? Tech was one fluke catch fun beating undefeated #3 Tcu, which would’ve made them 8-4. So get your holier than though bullshit out of here

          • Huh?

            A&M would wipe it’s ass with Tech just like it did with WVU last year and your school full of meth addicts in 2012.

          • MarkDuffman

            Right, that’s why A&M is running away from them. LOL.

            Everyone (other than you, it seems) knows that Tech’s offense would absolutely destroy A&M. A&M would score some points (who doesn’t on Tech’s horrible run defense), but Tech would score more. Many, many more.

          • SECRules

            A&M plays in the toughest division in the toughest conference in college football. And we opened the season against a Top 15 Pac 12 opponent that Kirk Herbstreet project to the playoff. Meanwhile Tech plays in the weakest conference in CFB and beat just one Power 5 school with a winning record. One. Surely you’re trolling and not really this stupid.

          • MarkDuffman

            A&M is a doormat in that division, even in years like this one where it’s clearly not the toughest as you say.

          • S-Man

            Yes, how A&M is the crazy ex-wife of Texas.

            Look, Texas wouldn’t give you any attention and treated you like you were non-existent. If telling yourselves it’s because you’re better off with someone else, then do whatever you need to do to get you through the night. Fact is, Texas was always too good for you.

          • Huh?

            Texas spends more time talking about A&M then they do about Texas.

            You seem lost.

          • S-Man

            Yes, I am way off target. I’m probably the first to ever notice A&M’s short man syndrome when it comes to Texas. Must just be me.

          • aa04

            Do you have ADD?

            What does Texas have to do with Tceh acting like a whiney, clinging, ex-gf?

          • S-Man

            Good deflection. “Let’s not talk about Texas, that’s not fair. We’re only talking about Tech. You’re not playing by the rules.”

          • aa04

            The topic of the article is tceh and A&M, no?

            But sure psycho swimfan – let’s talk about UT.

          • S-Man

            Record: 76-37-5 Nothing else has to be said.

          • aa04

            Ha. Yeah they really dominated in those years A&M sent guys of to war…

            Enjoy your irrelevancy.

          • MarkDuffman

            A&M is fake dressup military, lol. Give us a break on sending guys to war.

          • SECRules

            Fake except for providing more commissioned officers than all but the military academies. And the Medal of Honor winners. Google it, asshat. Where did you graduate from college and how have you served your country?

          • MarkDuffman

            It’s fake military. Some of them go on to join the real military, but at A&M it’s basically Halloween pretend military.

          • SECRules

            Except 16-14 in the last 30 years. Ya, keep counting those war years when A&M was a military college and enlisted en mass to defend our country while you hippies stayed back to hide.

          • MarkDuffman

            Tech is only making fun of A&M for running away. I know you’d like to think it’s more than that (because A&M’s main concern has always been what others think of it), but the only thing I ever hear from any Longhorn or Red Raider about A&M is making fun of them. Nothing more.

          • MarkDuffman

            Not really. All I hear is a bunch of whining about A&M not wanting to play them anymore. Beyond that, I don’t hear much about A&M.

          • Huh?

            Whining =! indifference, sister porker

          • aa04

            They gave us plenty of attention once we said, “hey we’re leaving you…”

            Since then A&M has prospered in the best athletic conference in the nation.

            Tceh and Texas sit around flicking their pecker and watch Baylor and TCU run the conference. Lol.

          • yeehaw

            you call that prospered? 5th in the SEC West this season isn’t what I would call “prosper”. A&M has yet to realize that their best years in the SEC are already behind them. The Johnny Manziel – Mike Evans era is behind you and you guys might be delusional to think y’all will have that kind of success regularly in the SEC.

            One could also make the argument that the SEC no longer is as good as it was 4 years ago. Other than Alabama your conference has been pretty average.

          • MarkDuffman

            A&M was a doormat in the Big 12 for most of it’s existence. It had one good year after it moved to the SEC (with Big 12 players) and has been near the bottom of it’s division ever since.

            If that’s “prospering”, then A&M might as well have sat back in the Big 12 and watched Baylor and TCU run the conference — especially since either of those teams would beat A&M by 6 touchdowns.

          • Kyle N. Wilson

            The SEC is the best football conference, but that has nothing to do with A&M. A&M is a perennial 7-5 team and has been in both the Big 12 and SEC. If anything A&M weakened the SEC’s brand.

            LSU fans laugh at comments like yours from A&M fans. They view A&M as an easy W like Vanderbilt.

          • Zach Gates

            Ah, fully indoctrinated Texas arrogance at its finest. To bring it back to your ex-wife analogy — we divorced you. You sound like the crazy ex that tells it the other way around. Keep telling yourselves you’re “too good” for everyone as you stagnate in losing football seasons and laughable coaching staffs and can’t even get 500 fans to a basketball game at Erwin. You’re right in a way about the ex thing, just not the crazy part. We’re like the ex that divorced you as a 7 and upgraded to a 9.5. Enjoy those away games at KU, ISU and KSU for the next century.

