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One week after the Paris attacks, America’s backlash over Syrian refugees shows no signs of abating.

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(Jason Hoekema/Valley Morning Star via AP)

Earlier this week, noting that two Democratic governors had already joined Republican governors, including Greg Abbott, in announcing their disinclination to accept Syrian refugees, I wrote that the ongoing backlash to Barack Obama’s plans was “not entirely polarized along party lines.” On Wednesday, Bloomberg Politics released a poll finding that 53 percent of Americans are opposed to accepting Syrian refugees; just 28 percent are in favor of continuing as planned. And earlier this afternoon, 47 Democrats in the United States House, including five from Texas, voted with the Republican majority in favor of more stringent new screening procedures for Syrian refugees seeking resettlement in the country.

It’s easy to understand why so many people are disappointed in the ongoing backlash. There’s no question that the vast majority of the 4.3 million Syrians displaced by the country’s ongoing civil war are innocent victims seeking to escape extraordinary carnage. One would think that a country the size of ours should have no problem screening and resettling a mere 10,000 of them. As my colleague R.G. explained Wednesday, Texas alone has managed to welcome greater numbers of refugees on many occasions, without falling into disarray. Beto O’Rourke, the Democratic representative from El Paso, explained yesterday that he voted against the expanded screening procedures because the ones already in effect are sufficiently robust, in his assessment.

And the backlash to this particular subset of refugees is undeniably related to the fact that most Syrians are Muslim. Obama has sternly rebuked such arguments as “shameful,” un-American, and short-sighted. At the same time, scolding the American public for Islamophobia has apparently done little to sway public opinion in favor of the refugees. I suspect that this is in part because high-minded calls for religious tolerance have sometimes been accompanied by flat denials of any religious dimension to the events that have necessitated the lectures about religious tolerance.

The debate over the Syrian refugees will continue, and tensions will surely remain high in the immediate future—especially in Texas, thanks to Breitbart Texas’s report that eight Syrians were taken into custody on Monday, in the Laredo sector. And we’ll no doubt return to the subject soon here at BurkaBlog. For now, I’ll just refer everyone once again to Graeme Wood’s examination, from March of this year, on what ISIS actually wants—an invaluable piece of reporting that can help everyone approach the issue with more clarity.

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  • Rules of Blazon

    You posted this just to try to smear Democrats with the culpability that only Republicans truly bear. It’s not the height of intellectual dishonesty, but it’s close. Shameful.

    • Erica Grieder

      Dude you really need to get a new hobby.

      • Rules of Blazon

        I won’t reciprocate with my advice for you.

        • Erica Grieder

          Yes, another example of the uninformed yet pompous drivel that led me to block you on Twitter immediately after you started haranguing me there, and which you’ve subsequently displayed in every comment I’ve seen you leave here. Hence my advice to you.

          • Rules of Blazon

            I get that you don’t like to be challenged, and I respect your prerogative to dodge and deflect rather than engage. Maybe that’s the right choice for you.

          • Erica Grieder

            At the risk of being rude, you’re hardly a challenge.

          • Rules of Blazon

            Is that a reasonable conclusion to draw from what is posted here and elsewhere?

    • dave in texas

      Only Republicans? Did you not see that 47 Democrats (among them, to my embarrassment, is my representative, Lloyd Doggett) voted for the Orwellian-named American Security Against Foreign Enemies Act? Christ on a crutch, there’s plenty of blame to go around in this shameful episode.

      • Rules of Blazon

        Of course there is. And it’s equally obvious where it should be assigned, embarrassing votes notwithstanding.

        • dave in texas

          Can you even hear what you’re saying? “…embarrassing votes notwithstanding?” You’re going to insist that Republicans take 100% of the blame and excuse any and all Democrats for their role in promulgating this BS? Personally, I’m in favor of holding my representatives responsible for the bad votes they make. In fact, I called Representative Doggett’s office yesterday and chewed out some poor young staffer for the vote her boss had just taken.

          If you’re going to completely absolve all Democrats so that you can continue to abuse all Republicans, you’re no different than JBB, the ability to write coherent sentences with proper spelling and punctuation notwithstanding, of course.

          • Rules of Blazon

            As you know, Republicans in Congress moved aggressively to force this unnecessary vote in part to bait Democratic representatives in certain districts to hedge their bets. Among other things, this creates fodder for the false-equivalence peddlers of the world.

            I don’t buy it for a minute, and neither should you. Doggett is doing what he feels he needs to do to retain his seat, nothing more. Not the right move, but the pointlessly defensive manoeuvre doesn’t put him at fault on par with Greg Abbott or Paul Ryan — not even close.

          • dave in texas

            Lloyd Doggett has one of the most reliably Democratic seats in the state. If anything, this kind of thing might provoke a primary challenge, if he didn’t have enough of a campaign war chest to money-whip any challenger he might get.
            I’ve railed against false equivalence here and elsewhere for years. This isn’t me creating a false equivalence; this is you completely refusing to acknowledge the Democrats’ part in making this possible. Yes, this is an overwhelmingly Republican initiative, but the Republicans were aided and abetted by a contingent of Democrats who were afraid to stand up for their convictions. I wasn’t putting Doggett on a par with Abbott or Ryan, but I think you know that. I want to hold him responsible; you want to excuse him completely for no other reason than that he has that D by his name. The world is not nearly as Manichean as you seem to want to make it.

          • Rules of Blazon

            I agree that Doggett did the wrong thing, and I don’t excuse him for his political malpractice here. (You would think we’ve learned something after the Iraq debacle). But that doesn’t change the fact that Republicans, as a party, are singularly responsible both for placing our refugee policy in issue and for politicizing it. That’s wrong — horribly, inexcusably wrong — and it’s all their fault.

          • Unwound

            “Republicans, as a party, are singularly responsible both for placing our refugee policy in issue and for politicizing it”

            no.

          • Rules of Blazon

            Yes.

          • What is about democrats? Spelling bothers them but terrorist wanting to kill them doesn’t.
            After President Obama’s speech I believe it was Krauthammer who said it best this week, “President Obama seems unengaged and delusional.”
            Yep that pretty much sums up the dem party.

          • John Shepherd

            Now THAT’S a load of pure horseshit if there ever WERE one, and if you didn’t already know that, well now you do. Get a life.

          • Indiana Pearl

            He doesn’t have a life.

          • Jed

            i blame the media for credulously repeating the initial republican talking points. if pundits hadn’t validated the notion that concerns about vetting were well-founded, then the truth that the vetting process is highly rigorous might have had a chance to sink in. this has fed on itself.

            the politicians certainly know better. but the media gave them cover. TM most definitely included.

    • Indiana Pearl

      ,All who voted for this shameful episode bear the responsibility for their cowardice.

    • Vik Verma

      Why are you so upset about this piece. It doesn’t talk about culpability. In any case, the 47 Democrats deserve blow back on this. And I’m not really happy that Nancy Pelosi made absolutely no effort to even avoid a veto-proof majority

      • Rules of Blazon

        As you note, it doesn’t talk about culpability. That’s for the reason I pointed out.

        Whatever blowback Democrats deserve for their bad votes does not compare — and should never be compared — to what Republicans deserve for their amoral xenophobia and their reprehensible political tactics.

        The only aspect of this issue worth discussing is what should happen to the Republicans for what they’ve done.

      • Jed

        presumably (hopefully?) she would work harder to defend the veto if and when it comes.

    • nickthap

      Erica’s “source”–the Breitbart article–has been debunked, as well. http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2015/nov/20/greg-abbott/greg-abbott-claims-syrians-caught-mexico-border-re/

      I agree, this is shameful reporting/blogging/whatever-you-want=to-call-it.

      • Rules of Blazon

        Anyone with a semblance of a brain and a conscience recognizes that the Republican reaction to the Paris attacks has been patently unacceptable, bordering on monstrous.

        And it goes well beyond what Republicans are saying and doing about Syrian refugees–they are now expressing their religious bigotry overtly. Just look at some of the comments here. Disgusting! No surprise Texas mosques are being attacked, as the scum of our state feel emboldened by our fascist governor and his Republican support base to lash out violently at innocent Texans.

        So, what should a reasonable Texas reporter/blogger do about this?

        Not what has been done here, to put it as charitably as I possibly can.

  • Indiana Pearl

    This is a shameful episode in American history – Christofascism unleashed.

  • John Johnson

    “I want to kill you; I want others to kill you if I can’t get to you; I want to flood as many Muslim people as I can into your country so that their numbers will grow, and when the time is right, we will call them to action. Who do you think they will respond to? You infidels or those blessed and guided by Allah and the Koran? You are so gullible; the Christian principles you hold so dear will laughingly be the cause of your defeat and annihilation”.

    Can’t hear anyone saying that? I do in every action they take. They all but spell it out for us, yet our president and a minority of citizens have this motherly instinct to welcome them with open arms and hold them dear. The wolf dressed as Red Riding Hood’s granny.

    You can call it fear, being diligent, being ignorant…even racist or and stupid. I don’t care. We should not be letting them into our country.

    There, I’ve said. I feel much better. My church, my friends, my neighbors be damned. We are being told by the fanatics and their guidebook that we are targets. I am going to take them seriously.

    • Rules of Blazon

      The folks you listed aren’t the ones who will be damned.

      • John Johnson

        Thank you, Bishop Blazon.

        • Rules of Blazon

          There’s still time to change the road you’re on.

          (Zeppelin!)

          • John Johnson

            Nope. Feel good. Clarity feels good.

    • Unwound

      it must really be terrible to be this fearful all the time.

      • John Johnson

        I feel great. Always good to weigh what’s in front of you, develop a game plan and prepare. Of course, they say ignorance is bliss…or denial.

      • Indiana Pearl

        I remember the Red Scare and Joe McCarthy, Cruz’s alter ego. Another shameful episode where the lives many were destroyed by right-wing paranoia.