          • MarkDuffman

            As much as you enjoy being Alabama and LSU’s doormat every year? Because those are REALLY nice places, especially Louisiana and those beautiful swamps. You insecure Aggies are hilarious.

          • yeehaw

            enough with this ex-wife analogy guys please. it’s terrible.

          • Kyle N. Wilson

            But it seems like you’re the one trying to “cling”. You’ve been posting messages here almost constantly the past two days — most of them name calling and acting very defensive.

            You seem to be really insecure which is pretty par for the course I suppose. You certainly seem more “crazy ex-girlfriendish” than the other posters on here. If you didn’t care you wouldn’t be posting so much more than everyone else.

        • MarkDuffman

          It does more than a win over freaking Louisville which no one in the southwest even knows plays football.

          Besides, I imagine Tech feels they same way. As it turns out they get a better known opponent with a better team in LSU, so they came out better in the whole thing than A&M (unless A&M’s goal was being anonymous).

          • Huh?

            Yeah, obviously no one is talking about A&M. That’s why a meth addicted sister porker like yourself has spent the better part of two days talking about them.

            Makes sense, big guy.

          • Kyle N. Wilson

            Interesting that you get personal with people and start calling names. But that’s what people do when they’re cornered in an argument. Sorry you are feeling so threatened, little man.

    • JCW

      Nobody wants to play in the Texas bowl in Houston? Its only the next biggest bowl game outside of the playoffs now that the cotton bowl is a playoff game. The playoff bowl games are the only bowl games that have had higher attendance and viewership than the Texas bowl. Not to mention is in the hottest recruiting state…

  • JCW

    I love how he brings up Tech’s defense and how LSU will probably run right through it, but completely ignores how LSU will handle the second highest scoring offense in the nation that has a quarterback that could easily close this game with 5,000 passing yards on the season with over 30 passing TDs as well as nearly 500 rushing yards ad 10 rushing TDs…

    • What?

      5000 yards passing = 4-5 in conf. WOW!

      OU is the only team in that conf that plays defense and your QB goes 233 YDS, 1 TD, 4 INT.

  • Paul Bubel

    “But a report from Chip Brown of Horns Digest indicated that the SEC wasn’t
    interested in that game happening — there was too much to lose,
    especially in recruiting.”

    Chip brown is your source for us ducking a very easy win last year?

    There’s your problem.

    As for this year, we kicked off the season at Reliant versus Arizona State, been there done that. Most fans outside of Houston would rather make the trip to Nashville again.

    • aa04

      Exactly. The source of this nonsense is a perennially calling-it-wrong Longhorn writer who is weary from the season and can’t watch his team do anything this bowl season but perhaps come up with some more core values.

    • SECRules

      “There is no truth to A&M to the SEC. Zero.” Chip Brown

      “I was poleaxed by my source.” Chip Brown

      QED

  • That guy

    Twice in a row they backout out of playing a Texas team. Good riddance, glad you’re gone, the best part is its looking like decades of bottom feeding ahead. Hilarious.

    • aa04

      What was hilarious was hearing guys like you crow about it last year and then turning around and watching Texas herp-derp their way to a magnificent 2 yards rushing in a 20-7 loss against an SEC team A&M has beaten every year since joining the conference.

      • MarkDuffman

        And yet you’re still afraid of UT? I think it’s funny that A&M was a Big 12 doormat, moved to the SEC, and continues to be a doormat. But hey, those Music City Bowls have trophies just like the real bowls. UT is real bad right now, but still owned A&M for the entire history of both schools.

    • MarkDuffman

      A&M hasn’t done well against either Texas or Tech since the Big 12 started so I don’t blame them for running away from this matchup.

      • Huh?

        A&M won it’s last 3 games against Tech and they weren’t close.

        Only crappy teams like OU lose to uta.

        • MarkDuffman

          So what? Tech won 10 of the last 15 against A&M and most of them weren’t close. The biggest blowout in the series belongs to Tech several years ago (I just checked).

          If those last 3 games were such a big deal A&M wouldn’t have run away from the matchup the Texas Bowl wanted.

          • What?

            Ooooh, the glory days of Leach. How fun they must HAVE BEEN.

      • aa04

        Lol.
        Scoreboard x 3.

        • MarkDuffman

          Actually, Tech is 10-5 against A&M since the Big 12 started. It’s good you got those last 3 wins when Tech was in a coaching transition because 13-2 would have looked even worse, lol.

    • SECRules

      No words to describe the ignorance of your post. In the toughest athletic conference in America, A&M is second only to Florida in the Director’s Cup. Since moving to the SEC, the Aggie football team has a Heisman Trophy winner, four straight bowl wins (the last two agains Big12 teams), and has more Top 10 wins than any team in the Big 12. Plus there’s that $450MM stadium and SEC Network thing. Yeah, just terrible.

      • Kyle N. Wilson

        A&M is a doormat in football in that league. The Directors Cup is great — it means you have good swimming, softball, volleyball, women’s basketball, diving, basketweaving, etc — but it has no relevance on football.

        A&M is considered an automatic “W” to the better teams in the SEC, much like it was in the Big 12. A&M has never been any good in football consistently, and the SEC settled for A&M because they couldn’t get the University of Texas.