    • jammerjim

      Never in my life have I seen so many brave and true Texans collectively wet the bed over a bunch of refugees. What’s ironic is your behavior is exactly what ISIS wants. They *hate* the fact these people are trying to get away from them.

      • John Johnson

        I feel good. No shakes. Nothing. ISIS wants to kill us. They want Muslims to migrate and infiltrate. That’s my take. Won’t try and convince you otherwise.

        • jammerjim

          And I want a horse that poops gold. The first step is plausible. The second? Eh. Honestly, this is just like the panic over letting German Jews in back in the Nazi days. Spies and sabatouers[sic] were also feared then too. And not far from what caused the Japanese internment.

        • Rules of Blazon

          (James Brown!)

          • John Johnson

            Yeah, Baby!

        • Indiana Pearl

          You suffer from acute Islamophobia as you have stated in the past. This plays right into your fears.

          Obama will veto the bill if it gets through the Senate, so you’ll have to continue to hide under the bed.

          • John Johnson

            No hiding. No shaking. Just a clear persecutive

          • Indiana Pearl

            Get some Valium. 10-1 says Obama will veto the bill. Then, like Rumpelstiltskin, you will fly into a rage and turn into a heap.

            Sorry.

          • John Johnson

            I don’t need a crutch. Besides, I just expect the worst with the WPE…so there are no surprises and mood swings when he fulfills prophesy.

          • Indiana Pearl

            “Persecutive”? Freudian slip? You definitely seem to feel “persecuted.”

          • John Johnson

            Maybe Autofill thinks so. Autofill is my worst enema.

          • Jed

            freudian slip!

          • John Johnson

            We’ll see. May have enough votes by then to override. This is not a Repub vs Dem thing.

          • Indiana Pearl

            I disagree.

          • John Johnson

            With what? So what? We are not going to agree on this. No need to tell me.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Read the article by Graeme Wood.

      • Indiana Pearl
    • Indiana Pearl

      This quote above — who said it?

      • John Johnson

        I did. It’s what I hear the fanatics saying. You must have missed it.

        • Indiana Pearl

          I’m not a Dittohead.

          • John Johnson

            What’s a ditto head?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Google it. I’m tired of doing your homework.

          • John Johnson

            You normally send me to slanted sites, and slanted pieces. Occasionally, I’ll get a good link like the Rolling Stone article. I know what a dittohead is. I haven’t listened to Rush in years. I no longer watch O’reilly or Hannity. Your name calling doesn’t hurt me, but if it makes you feel better…

          • Indiana Pearl

            So where did the “fanatics” quote come from?

            You think the NYT and WaPo are “slanted.” Their opinion writers are opinionated, but their reportage is better than most.

          • John Johnson

            Not necessarily. I subscribe to WaPo. Catch NYT pieces that are passed along. Milbanks is a loon; so is Krugman. There are others. I read a bit of it all.

          • Indiana Pearl

            George Will is a loon and David Brooks believes we should have an aristocracy. That didn’t work out too well for the French.

            Will called O’Reilly a liar. Billo was very, very cross about it . . .

          • John Johnson

            I read Wills piece; heard about O’reilly’s blow-up. The guys head is so big, it’s bound to explode.

          • WUSRPH

            Anyone, like George Will, who believes as I do that the adoption of the designated hitter rule by the junior circuit in baseball was the beginning of the end of Western Civilization cannot be a loon….

            P.S. I think you are off on Brooks…There is a difference between an “aristocracy” and a educated Platonic elite. One is just born into the status, the other has to be developed and allows those not “born to it” to move up. In that regard, it is a meritocracy, not an aristocracy.

          • Jed

            1) brooks is not capable of the nuanced distinction you just made (er, attempted).
            2) unfortunately, your distinction is incorrect anyway. meritocracy IS the original conception of aristocracy, as used by the greek philosophers (like Plato).

            either might have been closer to what the american founders wanted than a democracy. but democracy is the sine qua non today, for reasons that i would have thought were obvious. here are a couple:
            a) who is the arbiter of merit?
            b) even if we could all agree on who was most meritorious in any particular context, why would we want that person or those people making decisions for us, even in that context? what if their interests do not align with ours?

          • WUSRPH

            I was distinguishing between the way the two terms are most often used today. To most folks, an aristocracy is a ruling group into which one is born while a meritocracy is a group that someone becomes a member of because of their characteristics (mental, etc.). The difference between Plato’s conception and that of the French aristocracy to which reference was made was that although Plato recognized that some were born to be gold, some to silver and base metal status, he provided that one’s merits could be recognized and result in your moving up the ladder to the ruling class. (Of course, you could sometimes buy your way into an aristocracy. Many have over the centuries…but at least for the first generation of two you would be considered “nouveau riche” by those whose families go the rank before yours did.)

          • Jed

            yes plato did have a caste plus merit conception of society, as did our founders.

            as to oligarchy, it isn’t necessary to the concept of “rule by wealth” that the rule and the wealth always remain in the same hands. you can claim we have an equal opportunity society (if you want!) but that doesn’t mean it can’t also be true that we are ruled by the wealthy, whomever (whoever?) they may happen to be.

            but even that elitist aristotle knew why oligarchy is inherently corrupt – because the interests of the oligarchs will inevitably conflict with the interests of the polity at large and lean instead toward the continued enrichment and empowerment of the wealthy.

            that looks pretty familiar to me; you may disagree.

          • WUSRPH

            The tendency of those on top to see their needs and goals as being the ones necessary for the good of society as a whole is more than common. This is something that we have struggled with in this country from the beginning……to date we have at least stumbled thru and forward. …many question whether that is possible in the mass age in which we now live .
            I am not sure myself.

          • John Johnson

            Good back and forth between you two. I learned something. No test yet, please.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Let’s define terms.

          • Jed

            i think we just did.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Inherited vs. earned should be one distinction. Any idiot can be born into an aristocratic family. We’ve seen enough of that recently.

            The caste system in India stifles the development of talent in that culture.

          • Jed

            well, we are using the words differently.

            i understand aristocracy in the classical sense, which means “rule by the best.” the way you are using the term (“aristocratic family”), i recognize as a conventional usage, but in that context i would rather use the term “plutocratic” (assuming you mean the word in a class- and wealth-based sense) or “wealthy,” or just plain “rich.”

          • Indiana Pearl

            Good diferentiation . . . How about “oligarch”?

          • Indiana Pearl

            “Cadets de bonne famille” was my interpretation. No riff-raff need apply.

          • Unwound

            oreilly is a liar and will is a hack. theyre both right.

          • WUSRPH

            And Krauthammer is a Romulan.

          • Indiana Pearl

            So he is. Sometimes he’s even a Rational Romulan . . .

          • John Johnson

            You say that all the time. Is that a Trekie term? Never watched it. Does it mean intelligent?

          • WUSRPH

            The Romulans are the EVIList of all the various races and people in the Universe. They are always scheming to take over…..They combine the intelligence (or logical skills) of the Vulcans (their close cousins) with being bad guys. I can him one both because of those characteristics and the fact that he just looks a lot like one.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulan

          • John Johnson

            Wasn’t ever much into that. Of course, caught the early Star Wars stuff and bought lots of the characters for my son.

          • Indiana Pearl

            I wish we’d saved all the “Star Wars” stuff. It’s quite valuable now.

          • John Johnson

            Mine still has a bunch of his. My grandson has it now.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Maybe you can use it to fund your retirement.

          • John Johnson

            My family has pretty much always paid it forward.

          • Indiana Pearl

            How could anyone come of age in the ’60s and not watch “Star Trek”?

          • Dems are angry at Krauthammer because he worked for Mondale, won a pulitzer prize for coining the phrase the Reagan Doctrine and like most dems he found himself without a job and got a job with Fox. But what was the final straw he criticized President Obama even going so far as to call him delusional this week.
            He can never go home again.

          • John Johnson

            Delusional is too nice a term.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Dems are angry with Krauthammer because he has bushy eyebrows. His training as a psychiatrist helps him explain complex concepts to Baggers in simple language.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Did I call you a name?

          • John Johnson

            Sorry. No you didn’t.

        • Indiana Pearl

          So who are the “fanatics”? I doubt you’re hanging out at the local mosque.

          • John Johnson

            What do you mean “who are the fanatics”? It is these type questions from you that constantly have me scratching my head. Is it not obvious?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Who do you mean? Where do you get your info? You’re not being specific.

          • John Johnson

            Damn, Pearl…it’s the guys in black cutting off people’s heads; it’s the lunatics blowing themselves up; it’s the people shooting fish in a barrel at a dance club and blowing half the head off a guy sitting and having a glass of wine at a corner cafe; it’s the people blowing themselves up and taking innocents with them. What do you mean, “where do you get your info”?

          • WUSRPH

            Oh…you mean like the Stern Gang and Menachem Begin and the Irgun or maybe the the Provisional IRA?

          • John Johnson

            Yeah, I guess that fits, but not here. Not in this conversation.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Actually, the long war between the Brits and the IRA is a PERFECT example of what we’re dealing with here. The Brits viewed it as a criminal matter (my Irish ancestors notwithstanding). Americans are paranoid, so convert it into a “Clash of Civilization.”

          • John Johnson

            No, it’s not.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Someone must tell you this stuff. They don’t tell me, so I can only assume you get your info from Fear Factor folks.

          • Indiana Pearl

            I KNOW who. What I am trying to learn is who has MADE YOU so fearful of something that is unlikely to harm you in America. Is it TV news, print news, your golfing buddies, talk radio, your church, your neighbors?

            I was terrified of sharks in my youth – which was silly because I lived 1000 miles from the nearest ocean.

          • John Johnson

            Concerned is a better word. Attentive might be used. Diligent. Any number of them. Terrified or scared are the ones you choose to use. I don’t rely on anyone’s interpretation but my own. I have watched videos of them personally announcing what they want to do and videos of what they have and have not done.

          • Unwound

            diligent or fearful, the pants crapping is still the same.

          • John Johnson

            What a hoot. That post might be one of the stupidest ever posted on BurkaBlog. Don’t let you personal dislike for me or my position on this issue turn you into a blathering dunce. Think about it before you spout off. Turn to a dictionary. Seek help. Do something.

          • Unwound

            naw

    • WUSRPH

      What distinguishes these small handful of Syrian refugees from all the “invading groups” of the past—the Irish, the east Europeans, the Jews and on and on—who we have been told thruout our nation’s history were going to overwhelm us (they “breed like rabbits”) and change our culture, our language and our religion? Is it that they are TODAY’s “yellow peril” and not yesterday’s? Or, is that do you think they intend to kill us all? The fact is that those in he past DID in many ways change our culture, our language and our dominant religion….but most people think America is better for it today. (My grandmother would disagree but then she did not approve of anyone whose ancestors got here after about 1700 anyway.) Of course, we need to try to insure that there are not some “fifth columnists” hiding among the refugees…but we have ways to doing that now without all the politically based fear mongering. Again, we are only talking about 10,000 people who will be carefully screened…not opening the flood gates to all comers.

      • John Johnson

        I know how minute the number 10000 is. To me, that is no longer the point. It is the religious aspect. No Muslims. I take the fanatics at their word; I view the the silence from the Muslim immigrant population here, when atrocities occur, as a really bad indicator; either they are too scared of the alpha dogs to bark their displeasure or they are ambivalent to the actions. Either is bad.

        • Unwound

          again, youre perfectly comfortable with scenarios just like the one i posted the other day repeating themselves, simply because you cant realize that these people are running away from ISIS, not coming here to work for them. terrorists are more likely to come in via a tourist visa.

          • John Johnson

            You got me to thinking and being honest with myself yesterday. I am against bringing in any Muslim refugees, and your scenario is accurate. Those coming via visas should be blocked, too. On one hand you have Muslim terrorists telling us they are going to kill us; on the other you have a group of Muslim immigrants here in the U.S. whose history shows a proclivity for public demonstration, as quiet as church mice after massacres carried out by fanatics in the name of Allah. This leads me to believe they are afraid of retribution or silently support the religious loons. Either way, if push comes to shove over here, it appears questionable whose team they would play on. It appears a majority of Americans agree with me. It would make no difference if I were in the minority. Like you, I am very comfortable with my position.

          • Indiana Pearl

            An American kid walked into a school and killed 20 little kids. We did nothing, absolutely nothing, to prevent that from happening again.

            I don’t fear Muslims. I fear crazy Americans.

          • John Johnson

            Yeah, we got our share of crazies, too. They need help, but our government would rather pay tax dollars to bring in and support refugees than to identify and provide help to the mentally ill here in the U.S. Go figure.

          • Indiana Pearl

            We could pay for a fair and just society if we raised taxes on the oligarchs and cut defense spending (over 50% of our GDP). Your guys have “other priorities,” as Cheney so tactlessly expressed it.

          • John Johnson

            Who are “you other guys”?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Baggers.

          • Indiana Pearl

            I said “your guys,” meaning folks on the political right.

          • Jed

            they aren’t all mentally ill. they are all christian. should we be banning christians, too?

          • WUSRPH

            You apparently haven’t been listing to the right church mice, since this is only one of many stories of American Muslims condemning the terrorists.

            http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/u.s.-muslim-leaders-respond-to-france-attacks/article/2576360

          • Indiana Pearl

            The article Ms. G. cited by Graeme Wood is helpful, although anecdotal. What is interesting is the emphasis ISIS places on locationlocationlocation. For the caliphate to reach its apocalyptic crisis, it must be in the middle east. Bagdadi, the so-called “caliph,” doesn’t envision the movement expanding farther west than Istanbul.

            They’re not planning to conquer Texas.

          • WUSRPH

            The last Caliph was the last Sultan of Turkey. The post has been vacant since WW I. The caliphate has been passed around among various Middle Eastern cities over the centuries as one faction seized it from another. It was in Baghdad and Cairo for extended periods before it wound up in Turkey.

          • Indiana Pearl

            That’s not what Baghdadi is preaching to his ISIS followers.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Now it’s in Raqqa, Syria.

          • John Johnson

            Wow, two guys representing “Muslims” say not to get bent out of joint. I wonder who pays their salaries? The Saudi Royal Family? This obscure declaration is almost as good as a 1,000,000 man march, don’t you think? They come from a society that take to the streets over the slightest slight or minor beef. Here we hear nary a peep…and it is certainly not because they have become so thoroughly assimilated.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Cop out . . .

          • WUSRPH

            How about Hindus? Should we ban them too?
            Hindu nationalists in India have proclaimed that they want to make the county totally Hindu. They have destroyed Muslim shrines and mosques and murdered Muslims…All in the name of their faith.
            With your position you should be calling for a total ban on any Indians being allowed to enter the U.S. After all, they might adopt the same practices here. They just haven’t gotten the same publicity….because they have basically kept it at home…..In fact, most the victims of ISIS have been their fellow Middle Easterners. I presume if they did not occasionally stray to another country to strike back against those who have bombed them, you wouldn’t care what they were doing.

          • John Johnson

            You want to keep expanding the conversation. We are talking about Muslims. Muslims who have stated very publically their desire to kill all us infidels, and have tangibly acted upon their desire to do so. Then we have thousands here in the U.S. who fail to vociferously condemn these desires and actions of their fellow Muslims. Should Hindus also decide that we need to be eradicated and start acting upon this impulse, we will certainly need to address it.

          • WUSRPH

            You would not be satisfied until every American Muslim puts on sack cloth and goes from city to city flogging themselves like the flagellants of the middle ages.

          • John Johnson

            Well…maybe somewhere in between doing this and what they are doing now…which is basically nothing.

          • WUSRPH

            They are proclaiming their objection to what has happened and condemning it….what else do you want?

          • John Johnson

            Weak tea protests by a handful of Muslims. Middle Easterners are as loud and vocal a group of people you will find in the world when riled up. Where is this fervor? Where are the bodies?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Narendra Modi would shut down all the BBQ joints in Texas!

          • Jed

            i think we should just ban religious people altogether.

            i mean, while we’re completely ignoring the constitution and the declaration and all.

          • Indiana Pearl

            I disagree that American Muslims are subject to “public demonstration.” They have been treated most atrociously in this country many times.

            I could tell you stories about hate directed to Muslims I’ve known, but I won’t waste my time.

          • John Johnson

            They need to be publically demonstrating. They, like sheep huddle in their mosques. Either they are afraid of the fanatics or silently agree with them.

          • Indiana Pearl

            I suspect they fear them as well as American Christians. The two Sfghan families

          • John Johnson

            Yep, they should. Our president, Hillary and Kerry won’t say Islamic terrorists, but you throw out Christian fanatics and American Christians as if all crazy people here are Christians. Go figure. You wear me out.

          • Indiana Pearl
          • John Johnson

            And then there’s you.

          • WUSRPH

            At last they did not burn it down (this time). Reminds me of when the mob of Good Christians in Boston burned down the Ursuline Nun’s Convent in 1834 to “stop the Catholicization of America.” There will always be religious and other kinds of fanatics who fear anyone who thinks or believes differently than they do.

          • John Johnson

            Hey, I am not defending Christians as being lilly white. As discussed here before, there have been plenty of atrocities carried out by Christians going back through the ages. Being fearful of another religion that is not threatening you is one thing; having Muslims threaten, warn and act upon those warnings is another. To ignore them, or stick your head in the sand is stupid. To say it won’t or can’t happen to us is stupid. To say that we have nothing to fear from Muslim immigrants here is ignorant. I imagine Europeans were once espousing the same tune. Obama and people like you are blind to all of this. Others like me will attempt to insure these Islamic terrorists don’t establish footholds here in any shape, form or fashion, while our president and people like you act as enablers.

          • WUSRPH

            Many said the same things about Catholics, Jews, Japanese and many, many other groups. No one wants terrorists…..but banning all for the sins of a few is not the way we do things in this country. People have tried that tactic in the past….but NEVER AGAIN.

          • John Johnson

            Quit comparing apples to oranges.

          • Indiana Pearl

            You have a phobia – an irrational fear. Talk to your doctor or your pastor.

          • John Johnson

            You just don’t know what you’re talking about. Your vocabulary seems to be limited, as well. Fear vs diligence. Fear vs preventive. Do you have a phobia of dying? An irrational fear of developing cancer? Does going to a doctor once a year indicate you have a phobia? Stopping smoking an irrational fear? Enough of this.

          • Indiana Pearl

            I know irrational fear when I see it. You’ve got it.

          • John Johnson

            Hahaha. I don’t care what you think.

          • WUSRPH

            The problem is that it isn’t apples and oranges. You just cannot accept the fact that what you are advocating and what you demand of American Muslins is nothing new. Your policy is guilt by association or by belief or race or nationality. And it is something we have done in this country many times before to Germans, Japanese, Italians, Irish, Mexicans, Catholics, Jews, Socialists, Mormons, Communists, Nazis and many others—including AMERICAN CITIZENS in each group—because of what they believe or what they are.. Today it is Muslims but I am convinced that In 1941 you would have been screaming to round up all those Japs and make the PROVE their are GOOD AMERICANS. Who will it be next? We are supposed to believe that ALL men and women, religions and beliefs are PROTECTED by our Constitution. We are also supposed to believe that no one is guilty until proven guilty. But you have, in effect, convicted millions because of what a few have done and a few believe. To that I say NEVER AGAIN…..I stand with George Washington in proclaiming that:

            “The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for giving to Mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection, should demean themselves as good citizens.”

          • John Johnson

            Well now I know your position on this, and you know mine. Seen the polls? By now, you should know that most Americans have the same opinion about this that I do. This is different; you can’t, or refuse, to see it.