        • Johnny Post

          A&M has only been good a couple of times over the last 30 years, and both times has ended up with NCAA probation. A&M is the second most penalized team in history behind SMU.

      • Johnny Post

        A&M did have a Heisman winner, a guy who repeatedly tweeted how much he hated A&M and College Station.

        I’m an SEC guy, and other than that one player who hates your school A&M has brought nothing to the SEC except an easy W for most other teams in the league.

        Apparently you don’t understand that the Music City Bowl and Independence Bowls are NOT games that make you a great program. Then again, A&M has never won anything so you probably don’t understand.

  • Bryan Moore

    Bottom line the Ags ducked Tech…aggies can spin it any way they want, but everybody knows it. If the aggies and the SEC thought A&M would beat Tech, the aggies would be there in a heartbeat. It would help in state recruiting, prestige over an in state/ out of conference rival, playing in front of your largest alumni base/city, etc etc…the list goes on and on. You ducked us, pure and simple…and just by the nerve this article has obviously struck, with aggies, you know it’s true.

    • disqus_2gc1HGuGVy

      Couldn’t have said it better myself… aggies WeRunFromThisState.

    • Zach Gates

      It would help in-state recruiting? We don’t even compete for recruits with tech…or Texas the last couple of years for that matter. If you had a clue, you’d see that we’re starting to pull big recruits from TN and getting a lot more from LA. I think we’re doing just fine recruiting in TX at the moment. Baylor is the biggest in-state competitor on the recruiting front these days.

    • MarkDuffman

      Exactly. A&M isn’t very good on offense or defense which spells a probable Tech blowout. I don’t really blame A&M for running away.

  • aa04
    • Scott Mahan

      Nobody puts this much research into a simple article unless it really struck a nerve. Truth can really strike a nerve, huh? 🙂

      • aa04

        Lol…Research?

        It’s 2015. I used google and found those in under a minute.

        • Kyle N. Wilson

          Why are you so obsessed with Tech?

    • MarkDuffman

      Yet A&M runs away whenever it feels like it will lose. I truly think Tech would mop the floor with A&M this year so I don’t blame A&M for being scared.

      • aa04

        I think A&M played better opponents all year than Tceh.

        Also think tceh is one year removed from a pitiful, 4-8 season.

        Team gets a win over a terrible Texas team and suddenly thinks everyone fears them. Lol!

        • MarkDuffman

          Then why are you guys so scared to play Tech? I don’t agree with you that A&M played better opponents; in fact Tech beat Arkansas worse than you guys did in a game that wasn’t nearly as close as the score. Tech would light up A&M’s lousy defense and A&M doesn’t have an offense that can counter.

  • SECRules

    2013 Cotton Bowl vs. OU – Aggies Win 41-13
    2014 Liberty Bowl vs. WVU – Aggies Win 45-37
    Ya, we’re afraid to play the Big12. Enjoy your obscurity!

    • SECRules

      As the great Art Briles said, the SEC “put their brand on the table and walked away with the chips” (Google is your friend, John Loma Nomax). Why would the Ags feel compelled to share that with any Big12 team?

      • SECRules
        • SECRules

          • Redraider2004

            Pretty sure he got cut by the Cowboys

          • aa04

            Pretty sure he still made it to the NFL and nets more than you this year.

            Maybe just shut up and bag my groceries?

          • Redraider2004

            Stay classy. Life must be hard living under a bridge

          • aa04

            Classy lessons from a tceh fan. Now we’ve seen everything.

            Your reject students still chunking 9-volt batteries at games?

          • Redraider2004

            That’s one of my favorite urban legends. The very idea that someone would throw a $5 battery is laughable. Every fanbase has its share of lunatics though. I really do miss playing the Aggies, those were always fun games.

          • aa04

            Not someone. Tceh students.

            Don’t ever put it past that group to do something stupid and waste money – look at where they’re going to school after all…

          • Kyle N. Wilson

            Says the guy who makes $50k and think’s he’s really rich. Enjoy that Honda you drive.

          • MarkDuffman

            If I ran into someone like you I’d throw batteries at you too. If you’re a guy you sure act like a female — a whiny, pissed off female.

          • MarkDuffman

            I’m pretty sure I could buy you and sell you 100 time over aa04. You sound like some chump who makes $70k a year and thinks it’s big money. I can tell just from your syntax and writing skills that $70k is probably giving you too much credit.

        • David Currey

          I hope that Aggie lowlife was flagged for that facemask, the most blatant I’ve ever seen. What a scumbag piece of trash.

          • SECRules

            Totally, dude. Watch that video slowly. Ripped his head off. Guess that’s what happens when you play in the SEC. If that play was appropriately flagged, the Aggies would have surely been outscored instead of winning 41 to 13. Turble. Just Turble.

    • MarkDuffman

      And yet A&M is afraid to play an in-state school like Tech. Not that I blame them — I think Tech would mop the floor with A&M. It’s clear A&M feels that way too.

      • aa04

        Scoreboard times 3. Lol.

        • MarkDuffman

          Tech is 10-5 against A&M since the Big 12 started, including the most one sided game in the history of the series. Congrats on those 3 wins during Tech’s coaching transition, though.

          Besides, if you’ve got scoreboard why are you so afraid to play them now? Can’t handle the very real probability that they would gouge’s A&M’s lousy defense for 70?

  • aa04

    Schedule us at the beginning of the year punks!

    As of today the Big 12 gets no more free passes for out-of-conference:
    http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=210560102

    • Scott Mahan

      A&M will end up being the SEC’s homecoming game just like they were in the Big 12. Here is A&M’s record while in the Big 12….from one of those Googled sites you like to use.:)
      vs. Texas (5-10)
      vs. Texas Tech (5-10)
      vs. Oklahoma (5-10)
      even against big, bad, Colorado (3-5) – Pathetic!

      http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/texasamaggies/2011/08/31/taking-a-look-back-at-texas-am_s-history-in-the-big-12

      • aa04

        That’s cute.

        A&M is still undefeated against the BDF since joining the SEC.

        • S-Man

          “That’s cute?” Really? Who says “cute”? Are you one of those Kardashian girls?

          • aa04

            You follow the Kardashians? :-/

            Do you get mad when they don’t accept you invitations too? Lol.

          • S-Man

            I get a kick out of toying with these aggies. They take it well. They’re use to being the butt end of a joke.

          • aa04

            Whoa! Dream big!

            At least you’re putting that 6 year tceh degree to work…lol

          • S-Man

            Actually, I went to A&M. Surprise!

          • SECRules

            No you didn’t.

          • MarkDuffman

            How do you know? A&M is a big state supported school that isn’t any more difficult to get into than any other other school with state mandated entrance requirements. Some of you crack me up acting like A&M is Harvard. If it were an exclusive, difficult school it wouldn’t have 50000 students, Einstein.

          • Kyle N. Wilson

            You make me laugh. You probably make $70k a year and think you’re rich, lol. I could buy and sell you probably 100 times over little man.

          • Kyle N. Wilson

            You should read the LSU message boards. They really can’t stand having A&M as a conference mate in spite of the Aggies being an automatic W every year.

          • SECRules

            “Use to” – Lol at the Tceh grad. Grammar and spelling are your friend. Not your fault Tceh isn’t accredited though.

          • MarkDuffman

            “How dare you not lthink I’m wonderful!!!” – aa04 and the Aggie fanbase to the rest of the world.

        • MarkDuffman

          Not hard to do when you choose which matchups you think you can win and run away from the ones you think you can’t.

          I think it’s cute that A&M is so giddy about winning a couple of third tier bowls at the same time it’s running away from it’s 2nd 3rd tier bowl in a row that pits it against a team that would probably kick their tail.

    • MarkDuffman

      Maybe some of the Big 12 teams can get A&M as a homecoming opponent now.

    • Kyle N. Wilson

      Not sure why you care about that. A&M is apparently too scared to play any of the Texas schools from that league anyway (which is understandable — Baylor, TCU, and Tech would all beat A&M by at least 4 TDs).

  • Keith

    So in order to prove that the move to the SEC was the correct one, I take it the Aggies must always play a Big 12 team when that possibly arises? They’ve already done that twice in 4 years and came away with very decisive victories. They need to prove nothing more. The Aggies are no longer tied to just football in the small foot print of the Big 12 but are now a national draw and their recruiting success outside of Texas shows that.

    • Kyle N. Wilson

      It’s the Texas teams A&M seems to be afraid of. And Texas Tech’s offense is one A&M wouldn’t be able to stop — that’s a given. It makes sense that A&M avoided what would likely be a blowout loss in a key recruiting city.

      One of the LSU boards has a credible poster saying A&M called LSU to ask them to take the Texas Bowl slot and help relieve the pressure everyone was putting on A&M. Apparently playing Tech “was not a good situation” for A&M this year according to the AD there.

      • Keith

        You go right on believing that. A&M’s issues this year had nothing to do with being able to stop teams, in fact they match up way better to the types of offenses that Tech throws out there. A&M’s issues have been on offense; being able to play a defense as bad as Tech’s (and you can’t argue how bad they are) is exactly what A&M needs.

        • MarkDuffman

          A&M had plenty of issues stopping teams this year. I was a CB myself and have seen both A&M and Tech play this year. There’s no way A&M could slow down Tech’s offense; Now, A&M can score on Tech too but nowhere near enough to even keep the score close.

          There is a reason that A&M, the SEC, or whomever avoided this matchup. Tech would expose A&M badly in a fertile recruiting area.

  • Ryan

    Let me understand this line of thinking: A&M finished behind LSU in the division and lost to them and their bowl needs should come first? Oh, ok.

    • MarkDuffman

      A&M would probably lose to Tech and LSU matches up well with Tech. Makes sense that A&M ran away and the SEC appeased them.

      • aa04

        Scoreboard x 3.

        • Kyle N. Wilson

          Scoreboard x 10 for Tech since the Big 12 was formed. But congrats on winning those three games when Tech was changing coaches.