          • WUSRPH

            In case you have not figured it out yet. it is preciously
            BECAUSE you and others believe what you do that people like me have to stand up and say NEVER AGAIN. You may be willing to allow the fearful mob to trample upon the Constitution BUT I will not join in repudiating everything that this country is supposed to stand for because, unlike you and the mob, I believe in the Constitution ALL THE TIME and not just when it is convenient. That is why I choose to stand with Washington against bigotry and with Benjamin Franklin in the belief that “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” And that is why, when you and the mob, come to round up whomever your current “THEM” may be, I hope I will have the courage to demand that you will have to take me with them.

          • John Johnson

            Show me how denying someone outside the country is stepping on the Constitution.

          • WUSRPH

            You have gotten far beyond simply opposing letting Syrian Refugees into the country. You have gone as far as to question the loyalty of all American Muslims….a large part of whom did not originate in the Middle East and are not Arabs, Iraqis, Afghans of Palestinians.
            You have not (yet) gone as far as Trump and Carson and others in advocating placing all Muslims under close surveillance and tracking all “unn-American groups”….But you have gotten close and are getting closer.
            It is a very, very short step from declaring that

          • John Johnson

            Then why don’t you wait until I advocate trailing Muslim immigrants or taking away the rights of U.S. Muslim citizens? Refusing entry and enforcing visa infractions is all I have proposed. My critical comments of the anemic response of Muslim U.S. citizens are a true reflection of how I feel and one of the primary reasons I do not want more of them allowed into the country. So please quit expanding the discussion with me.

          • WUSRPH

            If all you want is to make certain that any Syrian refugees entering the US are carefully vetted, what are you complaining about? It is being done and no one…including WPE…has suggested anything else.

            What is of continuing concern is your willingness to judge an entire group of people from all parts of the world whose only common characteristic is their religious belief. Having fears about what such a willingness to pre-judge people can lead to and the evils it has produced in the past is not “expanding the discussion”. It is part and parcel of a discussion in which the loyalty of an entire group of American citizens is being questioned. That, to me, is not the “American way”.

          • John Johnson

            No, you are not reading my position at all. I don’t want to waste time vetting; I don’t want them admitted to the country. No more Muslim refugees.

          • Unwound

            thats some stone cold bigotry for you folks.

            theres basically nothing they could do at this point to satisfy you. no matter what action would be taken, i guarantee that youd want the goalposts moved backwards.

          • John Johnson

            See how this all works? I express my opinion and you get to express yours. The fact you don’t agree with me affects me not one iota. I don’t care what you think.

          • Unwound

            well hi diddley ho, aint that a heartbreaker.

          • John Johnson

            Hahaha. You OK today? Day drinking?

          • Unwound

            i dont drink. straight edge XX

          • John Johnson

            Fooled me. “I’m a person just like you…”

          • Unwound

            i have no idea what that means. but ok.

          • John Johnson

            It’s the first line to a ditty written by a Straight Edger.
            “”I’m a person just like you
            But I’ve got better things to do
            Than sit around and f**k my head
            Hang out with the living dead
            Snort white sh*t up my nose
            Pass out at the shows
            I don’t even think about speed
            That’s something I just don’t need

            I’ve got the straight edge”

          • Unwound

            *nods*

            i was never too much into hardcore but i always really liked fugazi.

          • John Johnson

            Foreign to me.

          • Unwound

            in the interest of disclosure, i used to drink, but i dont now on doctors orders due to a medication interaction. i have nothing against bars or alcohol consumption.

          • John Johnson

            Nor do I. I used to consume a lot; very seldom now. Smokes and drink went together like peanut butter and jelly. When I quit smoking, I pretty much quit the alcohol, too.

          • Indiana Pearl

            He and Booksie always start talking about drinking when they’re frustrated with liberals.

          • WUSRPH

            You had better put a roof on that Fortress America you and Trump apparently want.

          • John Johnson

            Hahaha. That comes after the walls are up.

          • Indiana Pearl

            There’s a new series on Amazon about what the world would be like if the Nazis won the war. It’s called “The Man in the High Castle.”

            Art imitates life . . .

          • BCinBCS

            “Then why don’t you wait until I advocate trailing Muslim immigrants or taking away the rights of U.S. Muslim citizens?”

            Because by that time it will be too late.

          • John Johnson

            You seem to forget that the Constitution has something to say about that. Not enough protection for you?

          • WUSRPH

            The Constitution did not protect the Japanese Americans in WWII….It did not protect the Cherokees in Georgia…It is only as good as the willingness of the govt. and the people to enforce it…..The Donald has no respect for its protections…

          • John Johnson

            Guess someone will have to stand up for them.

          • Jed

            we can all hope that the current supreme court is wiser than the one(s) 75 and 180 years ago.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Highly unlikely . . .

          • Jed

            read it first, then see if you can answer your own question. if you can’t, check back in.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Fox News . . .

          • Jed

            the peopple supported those other atrocities, too. doesn’t make it right.

            now they (or their ancestors) are embarrassed. yours will be, too.

          • Unwound

            hes not.

          • Jed

            what percentage of christians as evil would you be willing to tolerate? it seems you have zero tolerance for evil people of other faiths, so …

          • John Johnson

            Well, since I am a member of the Christian team, what do you think? Furthermore, I do not think all are “evil”. Many are simply misguided sheep. But enough of this. You know how I feel. I am not going to change your mind, or you mine. No more from me.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Secular humanism gonna get you!

          • John Johnson

            Catholics abused you; you hate Christians. Seek counseling. Your rabid hatred of anything Christian, which you equate to anything Republican, keeps you from being anything here but a ideologue. I’m not going to change your mind; you are not going to change mine, so why waste time going back and forth. Let’s just wait for the next thread.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Carholics DID NOT ABUSE ME!!!!! I disagreed with the doctrine and left the church.

          • WUSRPH
          • John Johnson

            Terrible, wasn’t it? And that relates to these Islamic terrorists exactly how?

          • WUSRPH

            It illustrates that this is not the first time that we have been faced with a invasion of people who do not share our faith and who “want to take over” the country. We survived that round of bigotry. We will survive this one as well. Those Papists who so threatened our “way of life…our culture…or religion” seem to have become fairly “Americanized”….The same will happen with the Muslims….

          • John Johnson

            Stop it. You are not comparing apples to apples. The Catholics did not have a faction in Rome cutting off heads of American infidels, they had not killed thousands of us on our home soil, they did not say “we are coming to kill all of you”, they were not recruiting young American Catholics to take up arms against the U.S., and they had not given us a precursor of what to expect by terrorizing European countries. What is it you don’t understand about this?

          • BCinBCS

            JJ, I don’t recall the US imposing restrictions on German and Japanese immigration (except for war criminals) after WWII. How is it that those who hated and wanted to kill Americans back then were welcomed to this country. Could it be that our parents exemplified the true American spirit and you do not? Your attitude, despite your protestations, is illogical and pure paranoia.

          • John Johnson

            I am scratching my head. You are comparing defeated WWII enemies to the Muslim fanatics? The Christian’s and Muslim’s rift goes back to the days of Ishmael and Issac. Furthermore, WWII was a conventional war. The war the Muslim fanatics are waging is anything but conventional. To compare any aspect of our treatment of the Japanese during WWII and how the majority of Americans think we should treat refugees today is goofy in my opinion, but as with others here, I’m sure this does not register with you.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Secular humanist with all my marbles . . .

          • Indiana Pearl

            Why didn’t YOU demonstrate publicly when eight black folks were murdered by a white supremacist in Charleston?

          • Unwound

            hey maybe we shouldnt have let cubans come into america in the 70s

            http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9F02EEDE1E38E53BBC4051DFB767838D669EDE

          • John Johnson

            Cubans are prediminately Catholics. We had elected a Catholic as President. There was no deep, Biblically seated hatred between the Cubans and the U.S. The Cubans had not used subterfuge to gain access to our country and massacre thousands of innocent people. They did not have a worship book labeling us infidels and calling for our death. They did not treat women as slaves and second class human beings. No other group of people in the world whom we allow into our country has done all this. They are different and should be treated different.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Some Americans who post here believe Catholics aren’t Christian.

          • John Johnson

            Catholics are not Protestants. The cross is the crux of both.

          • Unwound

            man you really hate muslims dont you

          • John Johnson

            Hate is a strong word. I hate a few of them. I distrust many of them. I hurt for some of them.

          • Unwound

            “a group of Muslim immigrants here in the U.S. whose history shows a proclivity for public demonstration, as quiet as church mice after massacres carried out by fanatics in the name of Allah”

            they arent responsible for the massacres, they dont have to apologize for them.

          • John Johnson

            Please don’t make up stuff as we go along here. Who said anything about apologizing, or that Muslims here were “responsible”??? Where is that posted?

          • Unwound

            so then what do you want them to do after a terrorist attack occurs? if youre asking that they do something, then youre indicating some shared responsibility

          • John Johnson

            Another in a line of ignorant posts from you. Condemning the Islamic terrorists would show culpability?

          • Unwound

            i didnt go out into the streets protesting after 9/11 and im pretty sure all you did was get angry online. what exactly would you like them to do?

          • WUSRPH

            He has told us that 9-11 destroyed his business and almost ruined him. I think a lot of his hatred and fear of Muslims is a result of that experience. He, of course, will deny any connection…..

          • Indiana Pearl

            He was on a rant a couple of weeks ago about inter-racial couples shown in commercials during football games.

          • John Johnson

            Just what they would be doing at home if they didn’t like something.

          • Unwound

            getting angry online?

          • John Johnson

            Naw…taking to the streets repeating angry chants.

          • Indiana Pearl

            They’d get their heads chopped off in their homeland.

          • John Johnson

            Not if they are screaming “death to America”.

          • Indiana Pearl

            But if they’re demonstrating against their own brutal dictators, they would.

          • Jed

            it’s pointed out to you that you are being inconsistent with your discriminatory wishes, so you decide the solution is to double-down and become more discriminative. brilliant.

            every episode in our history with elements similar to this one (and many episodes in other nations’s histories) is now viewed with embarrassment for the side you are currently advocating. in other words, you are embarrassing yourself for all time with these comments.

            you have children, right? is this how you want them to remember you?

          • John Johnson

            This is different than any past threat. You just refuse to study and acknowlege same. Look at France. That is us in a few years if we stay on the current head in the sand course that you and others here advocate for. Not me.

          • Jed

            i do refuse to acknowledge, yes. as for studying, i think i’m covered.

            in ALL the parallel instances people are naming for you, the people then said the same thing. “this time it’s different.” turns out, not so much. as john oliver put it, managing miniscule risks is part of modern life, a tradeoff that we tolerate because the benefits of doing the right thing far outweigh the risks.

            mcraven just gave a speech a couple days ago in which he said we need a decades long effort to eradicate ISIS, because if we don’t stop them over there, they will come here yada yada. i bet he knows that’s been said before in other times and places (the vietnamese did invade, but only to find jobs), and i bet he thinks “this time it’s different.”

            so yes, you’re not alone. but that won’t help your legacy any.

          • John Johnson

            You are simply wrong. What more can I say. If we want to have France like problems down the road, we follow your “do nothing” plan.

          • Jed

            even france disagrees with you.

          • Indiana Pearl

            JJ, France was a colonial power for centuries with colonies all over the middle east and Africa. Where do you think so many French Muslims came from? Turkey and Europe are connected by land, not thousands of miles of ocean. Syrians are not going to paddle to our shores in an outrigger canoe.

            You have become paranoid. I realize you have a lot on your plate right now. Make sure you understand what you REALLY fear.

    • BCinBCS

      JJ, as a general rule, I like you and I somewhat like what you believe…that is until recently. For some reason, you seem to have lost your perspective during the last two years. You have developed an “if I don’t see it with my own eyes, I don’t believe it” and a “if I believe it, despite all evidence to the contrary, then it must be true” attitude.

      Now you are all hair-on-fire about Syrian refugees who are conspiring to waste the next one and one-half years of their lives immigrating to the United States so that they can kill as many Americans as possible. Why would anyone but a fool do this when they could immediately fly to the US on a tourist or student or business visa and accomplish the exact same thing?

      You are a victim of the far right fear of anything that involves change or anything new/different. Fear is an extremely powerful emotion. It causes people to do things that they would normally not do. (The left has fears as well, but they don’t seem to escape into the population and into politics nearly as often as do right-wing fears.)

      JJ, remember, our country has had periodic “scares” throughout its history. From the Salem witch scare to the interment of the Japanese, to Joe McCarthy’s Red scare, to the AIDS epidemic among homosexuals and, most recently, the Ebola scare, we have over-reacted to groups that, at the time, seemed like imminent dangers but, in the end, turned out to be of only a slight concern. I maintain that the threat of Syrian refugees and terrorism is as great to the US as was the threat of Ebola.

      Americans have always been afraid of the immigrant (an irony if there ever was one). Americans wanted to restrict the immigration of the Irish, the Japanese, Poles, Chinese (actually passed a law prohibiting them) and, as recently as WWII, Jews. We’ve (relatively) recently tried to restrict Cubans, Cambodians and Vietnamese. Despite these fears, they have come and they have made this country even greater.

      JJ you might ask why should the United States of America admit Syrians, and other Middle Easterners? The answer is simple: Because that is what we do!

      • John Johnson

        You are right in one respect. My attitudes have changed…but not because I have gone TP. It’s not the 10,000 Syrian refugees per se. It is simply the fact that I believe the terrorists and what they tell us their ultimate goal is. I believe that if push comes to shove, the harmless refugees will become part of the Muslim contingency. The ones around us now are way too quiet for me. I would like to see them taking to the streets to protest things like the Paris massacre.; instead, we get a telling silence. Behind closed doors, if like at the soccer game in Turkey, we get “Allah Akbar” during a moment of silence at a soccer match…so it’s a religious thing with me. Furthermore, I don’t like the spending one dollar on refugees before our vets and their families are tended to. Perpetual benefits for refugees while vets are hungry, homeless, unemployed, mentally ill or waiting years for med care is not acceptable to me. Pretty simple really. I analyzed, weighed what I learned and reached a conclusion.

        • Indiana Pearl

          The GOP congress critters rejected funding for vets just like week.

          • John Johnson

            Any reason given why? Like a list of add-on’s a mile long? Both sides stink. They are both diseased.

          • Indiana Pearl

            I agree. Let’s place blame where it belongs – (1) Baggers who want to cut all spending except for defense and the %, and (2) weak Dems who won’t fight back.

          • John Johnson

            We see things a bit differently, as you know.

          • Indiana Pearl

            I know. I’m the Ultimate Rationalist.

        • BCinBCS

          JJ you claim that American Muslims sit by silently while ME Muslims kill and terrorize. If you simply spent more time watching and reading news sources that were not interested in ginning controversy in order to improve their advertising revenue you would know that MANY American mosques and Muslims have demonstrated and spoken out against the terrorists. As a matter of fact, all of the mosques in Houston organized a protest against terrorism a couple of days after the Paris incident.

          If, during a moment of silence at an American football game, someone had shouted out “Praise Jesus” would you be as upset as you are about someone shouting “God is great” in Arabic?

          Stating that the US should suspend all immigration because of problems with veterans is simply irresponsible. In the 2014 Federal budget (the latest figures that I could find), the US spent $63.5 billion on veterans affairs. That is the fourth largest expenditure in the entire budget. Just how much more do you propose to spend…and how would you pay for it? And, your special needs child gets his/her care from the Department of Health & Human Services which spent the second most in the 2014 budget at $78.3 billion. (The Dept. of Defense has the largest budget at $526.6 billion.)

          Fear can be a terrible emotion. Knowledge can counteract fear but it takes an effort to gain it. It’s a shame that the future will look back on these times as we do the refusal of the WWII Jews, the Japanese internment and the Red scare and remark at how foolish WE were.

          • John Johnson

            A few people carrying placards? Is that what you are referring to? They fill the streets at the drop of a hat in their home countries. We get twenty people and one or two talking heads that are less than emphatically condemning. They are either fearful or followers or ambivalent, but few are emphatic. Certainly not enough to suit me. Therefore, I am thinking that the emphatic fanatics rule the roost and are to be believed and taken seriously, and that if we don’t want a Paris like situation here, we quit allowing Muslims into our country and more closely monitor the ones who are. And knock of the goofy analogies…if “Praise Jesus” were the first words spoken and the last ones heard before airplanes were flown into buildings, gunmen opened up on innocent civilians, and hotels and trains were blown to bits, like Pavlov’s dog, our mind would associate those words with hate, carnage, loss, fear and sadness, regardless of the crowds reason for screaming it.

          • BCinBCS

            “A few people carrying placards”?

            Damn, JJ what do you want; should they burn some buildings, overturn some cars, shoot some people to convince you that they truly believed what they were protesting? Once you were informed that they did protest. you went from condemning them for not demonstrating to condemning them for not demonstrating up to your standards.

            “And knock of [sic] the goofy analogies”?

            When did you become the authority on what words and phrases can be used and which ones are irrevocably tied to certain deeds? We have to check with you to determine what words and phrases we can use because someone somewhere has used them in an evil connotation? If every word or phrase that was associated with hate speech was not allowed to be used except to continue that hate, there wouldn’t be a single word left with which to communicate. Maybe if you were your own man and less “like Pavlov’s dog” you could see that what you believe is irrational.

            It has been pointed out REPEATEDLY that what you believe has been believed before and shown to be wrong. That what you believe are the same beliefs that cause great embarrassment to this country for what was done in the past. Please learn from history. Please maintain the ideals upon which this country was founded.

          • John Johnson

            I don’t want to insult you or make you mad. You’re argument about repeating past mistakes does not hold water. There has never been an enemy like the Islamic terrorists. Their is nothing rational about their methods; no rules; no negotiating; no middle ground. They are not looking for land, water, food, or fuel. They just want us dead and the world ruled by them, their Koran and Sharia Law. It will not end; it will expand. If we don’t want to end up like France, we need to take harsh, definitive measures now. That’s my take. I am adamate about it.

          • BCinBCS

            I’m reminded of the line in the Bob Dylan song that states “Ain’t no use arguing with a crazy man”.

          • John Johnson

            Define crazy? In your mind it would appear to mean anyone who disagrees with you. On this issue, you appear to be solidly in the minority. Run for cover while lots of crazy people try and protect you.

          • WUSRPH

            We have always been very generous to our veterans…for example, in the 1880s Civil War Pensions represented 40% of the entire budget…..This does not mean that we cannot do better……but you will find no other nation in the world that has provided as many services and programs for its veterans ranging from the original land grants after the Revolutionary War to the various GI-bills since WW II. He is just looking for an excuse not to spend on other programs.

          • BCinBCS

            Yea, I think that “phobia” is the only way to describe it since logic and reason don’t work.

          • BCinBCS

            Yea, I think that “phobia” is the only way to describe it since logic and reason don’t work.

        • Jed

          do you take the streets after a christian massacres a school full of children? do you publicly disavow their actions as unrepresentative of christianity?

          no.

          why not?

          is it because you condone the actions? or is it because it is self-evident that you don’t, at least to anyone with two brain cells and the capacity for empathy higher than that of a bull shark.

          your move, bull shark.

          • John Johnson

            Hey, Bozo….I missed something. When was the last massacre carried out by an enraged Christian yelling “This is for you, Jesus!”?

          • Jed

            wow, you made it a whole 7 minutes.

          • John Johnson

            Hey, Jed, I also want to add that I had a family member like you who was full of anger and hate. I would allow him to unload on me knowing he couldn’t help himself, that I was not the root of his anger, and that he needed to vent. You are welcome to unload on me anytime you feel a need. I’m here for you. I’m praying for you.