  • Zach Gates

    Good God…TM is trash, but this might be the worst I’ve read on here. Not sure if you’re a tech fan or a Texas fan, but clearly and idiotically biased either way. Don’t think anyone’s scared of that 116th ranked D that TTU put up this year. I love me some Kliff, but c’mon man. Ya think maybe…just maybe it might also have to do with the fact that Ags would rather spend NYE in Nashville (aka one of the best party cities in America) instead of Houston? Oh, and the prime time ESPN spot helps a bit too. Even if the SEC didn’t pick the bowl games for us, the VAST majority of Ags would rather go to a destination bowl than to that crap bowl in Houston. Maybe you’ve heard we travel well? If not, you’re a bigger jackass than I thought. Another clue for ya…check out the TX bowl’s player gifts vs what Music City typically gives. You’re a clown. Not a journalist. A clown.

    • MarkDuffman

      Texas Monthly is a great magazine. Just because they report the facts doesn’t change that.

      Don’t shoot the messenger.

    • S-Man

      Yes, you’re right, they probably decide which bowl games they go to by asking the players which city they would rather spend NYE in and which player gift they would rather get. That makes sense.

      • Zach Gates

        Just a comment on why one bowl is better than the other. Though the payout is nominally higher for the Texas Bowl, NO ONE views it as a superior bowl to Music City. The fact is we’d love to not be in either bowl. This season should’ve been a 10-2 season. But, if we are going to end up in a lower bowl, we’d rather be in Music City than just 75 minutes away from our campus.

        • Johnny Post

          The Music City Bowl is a crappier bowl than the Texas Bowl which is why LSU agreed to swap places. Any idiot knows that.

          And 10-2 for A&M? Ain’t happening in this decade.

    • Johnny Post

      So you think the Music City Bowl is a “destination bowl”? What a moron.

      Your administrators called my school as well as LSU to try and get us to “support” you in avoiding TTech. Not that anyone is stupid enough to believe your ridiculous stoary about the Music City Bowl being a “destintation bowl” in the first place.

      You Aggies are something else.

  • miearstmfl

    I must say the Aggies have a point, me being a Tech grad. I mean Tech is nothing right? We haven’t stolen any powerful moments or national rankings from them in the past? These are just Tech propaganda including that little catch from an All Pro unknown Zach Thomas…..

    http://redraiders.com/sports-red-raiders-football/2011-10-07/don-williams-10-memorable-moments-texas-tech-am-rivalry#.VmeW8ITJ16Q

    • aa04

      Funny that the opposite isn’t true, huh?

      Enjoy your continued irrelevancy.

      • miearstmfl

        as I mentioned in my other post. You are interesting creatures. Always have been.

      • Kyle N. Wilson

        Says the fan of a team who is 5-10 against Tech in the last two decades. Yeah that Music City Bowl is quite the portrait of relevancy, lol.

  • Enrique Trejo

    Give me a break! What a stupid article. The Aggies were in a no win situation. They would get no credit for beating Tech because that is what they are suppose to do.

    • RPoehler

      A&M wouldn’t stand a chance. Playing a pathetic Aggie offense would help Tech’s meager defensive stats. If it did happen, I’d predict a final score in favor of Tech, 70-10.

      • Huh?

        A&M put up 35 on South Carolina, and there D is the Steel Curtain compared to the swiss cheese that is the Tech D.

        A&M would win this game by 50. You are completely delusional.

        • MarkDuffman

          Yes that’s why A&M ran away from it.

          Tech would most likely mop the floor with A&M because A&M’s defense can’t handle an offense like Tech’s.

          A&M and the SEC clearly agree with this which is why they ran from this matchup.

          • aa04

            Scoreboard x 3.

          • Kyle N. Wilson

            Scoreboard x 15 for Tech since the Big 12 was formed. But congrats on winning those three games when Tech was changing coaches.

        • Kyle N. Wilson

          Tech is a better overall team than A&M. They beat Arkansas worse than A&M did by far.

          It’s a fairly easy matchup to figure out. Tech’s offense would likely put 70 on A&M’s defense, but A&M’s offense isn’t good enough to put much even on Tech’s bad defense.

      • aa04

        Tceh let SHSU put 45 on them.

        A force to be reckoned with for sure.

        Lmao.

        • Kyle N. Wilson

          And yet A&M ran away because they knew Tech’s offense would blow them out.

          Funny you mention SHSU but don’t mention the SEC team they b-slapped.

      • Johnny Post

        Agree. This game would be over by halftime.

    • MarkDuffman

      Actually Tech has owned A&M for most of the past couple of decades. I don’t think A&M is “supposed” to beat Tech, and it’s clear that most people feel like Tech would mop the floor with A&M this year.

      I don’t blame A&M for being scared of them.

      • Huh?

        Dude, you posted the exact same thing like 50 times.

        And you’re a meth addicted sooner. What are you even doing here?

        • Kyle N. Wilson

          lol, what he posted is true. It clearly gets under your skin little man.

      • aa04

        Scoreboard x 3.

        • Johnny Post

          I just read that TTech is something like 14-5 against A&M going to back to the 90s. You only need scoreboard x 10 to catch up with them.