          • Jed

            you are the root of my anger.

          • John Johnson

            That works for me. Glad to help out.

          • Jed

            if i believed in h*ll, i would see you in it. unfortunately, i think we are already there.

          • John Johnson

            Oh, I don’t believe that. All is good in my world. I’m a fortunate man.

          • Indiana Pearl

            How about the guy who killed all the black folks at bible study in Charleston?

          • John Johnson

            How about him? Church goer? Nope. The only church he visited was the black church. He not only hated blacks, he hated black Christians. Next try.

    • Indiana Pearl

      I am a REAL granny and I have two different red coats with hoods .

  • 47 dems crossing the aisle to vote with the majority. That should send a signal to the dem party they are going in the wrong direction.

  • jammerjim

    Erica, virtually no one in charge has ever denied a religious connection. They have, quite properly, tried to differentiate between the extremist and the ordinary muslim. For all his faults, W Bush went out of his way to do so.

    Further, its unfortunate you linked and used the language of that Brietbart report. The Syrians “apprehended” on the border actually turned themselves in:

    “The Department of Homeland Security said Thursday that two families —
    two men, two women and four children — presented themselves Tuesday in
    Laredo and are being held by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/8-syrian-refugees-turn-themselves-in-at-united-states-texas-mexico-border/

    • Erica Grieder

      1) John Kerry, Secretary of State, in Paris on Tuesday, talking about last weekend’s attacks and the Charlie Hebdo murders: “It has nothing to do with Islam.”

      2) Why don’t you read the text you’re reacting to before criticizing me for using language that a cursory glance will confirm I didn’t use?

      • jammerjim

        1. Kerry was clearly making a distinction between Islam and extremism.

        2. You’re a smart person and I think this sort of hair splitting is beneath you. “taken into custody” may be true but it is also also misleading, and that is furthered by using the Breitbart report as your support, as it is quite breathless and omits the part where they turned themselves in — which seems to me sort of important.

        • Jed
  • Rules of Blazon

    Illustrative of why the Republican party bears singular and institutional culpability here:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/steve-russell-vote-switch-refugee-bill

  • WUSRPH

    Apparently you saw where Trump says he could see a need for national register of all Muslims……

    “First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak
    out—Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for
    me.”
    —Martin Niemöller

    “Cowardice has never been an excuse or even an extenuating circumstance.”
    —French Prosecutor at the trial of the German “big wigs” by International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg.

    “Our lives are finished from the day we keep silent about those things that are important”
    — Martin Luther King.
    >
    Qui tacet consentire: He who is silent gives consent

    • Indiana Pearl

      Pretty soon the GOP will get outnthe tattoo equipment.

  • Indiana Pearl

    Let’s not get hysterical. The Syrians are not too sinister – two couples with children turned themselves in to authorities in Laredo.

    • WUSRPH

      All the better to lull you to sleep……

      • Indiana Pearl

        I’m not the least bit afraid of Syrians or Muslims in general. There are many crazy white Christians who ARE a threat!

        We are remarkably safe in the U.S. despite what the Fear Factor folks tell the sheeple.

  • WUSRPH

    Saw where the little Canadian wanted to exclude Christian Syrians from the ban on refugees from Syria…..but the US House would not go along. Seems some of them realize that if a ISIS terrorist can hide among the refugees by claiming to be a simple Syrian….he could also claim to be a “Christian Syrian”…..It probably wouldn’t help to give them a Catechism Test since a whole lot of self-proclaimed Christians I know could not pass one….So JJ better add Christians to his list of refugees that should be shipped off to some tents in the Arabian desert.

  • Jay Trainor

    Good Catholics, Greg Abbott included, ought to recall what Pope Francis said on the subject of refugees when addressing Congress:

    We need to avoid a common temptation nowadays: to discard whatever proves troublesome. Let us remember the Golden Rule: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” (Mt 7:12).

    This Rule points us in a clear direction. Let us treat others with the same passion and compassion with which we want to be treated. Let us seek for others the same possibilities which we seek for ourselves. Let us help others to grow, as we would like to be helped ourselves. In a word, if we want security, let us give security; if we want life, let us give life; if we want opportunities, let us provide opportunities. The yardstick we use for others will be the yardstick which time will use for us. The Golden Rule also reminds us of our responsibility to protect and defend human life at every stage of its development.

    • Jed

      haven’t you heard? the pope isn’t a christian.

  • Nothin’ to see nothin’ to worry about, just put your fingers in your ears and hum along to Mr Rogers as you rock back and forth slowly…..

    “As the hunt for jihadists widens after last week’s Paris attacks, authorities in Greece warn it was virtually impossible to pick out dangerous extremists among arriving migrants, without prior intelligence.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/nearly-impossible-jihadists-among-migrants-greeks-warn-084048253.html

    “Belgium’s capital entered a security lockdown Saturday as the government warned of a threat of a repeat of Paris-style attacks, with subways in Brussels closed and heavily armed police and soldiers deployed. At least one suspect from the deadly Paris attacks is at large, and was last seen crossing into Belgium.”

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20151121/eu–paris_attacks-e07814f05a.html

    There is nothing to worry about say dems, “the terrorists are on our side”…….

    • Indiana Pearl

      Mr. Rogers is dead.

  • Indiana Pearl

    Many of these people put their lives on the line for us. Now we stab them in the heart:

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/our-betrayal-of-syrian-and-iraqi-refugees

  • If the exploding refugee crisis caught your attention then this probably didn’t.

    “UnitedHealth Group, the nation’s largest health insurer, is suddenly having second thoughts about Obamacare after it reported massive losses from the law’s new insurance marketplaces.”
    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/unitedhealth-group-obamacare-216057#ixzz3s8OcTcEZ

    yep as the wheels come off Prez Obama’s crown jewel obamacare the left attacks Americans who say “lets slow down and look at who is entering our country.”
    Never let a good crisis go to waste,” Rahm Emanuel.

    • Indiana Pearl

      “One rose does not a summer make.”

      Get a grip.

      • Indiana Pearl

        Single payer is coming to a neighborhood near you . . .

        As a Medicare recipient, you know that Medicare works well.

  • Indiana Pearl

    Our thirst for cheap oil helps “fuel” ISIS. The Saudis support Wahabism, the reactionary Muslim sect that helps sustain ISIS. They provide money and cover. The Wahabists protect the House of Saud (BFF with the Bushes). The House of Saud keeps cheap oil flowing for American SUVs.

    “And so it goes . . .”

    —- Kurt Vonnegut

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/21/opinion/saudi-arabia-an-isis-that-has-made-it.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=Moth-Hidden&moduleDetail=inside-nyt-region-9&module=inside-nyt-region®ion=inside-nyt-region&WT.nav=inside-nyt-region

  • Rules of Blazon
  • The ignorant think ISIS exists because of oil…..

    “Today, the U.S. actually gets most of its imported oil from Canada and Latin America.”

    http://www.npr.org/2012/04/11/150444802/where-does-america-get-oil-you-may-be-surprised

    Why do you think President Obama killed the Keystone Pipeline?

    ““The pipeline would not make a meaningful long-term contribution to our economy,” Obama told a press conference. He said it would not reduce gasoline prices, and shipping “dirtier” crude from Canada would not increase US energy security.”

    http://nypost.com/2015/11/06/obama-is-killing-the-keystone-pipeline/

    Dems do love them some Saudi/ISIS oil.

    • Indiana Pearl

      So do Repugs!

    • Indiana Pearl

      Here’s an Atlantic piece from 2002 that goes well Graeme Wood’s article that helps describe the larger picture in the middle east. Lewis advised the GWB administration in the run-up to the disasterous Iraq war. Neocons are slow learners.

      http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2002/01/what-went-wrong/302387/

    • Indiana Pearl

      Saudi oil revenues support Wahabism, thus Salfism and ISIS. Reading comprehension escapes you.

      Tell us about your combat experience . . .

  • This will be lost on some here…..

    • Indiana Pearl

      “Tell us what you did in the war, Daddy!”

      • Obama…didn’t serve
        Clinton….didn’t serve
        Grandma..didn’t serve.
        JBB….served. Hooah!

        • Indiana Pearl

          Not in combat . . . Cleaning your rifle stateside doesn’t count.

          • Democrats say troops killed at Ft Hood weren’t in combat because it was a workplace violence thingy….

          • WUSRPH

            I guess the military judged your skills correctly. That is why you probably spent your time handing out hats in a warehouse in New Jersey.

          • Why do you anti-American 47% ers hate vets so much?

          • WUSRPH

            Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;
            nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.
            —Charles de Gaulle

            Guess that makes you a nationalist.

          • No I’m a 7%er a vet and you’re a 47%er

          • Indiana Pearl

            Booksie is heavily supported by the taxpayers’ dollars.

          • Indiana Pearl

            My grandfather enlisted at age 17, spent WWI in a trench in France, went over the top in the Argonne Forest, sustained an injury that plagued him until he died. He never bragged that he was a hero.

            That’s what REAL veterans do.

          • grandma in the gin again

          • Indiana Pearl

            Your standard retort when you are backed into a corner . . . Granny wins again!

          • WUSRPH

            Funny they did not say that when a Democratic Administration and a Democratic Congress passed the WWII GI-Bill that virtually changed America with the benefits and programs it provided for our Vets. But then it was a Republican President who sent Gen. McArthur to us tanks and gas to drive a group of veterans out of Washington, D.C.

          • Indiana Pearl

            No. Booksie SAYS Democrats said that. Booksie lives on Fantasy Island.

          • John Johnson

            I know lots of guys who would be upset to hear you make your “you ain’t nothing if you didn’t serve in a war zone” crap. They don’t write their own orders. In your effort to insult and be hateful to one individual, you have insulted thousands. Kindly knock it off. It grows old. In fact, why don’t you two give it up and give everyone a break? I thought we all agreed to a bit more civility a month or so back.