      • Let’s not forget that Tech is also the only SWC team that had a winning record against the great Jackie Sherill. So Tech’s record of winning against the Aggies goes back further than a mere couple of decades.

        • aa04

          Tech’s last conference championship was over 20 years ago…

          Shared 3 or 4 ways. Lol

          • Whatever; but even when Tech had the worst coach, and one of the worst records ever in the SWC, we still beat a&m. And had the winning record over Jackie Sherill – that’s 1000X better than a conference championship.

          • Kyle N. Wilson

            Yet Tech has a 10-5 record over A&M during that time period.

          • Johnny Post

            So was A&Ms, and now you guys are a bottom sucker in the SEC.

    • Kyle N. Wilson

      That’s not correct. Tech has a relatively lopsided advantage over A&M during the last 20 years. Why do you think Tech fans are so eager to play A&M again? They sure aren’t as eager to play LSU. The Tech fans in my office all seem to feel like they’re supposed to beat A&M, as do the Texas (Longhorn) fans.

      I remember a lot of really ugly Tech/A&M scores, most of them with Tech on top by 3, 4, 5 TDs.

      How can you say Aggies are “supposed” to beat Tech when Tech has a 10-5 record over A&M during the last 20 years? Aggie logic?

    • Johnny Post

      That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. I grew up watching TTech slap A&M around like a rag doll in the 90s and 2000s. If anything Tech is “supposed” to beat A&M judging from the past couple of decades.

      Some of you are either naive or incredibly stupid.

  • Huh?

    For those of you who haven’t figured it out, the writer is a uta grad who is hiding behind the red raiders skirt to lob bombs at A&M.

    A&M, LSU, and the SEC simply weren’t interested in that matchup. Deal. With. It.

    • MarkDuffman

      Huh? What does this have to do with A&M running away from Tech?

      Most people feel that A&M would get donkey stomped by Tech, so I don’t think anyone blames A&M for running away. People just find it humorous.

      I certainly don’t blame A&M for running away from a probable blowout loss.

      • Huh?

        “Most people?” Objective statistical analyses shows A&M would likely be a 3 point favorite.

        You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

        • Kyle N. Wilson

          Vegas would show it as even. He was talking about national media, but I understand that Aggies think everyone is against them so nothing would really be objective to you.

          • Huh?

            Who?

            No one in the national media is even talking about this. The only people talking about this are sip media and bitter, butthurt BDF fans who are desperate for some Daddy A&M D.

          • Kyle N. Wilson

            ESPN sure has an article on it.

          • What?

            Even? lol

      • aa04

        Most people?
        Who?

        (crickets)

        What I have heard a lot of folks talking about is how the tceh defense lifts up its skirt to make it more convenient for their opponent.

        • Kyle N. Wilson

          Most people would be just about any sports message board. Heck, even A&M’s board has a number of Aggie fans whining about Tech’s offense destroying them. It’s pure fear.

        • Johnny Post

          I’m an Arkansas grad and count me in as one of those most people. Mark is right, everyone knows TTech would plaster A&M.

    • Kyle N. Wilson

      Texas A&M requested not to play Tech, it’s very simple. LSU had enough interest to say they would play the game since A&M was afraid to. It’s like A&M’s big brother is standing in to protect it from getting beat up. Ask any LSU fan — that’s exactly what they think.

      And visit an LSU message board. None of them can figure out why A&M would rather go play someone like Louisville (which most people don’t even realize plays football) as opposed to a familiar team in a recruiting haven like Houston other than the Aggies being afraid of an ugly beating.

    • Johnny Post

      No, A&M ducked playing Texas Tech. Your administrators even reached out to both Arkansas and LSU trying to get someone to back you on switching places. You guys are a piece of work.

  • Raider

    This author is a douche! If the red raiders kick some Cajun butt it would be nice to see a retraction!

    • Johnny Post

      Sorry, I don’t see it. I think LSU will have a field day on your defense much like you guys had a field day on my Razorback’s defense.

      • Quite possibly, but regardless of the outcome it will be a far better game than Tech vs A&M. While the nostalgia of beating A&M would have been nice to watch, it would not be near as exciting to watch as I expect the match up against LSU will be. I expect it will be a high scoring game for both schools. I’m thinking it’ll be about 10 points or less difference for the final score.

  • miearstmfl

    Aggies are such fascinating creatures. I grew up in a UT family so that “hatred” was always there I suppose but I have great friends and family who went to A&M. I may argue that they were dropped as children and were a bit off but its surely is in jest. Aggies left for money and a belief they would be significant. They have yet to prove that.

    As a Tech fan we would love a national championship but its true we really haven’t had a defense minded coach since Spike Dykes and the days of Zach, Marcus Coleman and more. I do still rather enjoy being the spoiler though. There is always at least one in a conference.

    Aggies, as well as all of us Texas football people, value rivalry and our uninterrupted Saturdays at the stadiums. Aggies though still have a grudge and hold it which has been there for decades. Lest we all forget their alma mater……”Goodbye to Texas University. Goodbye to the orange and the white.”

    That doesn’t sound at all like a school who sees insignificance in their former conference and former adversaries but it does remind me when Aggies get up in arms about the realities of how the SEC selects their competition for them, just pat the Aggie on the head and move on.