        • Indiana Pearl

          Graham has served, but not in combat.
          Trump went to military school, felt “it like it was being in the military.”
          Everyone else had “other priorities.”

  • WUSRPH

    Wonder why we have not heard from the Troll on this one yet since he so hates his State Representative?

    http://www.texastribune.org/2015/11/21/report-state-rep-reynolds-guilty-ambulance-chasing/

    I guess he’s too busy chasing the Muslims out of Ft. Bend County.

    • Indiana Pearl

      He needs the exercise.

    • Just another dem conviction…sigh

  • Dems are delusional, in denial and on the run…. What depths will they sink to in 2016…..oh its gonna be bad.

  • Refugees? We know how FDR treated the 937 Jews on the Oncean Liner St Louis, he sent them to their death.

    But lets look at how the Clinton admin treated refugees…..lest we forget.

  • Finally something we can all agree on…..Obama is weak and embarrassing

    “But what I’m not interested in doing is posing or pursuing some notion of American leadership or America winning”

    Whats that you say you have no interest in winning?

    “This could have been a Churchillian moment for the U.S. president, rallying the free world at a time of great crisis. But as we know from Obama’s extensive track record of inaction and foreign policy disasters, he is no Winston Churchill.”

    http://dailysignal.com/2015/11/20/on-isis-barack-obama-refuses-to-lead/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=thffacebook

    I agree he certainly is no Churchill….

    • Indiana Pearl

      Who’s “we”?

  • Indiana Pearl
    • WUSRPH

      The Saudis,are naturally interested in anyone claiming to be the Caliph. They have first claim in their role as “guardians” of the Holy Sites and the Sharif of Mecca. As you have noted before they are supported by (and built their rule) on the Wahhabi Sect which has always been one of the strictest interpreters of the faith. This is nothing new…..Things are a little better, however, than they were when Queen Elizabeth made an official visit some years ago and had to be declared an “honorary male for the day” in order to meet with King Saud.

      • Indiana Pearl

        The males of the royal family have a fondness for single malt Scotch, I have read.

  • Syrian refugees np….but Jews not so much

    “A reservation agent named Angelline declined to honor Mr. Bergwerk’s reservation, saying that it was company policy not to recognize Israeli documents. Stunned, Mr. Bergwerk explained that he had rented from Avis many times, including a car from that very same office on Thursday, November 19 – only two days earlier.”

    http://observer.com/2015/11/shocker-avis-car-rental-bars-israeli-executive-from-renting/

    The old liberal double standard….

    • Indiana Pearl

      Booksie says Avis is “librul.” Is Southwest Airlines bigoted?

      http://prorevnews.blogspot.com/2015/11/southwest-arlines-bars-americans-from.html

      • nope they were simply doing what the admin’s Homeland Security said to do

        “If You See Something, Say Something™”
        It takes a community to protect a community. Informed, alert communities play a critical role in keeping our nation safe.

        http://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something

        They even have it trademarked?……

        • Indiana Pearl

          When Jews are profiled, it’s bad. When Muslims are profiled, it’s just fine. Is that your policy?

          • He wasn’t profiled he was denied service because he was a Jew. That isn’t profiling that is discrimination.

            “Reservation agent named Angelline declined to honor Mr. Bergwerk’s reservation, saying that it was company policy not to recognize Israeli documents. Stunned, Mr. Bergwerk explained that he had rented from Avis many times, including a car from that very same office on Thursday, November 19—only two days earlier.”

            He had rented from that location 2 days earlier. You’re unable to tell the difference between profiling and discrimination?.

  • WUSRPH

    Democrat Edwards WINS BIG in Louisiana governor’s race. Another Republican who could not keep his pants zipped up.

    • Is Edwards out of prison, or will serve from behind bars like my rep?

      • WUSRPH

        As usual, you shot your mouth off without any regard for the facts. It is a not Edward Edwards…….Although he did run again a couple of years ago. But then truth or anything like it has never been something you worry about.

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/john-edwards-claiming-win-over-david-vitter-in-louisiana-governors-race/2015/11/21/a583fc06-9070-11e5-ae1f-af46b7df8483_story.html

        ­Edwards repeatedly contrasted his record as a West Point graduate and former officer with the 82nd Airborne Division to Vitter’s involvement in a 2007 Washington prostitution scandal.

        • Indiana Pearl

          Bingo! I suspect Booksie just reads headlines.

        • Indiana Pearl

          “Patriots vs. Prostitutes” . . .

        • its Edwin Edwards, geez you are gullible

      • WUSRPH

        What must kill you is that your rep. was convicted only of misdemeanors and that means he can continue to serve as it requires a felony to bar him from office.

        • Indiana Pearl

          Kinda like Ken Paxton . . .

  • WUSRPH

    Here we go again…..Trump says he could support “watch lists” for all American Muslims and Carson says he would support monitoring of “un-American” groups…….And people said they thought Cruz looked and sounded like Joe McCarthy. I bet the Troll has a l list of names he would submit, including all Democrats…..

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak
    out—Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for
    me.”
    —Martin Niemöller

    • Indiana Pearl

      Trump’s toupee is made from the hair of an endangered gorilla species. Trump has been fined, but has yet to pay the fine.

      An allegory?

  • It was good to see the NFL saluting our vets during Sunday’s games. At least some of us appreciate our veterans and their service.

    • John Johnson

      According to Unwound, those who serve and stand diligently between us and those who threaten us, and our way of life, are crapping in their pants right now. He does not know the difference in the words “fear” and “diligence”. He obviously has Pearl as his tutor.

      • Unfortunately I suspect unwound’s only service is on his keyboard.

      • Indiana Pearl

        As I recall you did not serve. ROTC doesn’t count.

        • John Johnson

          No ROTC. Bootcamp at Great Lakes, training time onboard a ship, but did not have six months of active duty. Navy had a cutback in late ’70 or early ’71 and many of us were processed out of the reserves and put under jurisdiction of the draft board and our lottery number. Your point being?

          • Indiana Pearl

            That unless you’ve served in a war zone, bragging about being a “veteran” is a hollow accomplishment. GWB is a “veteran.” No one seems to know where he was during his tour of duty. A number of “fortunate sons” like him served six months stateside, then a long commitment to the Reserves. Did GWB go to summer camp for three weeks each summer like my friends did?

            Remember, JJ, that the Viet Nam war shaped my generation. I still get together with my Catholic school grade school buddies every year. Some men I know who were not smart enough or fortunate enough to go to college were drafted and saw serious combat. Those who were college grads and enlisted were officers and served in VN, but not in combat. One guy I went to school with has a beautiful tenor voice. He spent 33 years in the Army chorus singing “The Star Spangled Banner” at the White House. Never left the D.C. area . . .

            I rest my case.

          • John Johnson

            Pearl, who are you preaching to? Who bragged here about being a vet who is not? My high school classmate won the Medal of Honor posthumously. Others came back from Nam maimed. The stories they told of being ordered to take a position at great cost only to walk away from it a few weeks later were common. The same in Afghanistan. Stupid stuff.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Your boy, Booksie, brags about it. Pay attention.

          • She’s angry because I called her out for denigrating those who did serve.

          • Indiana Pearl

            I called YOU out for bragging about your service when you saw no combat. Stateside, am I right?

          • No, but you’re never right and I refuse to waste my time correcting a fool.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Checking with the Ft. Bend folks . . .

          • Depends with who you’re checking with, if its the ones who are as crazy as loon as you are why check, just make it up on the fly as you usually do.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Service records are public information.

          • I think they are for legal purposes not smearing a vet on a blog because you hate them. I advise you to tread carefully.

          • Indiana Pearl

            Don’t threaten me.

            Just looking for honesty. You can dish it out, but you sure can’t take it.

          • This is why I usually don’t answer you, it usually end up with you threatening me. You have a problem now go away.

          • I believe if she “thinks” you were in the ROTC, then it happened in her mind…..

          • Indiana Pearl

            You “think” I’m a nurse.

          • I have no idea “what you are” and care even less.

    • Indiana Pearl

      I appreciate veterans and their service, not blowhards who brag about it to prove that they’re tough.

      My grandfather was a true “veteran.”

      “Tell me what you did in the war, Daddy.”

      Poser.

  • John Johnson

    As an aside to this thread, and my continuing effort to educate the masses with regards to Obama’s total failure as President, here’s link linking our WPE to a provision shoved into the Bipartisan Budget Act that repeals to part of federal law which prevented robocalls to our cellphones in an effort to allow the Feds to collect back taxes, student loans, a mortgage backed by the feds,or any kind of fed related loan. Know how much they expect this to garner? A measly $12M a year. Stupid. Obama is the worst president ever.

    Dave Lieber
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    Published: 21 November 2015 10:06 PM
    Updated: 22 November 2015 11:46 PM
    Robocalls to your cellphone. Don’t you hate them? With certain exceptions, these pre-recorded calls and spam texts are illegal, but you wouldn’t know it by looking at a list of your recent calls. Ugh.

    For most of us, they come several times a day and night. They are scammers who wantonly violate the failed experiment known as Do Not Call lists, both state and national. It’s an epidemic.

    But guess what?

    Starting next year, you may get a lot more.

    Congress sneaked a little provision into the recent “Bipartisan Budget Act” passed by both houses and signed by President Barack Obama.

    The add-on repeals the part of federal law that prevented robocalls to cellphones. It will allow calls to go to anyone who owes money to the federal government or has a loan backed by the government.

    Who is that?

    Anyone who owes back taxes, a student loan, a mortgage backed by the feds or any other kind of federal-related loan.

    Just as the robocalling infestation of our cellphones has gotten worse than ever, the feds are giving the green light for millions more calls. It’s a cruel, nasty trick played on Americans.

    If you didn’t hear about this, that’s the point. That’s why they insert unpopular items into the federal budget at the last moment.

    This comes at a terrible time for the Federal Communications Commission, which this year launched a crusade to stop the illegal robocalling epidemic. Under the new rules, the FCC is assigned the chore of writing regulations that permit the expected onslaught of calls. Awkward.

    Each week, the FCC releases a list of suspected robocallers’ numbers to developers of call-blocking software, who create their own lists of bad guys. The FCC this year gave phone companies permission to install stricter call-blocking services. But companies have hesitated.

    Who’s to blame for this repeal of the robocalling ban?

    Start with President Obama, who wanted this for several years as a way to increase revenue. The president’s Office of Management and Budget worked to insert the language into the budget bill in the final days.

    The feds estimate that robocalls will bring in $12 million a year in debt payments. That’s a speck in the giant federal budget. Is that worth all those phone calls?

    Blame Congress for using budget tricks to insert last-minute unpopular provisions with no time for public feedback.

    New House Speaker Paul Ryan recently criticized the budget writing under his predecessor, Speaker John Boehner.

    “I think this process stinks,” Ryan said. “This is not how we do the people’s business, and under new management we are not going to do the people’s business this way.”

    Blame congressional Democrats who, trying to repeal the change, now offer a bill with a cute name — HANGUP, for “Help Americans Never Get Unwanted Phone calls.” But the Dems lack the juice to move it along.

    Blame the debt-collection industry, which pushed for the change for obvious reasons. They’ve tried to get this done for years. Actually, who can blame them? This is their big victory.

    And blame consumer rights groups that lobby Congress but were caught off guard by this rare alliance between the president and Republican congressional leaders.

    Consumer groups argue that many of these unwanted calls go to the wrong people. That makes this a level of harassment actually sanctioned by the federal government.

    Imagine if you co-signed your child’s college loan and a payment was missed. The bombardment of calls would begin. Same goes for a late mortgage payment or a missed IRS tax payment.

    What happens to the FCC’s anti-robocalling crusade? Does it go on in spite of this? The FCC has nine months to decide how this change will work.

    Most robocalls to cellphones are illegal and have been since 1991. Now, for the first time, some are about to become legal. This is good for the callers. Bad for you and me.

    Staff writer Marina Trahan Martinez contributed to this report.

    Check out The Watchdog at 11:20 a.m. Mondays on NBC5, talking about matters important to you.

    Twitter: @DaveLieber

    HOW TO HELP: WRITE TO YOUR LAWMAKER

    Want to stop the repeal of the no-robocalls-to-cellphones rule?

    Write to your U.S. Senate and House members. Say you support the HANGUP bill.

    Consumers Union suggests language such as this: “I already get robocalls to my cellphone, even though it is currently illegal under most circumstances. Once you open the door to legal robocalls, it will just be nonstop.

    Dave Lieber – Dallas Morning News
    “This may be the one thing every American can agree on: You should not have allowed this to happen, so now you have to fix it.”

    • Indiana Pearl

      Robocalls? That’s it?

      • Indiana Pearl

        Who controls the House and Senate? Your boys . . .

        • WUSRPH

          For a man who complains so often that his WPE can accomplish nothing, he certainly gives him a lot of power on occasions like this. After all, he forced the GOP to do it….

  • Indiana Pearl
  • nickthap

    Erica, you do realize that Breitbart “exclusive” is actually at least two months old, don’t you? Man, oh man. I am really disappointed.

    http://chicago.suntimes.com/nationworld/7/71/979267/syrian-walaa-alrehawi-arrested-at-texas-border-charged-with-misusing-u-s-passport

    Note the date in the by-line.

  • Jay Trainor

    Every time the governor distorts or lies, he weakens his bigoted policy of going after Syrian refugees. Instead, he should heed the advice of the Texas Catholic Bishop’s Conference and Pope Francis. here’s what Francis had to say to Congress in October:

    Our world is facing a refugee crisis of a magnitude not seen since the Second World War. This presents us with great challenges and many hard decisions. On this continent, too, thousands of persons are led to travel north in search of a better life for themselves and for their loved ones, in search of greater opportunities. Is this not what we want for our own children? We must not be taken aback by their numbers, but rather view them as persons, seeing their faces and listening to their stories, trying to respond as best we can to their situation. To respond in a way which is always humane, just and fraternal. We need to avoid a common temptation nowadays: to discard whatever proves troublesome. Let us remember the Golden Rule: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” (Mt 7:12).

    This Rule points us in a clear direction. Let us treat others with the same passion and compassion with which we want to be treated. Let us seek for others the same possibilities which we seek for ourselves. Let us help others to grow, as we would like to be helped ourselves. In a word, if we want security, let us give security; if we want life, let us give life; if we want opportunities, let us provide opportunities. The yardstick we use for others will be the yardstick which time will use for us. The Golden Rule also reminds us of our responsibility to protect and defend human life at every stage of its development.

    We shouldn’t forget that Jesus, Mary and Joseph were refugees themselves.

  • WUSRPH

    Now Trump is claiming that Arab-Americans in New Jersey were “cheering” as the Towers came down on 9-11….Problem is no one else remembers it…and there is no media reports from the time on it….He also overlooks that, at the time the towers were coming down, virtually no one knew who was responsible. The man is clearly trying to build support for his police state ideas about how to handle illegal aliens and Muslims. We haven’t seen his like since the attacks on German Americans in 1917-18 (when a group of Texas Germans in Seguin were arrested for being disloyal and tried for treason …but acquitted) or the way the Japanese were treated in 1941-1942. There comes a point where political demagoguery becomes “crying fire in a crowed theater.”

    It has happened before….but we must battle to insure NEVER AGAIN.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-German_sentiment#United_States

    • Indiana Pearl

      Even his fellow GOPer, Chris Christie, denies Trump’s claim.

  • My rep a democrat……

    “A Montgomery County jury on Monday sentenced state Rep. Ron Reynolds to the maximum penalty of a year in jail and a fine of several thousand dollars following his conviction last week of misdemeanor barratry.”

    http://www.chron.com/neighborhood/woodlands/news/article/Jury-weighs-punishment-for-Rep-Reynolds-after-6652421.php?cmpid=fb-desktop

  • Indiana Pearl

    “Dallas Mayor Says He’s More Frightened of White Males than Refugees”

    http://www.bipartisanreport.com/2015/11/23/dallas-mayor-says-hes-fearful-armed-white-men-syrian-refugees/

    • John Johnson

      He’s a pandering Dem. Most big cities are now loaded with Dem’s. Fort Worth isn’t. I like Fort Worth.

      • Indiana Pearl

        Lotsa white people?

  • Ben Carson is intelligent and he asks dems do you know what the I in ISIS stands for….

    • Indiana Pearl

      He should have stuck with surgery.

      • I’m serious go away

        • Indiana Pearl

          I made an offer of a truce to you about a year ago. You lasted about 48 hours before you started again with the “hahahas” and the other tripe you post.

          Have a happy Thanksgiving, Booksie! Hope I never hear from you again.

          • I’m gonna miss you…could you take out the the trash as you leave?

          • Indiana Pearl

            Undisciplined fatty . . .

            Can you stop?

  • This is rich….just look at what you dems have gone and done.

    “But suddenly it seems that Cruz is running what even Dan Pfeiffer, a former top aide to President Obama, concedes is “the best campaign on the other side.” He has raised more money than any Republican other than Jeb Bush and more non-PAC money than any other Republican, period; he also has more cash on hand than any of his GOP rivals. He was the first candidate to recruit chairmen in all 171 counties in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada. He is only candidate who for months has been consistently calling and sending surrogates to all five U.S. territories — Puerto Rico, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, American Samoa, Guam and the Virgin Islands — in order to secure extra delegates who could prove decisive down the road. (More on that later.) He is doing more than any other Republican to prepare for the so-called “SEC primary,” a new Southern voting blitz set to take place on March 1; he has already enlisted more than 100 countywide campaign directors and 1,500 volunteers in Georgia alone. And from the start he has conspicuously refrained from criticizing frontrunner Donald Trump, choosing instead to position himself as Trump’s heir apparent, should the bombastic real estate mogul falter or fade, which Cruz has publicly predicted will happen.”

    https://www.yahoo.com/politics/ted-cruz-has-been-plotting-1305876417003574.html

    Thank you dems…..

    • Jed

      cruz + fiorina or carson is a democratic dream ticket.

      we could elect martin o’malley (or kermit the frog) against that trio of jokers.

      bring it on.

      • Yes your trio of jokers Hillary/Bernie/O’Malley against ours…..bring it on.

  • Some dems say that if you “served stateside” you aren’t a real vet.

    “FORT HOOD — An Army Black Hawk helicopter with four crew members on board crashed Monday evening, killing the four soldiers, officials said in a statement early this morning.”

    http://kdhnews.com/military/killed-in-fort-hood-helicopter-crash/article_4f09eb00-92a6-11e5-adc3-4f436c9d2cf2.html

    As a 7%er I value all of our veteran’s service.

  • Indiana Pearl

    This is why Americans are in a state of mass hysteria – some preachers have forgotten the message of Jesus:

    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/irving/headlines/20151121-pastor-says-islam-inspired-by-satan.ece

  • WUSRPH

    Abbott is off to Cuba to “trade with commies”. Wonder if he got permission from Cruz who has repeatedly condemning any improvement of relations with those Cuban terrorists and dictators. Apparently when there is money to be made, the fact that they are bad guys is not important..

    • Indiana Pearl

      Ivana says Trump used to keep a book of Hitler’s speeches on his bedside table when she was married to The Donald. What a surprise!

  • WUSRPH

    Another take on Cruz “the flavor of the week” by the National Review…..They have a more realistic view of his changes…..Which they say are not likely.

    “Cruz’s rise is almost entirely due to his finally getting strong levels of support among the most angry and the most conservative elements of the party. If they were the party, it would be looking pretty good for Ted. But they are not, and therein lies Cruz’s challenge. Call it the Cruz Ted bears.”

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/427613/ted-cruz-republican-primary-polls

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/427613/ted-cruz-republican-primary-polls