    • MarkDuffman

      Exactly. I truly don’t understand why A&M people are so angry and bitter about everything. They truly are the Jan Brady of the big Texas schools — always insecure, always caring more about how they are perceived by others than what reality is, always mad that someone else has more or *thinks* they have more than A&M.

      A psychiatrist would have a field day trying to figure out where all their insecurities and mental issues come from.

    • MarkDuffman

      Exactly. I truly don’t understand why A&M people are so angry and bitter about everything. They truly are the Jan Brady of the big Texas schools — always insecure, always caring more about how they are
      perceived by others than what reality is, always mad that someone else has more or *thinks* they have more than A&M.

      A psychiatrist would have a field day trying to figure out where all their insecurities and mental issues come from.

      • Kyle N. Wilson

        “The Jan Brady of big Texas schools”

        That might be the most accurate description of Aggies there is.

        • What?

          More like Tech is Jan whining about Marsha. Marsha Marsh Marsha.

          Any other school in Texas could play the part of Marsha.

          • Kyle N. Wilson

            I’m not a Raider or an Aggie, but from my view I’d say it’s A&M doing the Marsha, Marsha, Marsha thing. Heck, just look at the comments here.

          • MarkDuffman

            No, A&M is definitely the Jan Brady. And your posts in this comment section just underscore it.

      • Huh?

        What would a psychiatrist think about your obsession with A&M?

        • Kyle N. Wilson

          Always thinking everyone is obsessed with you would be another area where A&M excels. Text book narcissism.

    • Johnny Post

      Can you please take them back to the Big XII please? They’ve only been in our conference a few years and we already hate them.

      They don’t do a damn thing for our football reputation either.

      • miearstmfl

        Sorry but as they say. No returns, refunds or exchanges. Keep em.

  • SECRules
  • What?

    It sounds like Tech is upset they will be seen getting run over by LSU for four quarters. There is zero reason to believe any team would run from playing a pitiful Tech team. They are 4-5 in a conference with six teams below .500.

    The Big12 is hanging on by threads and no school whats to join the slow death. No conference championship game and no exposure outside of the state. No way for Tech to get out. No other conference will take them.

    Hope your fanbase has fun being out numbered by an out of state team.

    • Johnny Post

      They don’t sound that upset to me. If anything they’re just making fun of A&M for ducking them.

      You sound pretty angry/bitter about something, but I don’t understand you bashing TTech since they are a better team than A&M. And apparently they’ve been beating the snot out of A&M for the better part of the last 20 years.

      And as someone who actually shares a conference with A&M, I hear more about TTech than I do the Aggies. Get over yourself.

    • MarkDuffman

      The only reason the SEC took A&M is because they couldn’t get Texas. Plus, A&M begged for years for an invitation. If Tech had begged like A&M it would probably be there instead.

      • What?

        The Horns were never in the discussion, Duff. With the LHN, no conference wants anything to do with them. Now even OC’s don’t want anything to do them.

        As a preemptive measure to your next comment, A&M still has two QB’s better than any QB in Austin.

        • MarkDuffman

          That just shows how little you know about the situation. Texas was always the SEC’s target.

          • What?

            Prove it blowhard! The SEC had zero interest in the horns for several reasons. The main one would be the LHN. If you want to talk about 15-25 years ago, maybe there was interest then … not this most recent round.

  • Aggies are so funny. They think they know what Red Raiders think and desire. Texas Tech has always been the red-headed step child. We have been ignored, left out, and maligned pretty much since we were chartered. We were excluded from the University fund, and since then Tech pretty much doesn’t give a damn what tea-sips and aggies think. We care about very few things, beating UT & TAMU at any sport, succeeding in spite of the roadblocks and underhandedness that the alumni from UT & TAMU throw at us, and getting an occasional bowl game.

    We know that we will never be thrown a bone from the lege much less get the ridiculous one-sided support that those other two schools receive; yet we succeed and triumph in spite of that. And that is worth so much more than y’all could ever comprehend. Guns UP! wreckem Tech!

    • What?

      Gross! No need to whine.

      • What is gross? Facts? As to what you are calling whining; it is obvious you have no comprehension of what whining is.

        • What?

          Your entire post is you whining about how tough Tech has had it. It’s gross and so sad.

          • So it’s whining to state how Tech has succeeded in spite of the obstacles that A&M and UT alumni routinely throw at Tech? Let’s talk about all the ways Tech has triumphed in spite of those well documented obstacles that I mentioned above.

            Let’s start with TTU Medical school that is so good and in such high demand that they’ve opened satellite campuses in El Paso, Dallas, Amarillo, and Abilene to meet that demand?

            Like the Aggies complaining how if Tech were to get a Veterinary school
            how it will dilute the eliteness of A&M? Oh wait, that would be
            Aggies whining.

            So yeah, what have we learned here – oh that Aggies whine while Red Raiders know how to work for and build a successful University system without all the money that UT & TAMU are routinely given?

          • What?

            This is an article is about football. Try to keep up. But yeah, less whining in this post.

            You guys had pretty good success with Leach, minus any Big12 championship. The guess what, some complete idiot fired him. Now your football program is back to where it was … right around .500.

            bye

          • And yet Tech has a winning record against A&M for the how many decades now?

      • Kyle N. Wilson

        I’m not a Red Raider, but I’d rather be around them than most of the Aggies I know. Even the SEC fans can’t stand A&M.

        I had to fire an Aggie employee just two weeks ago because he couldn’t get along with anyone in our department. In fact, most of the Aggie posters in this comment section remind me of that guy.

  • Johnny Post

    I’m a Razorback so don’t have a horse in this race other than just observation.

    I have no doubt A&M is scared of Texas Tech. We played both of them this year and Tech would destroy A&M. We should have beaten A&M but let a huge lead evaporate. Tech beat us by 12 points and it was only that close because they had a couple of TDs called back and luckily took a knee at the end when they were on our 8 yard line. This year’s Raider team is better than A&M’s.

    The word on the street here is that when the rumors started that Texas Bowl wanted an A&M/TT matchup, A&M contacted LSU and asked that they agree to go to Houston instead. A&M apparently didn’t feel it was a good matchup for them and LSU jumped at the chance to go play in a recruiting hotbed like Houston.

    I keep reading comments on here from A&M fans acting like they are football royalty. They’ve had the Razorback’s number lately (at a big downtime for us), but are generally regarded as a weak sister in the SEC. I don’t know of a fanbase that is more annoying talking about themselves constantly and acting like they are Ohio State when they are basically a watered down version of Ole Miss. The only thing they bring to the SEC is an extra geographical footprint, and our conference tried REALLY hard to get The University of Texas instead of them. Only after it became apparent that Texas wouldn’t come to the SEC was A&M even considered, and that was only because they had been begging for an invitation for years. They were an easy fallback.

    Reading these comments makes me understand why the people in the Big XII weren’t sad to see A&M leave. A&M has sucked at football for most of my lifetime, yet they act like they’re on the same level as Bama. All they do is whine because people don’t respect them, but they don’t show respect to anyone else and seem to think EVERYTHING revolves around them. They seem to care more about what everyone thinks of them than they do about actual reality. My peeps at LSU view them as a much needed automatic win every year (A&M, Vandy, and SC are the consistent weaklings year in and year out), and one of these days when my Razorbacks get our house in order we will too. Honestly, we suck too but at least we own it.

    I wish we hadn’t invited A&M to the SEC. UTexas is a much better program and their fans are less annoying. When I was growing up Tx Tech was also a much better program and I think their fans would fit in better here as well even though their school is located way out in the middle of nowhere, lol. TCU and Baylor aren’t really SEC-type schools, but both of their football teams are way better than A&M’s and I can’t imagine their fans being anywhere near as annoying.

    I think LSU will beat Tx Tech in the bowl game, but A&M would have gotten slaughtered so I understand why they ducked the game. I just wish the SEC could duck A&M and trade ’em out for Texas or Tx Tech. They are the most delusional, annoying, and whiny bunch of fans I’ve ever seen and their football team over history is no better than Mississippi State or UK — they suck.

    • MarkDuffman

      Well that about sums it up.

      It’s pretty funny reading a bunch of A&M people whining about how no one respects them yet dissing Tech at the same time. Even funnier when they say they don’t care about this whole situation yet they post angry, whiny posts at every turn.

      A&M fans are just hilarious to follow. The most bi-polar, manic depressive fanbase in the country. They’ve spent decades trying to make people think their perennial barely above .500 program isn’t a perennial barely above .500 program.

  • Robert Jones

    Aggy skeered of the Air Raid and Big Game Bob is recruiting the transferring Aggy QB. 5th place team forever = Aggy.

  • ActaNonVerba

    My Raiders would’ve for sure destroyed a&m. What just happened to their qb?

  • cnet

    Why does A&M act like a big-time program? I think that’s what ruins their credibility in so many people’s eyes. They weren’t an annual contender in the BIG12, similar to Mizzouri, and had zero BCS bowl appearances or wins.

    The SEC hasn’t been the same since adding two mid-tier BIG12 teams that had a combined zero BCS wins between them before the playoff era began. The two new teams watered down the conference which now has 14 teams. This year, there is literally one elite program, and 13 average to awful programs. Ironically, the number 1 bragging point for A&M fans is simply being a member of the SEC conference. Lol. The most overrated conference in football.

    At one point this season, writers had 10 SEC teams in the Top 25. After numerous OOC losses and struggles (many to FCS opponents) the SEC finished the year with only 4 Top 25 teams. There are 10 SEC teams not in the Top 25. Of course the committee had to throw an extra one in there for their final Top 25, still thinking about the allure of the SEC from 5 years ago I guess. Of course the SEC went 0-2 vs the BIG12 this year, both wins vs teams with winning SEC records. SEC bowl teams. Both in SEC territory.

    A&M simply isn’t in the mood to end the year with a loss to a BIG12 opponent. They’ll have to settle with a season-ending loss to a different OOC opponent. Similar to the mid-tier quality they “added” to the BIG12 when they were there.